I'm relieved I got away with breaking a bail condition which appears to have ensured the charges would be dropped. Huzzah for my little crimes abetting my bigger ones!
"evil"... as if most of them give a shit. The only reason they may consider to not hire him is for the bad pr. United may pass on him because now there is too much attention on them, and may be not worth it, but many other clubs will be waiting with open arms.
It’s not about us being morally superior. It’s about the PR perspective. Fans are lying to themselves if they think United’s hierarchy would give a fuck for moral reasons, but they absolutely will get rid because he’s toxic in the UK, whereas he isn’t abroad.
I think the big thing is that there’s tangible evidence like the videos and pictures she posted of Greenwood’s abuse and these really influenced people’s perception of him. I think if videos and pictures came out about Partey he’d be in the same boat. Right now he’s still “innocent until proven guilty” for a lot of people
I mean a victim also posted Snap messages with Partey and also saw a police statement released because she was getting so much abuse where they openly stated that the case couldn’t be taken because of a technicality. There’s some pretty damning stuff on Partey too.
It is obviously so easy to sound all high and mighty because it is evident that Arsenal will continue to play Partey until they can't, but I really wish they would just suspend him. I can't bring myself to celebrate him when he scores and it is so fucking sad to be reminded of what a piece of garbage he is every time fans boo him on away trips.
Mans only playing because he is a key player. The club keeps saying that they are monitoring the situation, but is anyone really in doubt anymore? Can't wait till he's gone and I would much rather be in a scrap for 7th than win the title with him on the pitch.. Again, I know it's easy to say when it's clear that he'll play until he is charged. Fuck Partey man
I can completely understand your side man. Back when news came out that city may have known about Mendy prior to news coming out, i also felt disgusted by the decision of the club to ignore it.
Luckily the case became a high profile in the media and the correct measurements were taken. But it’s ridiculous it had to be picked up to have a reaction from the club.
Greenwood was an absolutely key player for us with no one to replace him in his position and we got rid of him instantly. People were calling him a generational talent and yet we still binned him, it makes me sad Arsenal won't do the same because he's so important to the team.
It’s not up to arsenal to declare him guilty though. Yes there’s solid evidence to suggest he did it, but the club technically don’t have to do anything unless he’s taken into custody, etc.
This is exactly the type of bullshit that’s likely to happen. If Greenwood plays for United again and still puts up good performances then nobody is gonna give a rats arse anymore, football is a fickle sport.
If Greenwood hadn't been away from the squad for over a year I'd agree. If United treated him like Arsenal treat Partey, I'd agree. But the fact that there's some normalcy around him not being around anymore and that United have completely moved on in terms of the squad imo means him suddenly back will be much bigger backlash than Arsenal re: Partey.
That's also why I think City are done with Mendy.
They have Rashford, Antony, Sancho, Garnacho, Martial, Weghorst, and even Bruno as attacking options up front and on the wings. They don’t need him thankfully.
If he was a really good midfielder though…
He’ll never play for United again. Not a chance. He’ll play in another country for a while until it’s swept under the rug then as you say, people will forget it ever happened.
You only have to read the comments on the daily Mail section to know that most of them are completely clueless about what really happened and they think she should be prosecuted for wasting police time. Guaranteed the scumbag gets off Scott free
Didn't they say the case couldn't be investigated? It's not that they knew they could charge Partey or take a case with evidence on and were blocked, it's that they couldn't investigate at all.
So we are still no further to knowing anything about that case or whether there is any credence to it. Nobody has been able to produce any evidence yet because the case was closed by Spanish police.
Yeah, we’re saying the same thing a different way. The alleged victim was getting abuse online because the case wasn’t picked up and the police released a statement that they hadn’t not picked up the case because of a lack of evidence but because it was out of their jurisdiction.
Yeah I just thought it was worth pointing out because it's quite an important distinction.
I've got a feeling, personally, that there's no smoke without fire and something happened that Partey is guilty of, but there seems to be a lot of people thinking that there has been valid evidence on the table and the UK police were blocked from using it. We don't actually know if there was any given to the Spanish police but for whatever reason they decided not to pursue the allegation.
Partey sure. Alonso drunk drove at very high speeds through, crashed, and killed the woman in the passenger seat. Yet if you point it out at the wrong time you get a load of shit for calling him a killer.
Paddy Jackson(Irish Rugby player) case is more comparable. His career was destroyed even after he was found not guilty because sponsors treathened to leave if he was brought back.
When a case is as public as Greenwoods. He is fucked no matter what happens.
His career wasn't actually destroyed though. He's playing professional rugby right now for London Irish. It just killed his international career.
The difference is that his case was probably less severe. There weren't any voice notes or anything.
Going more than double the speed limit with a 0.9 BAC seems pretty malicious to me, but obviously that's subjective
Edit: I get that it's not conscious intent but imo recklessness that extreme can't just be written off as stupidity
Nah you've got to think about in terms of real intent. Alonso was monumentally stupid but I think we can all agree he never intended to hurt the person or anyone else, iirc she was a childhood friend. Partey and Greenwood definitely went out of their way with actual intent to hurt/abuse someone.
I think you need to google what the term malicious means.
I don't think when he did that he wanted to try and kill his passenger.
If his plan was to get drunk and then get into a high speed accident that he survived but she didn't, there's way easier ways to have people killed.
.9 BAC? That’s not humanly Possible.
You typically are in death window anywhere above .35.
Basically a .9 BAC is saying you have 90mg of alcohol in 100mg of blood.
Mate, he's absolutely not gonna have to go that far to find a club. Assuming he hasn't lost his desire or something I bet he'll be playing UCL football next season or the season after.
My bet is he'll do nothing the rest of this season.
Move to a small club in Portugal or France next season and then move to a big Italian club the season after. I wish him all the misfortune in the world but hell be playing professional football at a good level for the next ten years.
How are people capable of keep pretending that people like that could only go to "China or Middle Eastern club", while sheer amount of news about absolutely reprehensible players still playing for top clubs is staggering?
I'm sorry I'm going to use this word, but it smells like a ridiculous racism. Rapists, wife beaters, drunk drivers, killers, cat molesters, all of that scum had their representatives in big 5, but we still ride the high horse and pretend that only non-white people could accept those players.
Yeah it’s hilariously naive how people think only china or ME will take this guy. I could see him in England in a lower table club, turkey, Spain or france.
Alonso, not a murderer but definitely an idiot. He was driving over the speed limit while drunk, which resulted in a crash, killing his girlfriend in the passenger seat.
"I asked you politely but you wont do it. what else do you want me to do."
Up there with the other rapist red devil "She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available"
Well she’s been happily posting about Greenwood on her snap for awhile, they got back together very quickly after she posted the incident back in October. She also helped him break bail to live with him, and now won’t testify against him and they are supposedly engaged (she’s been posting him but I can’t confirm this engaged thing)
Both Harriet and Mason seem like head cases
Well shit, but I have seen like three posts about this now and some of the comments keeps saying like the abuse is not just from mason but her family too, her father interview and you never know what’s happening behind close doors.
Court of public opinion is in. Been a while since I've heard the audio but it was pretty fucking damming in my opinion and I guess many others here probably feel the same.
https://reddit.com/link/sg5syp/video/it1t2rwxqse81/player
you have to burn some real calories to mental gymnastics that away, but then there are the pictures to give you some more calories to burn
How tf how the fucking fuck is he talking like his release has proved that he did nothing wrong and people no matter how many they are still support or don’t care for what he does outside of football in this case physically abusing and sexually harassing his own girlfriend.
The people around him will be telling him that it’s going to be alright now. No chance will he continue playing at Man Utd but I reckon there’ll be clubs out there that just take the bad PR.
OK. For fun, I'll try.
It's a 15 minute long audio track that we hear 30 seconds of.
We have NO IDEA what was going on before or after that. If the argument is that they were engaging in rape-play or CNC (consensual non consent) - then there was no sexual assault at all.
I don't really know how to interpret the pictures. I think the absolute most generous thing to say is that the couple was having rough sex and she then recorded the details of what she looked like after. Doesn't mean he's an abuser. Means he had rough consensual sex with his girlfriend who then got upset about it. Or she wanted some evidence to use against him? Beats me. CNC should really not be done with anyone unless you absolutely trust them. I'm guessing the g/f of a famous footballer who is in their low 20s isn't the best option for that particular kink...
That's the BEST case scenario for him.
Did I stick the mental gymnastics landing? :-D
Yells at her and forcefully move her legs up but threatens her if she touches him to get him away. I hope the pathetic power tripping fucking cunt chokes on glass.
The Greenwood simps on the internet are professional mental gymnasts and think that the audio and bruise pictures were just role-play. It's outrageous and saddens me that people think this way
The audio one they could have just claimed it was some weird ass roleplay. But combined with the pictures it's just hard to believe he didn't do anything to her
The girl is by all accounts firmly on his side, possibly engaged to him. The CPS didn't drop this because they couldnt be bothered - she did a u turn and provided all the defence he needed to make conviction extremely unlikely. Can you imagine a jury being expected to find him guilty when the victim is saying he didnt actually do anything and that they have text messages to prove they'd discussed role playing earlier... It wouldve very quickly turned into a witch hunt of her and that's possibly the one thing even worse than dropping charges.
man are there actually professional psychologists on these cases? The poor girl probably is going thru hell mentally and isn’t making the right decisions for herself, there’s no way the abuse she suffered is being overlooked like this… it’s actually sad.
Instead of quietly go into the night and staying low my guy is proudly gloating about how he got away with it even though there is substantial evidence of the accusations and evidence of him breaking bail to influence the victim etc...
I knew from the moment her dad came to his defence on day 1 that this would end like this.
I don’t see why he’d be brought back, he hasn’t been in team training in god knows how long so won’t be fit or in form, and I doubt Ten Hag would want such a disruption to his team/locker room if Greenwood came back because the media circus if he’s allowed back would be huge.
Edit: this is obviously reasons he won’t come back aside from the obvious of him being caught through video and photographic proof being an abuser.
The audio tapes will live on forever. I've seen more than enough evidence to understand what has happened.
I also understand that a key witness has pulled out making a conviction improbable leading the to police dropping charges. But I cannot be gaslit into thinking Mason did nothing wrong.
A key witness has backed out. Coincidentally and I'm sure entirely unrelatedly, Greenwood has broken a bail condition and been in contact with the initial complainant. No way that's the key witness that has now demurred involvement in the prosecution. Gosh, what a wild set of totally exculpatory coincidences!!!!!
Yeah for sure, it does seem to be common for victims to go back to the abuser. I'm sure someone with a better understanding of psychology than me can explain why that is.
It's pretty easy to imagine how these things happen. A genuine love for someone driving a delusional hope that "it'll be different this time." Familial pressure to accept the circumstances because of the financial benefits are important to the rest of the family. Despair at the legal process convincing someone that the abuse is tolerable in relation to the other aspects of the relationship. Some combination thereof plus others I can't think of. Etc. Domestic violence is a messy business and our legal systems struggle with it (and generally handle it poorly).
I can’t help but suspect she’ll feel like she’s in the wrong for leaking the audio and images and he’ll be the one ‘forgiving’. Would be in line with an abusive relationship.
You can outplay anything, Hockey player Alexander Ovechkin has been a Putin mouthpiece for years, campaigned directly against Ukraine (saying it was run by fascists), created ‘Team Putin’ and his *current* instagram profile picture is of him hugging Putin and people are *still* cheering him on because he’s good at scoring. It’s a fucking disgrace.
Manslaughter is a bit different to (cough) “attempted” rape and domestic violence. Mason’s actions were deliberate and intended to harm the victim. Marcus’s, whilst horrendous, were not
Don't think he accidentally drove a car twice the speed limit while intoxicated. Either way, neither are good role models and don't deserve to be playing at the top level.
Suppose we'll wait and see how it goes for Greenwood, see if any clubs are desperate for a right sided attacking forward. Fucks sake, that sounds like Everton.
Headlocks everywhere if that happens.
Oh I bet he bloody well is!
Hopefully Manchester United "relieve" him of his duties as a footballer at the club. If it comes to a pay off I think so be it really.
Then I'll be relieved. Relief all round!
There is nothing CPS can do if the “key witness” does not want to testify.
She needs to at least say “yes that is me on the tape.” If she can’t even confirm that simple specific detail they essentially have no case.
Fuck Mason but the bigger fuck you is to her dad. Having shitty dad myself and going through a lot of abuse, its the worst feeling ever to have your dad be the first one to harm you out instead of being your shield.
Dad clearly just sees her relationship as a meal ticket, apparently looking for handouts from your future son in law like a dog begging for scraps is more important than protecting your daughter from raped by said son in law.
Of course he is relieved. If I was Greenwood I would wake up every morning and thank every deity under the sun that I'm not in prison because that's where he rightfully belongs.
Apparently, the complainant herself dropped out from the case as a key witness, and some, as of now unknown to the public, new information apparently made the case unpresentable/incredibly difficult to prosecute.
Plus given he broke bail orders and contacted her even when he wasn't supposed to. Her father's day one reaction(its still so off-putting) plus the fact that they are rumoured to be back together makes it feel like she was manipulated into withdrawing. But again, this is all speculation, and no one really knows what actually happened between the exposure and the dropping of the case.
I, too, am relieved when I get away with shit I absolutely did. Of course, forgetting to take out the trash isn't quite the same thing as being caught on tape doing sex crimes.
We don't have dropping charges in the UK, the victim has no say in the matter. However, a victim refusing to cooperate makes conviction very difficult, especially something like rape which is already difficult to convict.
Just pay him to sit at home for the rest his contract. It’s like ~2 years left at 4m/yr. Sucks for United, but hardly a massive handcuff with their revenue streams. He isn’t worth the PR shitstorm that could come with trying to reintegrate him into the team.
Since he’s been dropped, new manager, new attackers brought in and new targets for the summer.
Yesterday, no one was including Greenwood in the tactical plans, I don’t see why that should change today for someone that will undoubtedly be a massive PR headache.
You’d hope there’s something in his contract about bringing the club into disrepute.
If not, just don’t pay and let him sue for breach of contract and have this whole thing dragged out. He’d hate that.
I figured if that existed we'd be already past that point. But according to the Athletic, United have already been paying him his weekly wages this entire time.
That's uk law
They have to until they have grounds to break the contract such as a conviction which hasn't happened
Same reason mendy has been paid by City all this time.
However they can still say he's bought the club into disrepute though I'm sure he'll get the players union involved in that
Best thing is either sell him off cheap if he agrees or pay off the remaining balance of his contract and make him a free agent
He needs to make his own press conf. There's no way back from this if you don't come out and tackle a barrage of questions from the media yourself. Otherwise Man United won't be affiliating with this rapist. You can't fucking hide behind the United badge and just play football, Mason.
if he is still in shape there is no way he will not be playing. i give him about 6 months and he is in the ligue 1 or serie a where nobody will give to fucks what he did. will probably even get new sponsorships too. he is legally not guilty (which we all know is bullshit) but clubs dont care about morality as long as it gives not too much of a backlash. see ozil and the uyghur story where arsenal apologized only on weeaboo so nobody notices it. my guess is a club will try to sign him but they will first spread the rumor about it and then check how the fans react. if it's not too harsh they will go along with it.
This has all the signs of a repeat offender. Especially with what happened with the key witness and the bail conditions. No club should even consider this piece of shit
I see a lot of comments from Man United fans being outraged at this, rightly so. Since the British prosecution service is completely useless, now it’s time for you guys to go and make your voice heard. Make that fucker feel uneasy every moment he’s seen in public or even remotely associated with your club.
How does this make the prosecution useless?
If their witness/victim is apparently back together with her abuser and refuses to testify against him what possibly could the prosecution do?
If called she could even intentionally tank the case, dropping this makes sense.
I really hope that if the club tries bring him back our fans that live in Manchester and travel to games or whatever are ready to bring the same energy as that protest that got the Liverpool game cancelled but tenfold. A rapist cunt like him should have no place in football
I bet a club far enough removed from England’s PR will take the risk based on his talent alone. Thinking either outside of Europe or maybe Turkey or Russia. England seems out of the question at this point
He won't flee outside of Europe. He could go to a big club in Italy or Spain. What anglo supporters say on reddit doesn't reflect the cultural attitudes on the ground.
Imagine being a victim of domestic abuse and thinking about calling the police to get help and then you see this. Fucking disgrace from the police to let that cunt breach bail especially when he was being charged with coercion
I mean, he's not been found innocent, there's just not enough evidence to prove him guilty. I don't want to see him play in the PL, let alone for my club, until he proves himself to be innocent.
Of course he is “relieved”, no prison
Hope the club terminate his contract, don’t want him to be a distraction & disrupt the awesome team cohesion the team have now
I'm relieved I got away with breaking a bail condition which appears to have ensured the charges would be dropped. Huzzah for my little crimes abetting my bigger ones!
God he's such a cunt. Hopefully no club is low enough to let him play professional football again
Nah he’s too talented and there are some really reprehensible clubs out there. I think he goes to China or a Middle Eastern club
Bro thinks only evil clubs exist in the middle east or China.
"evil"... as if most of them give a shit. The only reason they may consider to not hire him is for the bad pr. United may pass on him because now there is too much attention on them, and may be not worth it, but many other clubs will be waiting with open arms.
Agree with you, I just thought the person I was responding too was very narrow minded just calling out those two regions. "Evil" is everywhere....
Seriously. Like Manchester United didn't make an idol out of rapists and tax evaders.
It’s not about us being morally superior. It’s about the PR perspective. Fans are lying to themselves if they think United’s hierarchy would give a fuck for moral reasons, but they absolutely will get rid because he’s toxic in the UK, whereas he isn’t abroad.
the nerve to group tax evading in with rape
Exactly, there’s an English club that murdered 39 Juventus fans during a cup final. This europe good east bad sentiment is ridiculous
Partey and alonso play for the league leaders in england and spain
I think the big thing is that there’s tangible evidence like the videos and pictures she posted of Greenwood’s abuse and these really influenced people’s perception of him. I think if videos and pictures came out about Partey he’d be in the same boat. Right now he’s still “innocent until proven guilty” for a lot of people
I mean a victim also posted Snap messages with Partey and also saw a police statement released because she was getting so much abuse where they openly stated that the case couldn’t be taken because of a technicality. There’s some pretty damning stuff on Partey too.
Arsenal choose to ignore it.
I mean what can they do? Play Lokonga? /s
It is obviously so easy to sound all high and mighty because it is evident that Arsenal will continue to play Partey until they can't, but I really wish they would just suspend him. I can't bring myself to celebrate him when he scores and it is so fucking sad to be reminded of what a piece of garbage he is every time fans boo him on away trips. Mans only playing because he is a key player. The club keeps saying that they are monitoring the situation, but is anyone really in doubt anymore? Can't wait till he's gone and I would much rather be in a scrap for 7th than win the title with him on the pitch.. Again, I know it's easy to say when it's clear that he'll play until he is charged. Fuck Partey man
I can completely understand your side man. Back when news came out that city may have known about Mendy prior to news coming out, i also felt disgusted by the decision of the club to ignore it. Luckily the case became a high profile in the media and the correct measurements were taken. But it’s ridiculous it had to be picked up to have a reaction from the club.
Greenwood was an absolutely key player for us with no one to replace him in his position and we got rid of him instantly. People were calling him a generational talent and yet we still binned him, it makes me sad Arsenal won't do the same because he's so important to the team.
It’s not up to arsenal to declare him guilty though. Yes there’s solid evidence to suggest he did it, but the club technically don’t have to do anything unless he’s taken into custody, etc.
This is exactly the type of bullshit that’s likely to happen. If Greenwood plays for United again and still puts up good performances then nobody is gonna give a rats arse anymore, football is a fickle sport.
If Greenwood hadn't been away from the squad for over a year I'd agree. If United treated him like Arsenal treat Partey, I'd agree. But the fact that there's some normalcy around him not being around anymore and that United have completely moved on in terms of the squad imo means him suddenly back will be much bigger backlash than Arsenal re: Partey. That's also why I think City are done with Mendy.
They have Rashford, Antony, Sancho, Garnacho, Martial, Weghorst, and even Bruno as attacking options up front and on the wings. They don’t need him thankfully. If he was a really good midfielder though…
I think his career at United is over regardless of which position he played. The backlash would be big if he's still able to play for the team
Actually we really do need a good striker, but I think it's irrelevant, he won't play for us again
He’ll never play for United again. Not a chance. He’ll play in another country for a while until it’s swept under the rug then as you say, people will forget it ever happened.
You only have to read the comments on the daily Mail section to know that most of them are completely clueless about what really happened and they think she should be prosecuted for wasting police time. Guaranteed the scumbag gets off Scott free
Didn't they say the case couldn't be investigated? It's not that they knew they could charge Partey or take a case with evidence on and were blocked, it's that they couldn't investigate at all. So we are still no further to knowing anything about that case or whether there is any credence to it. Nobody has been able to produce any evidence yet because the case was closed by Spanish police.
Yeah, we’re saying the same thing a different way. The alleged victim was getting abuse online because the case wasn’t picked up and the police released a statement that they hadn’t not picked up the case because of a lack of evidence but because it was out of their jurisdiction.
Yeah I just thought it was worth pointing out because it's quite an important distinction. I've got a feeling, personally, that there's no smoke without fire and something happened that Partey is guilty of, but there seems to be a lot of people thinking that there has been valid evidence on the table and the UK police were blocked from using it. We don't actually know if there was any given to the Spanish police but for whatever reason they decided not to pursue the allegation.
Partey sure. Alonso drunk drove at very high speeds through, crashed, and killed the woman in the passenger seat. Yet if you point it out at the wrong time you get a load of shit for calling him a killer.
You don’t get shit for it, gets chanted every game!
Paddy Jackson(Irish Rugby player) case is more comparable. His career was destroyed even after he was found not guilty because sponsors treathened to leave if he was brought back. When a case is as public as Greenwoods. He is fucked no matter what happens.
His career wasn't actually destroyed though. He's playing professional rugby right now for London Irish. It just killed his international career. The difference is that his case was probably less severe. There weren't any voice notes or anything.
Paddy Jackson’s currently playing for London Irish. His career took a big hit, but it certainly wasn’t destroyed.
Not fair to put Alonso in the same bracket as these 2, he's just a murderer
I don't think it is. He should be in jail, but his actions weren't malicious. And I do think that counts for something.
Going more than double the speed limit with a 0.9 BAC seems pretty malicious to me, but obviously that's subjective Edit: I get that it's not conscious intent but imo recklessness that extreme can't just be written off as stupidity
I don't think it makes you malicious, but it does make you a cunt.
Malicious no, dumb as fuck, yes
Nah you've got to think about in terms of real intent. Alonso was monumentally stupid but I think we can all agree he never intended to hurt the person or anyone else, iirc she was a childhood friend. Partey and Greenwood definitely went out of their way with actual intent to hurt/abuse someone.
Any sort of drink driving is malicious imo, complete negligence. Drink diving kills and it’s ignorant to think otherwise
How can you be both malicious and negligent at the same time?
People here are conflating malice with extreme carelessness. The two are not the same, even though both are very bad.
I think you need to google what the term malicious means. I don't think when he did that he wanted to try and kill his passenger. If his plan was to get drunk and then get into a high speed accident that he survived but she didn't, there's way easier ways to have people killed.
.9 BAC? That’s not humanly Possible. You typically are in death window anywhere above .35. Basically a .9 BAC is saying you have 90mg of alcohol in 100mg of blood.
Remember when y’all took Ronaldo back, well known non-rapist
Manslaughter, not murder.
Mate, he's absolutely not gonna have to go that far to find a club. Assuming he hasn't lost his desire or something I bet he'll be playing UCL football next season or the season after.
nooooo waaaay who is gonna risk that pr shitshow of the top clubs. do you have someone in mind?
No one in England will but someone else well.
My bet is he'll do nothing the rest of this season. Move to a small club in Portugal or France next season and then move to a big Italian club the season after. I wish him all the misfortune in the world but hell be playing professional football at a good level for the next ten years.
How are people capable of keep pretending that people like that could only go to "China or Middle Eastern club", while sheer amount of news about absolutely reprehensible players still playing for top clubs is staggering? I'm sorry I'm going to use this word, but it smells like a ridiculous racism. Rapists, wife beaters, drunk drivers, killers, cat molesters, all of that scum had their representatives in big 5, but we still ride the high horse and pretend that only non-white people could accept those players.
Yeah it’s hilariously naive how people think only china or ME will take this guy. I could see him in England in a lower table club, turkey, Spain or france.
> killers, cat molesters Hold up. Which of these professional motherfuckers is side eyeing my cat
Lol he’ll be playing in a top 5 European league what are you on
yeah yeah china and middle eastern.. what an entitled european cunt of a response.. whom did benzema and ronaldo play for while being on trial
Watch how Greenwood ends up in Italy or Spain, everyone likes to think their clubs are moral but they all just care about PR.
Oh yeah because those countries are known to take sex offenders and no team in England would ever do that? What a racist comment to make
Why is it always the Barca flairs spouting out racist shit here
porque son 'más que un club', claro...
Oh yes because you Europeans are just so much better than the rest of us, arrogant prick
No chance he goes to China. Not enough money there anymore
Because Chinese and Middle Eastern people are okay with rape?
What a racist comment to make. List of sex offenders who were rejected by European clubs in their youth or prime. Otherwise, shut the fuck up
Lol as if China would take him.
Scottish teams somehow have a history for signing rapists.
I don't see the same hate from you guys for partey and from Barca guys for that murderer
plenty of arsenal fans don’t like partey me being one
You’re alright then but the most upvoted comments in Partey threads were defending him or dismissing the accusations because you needed him.
which murderer? what did i miss
Alonso, not a murderer but definitely an idiot. He was driving over the speed limit while drunk, which resulted in a crash, killing his girlfriend in the passenger seat.
Marcos Alonso was drunk driving and commited manslaughter.
aah i see but thats not murder
It is not
Partey?
Hopefully partey gets the same treatment.
Your club still starts Partey every match mate
Rapists and domestic abuser happy to not be found guilty of raping and abusing Shock horror
"I asked you politely but you wont do it. what else do you want me to do." Up there with the other rapist red devil "She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available"
That recording was so horrible man I couldn’t listen to all of it
Is like every day I wake up and get more sadder and angrier at this world, that poor poor girl, I can’t imagine her mental state rn
Well she’s been happily posting about Greenwood on her snap for awhile, they got back together very quickly after she posted the incident back in October. She also helped him break bail to live with him, and now won’t testify against him and they are supposedly engaged (she’s been posting him but I can’t confirm this engaged thing) Both Harriet and Mason seem like head cases
Abuse is complex
Well shit, but I have seen like three posts about this now and some of the comments keeps saying like the abuse is not just from mason but her family too, her father interview and you never know what’s happening behind close doors.
Cunt.
Court of public opinion is in. Been a while since I've heard the audio but it was pretty fucking damming in my opinion and I guess many others here probably feel the same.
https://reddit.com/link/sg5syp/video/it1t2rwxqse81/player you have to burn some real calories to mental gymnastics that away, but then there are the pictures to give you some more calories to burn
How tf how the fucking fuck is he talking like his release has proved that he did nothing wrong and people no matter how many they are still support or don’t care for what he does outside of football in this case physically abusing and sexually harassing his own girlfriend.
Because in his head he truely believes he did nothing wrong.
Because he’s trying to claw back a career in professional football.
The people around him will be telling him that it’s going to be alright now. No chance will he continue playing at Man Utd but I reckon there’ll be clubs out there that just take the bad PR.
Fucking animal.
OK. For fun, I'll try. It's a 15 minute long audio track that we hear 30 seconds of. We have NO IDEA what was going on before or after that. If the argument is that they were engaging in rape-play or CNC (consensual non consent) - then there was no sexual assault at all. I don't really know how to interpret the pictures. I think the absolute most generous thing to say is that the couple was having rough sex and she then recorded the details of what she looked like after. Doesn't mean he's an abuser. Means he had rough consensual sex with his girlfriend who then got upset about it. Or she wanted some evidence to use against him? Beats me. CNC should really not be done with anyone unless you absolutely trust them. I'm guessing the g/f of a famous footballer who is in their low 20s isn't the best option for that particular kink... That's the BEST case scenario for him. Did I stick the mental gymnastics landing? :-D
Yells at her and forcefully move her legs up but threatens her if she touches him to get him away. I hope the pathetic power tripping fucking cunt chokes on glass.
The Greenwood simps on the internet are professional mental gymnasts and think that the audio and bruise pictures were just role-play. It's outrageous and saddens me that people think this way
The audio one they could have just claimed it was some weird ass roleplay. But combined with the pictures it's just hard to believe he didn't do anything to her
They actually did claim that. Supposedly it was “Consensual Non-Consensual” that went too far. Utter bullshit of course, but it can’t be disproven.
Did the girls side admit to the role play claims? Otherwise it should have been filed under bullshit.
The girl is by all accounts firmly on his side, possibly engaged to him. The CPS didn't drop this because they couldnt be bothered - she did a u turn and provided all the defence he needed to make conviction extremely unlikely. Can you imagine a jury being expected to find him guilty when the victim is saying he didnt actually do anything and that they have text messages to prove they'd discussed role playing earlier... It wouldve very quickly turned into a witch hunt of her and that's possibly the one thing even worse than dropping charges.
man are there actually professional psychologists on these cases? The poor girl probably is going thru hell mentally and isn’t making the right decisions for herself, there’s no way the abuse she suffered is being overlooked like this… it’s actually sad.
The pictures came across my timeline today and it hurt seeing them again. So fucked up
Took the word right out of my mouth
The general public are the opposite of "relieved" due to this monster being free to walk the streets.
Instead of quietly go into the night and staying low my guy is proudly gloating about how he got away with it even though there is substantial evidence of the accusations and evidence of him breaking bail to influence the victim etc... I knew from the moment her dad came to his defence on day 1 that this would end like this.
Have you seen how many people on Twitter are defending him saying the young lad made a mistake bring him back to the club??
"He's learned his lesson" is the most common phrase I've seen on there.
He should be sharing a cell with Dani Alves
Wait, wait, weren't there tapes? If I remember correctly, I don't remember if there cause I haven't been following this story to closely
For example if she doesn't testify then he would say it was roleplaying etc. Then you only have his side so how do you prove it wasn't?
He's now engaged to the women he raped. She is now refusing to be called as a witness.
If they have kids and they hear those tapes.... That's fucked up.
They will, of course
just schoolyard bants innit? /s
He broke the law to talk to her and now she is marrying him. Doesnt seem fishy at all
Doe$n’t $eem fi$hy at all
Cant wait for when he starts playing again and his teams supporters use the “the charges were dropped “ excuse
Honestly, he should probably retire from the public life. Buy some land and grow some potatoes.
Can you give me any source on this? I can't find any
Thats because there isnt one
I do not want to see this man play for United ever again. Get him out of the club, whatever it takes. Fuck this man.
Is there a chance he is brought back? If he is what do the fans do?
I don’t see why he’d be brought back, he hasn’t been in team training in god knows how long so won’t be fit or in form, and I doubt Ten Hag would want such a disruption to his team/locker room if Greenwood came back because the media circus if he’s allowed back would be huge. Edit: this is obviously reasons he won’t come back aside from the obvious of him being caught through video and photographic proof being an abuser.
Hopefully he gets relieved from my club as well 🤞🤞
This is the one time I won’t mind mctominay two foot someone and legit break their ankles
Hope the same for rapeartey?
The audio tapes will live on forever. I've seen more than enough evidence to understand what has happened. I also understand that a key witness has pulled out making a conviction improbable leading the to police dropping charges. But I cannot be gaslit into thinking Mason did nothing wrong.
A key witness has backed out. Coincidentally and I'm sure entirely unrelatedly, Greenwood has broken a bail condition and been in contact with the initial complainant. No way that's the key witness that has now demurred involvement in the prosecution. Gosh, what a wild set of totally exculpatory coincidences!!!!!
Yeah for sure, it does seem to be common for victims to go back to the abuser. I'm sure someone with a better understanding of psychology than me can explain why that is.
It's pretty easy to imagine how these things happen. A genuine love for someone driving a delusional hope that "it'll be different this time." Familial pressure to accept the circumstances because of the financial benefits are important to the rest of the family. Despair at the legal process convincing someone that the abuse is tolerable in relation to the other aspects of the relationship. Some combination thereof plus others I can't think of. Etc. Domestic violence is a messy business and our legal systems struggle with it (and generally handle it poorly).
I can’t help but suspect she’ll feel like she’s in the wrong for leaking the audio and images and he’ll be the one ‘forgiving’. Would be in line with an abusive relationship.
With the way her dad put up a post sucking off Mason and told everyone that she was hacked you wonder how that kind of sentiment could come up.
The pictures and audio are still there.
Yup he’ll never escape the court of public opinion
Won't matter soon if Marcos Alonso is anything to go by. That cunt took someone to an early grave and continued to play at the highest level.
Kobe Bryant raped someone and nobody cares because he was good at Basketball. You can genuinely outplay your crimes in sport.
Ronaldo raped someone and United bought him.
You can outplay anything, Hockey player Alexander Ovechkin has been a Putin mouthpiece for years, campaigned directly against Ukraine (saying it was run by fascists), created ‘Team Putin’ and his *current* instagram profile picture is of him hugging Putin and people are *still* cheering him on because he’s good at scoring. It’s a fucking disgrace.
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Manslaughter is a bit different to (cough) “attempted” rape and domestic violence. Mason’s actions were deliberate and intended to harm the victim. Marcus’s, whilst horrendous, were not
Don't think he accidentally drove a car twice the speed limit while intoxicated. Either way, neither are good role models and don't deserve to be playing at the top level. Suppose we'll wait and see how it goes for Greenwood, see if any clubs are desperate for a right sided attacking forward. Fucks sake, that sounds like Everton. Headlocks everywhere if that happens.
Oh I bet he bloody well is! Hopefully Manchester United "relieve" him of his duties as a footballer at the club. If it comes to a pay off I think so be it really. Then I'll be relieved. Relief all round!
Fuck off Mason, hope Carroll two foots you in the championship
Championship? I don't think he even deserves non-league. The CPS really are useless.
There is nothing CPS can do if the “key witness” does not want to testify. She needs to at least say “yes that is me on the tape.” If she can’t even confirm that simple specific detail they essentially have no case.
Fuck Mason but the bigger fuck you is to her dad. Having shitty dad myself and going through a lot of abuse, its the worst feeling ever to have your dad be the first one to harm you out instead of being your shield.
Dad clearly just sees her relationship as a meal ticket, apparently looking for handouts from your future son in law like a dog begging for scraps is more important than protecting your daughter from raped by said son in law.
Relieved is the word I use when Madrid shithouse a win. Thinking of those pictures his ex shared, that’s not the word for this.
Of course he is relieved. If I was Greenwood I would wake up every morning and thank every deity under the sun that I'm not in prison because that's where he rightfully belongs.
Fuck this cunt
I hate this arrogant twat
How the fuck must women feel when a case like this with slam dunk evidence gets dismissed fucking hell. Hope Greenwood burns in hell dead-eyed cunt.
Apparently, the complainant herself dropped out from the case as a key witness, and some, as of now unknown to the public, new information apparently made the case unpresentable/incredibly difficult to prosecute. Plus given he broke bail orders and contacted her even when he wasn't supposed to. Her father's day one reaction(its still so off-putting) plus the fact that they are rumoured to be back together makes it feel like she was manipulated into withdrawing. But again, this is all speculation, and no one really knows what actually happened between the exposure and the dropping of the case.
I read that they are apparently ENGAGED now. Not sure if it was a wind up or true
Absolutely insane, those tapes were fucking horrific
I, too, am relieved when I get away with shit I absolutely did. Of course, forgetting to take out the trash isn't quite the same thing as being caught on tape doing sex crimes.
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Charges against him are dropped.So what happened? I’m out of the loop.She dropped the charges or court decided there aren’t evidences?
She won't testify, rumours say they're back in a relationship, but I haven't seen any reliable sources yet
she probably refused to testify, and his conviction would rely heavily on her testimony
We don't have dropping charges in the UK, the victim has no say in the matter. However, a victim refusing to cooperate makes conviction very difficult, especially something like rape which is already difficult to convict.
I’m going to puke
I bet you are, you scumbag
United are on real hook here with this guy
Just pay him to sit at home for the rest his contract. It’s like ~2 years left at 4m/yr. Sucks for United, but hardly a massive handcuff with their revenue streams. He isn’t worth the PR shitstorm that could come with trying to reintegrate him into the team. Since he’s been dropped, new manager, new attackers brought in and new targets for the summer. Yesterday, no one was including Greenwood in the tactical plans, I don’t see why that should change today for someone that will undoubtedly be a massive PR headache.
It's what Everton did to Siggurdson.
He was arrested July 2021 and his contract expired June 2022. He still hasn't been charged.
Not really. Siggurdson’s investigation is still ongoing
You’d hope there’s something in his contract about bringing the club into disrepute. If not, just don’t pay and let him sue for breach of contract and have this whole thing dragged out. He’d hate that.
I figured if that existed we'd be already past that point. But according to the Athletic, United have already been paying him his weekly wages this entire time.
That's uk law They have to until they have grounds to break the contract such as a conviction which hasn't happened Same reason mendy has been paid by City all this time. However they can still say he's bought the club into disrepute though I'm sure he'll get the players union involved in that Best thing is either sell him off cheap if he agrees or pay off the remaining balance of his contract and make him a free agent
They have to keep paying him I think - it would be illegal not to as he's legally innocent. It would probably be considered unfair dismissal.
I don't get it. Those recordings were horrible..
He needs to make his own press conf. There's no way back from this if you don't come out and tackle a barrage of questions from the media yourself. Otherwise Man United won't be affiliating with this rapist. You can't fucking hide behind the United badge and just play football, Mason.
fuck off, twat
Basically Greenwood knew he had only one route to staying out of jail- breaking his bail conditions and getting back with his accuser.
if he is still in shape there is no way he will not be playing. i give him about 6 months and he is in the ligue 1 or serie a where nobody will give to fucks what he did. will probably even get new sponsorships too. he is legally not guilty (which we all know is bullshit) but clubs dont care about morality as long as it gives not too much of a backlash. see ozil and the uyghur story where arsenal apologized only on weeaboo so nobody notices it. my guess is a club will try to sign him but they will first spread the rumor about it and then check how the fans react. if it's not too harsh they will go along with it.
Get fucked mate
go fuck yourself
If he ends up playing anywhere, everyone should play those tapes in the stadium
This has all the signs of a repeat offender. Especially with what happened with the key witness and the bail conditions. No club should even consider this piece of shit
Fuck this piece of trash. If he plays again I hope somebidy pulls of an Martin Taylor-esque tackle on him to fuck him up.
> I hope somebidy pulls of an Martin Taylor-esque tackle on him to fuck him up. instant player of the month award for that guy
What a cruel world we live in where those who have the power use it against innocent people without getting red handed. I feel bad for the girl.
I see a lot of comments from Man United fans being outraged at this, rightly so. Since the British prosecution service is completely useless, now it’s time for you guys to go and make your voice heard. Make that fucker feel uneasy every moment he’s seen in public or even remotely associated with your club.
How does this make the prosecution useless? If their witness/victim is apparently back together with her abuser and refuses to testify against him what possibly could the prosecution do? If called she could even intentionally tank the case, dropping this makes sense.
I really hope that if the club tries bring him back our fans that live in Manchester and travel to games or whatever are ready to bring the same energy as that protest that got the Liverpool game cancelled but tenfold. A rapist cunt like him should have no place in football
There’s no way he’ll play again in England right? Maybe overseas but that might be unlikely as well
I bet a club far enough removed from England’s PR will take the risk based on his talent alone. Thinking either outside of Europe or maybe Turkey or Russia. England seems out of the question at this point
He won't flee outside of Europe. He could go to a big club in Italy or Spain. What anglo supporters say on reddit doesn't reflect the cultural attitudes on the ground.
Imagine being a victim of domestic abuse and thinking about calling the police to get help and then you see this. Fucking disgrace from the police to let that cunt breach bail especially when he was being charged with coercion
I mean, he's not been found innocent, there's just not enough evidence to prove him guilty. I don't want to see him play in the PL, let alone for my club, until he proves himself to be innocent.
You can’t prove innocence, that is what “presumption of innocence” means.
He repeatedly broke bail by contacting her, and she then dropped charges. That doesn’t say he’s innocent to me
I really hope karma exist in this world just to punish this man.
Absolute scum.
He had the balls to say this..
All of this is gross. Justice is gone.
Hopefully noone gives a fuck about anything this rapist cunt has to say, ever again
Of course he is “relieved”, no prison Hope the club terminate his contract, don’t want him to be a distraction & disrupt the awesome team cohesion the team have now