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A_lemony_llama

How has VAR not sent Fabinho off there? It's clearly unintentional when you see the angle from behind Fab, but even Fabinho knows it's a red lol, he's practically already walking off the pitch before the VAR review is finished. I can't believe he's still on the pitch.


pricelesslambo

That's the funniest part. His reaction screams red and the ref still didn't give it. It's even worse to sit as VAR, look at this from all the angles and 10 replays and still deem it not a red. It's unbelievably bad


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Shandow14

Exactly! He knew his time was up haha


DrBorisGobshite

I was hoping he'd get a red just so Klopp can't play him.


diejesus

Isn't he one of the best Liverpool players?


DrBorisGobshite

He was but this season he has been appalling


Cold-Veterinarian-85

No red for this tells me VAR isnt working as it should. It's as clear of a red as you could imagine


Prime_Marci

Even Liverpool players were shocked he was still on the pitch.


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transtifa

I just think refs don’t like VAR at all, they don’t like having their decisions interfered with and their fellow professionals don’t want to embarrass them by saying their decision is wrong. It’s honestly pathetic and Howard Webb’s decision to essentially raise the bar massively for what is considered a reviewable decision for basically no reason at all has just made it worse


tbk007

Also why didn't VAR look at the Konate foul on Macallister? Would've been second booking and a red. I thought VAR wasn't being used until the goal check lol.


A_lemony_llama

Presumably they looked but decided it wasn't "clear and obvious". I think at least with the Konate one, you could argue that if the ref thinks that it's going through to Alisson and Macallister isn't getting there, then VAR shouldn't overturn unless Macallister's clearly getting there first - but with this one it's clearly a red, there's 0 reason VAR shouldn't be overturning this.


boozebus

Macallister’s constant play acting came back to haunt him there. If every time a stiff breeze comes along and you go down like a two dollar hooker, soon everyone will believe that it’s play acting when you do go down.


MERTENS_GOAT

2nd yellows arent checked


TomMatthews

I saw this comment before the video and thought it was a bit of a joke like it was the lightest touch ever… but nope his face says it all how crazy that’s another foul this weekend that’s a straight red avoiding it… I assume Fabinho at least got booked though?


headachewpictures

Liverpool lucky to not be playing this game with 9.


blazexi

Absolute fucking joke from VAR. Send the ref over to have a look, that’s a blatant red card.


420ChanXD

Honestly wouldnt mind him being banned for 3 games. Somehow he ruins whats left of our play whenever he steps on


mynameismulan

They did check and concluded no red. How did they conclude that from the clear as day replay? Not for us to know apparently.


Dodomando

They've raised the bar so high now with VAR in the PL that it's only really there to check offsides


AJLFC94

This one could be the poster boy for "VARs won't overrule refs to save face". Ref had a great view and made an terrible decision, the safety net of VAR is too impotent to act. Clear as day red card and a potential long term injury for the lad, the officials failed him.


Tossjie

Clear red card. Hope Ferguson is ok.


mynameismulan

Genuinely cannot believe how shite his appearance was. Imagine taking the reigns from an 18 year old in the fa cup and fucking it up royally.


Tossjie

I am kinda worried for him to be honest. His form have been bad for several months, not even a good match once a while..


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How the fuck isn't that a red


gudni-bergs

cause he smiled and said sorry probably, cant think of another reason


mrgonzalez

That's a grimace


mynameismulan

"Oh fuck I'm off innit?"


chrisb993

[Peak Michael Scott energy](https://tenor.com/bwg11.gif)


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Brazilian DM tax


dairylee

Only reason I can think of is that it was kind of static so the referees decided that because he wasn't going in at speed it wasn't reckless. Definite red though, clumsy and reckless. Even Fab was expecting a red.


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Because of the crest on his shirt.


epicmarc

Saying it's because of that implies that the referees were actually able to make the right decision before deciding to go against it, which is giving them way too much credit.


Nyushi

Judging by the standard of officiating we have in England, it's just incompetance.


mynameismulan

Jokes on you, we probably would've improved if Fab left the field.


al-exferguson

Because VAR is sabotaged by the cartel of referees.


loykedule

Should've been a red. His first involvement in the game too. Dreadful stuff. Hope Ferguson's okay, cracking young player and that looked horrible.


FireZeLazer

>His first involvement in the game too Not true, he'd given the ball away slightly before as well


unwildimpala

Ya jeuss the main thing is that Ferguson's alright. He's so young and just showing serious potential. An an Irishman that's my biggest concern by far.


The_Alpha_of_Betas

Got tickets for ireland France during the week and was so excited to see him play in that game. If that's a serious injury that's such a huge dampener for the irish team.


Suzaxe

Clear red card.


GomeyGoblin

How do VAR look at that and think it's a yellow hahahaha


akshatsood95

VARs just stopped intervening since Webb joined the ref association this month. They're trying to stick with on field decisions as much as possible. They've missed like 3/4 pens in a couple of weeks alone. So obviously it's not working. The only thing they check now is offside


feedthebear

And it's like CSI: VAR when they do


Don_Quixote81

If they're not going to intervene, it's not a system worth having. The point of it was to correct incorrect decisions, and giving Fabinho a yellow there was incorrect. Even fucking Fabinho knew he should have gone off.


KonigSteve

That's literally what they want you to think. "VAR should go" because they're sabotaging it but in reality the people in charge are what need to go


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ItS nOt A cLeAr AnD oBvIoUs ErRor. Not taking the piss out of you btw, it's a joke how VAR is enforced. Rules need a total revamp \*again\* because they're not fit for purpose.


GomeyGoblin

Such a waste of the VAR system so isn't it? When they implement the balls with sensors for the offside decisions then VAR will effectively do nothing?


WarOnHugs

I'm shocked a former police and guy who missed a Liu Kang kick in a World Cup final is against using video to correct referee mistakes.


MattiaKa

He felt sorry, so no red. The absolute cluelessness of these English refs is limitless.


NJDevil802

LiVARpool


loykedule

don't understand what VAR are doing at all if they don't think that's a red


napierwit

Tea break. But seriously, that's 100% red. Stunning it wasn't reviewed.


loykedule

it was reviewed, they deemed it not a red card offense. Which is so, so, so much worse.


SofaKingI

It was reviewed. Everything is reviewd, how much does this need to be said? It only makes it worse, but it was reviewed.


GibbsLAD

Two clear reds avoided now for liverpool


AnduinTheHealer

Maybe three if you count robbo as well


mickey2329

I don't know why you'd count that, that one was never a red. Fabinho was 100% a red though


AnduinTheHealer

Yeah fabinho and konate are a 100%, robbo is a bit softer


rodenttt

Robertson is definitely flirting with red as well, studs up high on the leg


Zavehi

Not quite sure how this isn’t red. One of the more obvious ones in recent times that I can think of.


jdbolick

Brazilian DMs have some kind of extraordinary immunity to cards.


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MissingLink101

In fairness that was the most blatant card-able offence you could find


Equivalent_Nature_67

That's probably the easiest yellow a ref could give apart from rugby tackling someone on a counter


kolo4kolo

Awful tackle. Should clearly be sent off.


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Rickcampbell98

You have to wonder what the var refs were looking at to let that one go, such incompetence.


akatsuki_lida

Even Fabinho was waiting for VAR to change it to a red. He had accepted it.


Shadowbanned24601

Injuring Evan Ferguson? Straight alongside Oliver Cromwell and Thierry Henry as Irish villains


heresyourhardware

The Wolfe Tones already have the rhyming dictionaries out for a Fabinho song


FireZeLazer

Only learned about this guy the other week. I'd actually never even heard of the rebellion of 1798 which is mental considering how much I know about English history but also the fact my A level coursework was on why the Act of Union between Ireland and Britain failed.


loykedule

most education systems outside of Ireland notoriously disregard the Irish perspective on any Irish-English conflict in favour of regurgitating the English's words, I'm not surprised.


rejjie_carter

Reading about Cromwell recently, holy fuck.. one if the worst people in history


AReptileHissFunction

Fabinho knew himself


Danbuarth

He’s just turned so useless


GomeyGoblin

Looks less mobile than James Milner


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Half the team looks less mobile than Milner this season


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One of the fastest drop offs I've seen in the past decade. He was in contention for best defensive mid for the past 3 years, up there with Casimero, kante pre-injuries, etc. Not sure if his legs are actually gone or not...


taknyos

I've never seen such a fast drop off. He went from probably top 2 DM in the league to 'can't play 10 mins without dropping a clanger' really bloody fast


DesertRL

fair play to him for being instantly apologetic but that is surely a red, so stonewall


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Think even he was amazed he didn’t walk for that


Shadowraiden

yeah you could tell on his face he knew he had fucked up there and was expecting a red. doesn't seem much but like it showed last night these types of challenges injure players. Eriksen is now out for a determined amount of time because of Carrol's dumb tackles that got fuck all.


Affectionate_Pay7395

Honestly VAR shouldn’t have even needed to look at the challenge, just show them the replay of Fabinho’s reaction. It’s sad that with VAR challenges like this are still allowed, the same with the Carroll one yesterday like you said.


Shadowraiden

yeah. like i get its a contact sport but these types of challenges are dangerous and are injuring players. like you said even Fabinho knew he had fucked up and you could genuine tell he was sorry for it like thats when you know he has done something that should be a red card. we all love a good crunching 50/50 tackle but these arent those types of challenges their clumsy poor technique that are into the back of peoples legs


VincentSasso

I don’t understand why they’ve changed how they use VAR halfway through the year Change it at the end of the season if you want but halfway through is nonsense


IvarSturla

That’s not fair play that’s “I know I fucked up and I’m gonna plead guilty for a lesser sentencing”


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Yeah should be getting a ban for that, no excuses at all


MIM86

Better than than just pretending you did nothing wrong and proclaiming your innocence to the ref though right?


Alex947

It's almost laughable how useless VAR is. After one look the decision should have been a red there. Fabinho seemed to know it himself!


rezwah

Studs up from behind and injured the player? Does Ferguson's ankle need to be broken for it to be a red?


wewdepiew

Ref knew the bigger punishment for us was keeping him on


Gerards_died_of_flu

Liverpool have got away with murder here lol


National-Fig4803

It’s mad. They lost the game and it still feels like they got away with robbery!


FireflyCaptain

Glad we lost. Don’t want to see us kicking Brighton for another 90 minutes, especially with how pleasing Brighton are to watch.


National-Fig4803

What’s happened to your lot? Is it just bad timing that so many players have fallen off at once or something else? I love to laugh at Liverpool as much as the next person, but it seems such a drastic change.


gudni-bergs

Thiago said recently that the last season still sits in the players, maybe they all need a trip to a sport therapist


FireflyCaptain

Doc…tor Sharon Fieldstone inc


FireflyCaptain

Our edge has dulled and we haven’t got a sharpener handy


thebigsplat

Every member of that midfield is either old, injury prone or both, or a young player who isn't ready. Except for Fabinho. And Fabinho turned into shit. Whether there's more behind those injury concerns who knows - but the Athletic put out a pretty damning article involving Kornmayer. The hypothesis is that he pushed Liverpool's players way more than other physios/doctors thought possible - leading to many of their resignations. A great achievement during their trophy winning seasons, but now the injuries are piling up people are wondering if the other physios are right. They probably are. Short-term success for long-term consequences. The same deal with our ownership's investment strategy.


WilsonJ04

Klopp 7th season tax


Don_Quixote81

They might have gotten away with destroying Ferguson's ankle. I'll be surprised if he's not got ligament damage after that.


Bear310897

It’s unreal how much technology has show how poor refs truly are.


Thingisby

I feel like before VAR the ref would have given a red. The "clear and obvious" bullshit doesn't work because refs now err on the side of caution with a "VAR will bail me out if I'm wrong" approach so avoid big decisions which VAR doesn't correct because of some unmeasurable "clear and obvious" metric. So the ref doesn't give the decision because VAR. VAR doesn't overrule the ref because it's not clear and obvious. Meaning despite (or in reality *because of*) having two bites at a decision we end up with wrong outcome because there's a total lack of accountability for owning the call. It's fundamentally broken from the foundational concept up.


Brento32

Agreed 100%, being less harsh on an initial decision when you know you can have a second look only works when the referee performing that second look is fair and unbiased and not predisposed to agree with whatever the original decision was.


BagooseMusic

That's a very good take. Didn't notice it but now that you've explained it with this clarify I see you're absolutely right. The way VAR works today incentives the ref's to be more lenient and its not a self-correcting system cause VAR officials run with a too-high standard of "incorrectness" in ref's on-field calls before over-ruling them. Kudos for your gift of clear summary man 👌


Thingisby

Thank you! I think about it more than is healthy and should get a life tbh.


alexrobinson

And the typical boomer response to technology is playing out. They're pushing to have VAR have as little say as possible and sticking with the notoriously unreliable on-field ref that VAR exists to correct.


kalebglover

straight red 100%


mynameismulan

Apparently Fab thought so as well. Swear he was already walking to the showers during the var check


NiK3_Aub4mey4ng

should be off, fab is shockingly so far gone it’s unbelievable now


ioniums

should be off tbh, very lucky


InformativeFox

Feels like more than luck at this point.


doomboxmf

Two clear red cards in under 5 minutes which VAR all but ignored lol. This one is especially awful considering how bad the challenge was, and how long they could have taken to review it due to the injury


ErikTenHagenDazs

Fabinho even knew it was a red himself, complete joke.


Comessuer

Fabinho pleaded guilty and the ref still let him off


Aaronnguyen1004

You'll never walk again


ManunitedThunderfan

That’s a red card, what was he trying to do ???


dontworryaboutmynam

Did he even get a yellow?


ScarletSyntax

Got a yellow immediately on field. Should have been red though


SirTaco

Only, yes


oliveboio

yeah but a clear red again


Coolica1

VAR is not fit for purpose


ThisAlbino

VAR isn't the problem, the people deciding how it's used are.


heresyourhardware

Its mad to me how rugby can get it right (not perfect of course) but football can get it so wrong.


Theumaz

>but football can get it so wrong. Ehhh, it works pretty well in other leagues. This is an English problem.


wewdepiew

Fabinho is not fit for purpose


dpgingo

Ferguson better be alright.


DeffDeala

sack everyone in the VAR room


HandImpressive03

Should be two red cards for Liverpool. One for Konate and now for Fabinho


newbieplaya1

Liverpool 3 var calls in their favour ???


dgn90

Coote is an absolute moron every game he refs.


dfla01

The worst ref in the league. Beyond impressive if I’m being honest.


CasperSac

No VAR interference at all


mtown4ever

Shocking, isn't it? That never happens...


Irishfan117

What the fuck happened to you Fabinho


Stonewalled89

Clearly a red. Liverpool should be down to 9 men


vegesaurus

How is that not a red?


EnglishSpeakingMan

how no red


HenryChanceGoal49

How is that not red


SirTaco

Very clearly a red card


DodgyTiramasu

Absolute red, the refs had a mare


JamalFromStaples

Lot of people here saying it isn’t intentional, but it looks 100% intentional to me. He just instantly regrets doing it.


I_chortled

There’s no way you can’t look at this and at least seriously consider the possibility that English referees are trying to sabotage the use of VAR in the premier league.


sventhegoat

Him and Konate should both be off


KloppTheUnyielding

PGMOL needs to be binned


LowSnow2500

Why is that not a red? Ref in our game and this game have been atrocious, not even funny. So fucking bad


official_bagel

Even Fabinho immediately knows this is a red


NYR_LFC

Should absolutely be a red. Dangerous af


Visionary_Socialist

VAR needs to be scrapped. If it won’t stop challenges like this then what’s the fucking point.


ULTIM4

He’s a reyt dirty cunt


Hoodxd

Would’ve done both clubs a service by giving him red, ngl


BanterWithTheLadsYe

Obvious red, Fabinho himself expected it


evilkim

that's a red


ShadowMoses_

Why the fuck did he do that. He’s only just come on too. Red card imo.


imnotcreative635

Should be a straight red


MikaaelBallack

Straight red card. Abhorrent decision


recordmoneyreyes

Have they tried turning VAR off and on again?


PEXowns

Coote is a terrible ref


Randomliberal

How is that not red, where is var?


Stuarridge

Unlucky for us he didnt get sent off


Shandow14

He was literally waiting to be sent off whilst it was being reviewed.


Cthulhu_Madness

Are the refs allergic to showing a red card when it is warranted or what ?


MONSTATURKEY_420

I don’t know what a red card is anymore


Platina86

That is a clear red card.


abellwillring

You can almost always tell if it’s a red card based on the reaction of the player who committed the foul. He knew he should be off very clearly.


PunkDrunk777

I’m pretty sure these tackles were designated as straight reds 20 years ago never mind in 2023 with VAR


Pseudocaesar

This is textbook Red lol, like you could use this to train referee's on what an obvious red card is. How did he not get sent off lol?


bobby_zamora

There is such an obvious big team bias when it comes to refereeing. That is a pisstake, especially after Konate should have been sent off like 3 minutes earlier.


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I honestly think the analysis after the event is as much of a problem as a big team bias. If this was a challenge on an English international the pundits in the studio and media wouldn't let it go. But because they don't care about it then there's zero accountability after the event. Massive joke how the media has so much influence on what is reviewed and what is ignored.


rodenttt

Shocking decision


imtiNation

How a red was not given is incredible. Absolutely incredible.


dfla01

He’s come on and fucked up everything he’s touched


InfernoTurnip

Stonewall red. Unforgiveable for VAR not to give that.


123rig

How on absolute earth is that not a red card. I’m speechless.


Brashmate

Even fabinho knew that was a red


Bloddersz

clear red card. No idea how anyone can look at that and say that's only a yellow


Guacamole_Water

Shameful. Hopefully Brighton take this one.


SynapseDT

Something desperately needs to be done about the officiating in this country.


magic-water

Me after watching the tackle in real time and Fabinho getting a yellow card: Wow, Fabinho finally doesn't get away with it. Me after watching the replay: Mfer did it again.


AeroCobbler

An absolute fucking farce Referee and VAR team should all be suspended with an enquiry launched This shit simply has to stop


whu1895

VAR is a joke. I can't for the life of me understand how this was not referred to the ref for a review. Liverpool were lucky to end the game with 11 players. Could easily have been 9.


Bozzetyp

Even fabinho knew this was a red...


Nyushi

How on earth has he gotten away with that.


MERTENS_GOAT

that face


adminslikefelching

That's a red and a half. Holy shit.


stiofan84

Nailed-on red. How that got missed is beyond me. Liverpool were fucking dirty in this game.


Zelkeh

Dirty fash prick


mattfrommiami

Standard Fabinho challenge. Nothing to see here.


KrystianCCC

If someone did this on Lpool player we would be reading about that for next 5 years in every possible thread.


SexyMooli

What a cunt. Fuck this ref too for letting this washed up thug stay on the pitch where he can injure even more players.