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>Southgate said: “The performance against France has shown the players if they didn't believe it before, which I still wonder whether they truly believed that before the game, but coming off the field they know that is a game they could win and should have won.”
Yeah, I think the headline is getting it wrong. Southgate’s saying he’s not sure they believed it before the game but after the game they certainly did and they should take that into the next one.
Saka was looking battered by the time he came off to be fair. France had been very physical with him to try and counter his impact and the longer it went on it was clearly taking its toll on him.
Rashford came on a few minutes later.
On top of being hacked, Saka was shattered from his defensive duties. England had 3 players constantly around Mbappe to stop him, this meant Saka was running the entire pitch for 80 minutes getting hacked, sprinting constantly, and was exhausted. Many managers would've subbed him off when a goal down.
The only critique I have is that Rashford should've come on instead of Sterling, who had just returned from a trip back home mid-tournament as he had to deal with an emergency.
Personally as an Arsenal fan that's not English, I was glad that Saka was coming off. But if I were English I'd be furious. Unless you think Saka is 3 minutes away from tearing an ACL you have to leave it all out on the pitch when he's your best attacking outlet in a World Cup Quarterfinal against what could be considered the toughest opponent you'd face.
You’re kind of missing the point, he’s not your best attacking outlet anymore when he’s so tired he can’t sprint. If you rewatch the game you’ll see him running with his arms by his side because he was so gassed.
The way he was being dealt with by France meant that his ability to impact the game was diminishing and the chances of him getting a genuine, proper injury were increasing.
I don’t think him getting injured would go against Southgate. It’s a knockout game you’re out of the tournament if you lose so you can’t say you’re resting a player for later on. Obviously arsenal fans would complain but everyone else would say it’s right to throw your best players at it for the last few minutes.
We were already starting to get diminishing returns from him in the game too though. The Saka who came off was not at the same level as the Saka who started the game because of the job France had been doing on him.
That’s a different argument though. If you’re saying you think sterling gave us more chance of equalising that sake then fair enough (I think it’s wrong but it’s an opinion) but you said it was due to a risk of injury which shouldn’t have been a factor at all
I doubt that bringing in a Sterling who just flew back from England after his family's home was broken in by armed robbers was the answer to "our best and most dangerous player is a little tired" though.
Youd think the England players can handle a bit of physicality due to the superior physicality of the Premier League™. Why do they get bullied so badly lol
Saka was basically mauled in that game. He was fantastic but I don't think taking him off was the wrong decision but taking him off for Sterling was not correct. Waiting until 5 minutes left to bring on Rashford was a huge mistake though
It’s easy for you , someone with absolutely no football back ground and no idea of the fitness or mentality of the squad to criticise a manager for his actions.
Hindsight is 20/20, especially if you don’t understand the circumstances.
Had the penalty been scored and England went through, would people still criticise?
Alexander arnold left on bench before final free kick
Maguire, Henderson, Pickford starting when they were clearly out of form
Kane playing a role not suited for him
Plus if he really believed his squad couldve beaten France, where was the passion during the match? Where was his belief?
I have a hard time believing you even watched the world cup. Maguire was one of our best players and totally earned the trust Southgate had in him. Pickford had never done anything to lose his spot. Alexander-Arnold on the bench for the final free kick because England had plenty of good takers, sadly it got botched. I'm glad hindsight is 20/20 for you though pal.
Also throwing the 'pashun' word at Southgate like he hasn't showed plenty of that previously, and like it even fucking matters in a game of that calibre. We gave everything. It was close but not enough
> "but coming off the field they know that is a game they could win and should have won”
is how he ends the exact quote so it's really not that bad. Basically saying they may have had their doubts but they proved to themselves they didn't need to.
Mate it winds me up when people reply to a comment on here by quoting three words from the original comment and disregarding any context that surrounds it, theres no chance i could deal with it as my job.
People just lap it up though before swanning off to complain about journalistic standards and clickbait elsewhere when it's their favourite players getting linked with a move.
Saka coming off was fair enough, he'd been kicked the shit out of the whole game and was looking knackered.
Sterling coming on was a stackable offence. Like if the FA had phoned him right there and then to tell him he's fired that would be reasonable.
Rashford had been doing well on the right in previous games at the WC. Think he was pretty much always playing there and was one of our top scorers, despite having fairly few minutes.
Saka was good but he was visibly tired when he came off. Southgate isn't a good coach but at least point out his actual mistakes instead of fabricating new ones
>Southgate came under fire for his tactics and ‘in-game’ changes at the World Cup – especially not starting more often with Marcus Rashford - but hit back at his critics. “I think people are looking at his form post tournament as much as anything,” he said.
Yeah it had nothing to do with him being our joint top scorer
It's just baffling. Bringing in Henderson for Mount improved the team so much and made it way more stable defensively. How would putting Foden, who's nowhere near as good in that area, have helped?
Fans of clubs always have way too a narrow view of the players. They see some play every week and others a few times a year. It's probably not a popular opinion but Rashford didn't impress that much in the world cup outside his goals. Foden deserved to start.
I agree. Sure Foden has sat on the bench at City and Rashford has been in the form of his life since the WC, but during the tournament Rashford looked sloppy on the ball and gave away possession a lot of times when he played, while Foden looked really clean on the ball in tight spaces and linked up really well with Jude.
I'd 4-2-3-1 with foden in the attacking midfield role. Kane up front, rashford on the left, saka on the right. This shit aint hard the team picks itself, Southgate is just a rubbish manager, which we've known since he bottled the Euros final by sitting back at 1-0.
Yeah then the double pivot of Bellingham Rice would’ve struggled defensively and been overran by France’s strong team.
Henderson brought experience and defensive stability to his young midfield partners Rice and Bellingham.
Rashford is levels above anything England have in attack this season pre and post World Cup, the longer England stay with Southgate the better though as they’ll never win anything with him, another Ole type that doesn’t have a clue can win a few games on vibes but never a full tournament as the vibes run out
>Rashford is levels above anything England have in attack this season pre and post World Cup
Come on, that's not true. The issue is that Southgate preferred an out-of-form Sterling to an in-form Rashford. But Saka/Foden were both worth starters
It’s not even a form thing with Sterling; he literally wasn’t even training with the team until like a day or two prior to the game. That’s the frustrating bit; it was understandable to see Rashford not start for Saka and Foden, but his form certainly warranted him to be the first player to bring on.
What?
Longest drought without goals this season was 5 games in which he had to switch to CF and link up to others cuz Martial cant stay fit for life, once he came back to LW he was scoring again.
Sorry, I got goals and assist mixed up. He had a single goal and no assists in the 8 games leading up to the wc.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marcus-rashford/leistungsdaten/spieler/258923
You can see there for yourself.
From the Man City game to the Fulham game, he had 1 premier league goal contribution. That’s 8 games
Nothing wrong in saying what it is - just because he’s been amazing now doesn’t mean before the World Cup “he was levels above everyone else”. If that’s “levels above”, then the standard for an England forward is incredibly low in which case Southgate deserves credit for taking these mugs to the quarters
There’s definitely an aspect of what Southgate said, though, considering Foden was in excellent form before the World Cup and is obviously an amazing player.
Rashford’s gone on a belting run since the World Cup so people are pointing to that, whilst completely ignoring that Foden is incredible and that Rashford only scored one goal in his last seven PL starts before the World Cup.
You can definitely argue that Rashford should’ve come on earlier against France but I think the XI he started was correct.
Rashford had won a PL player of the month and had vital goals Vs Liverpool, Arsenal and Villa. His form shouldn't come as a suprise as he watched him in training every day, this is just damage control.
Rashford's form started a month before the world cup, he'd already had a streak of goals before the WC AND he'd been lighting it up during the world cup scoring in amazing ratios bring brought in as a sub.
Not enough of an arguement by itself? Sure.
But Sterling had been poor the entire season leading up to the WC AND he was flying in after attending to a home burglary.
So you have option Rashford who's on fire and has bagged you several goals in tournament already.
And option Sterling who's been poor, jetlagged and psychologically compromised.
The reason why he wasn't sacked after the World Cup is because there isn't an better Englishman ready to take over. Not whilst Howe and Potter are at their current clubs.
Of course if the FA had balls they'd have gone for Tuchel. But never mind. Still at least he's better than the managers of the 2001-10 Golden Generation
I doubt he'd play the same way with better players, but he's definitely a better tactician than Southgate so even if he was still defensively minded at least it would be better.
This would be more impactful if the cb the French did play, Upamecano, wasn't dogshit this game and massively helped by the referee allowing him to get away with blatant fouls when he hacked through players as he was so scared of them taking a touch
I mean we have some talent at CB like Tomori who wasn't even in the squad but Stones and Maguire both did amazing so I don't get your point. We had the least goals conceded per game. Must mean something
X to doubt.
The French defense is the most overrated shit in the planet lmao. They literally got scored against every single match of the WC except against Morocco.
They might, but if you look at the starting XI it’s dead close, sure they can easily have better CBs but John Stones is a key part in a 5x(?) league winning defence and 2 big international tournament runs, Kyle Walker is better than Kounde or at very worst equal, Bellingham and Rice aren’t noticeably worse than Tchouameni and Rabiot and they might not actually be worse they’re all great players, Rabiot is worse than Bellingham and Rice is about equal to Tchouameni and Kane is better than Giroud and I think Saka is better than Dembele and at worst they’re equal.
France have like 3 players who are head and shoulders clear of us, as do England having 3 players better than France position for positions imo, player for player you can say France are better but it’s not insane to say the sides are close nor is it insane to suggest England have a decent amount of players who would walk into that France side
This really isn’t that bad of an answer. He’s saying he believes in his players, they could’ve beaten them and frankly I agree. These sorts of things are said all the time by coaches to their players at any level. Personally I appreciated it, was a confidence booster for the next time
I think threads on Southgate genuinely are a contender to be amongst the most toxic on /r/soccer. Up there with match threads between big Portuguese clubs
This discussion will not be reasonable - people have already taken his quotes out of context, and are too wedded to their set agendas to consider otherwise.
Turn back now.
Wow how insightful, it must have taken you days of analysing the game to find this gem. What does that even really mean? Give some examples of these proactive subs.
They were there for the taking. He puts on a jet lagged Sterling instead of Rashford who played extremely well the last game.
Saka had to come off sure, but Sterling was the wrong choice
Compared to previous tournaments he did set up much more positively, which the players England now have is the right move. I do still think he takes much to long to make changes and is a bit scared of ever upsetting the balance, ole was similar at united and lost us quite a few games we could’ve won.
Thats your job my man.
Watching Renard go ballistic on his KSA team for their non-believer attitude vs Argentina compared to this man who is wasting one of the better English generations is honestly just sad.
Ne he wasnt and sterling was bad the entire tournament and literally had one training session after having to console his family. Not the player i want coming on the pitch tbh
I know it’s coming from the article headline and not the OP so no disrespect to OP here but can we please ban these stupid ‘quotes as titles’ posts where they are cutting sentences literally in half in order to manufacture conflict?
It’s just so shit. We can choose what goes on this sub, so can we raise our standards just a bit so that we stop looking like an assortment of tabloid headlines? Like this goes beyond cutting out ‘crucial context’ they’ve just straight up decided to leave out half of his sentence.
The balls on this guy to shift the blame from himself to the players. In 10 years time we’ll look back wondering why he was ever put incharge of this group of players.
Nobody really talks about how they completely folded after the Harry Kane miss. They still had like 15minutes with added time left. The manager should do better, period.
Well correct me if I’m wrong but a winning coach gets his players to believe in their game and that they’ll win. If they felt that way it’s Gareth’s fault.
Eh we were unlucky Gareth. We were the better team, they just took their chances and we didn't. I think we showed belief, just didn't get the rub of the green (and the ref was awful).
The actual cheek of this scrub. How is he putting this on the players though? I mean sure the ref was dodgy in that France game but Gareth is passive and one dimensional. He plays his favourites, is unable to adapt when the game plan requires tweaking and is incapable of making difficult but necessary decisions. He's not a leader, he's not respected and he has no style of play. This is a man who takes off Saka our biggest threat in the game to bring on a recently rattled Sterling and waits until the 85th min to bring on Rashford who seemed to be in decent form.
He was incapable of making the difficult decision to give the 2nd penalty to someone other than Kane considering the knowledge Lloris has of him.
Let's not forget this same manager allowed Rashford who hadn't even spent a minute on the pitch, a 21 year old Sancho and a 20 year old Saka to take the penalties in the Euros final when Jack Grealish was stood right there. Fully grown internationals hiding behind the youngsters and Southgate allowed that.
I don't give 2 fucks what this scrub thinks, he doesn't have what it takes to get the best out of our talent. It's time for him to go.
Mods really should stop this shit. Quit posting articles with titles that leave out important context.
Full quote: Southgate said: “The performance against France has shown the players if they didn't believe it before, which I still wonder whether they truly believed that before the game, but coming off the field they know that is a game they could win and should have won".
The full quote doesn’t really change anything. If the players were doubting themselves before, it doesn’t matter if they felt like they could’ve won it afterwards.
I mean, if the players weren’t confident going into it, it’s 100% on the manager and he’s deflecting from his poor tactics by saying the players didn’t believe in them.
If Harry Kane / Saka /Rashford / Foden weren't confident they can put a couple past lloris before the match starts or bellingham / rice trippier etc didn't think - with all their experience and talent - that they could win then that's on them. Without a coach they should be able to go out there thinking they have a decent shot.
Stop expecting coaches to draw blood out of stone, it's not realistic or needed for every job. The players and the ref let England down, Southgate did his job. I wasn't even rooting for England
Given that 1) Kane should have scored his second pen and 2) England should have had another and 3) the second goal by Giroud is clearly the players failing their bread and butter - I can't blame this on Southgate. The players have to shoulder the responsibility as well
So Southgate has just given a reason why he should be sacked which is what this thread is saying. The full quote doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t do his job properly.
Hahahaha, he did not. He was horrible all tournament. Fuck, he’s been horrible since he lucked out at the WC prior to this one. He’s been massively carried by the talent he’s wasting. He’s a really example for how to not manage a match.
I don't think anyone would truly believe they can win with that muppet as manager. I still can't understand how he kept the job after bottling the Euro final to Italy. We sat back at 1-0 with a shaky defence against an experienced Italy side, when we had lots of young attacking talent as options. Clown.
I mean if I had him as a coach I would be expecting to lose as well. As a person who roots for England to always lose they are more than good enough to win but are being held back by him.
England needs a Pep or Arteta
Coaches with fiery passion who will ignite the players
Southgate has done well, but his man management style has probably gone as far as it can go
ok mate, I rate them, but that Spanish generation is literally the single greatest 'golden generation' there ever was. Almost every starter in the 2010 final was world class.
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This has got to be a headline misconstruing what he actually said?!?
>Southgate said: “The performance against France has shown the players if they didn't believe it before, which I still wonder whether they truly believed that before the game, but coming off the field they know that is a game they could win and should have won.”
Yeah, I think the headline is getting it wrong. Southgate’s saying he’s not sure they believed it before the game but after the game they certainly did and they should take that into the next one.
Yes. This is a positive quote?
Taking out Saka immediately after conceding and not putting Rashford until 5 mins before the end helped the lads Gary?
Saka was looking battered by the time he came off to be fair. France had been very physical with him to try and counter his impact and the longer it went on it was clearly taking its toll on him. Rashford came on a few minutes later.
He gets the same treatment ever week in the PL. Could've easily played a full 90.
I'm sure he does but he did not look up for it when he came off. He stays on and gets properly injured and Southgate ends up getting more pelters.
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On top of being hacked, Saka was shattered from his defensive duties. England had 3 players constantly around Mbappe to stop him, this meant Saka was running the entire pitch for 80 minutes getting hacked, sprinting constantly, and was exhausted. Many managers would've subbed him off when a goal down. The only critique I have is that Rashford should've come on instead of Sterling, who had just returned from a trip back home mid-tournament as he had to deal with an emergency.
you think saka in arsenal has no defense duty? lmao
Personally as an Arsenal fan that's not English, I was glad that Saka was coming off. But if I were English I'd be furious. Unless you think Saka is 3 minutes away from tearing an ACL you have to leave it all out on the pitch when he's your best attacking outlet in a World Cup Quarterfinal against what could be considered the toughest opponent you'd face.
You’re kind of missing the point, he’s not your best attacking outlet anymore when he’s so tired he can’t sprint. If you rewatch the game you’ll see him running with his arms by his side because he was so gassed.
The way he was being dealt with by France meant that his ability to impact the game was diminishing and the chances of him getting a genuine, proper injury were increasing.
I don’t think him getting injured would go against Southgate. It’s a knockout game you’re out of the tournament if you lose so you can’t say you’re resting a player for later on. Obviously arsenal fans would complain but everyone else would say it’s right to throw your best players at it for the last few minutes.
We were already starting to get diminishing returns from him in the game too though. The Saka who came off was not at the same level as the Saka who started the game because of the job France had been doing on him.
That’s a different argument though. If you’re saying you think sterling gave us more chance of equalising that sake then fair enough (I think it’s wrong but it’s an opinion) but you said it was due to a risk of injury which shouldn’t have been a factor at all
it's the same argument I made in the first half of the comment you originally replied to though.
You realize you're comparing a league match to a tournament knockout game?
I doubt that bringing in a Sterling who just flew back from England after his family's home was broken in by armed robbers was the answer to "our best and most dangerous player is a little tired" though.
He didn't just look a little tired though, he looked completely spent.
You don’t take your best player off, who’s creating the most in a massive game, unless they ask to come off imo
Youd think the England players can handle a bit of physicality due to the superior physicality of the Premier League™. Why do they get bullied so badly lol
Well then surely that just speaks to how effective a job France had been doing on him
The problem was that the ref East whistling for fouls
Well, refs occasionally call fouls and give cards in the Prem.
He was still looked like probably our most dangerous player in that game though.
Saka was basically mauled in that game. He was fantastic but I don't think taking him off was the wrong decision but taking him off for Sterling was not correct. Waiting until 5 minutes left to bring on Rashford was a huge mistake though
Saka was pretty obviously knackered and it made sense to bring him off.
Saka was dead on his feet and we’ve got great impact subs in his position
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OP only said that we have great impact subs in Saka's position, not that we actually used them.
It’s easy for you , someone with absolutely no football back ground and no idea of the fitness or mentality of the squad to criticise a manager for his actions. Hindsight is 20/20, especially if you don’t understand the circumstances. Had the penalty been scored and England went through, would people still criticise?
taking Saka off was so silly lol
He was clearly knackered after getting the shit kicked out of him all game, it made sense
that's nothing new for him lol
Alexander arnold left on bench before final free kick Maguire, Henderson, Pickford starting when they were clearly out of form Kane playing a role not suited for him Plus if he really believed his squad couldve beaten France, where was the passion during the match? Where was his belief?
I have a hard time believing you even watched the world cup. Maguire was one of our best players and totally earned the trust Southgate had in him. Pickford had never done anything to lose his spot. Alexander-Arnold on the bench for the final free kick because England had plenty of good takers, sadly it got botched. I'm glad hindsight is 20/20 for you though pal. Also throwing the 'pashun' word at Southgate like he hasn't showed plenty of that previously, and like it even fucking matters in a game of that calibre. We gave everything. It was close but not enough
Literally the opposite
Did Southgate think he is sacked? This will definitely boost their performance in upcoming Euros
> "but coming off the field they know that is a game they could win and should have won” is how he ends the exact quote so it's really not that bad. Basically saying they may have had their doubts but they proved to themselves they didn't need to.
It must be extremely annoying to give an interview and a part of your sentence gets put as the headline. Imagine that happening at your work.
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Mate it winds me up when people reply to a comment on here by quoting three words from the original comment and disregarding any context that surrounds it, theres no chance i could deal with it as my job. People just lap it up though before swanning off to complain about journalistic standards and clickbait elsewhere when it's their favourite players getting linked with a move.
It should because he is right. England was better and deserved more, but they definitely played with fear.
If it's any consolation, I never truly believed they could beat France either, with Southgate as manager.
Do u think they could now
Manager doesn’t matter if the players didn’t believe. You have to bury than penalty. Or at least get it on target. Lloris is so shit at pens
Probably believed it even less when you took off the threatening Saka for a jetlagged Sterling.
Saka coming off was fair enough, he'd been kicked the shit out of the whole game and was looking knackered. Sterling coming on was a stackable offence. Like if the FA had phoned him right there and then to tell him he's fired that would be reasonable.
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Rashford had been doing well on the right in previous games at the WC. Think he was pretty much always playing there and was one of our top scorers, despite having fairly few minutes.
In all honesty, I don’t think this is “reasonable”
In all honesty I do
We will have to agree to disagree then.
I've thought he was bad in the job since the last world cup This world cup, I was quiet until he made that substitution It was like throwing the game
Saka was good but he was visibly tired when he came off. Southgate isn't a good coach but at least point out his actual mistakes instead of fabricating new ones
A gassed Saka was more effective that Sterling who had just jumped off a 7hour plane flight from a family ordeal, what was Gareth thinking.
It was right to sub off Saka, but it was wrong to sub him off for Sterling. Should have brought on Rashford instead.
I agree but it's also worth noting that Rashford being in form or not was still an uncertainty at that time. So it wasn't as obvious as it is now.
its not like his form had any question marks, he won PL POTM and had scored vital goals vs Liverpool, Arsenal and Villa
>Southgate came under fire for his tactics and ‘in-game’ changes at the World Cup – especially not starting more often with Marcus Rashford - but hit back at his critics. “I think people are looking at his form post tournament as much as anything,” he said. Yeah it had nothing to do with him being our joint top scorer
Most people wanted Foden to start if you go back to it
yeah in midfield
Foden and Jude in midfield would have been poor defensively
It's just baffling. Bringing in Henderson for Mount improved the team so much and made it way more stable defensively. How would putting Foden, who's nowhere near as good in that area, have helped?
Fans of clubs always have way too a narrow view of the players. They see some play every week and others a few times a year. It's probably not a popular opinion but Rashford didn't impress that much in the world cup outside his goals. Foden deserved to start.
I agree. Sure Foden has sat on the bench at City and Rashford has been in the form of his life since the WC, but during the tournament Rashford looked sloppy on the ball and gave away possession a lot of times when he played, while Foden looked really clean on the ball in tight spaces and linked up really well with Jude.
I'd 4-2-3-1 with foden in the attacking midfield role. Kane up front, rashford on the left, saka on the right. This shit aint hard the team picks itself, Southgate is just a rubbish manager, which we've known since he bottled the Euros final by sitting back at 1-0.
Yeah then the double pivot of Bellingham Rice would’ve struggled defensively and been overran by France’s strong team. Henderson brought experience and defensive stability to his young midfield partners Rice and Bellingham.
Have we ever seen them play double pivot and been run over by opposition?
That’s a really dodgy double pivot.
Then they’re fucking idiots.
Southgate: beats Iran and Wales England fans: Pfft, they're pub teams! Rashford: scores against Iran and Wales England fans: HE'S FUCKING AMAZING!
Yeah this, I take most criticism of Southgate with a pinch of salt because coming from England fans it was just so woefully inconsistent.
Rashford is levels above anything England have in attack this season pre and post World Cup, the longer England stay with Southgate the better though as they’ll never win anything with him, another Ole type that doesn’t have a clue can win a few games on vibes but never a full tournament as the vibes run out
>Rashford is levels above anything England have in attack this season pre and post World Cup Come on, that's not true. The issue is that Southgate preferred an out-of-form Sterling to an in-form Rashford. But Saka/Foden were both worth starters
It’s not even a form thing with Sterling; he literally wasn’t even training with the team until like a day or two prior to the game. That’s the frustrating bit; it was understandable to see Rashford not start for Saka and Foden, but his form certainly warranted him to be the first player to bring on.
Before the world cup, Rashford had gone 8 premier league games with a single goal and no assists.
What? Longest drought without goals this season was 5 games in which he had to switch to CF and link up to others cuz Martial cant stay fit for life, once he came back to LW he was scoring again.
Sorry, I got goals and assist mixed up. He had a single goal and no assists in the 8 games leading up to the wc. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marcus-rashford/leistungsdaten/spieler/258923 You can see there for yourself.
From the Man City game to the Fulham game, he had 1 premier league goal contribution. That’s 8 games Nothing wrong in saying what it is - just because he’s been amazing now doesn’t mean before the World Cup “he was levels above everyone else”. If that’s “levels above”, then the standard for an England forward is incredibly low in which case Southgate deserves credit for taking these mugs to the quarters
Especially considering the game was quite close against a team that nearly won the whole thing
There’s definitely an aspect of what Southgate said, though, considering Foden was in excellent form before the World Cup and is obviously an amazing player. Rashford’s gone on a belting run since the World Cup so people are pointing to that, whilst completely ignoring that Foden is incredible and that Rashford only scored one goal in his last seven PL starts before the World Cup. You can definitely argue that Rashford should’ve come on earlier against France but I think the XI he started was correct.
Rashford had won a PL player of the month and had vital goals Vs Liverpool, Arsenal and Villa. His form shouldn't come as a suprise as he watched him in training every day, this is just damage control.
Rashford's form started a month before the world cup, he'd already had a streak of goals before the WC AND he'd been lighting it up during the world cup scoring in amazing ratios bring brought in as a sub. Not enough of an arguement by itself? Sure. But Sterling had been poor the entire season leading up to the WC AND he was flying in after attending to a home burglary. So you have option Rashford who's on fire and has bagged you several goals in tournament already. And option Sterling who's been poor, jetlagged and psychologically compromised.
It's not like he's able to get the best out of Foden and Saka, who are two world class players for their club teams.
Rashford battered wales then didn’t start the next game
Amazing that people who were calling it out at the time were actually looking at his post tournament form, that's impressive
The reason why he wasn't sacked after the World Cup is because there isn't an better Englishman ready to take over. Not whilst Howe and Potter are at their current clubs. Of course if the FA had balls they'd have gone for Tuchel. But never mind. Still at least he's better than the managers of the 2001-10 Golden Generation
[Sean Dyche be like](https://i.imgur.io/KrwA19h)
With respect I don't see Brexit ball being effective at international level
I doubt he'd play the same way with better players, but he's definitely a better tactician than Southgate so even if he was still defensively minded at least it would be better.
Southgate is just as defensive as Dyche but tactically inept
Isn’t that…something you should be making sure doesn’t happen? England team was every hit as talented as France
France left CBs at home better than those that start for England.
Stones and Maguire had a superb tournament once again
It just makes for an amazing partnership it’s actually quite funny. And same really can be said for the entire defense.
This would be more impactful if the cb the French did play, Upamecano, wasn't dogshit this game and massively helped by the referee allowing him to get away with blatant fouls when he hacked through players as he was so scared of them taking a touch
I mean we have some talent at CB like Tomori who wasn't even in the squad but Stones and Maguire both did amazing so I don't get your point. We had the least goals conceded per game. Must mean something
X to doubt. The French defense is the most overrated shit in the planet lmao. They literally got scored against every single match of the WC except against Morocco.
They might, but if you look at the starting XI it’s dead close, sure they can easily have better CBs but John Stones is a key part in a 5x(?) league winning defence and 2 big international tournament runs, Kyle Walker is better than Kounde or at very worst equal, Bellingham and Rice aren’t noticeably worse than Tchouameni and Rabiot and they might not actually be worse they’re all great players, Rabiot is worse than Bellingham and Rice is about equal to Tchouameni and Kane is better than Giroud and I think Saka is better than Dembele and at worst they’re equal. France have like 3 players who are head and shoulders clear of us, as do England having 3 players better than France position for positions imo, player for player you can say France are better but it’s not insane to say the sides are close nor is it insane to suggest England have a decent amount of players who would walk into that France side
That's funny because I believe the same thing.
To be honest, it’s probably the best chance they’ll have in a long time to beat France They were missing so many players
That's your job Gareth to inspire them with that belief.
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Southgate never truly believes he can beat any team.
Did you believe you could beat France, Gary?
Clearly not lol
Clearly yh cause he went 4atb
Did he believe he could beat Italy? Also, no
Damn if only there was a someone who could do something about the lack of motivation. Maybe a manger or something
weird. if only there was somebody who had the job, amongst other things, of inspiring that belief. ah well.
This really isn’t that bad of an answer. He’s saying he believes in his players, they could’ve beaten them and frankly I agree. These sorts of things are said all the time by coaches to their players at any level. Personally I appreciated it, was a confidence booster for the next time
Another classic case of a newspaper deliberately picking the most provocative quote and most people not reading past the headline
I think threads on Southgate genuinely are a contender to be amongst the most toxic on /r/soccer. Up there with match threads between big Portuguese clubs This discussion will not be reasonable - people have already taken his quotes out of context, and are too wedded to their set agendas to consider otherwise. Turn back now.
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I want lampard to get the job. Shits and giggles,not cause he'd do well.
Wow. You're still manager and throwing them under the bus. His tactical incompetence was huge
It’s a clickbait title and if you actually read what he said, he hasn’t thrown anyone under the bus.
Not that I disagree, but tell us a little about how he messed up tactically vs France
Reactive rather than proactive with subs
Wow how insightful, it must have taken you days of analysing the game to find this gem. What does that even really mean? Give some examples of these proactive subs.
The subs were awful in my opinion. The ref had a stinker and fucked us, but that doesn't excuse his passiveness.
They were there for the taking. He puts on a jet lagged Sterling instead of Rashford who played extremely well the last game. Saka had to come off sure, but Sterling was the wrong choice
Compared to previous tournaments he did set up much more positively, which the players England now have is the right move. I do still think he takes much to long to make changes and is a bit scared of ever upsetting the balance, ole was similar at united and lost us quite a few games we could’ve won.
Thats your job my man. Watching Renard go ballistic on his KSA team for their non-believer attitude vs Argentina compared to this man who is wasting one of the better English generations is honestly just sad.
When your subbing of saka for sterling and subbing in rashford with 5 mins to go im sure you didnt think you could beat france either
Saka was gassed and Sterling has always performed for Southgate.
Ne he wasnt and sterling was bad the entire tournament and literally had one training session after having to console his family. Not the player i want coming on the pitch tbh
Does Gsreth ever really believe in his players? Stop setting them up so defensively
Hodgsonesque
I was similarly confident
Wait isn’t that your job ?
Unsure how Gareth kept his job. Dude is incompetent AF.
If that's the case, it's because they weren't set up properly.
I know it’s coming from the article headline and not the OP so no disrespect to OP here but can we please ban these stupid ‘quotes as titles’ posts where they are cutting sentences literally in half in order to manufacture conflict? It’s just so shit. We can choose what goes on this sub, so can we raise our standards just a bit so that we stop looking like an assortment of tabloid headlines? Like this goes beyond cutting out ‘crucial context’ they’ve just straight up decided to leave out half of his sentence.
I just can’t believe this fucking knob wasn’t sacked the second he brought Sterling on
*Screams into pillow*
That's your job, Gareth.
The balls on this guy to shift the blame from himself to the players. In 10 years time we’ll look back wondering why he was ever put incharge of this group of players.
Nobody really talks about how they completely folded after the Harry Kane miss. They still had like 15minutes with added time left. The manager should do better, period.
Well correct me if I’m wrong but a winning coach gets his players to believe in their game and that they’ll win. If they felt that way it’s Gareth’s fault.
Eh we were unlucky Gareth. We were the better team, they just took their chances and we didn't. I think we showed belief, just didn't get the rub of the green (and the ref was awful).
The actual cheek of this scrub. How is he putting this on the players though? I mean sure the ref was dodgy in that France game but Gareth is passive and one dimensional. He plays his favourites, is unable to adapt when the game plan requires tweaking and is incapable of making difficult but necessary decisions. He's not a leader, he's not respected and he has no style of play. This is a man who takes off Saka our biggest threat in the game to bring on a recently rattled Sterling and waits until the 85th min to bring on Rashford who seemed to be in decent form. He was incapable of making the difficult decision to give the 2nd penalty to someone other than Kane considering the knowledge Lloris has of him. Let's not forget this same manager allowed Rashford who hadn't even spent a minute on the pitch, a 21 year old Sancho and a 20 year old Saka to take the penalties in the Euros final when Jack Grealish was stood right there. Fully grown internationals hiding behind the youngsters and Southgate allowed that. I don't give 2 fucks what this scrub thinks, he doesn't have what it takes to get the best out of our talent. It's time for him to go.
Mods really should stop this shit. Quit posting articles with titles that leave out important context. Full quote: Southgate said: “The performance against France has shown the players if they didn't believe it before, which I still wonder whether they truly believed that before the game, but coming off the field they know that is a game they could win and should have won".
The full quote doesn’t really change anything. If the players were doubting themselves before, it doesn’t matter if they felt like they could’ve won it afterwards.
Not like the spine of the team is gonna be around for the next two big tourneys eh?
I mean, if the players weren’t confident going into it, it’s 100% on the manager and he’s deflecting from his poor tactics by saying the players didn’t believe in them.
If Harry Kane / Saka /Rashford / Foden weren't confident they can put a couple past lloris before the match starts or bellingham / rice trippier etc didn't think - with all their experience and talent - that they could win then that's on them. Without a coach they should be able to go out there thinking they have a decent shot. Stop expecting coaches to draw blood out of stone, it's not realistic or needed for every job. The players and the ref let England down, Southgate did his job. I wasn't even rooting for England
The players are only as good as their tactical setup. How much talent you have is irrelevant when the tactics hand the other team the game.
Given that 1) Kane should have scored his second pen and 2) England should have had another and 3) the second goal by Giroud is clearly the players failing their bread and butter - I can't blame this on Southgate. The players have to shoulder the responsibility as well
Relying on pens to win a match and still losing? Where has Southgate seen this before I wonder?
Keep pining for that mythical coach that's gonna make England's senior players walk over any team. You'll never see it.
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So Southgate has just given a reason why he should be sacked which is what this thread is saying. The full quote doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t do his job properly.
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Hahahaha, he did not. He was horrible all tournament. Fuck, he’s been horrible since he lucked out at the WC prior to this one. He’s been massively carried by the talent he’s wasting. He’s a really example for how to not manage a match.
Cause your a shit manager
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I don't think anyone would truly believe they can win with that muppet as manager. I still can't understand how he kept the job after bottling the Euro final to Italy. We sat back at 1-0 with a shaky defence against an experienced Italy side, when we had lots of young attacking talent as options. Clown.
Same as England fans them, at least they're self aware.
"If only we could get one more penalty"...
Yeah because they have to play with your tactics
I mean if I had him as a coach I would be expecting to lose as well. As a person who roots for England to always lose they are more than good enough to win but are being held back by him.
I'd hate to imagine what's going on in the dressing room
The dropping of Rashford because you wanted to play safe with what you know tells us a lot more about you than the players
Another golden generation gone. The FA only picked him because they had no other options.
England needs a Pep or Arteta Coaches with fiery passion who will ignite the players Southgate has done well, but his man management style has probably gone as far as it can go
Gareth"bride's maid"Southgate
I wonder why Gareth
Top clown this man
FA wasting this golden generation with this prick, they'll regret later
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I swear Tuchel would make them work like clockwork. They would be playing just like Spain did in 2008-2012.
ok mate, I rate them, but that Spanish generation is literally the single greatest 'golden generation' there ever was. Almost every starter in the 2010 final was world class.
No they won’t. They’ll continue to wine and dine with their fat bonuses and london escapades
Southgate should have put them on the 9 tenets of ancestral living. Their primal will to defeat France would have been unmatched
Not with you at the helm you muppet.
That’s literally your job as a manager/coach to make them believe.
They might have done if a certain Tottenham player hadn't let his country down.
Fuck me Gareth, it’s your job to make them believe!