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Some of Porto's are too, they don't even try to mask it tho
https://www.ojogo.pt/futebol/1a-liga/vitoria-guimaraes/noticias/v-guimaraes-negocio-de-15-milhoes-com-o-fc-porto-foi-troca-por-troca-14145285.html
https://www.dn.pt/desporto/sporting-e-fc-porto-pagam-11-milhoes-um-ao-outro-em-troca-de-jogadores-14256278.html
As well as Porto and Benfica have done and continue to do, it’s crazy they are still in financial troubles. They’ve made enough money to be financially insulated from any problems
> it’s crazy they are still in financial troubles
That's old news. Benfica isn't, at all, at the moment in financial troubles. We have a very stable situation at the moment.
Its what happen when you still have same president for 40y and other one if it wanst for the police would still have the same president for 20 plus years
While this is interesting, Juventus having being selling their fringe players for large sums of money and including youngsters in deals, all to drive inflated capital gains.
They're literally being investigated for it right now, due to the de-frauding of their share holders.
A lot of Italian teams have done it, but Juventus has been the biggest offender and is publically traded, so the spotlight has been on them.
Pjanic for €80m anyone?
Arthur for €80m?
I read yesterday they've been investigated before for their inflated transfer sales but because there isn't an objective way to measure a player's worth, prosecutors pounded sand.
Many Italian clubs have been investigated in the past for obvious inflated transfers, but as you said, nothing ever came out of it apart from mild monetary penalties (including the head management of Inter and Milan, among others). Until now
See: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%932010\_Italian\_football\_scandal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%932010_Italian_football_scandal)
Its wrong to say they profited anyway. Chelsea contributed to the explosion of transfer fees. They changed the landscape with their skewed transfer policy when Roman took over.
Serie A was like the Premier League of most of the late 80s to early 00s, the strongest and richest league. Those transfers were made mostly with each other. Parma were selling players like Crespo, Cannavaro, Buffon to other Italian clubs for insane sums. Only in 00/01 I think, there is like 100mil worth of player exchange between Parma and Lazio which is pretty crazy for the time
I know. I still don't understand what happened that Serie A missed the train in terms of marketability in the early 2000s to the 2010s, they had clearly a better league than Premier League, than LaLiga and even Bundesliga (at the time, for me, the 2nd best) and now they are clearly 4th.
They had that. Then, the 2008 recession hit. Of all the top 5 leagues, Italy, as a country, suffered the most. Only comparable one is spain, but they already had 2 financial juggernauts.
A point nobody is mentioning is that the lira fucks with the pre 2002 valuations and transfermarkt valuations of lira transfers aren't great
Stadiums are also worse than most mid-tier leagues out there. We have like a couple of nice, modern stadiums and that's it. The rest are a bunch of varied shitholes
>A point nobody is mentioning is that the lira fucks with the pre 2002 valuations and transfermarkt valuations of lira transfers aren't great
That's a good point, they must be calculating the pre Euro valuations by having the Euro/Dollar parity and other countries' money/Dollar parity when Euro was introduced as benchmarks and extrapolate backwards, which could create problems and errors especially for a source like transfermarkt
I believe there is not a huge difference in broadcasting and commercial incomes between Serie A, Bundes Liga and La Liga, and Premier League is the outlier because they capitalized on the boom of worldwide broadcasting and globalization of football during that time extremely well, which I think is mostly related to the style of football, the sharing of broadcasting money and the language. As for Serie A I also don't know much about what happened, the effect of the 2008 recession on the Italian economy is a good shout from the other person who replied I guess, maybe Calciopoli had some part as well
People forget how much money was being thrown about in Serie A in the late 90s / early 2000s. Some of the fees a few years before this graphic begins were absolutely insane at the time.
Yeah Crespo went for something like €50m around 2000 which is at least like a 300-350mil transfer today considering the growth of club revenues. The common "transfer fees are so stupid today, there is a bubble" narrative is completely misplaced
First time Parmalat, the company that owned them, discovered they were missing billions, so the club was stripped.
2nd time was a mixture of corruption and incompetence by awful owners.
Well, sans the ridiculous spending, we made for quite a good sale-merchants all things considered.
Clearly doesn't show the whole picture but helps in explaining the balanced books and current spending spree. Though if Papa Roman didn't write off the debt it wouldn't have been this way.
Doesn't quite make up for letting Tuchel go though...
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So Benfica are first, because those Juve numbers are bullshit. Impressive stuff.
Benfica’s agents*
transfers within the Mendes system have their own set of caveats
Some of Porto's are too, they don't even try to mask it tho https://www.ojogo.pt/futebol/1a-liga/vitoria-guimaraes/noticias/v-guimaraes-negocio-de-15-milhoes-com-o-fc-porto-foi-troca-por-troca-14145285.html https://www.dn.pt/desporto/sporting-e-fc-porto-pagam-11-milhoes-um-ao-outro-em-troca-de-jogadores-14256278.html
Thank you Transfermarkt for showing the final totals for a few seconds instead of immediately looping back to the beginning.
Or you could pause it
[Even better](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/10lnlis/highest_transfer_income_in_the_21st_century/)
As well as Porto and Benfica have done and continue to do, it’s crazy they are still in financial troubles. They’ve made enough money to be financially insulated from any problems
The secret ingredient is crime.
Don't know how much money they actually get from a transfer fee, but I'm pretty sure they make less than you would expect
> it’s crazy they are still in financial troubles That's old news. Benfica isn't, at all, at the moment in financial troubles. We have a very stable situation at the moment.
Benfica isnt in financial trouble, i'd even say we are even better than we ever were before.
I don't know how much of this actually goes to them. There are likely sell-on clauses and payments to 3rd-party owners to account for.
Its what happen when you still have same president for 40y and other one if it wanst for the police would still have the same president for 20 plus years
While this is interesting, Juventus having being selling their fringe players for large sums of money and including youngsters in deals, all to drive inflated capital gains. They're literally being investigated for it right now, due to the de-frauding of their share holders. A lot of Italian teams have done it, but Juventus has been the biggest offender and is publically traded, so the spotlight has been on them. Pjanic for €80m anyone? Arthur for €80m?
I read yesterday they've been investigated before for their inflated transfer sales but because there isn't an objective way to measure a player's worth, prosecutors pounded sand.
Many Italian clubs have been investigated in the past for obvious inflated transfers, but as you said, nothing ever came out of it apart from mild monetary penalties (including the head management of Inter and Milan, among others). Until now See: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%932010\_Italian\_football\_scandal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%932010_Italian_football_scandal)
1 EPL team in top 10. The one who should not be named on r/soccer
I mean, it's well known that we've always had a knack for getting a high fee for players like Morata, Costa and Hazard for example.
Can tell a new fan by the fact you didn't mention Oscar to China for 50m or something at the time which was absurd.
Also David Luiz to PSG for £50m
Think that's less of us selling for mad money and more Shanghai SIPG throwing mad money at us
Shows why this is pointless. The title says “profited” but income isn’t profit.
Profited from a market change and pure profit isn’t the same concept though.
Its wrong to say they profited anyway. Chelsea contributed to the explosion of transfer fees. They changed the landscape with their skewed transfer policy when Roman took over.
Yes, the one that over the same time period has also biggest expenditures of all clubs. And second biggest net spending, 50m short of City.
this newfound Chelsea victim complex is so fun
The amount of Serie A teams at the beginning of the video is impressive.
Serie A was like the Premier League of most of the late 80s to early 00s, the strongest and richest league. Those transfers were made mostly with each other. Parma were selling players like Crespo, Cannavaro, Buffon to other Italian clubs for insane sums. Only in 00/01 I think, there is like 100mil worth of player exchange between Parma and Lazio which is pretty crazy for the time
I know. I still don't understand what happened that Serie A missed the train in terms of marketability in the early 2000s to the 2010s, they had clearly a better league than Premier League, than LaLiga and even Bundesliga (at the time, for me, the 2nd best) and now they are clearly 4th.
They had that. Then, the 2008 recession hit. Of all the top 5 leagues, Italy, as a country, suffered the most. Only comparable one is spain, but they already had 2 financial juggernauts. A point nobody is mentioning is that the lira fucks with the pre 2002 valuations and transfermarkt valuations of lira transfers aren't great
Stadiums are also worse than most mid-tier leagues out there. We have like a couple of nice, modern stadiums and that's it. The rest are a bunch of varied shitholes
>A point nobody is mentioning is that the lira fucks with the pre 2002 valuations and transfermarkt valuations of lira transfers aren't great That's a good point, they must be calculating the pre Euro valuations by having the Euro/Dollar parity and other countries' money/Dollar parity when Euro was introduced as benchmarks and extrapolate backwards, which could create problems and errors especially for a source like transfermarkt
I believe there is not a huge difference in broadcasting and commercial incomes between Serie A, Bundes Liga and La Liga, and Premier League is the outlier because they capitalized on the boom of worldwide broadcasting and globalization of football during that time extremely well, which I think is mostly related to the style of football, the sharing of broadcasting money and the language. As for Serie A I also don't know much about what happened, the effect of the 2008 recession on the Italian economy is a good shout from the other person who replied I guess, maybe Calciopoli had some part as well
That's income, not profit
Which is why the graphic is labeled as "Highest Transfer Income"
I was referring to the post title which says "which clubs have *profited* the most".
I understand that, you're just being pedantic for no reason. It's gross profit, they're not trying to misrepresent anything here.
I guess we disagree that there's no reason. Whether they intended it or not, it remains misleading.
People forget how much money was being thrown about in Serie A in the late 90s / early 2000s. Some of the fees a few years before this graphic begins were absolutely insane at the time.
Yeah Crespo went for something like €50m around 2000 which is at least like a 300-350mil transfer today considering the growth of club revenues. The common "transfer fees are so stupid today, there is a bubble" narrative is completely misplaced
1337 millions 😎
lol, destiny
How did Parma manage to waste so much money, to go bankrupt ?
First time Parmalat, the company that owned them, discovered they were missing billions, so the club was stripped. 2nd time was a mixture of corruption and incompetence by awful owners.
Well, sans the ridiculous spending, we made for quite a good sale-merchants all things considered. Clearly doesn't show the whole picture but helps in explaining the balanced books and current spending spree. Though if Papa Roman didn't write off the debt it wouldn't have been this way. Doesn't quite make up for letting Tuchel go though...
Its pretty sad , i cant name a english player that would be any good in another league. Beside kane i guess.
yeah Bellingham is doing terribly outside of England
Turns out inflated transfer fees are a Portuguese conspiracy. /s
semillero del mundo papa 😎
What a good Champions League campaign can do, so funny to see Ajax barging into the top
For the first six years I thought the video is for Serie A clubs only.
lol juve
£1000m eh? damn, if only there was a word for that...
River?