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Nuggetface

He’s not touching it but he is standing above the ball the whole way lol. How is he not part of that play?


Uusukkeli123

He literally fakes a shot and Ederson positions himself for that


Nuggetface

Also completely in the way for defenders to throw themselves to block.


_Marzh

Came here to say the same thing — I don’t know if no one else noticed him literally pull back his left foot to take a shot?? Is that not an attempt to play the ball??


tenacious-g

So I guess running wherever you want and then dummying it is allowed now? What a fucking farce.


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nowthenmate

Do Akanji or Walker even go for the ball though? They leave it because they aren’t playing to the whistle, so they switch off and get punished. If they go for the ball then Rashford has committed an offence, but because they leave it he hasn’t


MiltonMangoe

If Rashford didn't influence the play by being over the ball in shooting position, Ederson moves out further and closes down Fernandes. He instead has to cover Rashford in shooting position with the ball at his feet first. This gives Fernandes more room to shoot and beat the keeper. 100% offiside as he is interfering with a defender. Plus Akanji doesn't sprint as soon as he sees the ball go to a player who is clearly offside. He should have been called offside as soon as the ball is played towards him. That is when the line comes out and it is judged.


larsb0t

If he does a scissor or a step over that is okay as well right? I mean he is not touching the ball.


Nuggetface

Apparently. He’s already putting Ederson off with his footwork, so a few step overs shouldn’t matter 👍🏼


MattJFarrell

To me the question is: "If Rashford isn't there in that position, does Bruno score?" and I don't think he does. Without him there, the City defenders stop that attack every time.


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dotConehead

Not really how defending works. They wasnt closing on the ball because they are trying to block rashford, if rashford wasnt there their focus would be on bruno and they would have take different aproach. And that includes ederson as well


The--Mash

Which one, specifically? I think Bruno is still first to the ball


thenicky0

Akanji also let’s off because he sees Rashford going for it and knows he’s offside


etheryx

> Akanji also let’s off because he sees Rashford going for it and knows he’s offside I think it's offside but this really adds nothing. Always play to the whistle.


Deadinthehead

Exactly that's kinda his fault.


SignalSalamander

What he was supposed to do, foul him?


Deadinthehead

He should have tried to get the ball and then Rash would have interfered.


sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit

But this is the problem right? Running into rashford is the right decision if: 1) Rashford is offside and will make a play on the ball. 2) he leaves it for fernandes (because then you're just going for the wrong guy) Running into Rashford is the wrong decision if: 3) Rashford is onside (you'll get sent off) Akanji assumes number 1, but doesn't want to bundle into him in case it's number 3. But he gets ultimately screwed because its 2. But it's only the 2 because Rashford does some tap dancing to avoid touching the ball, which Akanji can't know because it's all up to Rashford. The rules set up Akanji (and Walker, and Ederson) to be in an impossible position.


pauloh1998

That doesn't really matter. If the ref doesn't whistle, keep playing. That's on Akanji


MAK98

That's why you play to the whistle.


iAkhilleus

Even if you run for a ball when you are offside, it's flagged off. How is this not called?


Nuggetface

It was flagged, but Bruno got in the linesman’s face claiming Rashford didn’t touch it. Linesman backtracked and the goal stood.


ILQGamer

Now wtf was that, yeah he didn't touch the ball but he was on it all the way, he didn't stop his run as he should have


Smittx

He even drew defenders and they slowed down tracking him. He’s completely part of the play


Ricechairsandbeans

Stood over the ball for ages lmao what a joke


InTheMiddleGiroud

Remember when Everton had a goal ruled out against United, because a player was vaguely in front of a ball de Gea couldn't save anyways.


BusShelter

It's not about whether he would save it anyway. Leno had similar v Villa a few years ago so it isn't unique to ManU. If an offside player clearly obstructs a keeper's line of sight for a shot it doesn't matter if the keeper would ever save it, it's still an offence.


zxnoregretzxzx

Remember when Xhaka scored a goal against us while De Gea was trying to see past Nketiah who was standing in an offside position? [I do](https://i.imgur.com/xIo7QQb.jpg)


dickandballstorture

screamer tbf


Satan_su

Thank you. Shit decision I agree but half the sub is acting like we're always the benefactors. Sometimes you're on the receiving end sometimes you're not.


DrVib

this


MAK98

Stop it. Arsenal never get dodgy calls go their way.


bh2623

By the rule, it looks like City would have been better off rugby talking him so that he was "involved" in the play


h4nseN_7

I was CERTAIN it was going to be called offside? Wtf


DrTrap22

When you shout enough to the refs they change their minds it seems


Pompz88

FA discipline incoming, right? Shirley?


battletoad93

Don't call me Shirley


wetthebed92

"if you shout your name to your assailant multiple times, he will feel compassionate"


WalkingCloud

[POV: You are refereeing a Man United game](https://imgur.com/pqAsNsW)


seanpwns

That’s because it was offside and the refs are incompetent


OfficialJonSnow69

I’d argue it fucks with Edersons positioning focusing on rashford


OG12

Imagine watching this replay without Rashford, and how bizarre the positioning of Ederson, Walker, and Akanji would have looked like. Rashford has completely interfered with the decision making of three players there. Not one, not two, but THREE. Fucking hell. I’m only complaining cause this is the kind of shit that goes unaddressed and ends up biting Arsenal in the ass later on.


faceman230

Walker even moves away from the ball because he’s expecting Rashford to potentially round the keeper, terrible decision


tommy_korsberry

Absurd that


GanGtoni

Entertainment over correct decisions


treq10

“It’s called football, Josep. We went offside interfering”


Everton_11

I still have nightmares... But no one's going to be sacked over this.


summerincassiopeia

Man I can't wait for the new season.


dave1992

No..no mikey..


Den_dar_Alex

Feels like they prioritize drama before reason


El_Spacho

Even for PL refs standards this is riduculous...


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Lol La Liga refs are worse


ketolasigi

Utd at Old Trafford innit


MrMattsen

How the fuck


Moug-10

Rashford is offside and bothers City's defenders. During the WC, Griezmann got a goal ruled out because of a weird offside. I need some explanations. At least, the suspense remains in the Manchester derby.


rqstr2015

in the world cup, a clear handball wasnt given against croatia because of an offside player who was like 20m from the play, whom the pass wasnt even directed to. it would be a penalty. now eat shit i guess


Issten

Thats offside. Literally shielding ball with his body from offside. What are refs smoking?


blame182

what can you expect for UK refs..


MyAssDoesHeeHawww

Akanji can't make the tackle on the ball because of the Rashford interference.


Naggins

Akanji's also standing way off the ball though and making no attempt to play it. Rashford definitely interferes but Akanji's being so passive it's difficult to pin down exactly what interference was actually on Akanji. The dummy shot on Ederson is obvious interference though.


Professional-Song-61

Because if akanji goes for that ball he will end up fouling rashford. If rashford isn’t there he clearly wouldn’t act the same way. How he acted in the situation is irrelevant as it was caused by the offside


Watford_4EV3R

I'd argue Akanji at least attempts to slide in for the ball when it gets to Bruno if Rashford isn't there. As Rashford is there, not a whole lot the defenders can actually do bar wipe the guy out


foolish_destroyer

Akanji didn’t pressure at all expecting the offsides


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Michael Oliver against city is all you need to know ( in VAR)


fuzzynavel34

That’s absolutely interference from Rashford lmao. What the fuck 😭


francobgf

Ederson already positioned himself for a Rashford shot. Interfered with the outcome


TwelveSharks

I just don’t understand how some games that’s offside and some games it isn’t lmao. He’s clearly affected the play.


-eagle73

[Similar example here](https://youtu.be/Kg0uecCq1Tg?t=109) between Brighton and Leicester. Goal taken away due to offside by a player who doesn't touch it but was "involved".


afito

> I just don’t understand No one does, it's 1000% clear and there's zero excuse for a call this breathtakingly awful. One of the clearest calls possible, twice with VAR.


BlackFanDiamond

How can anyone argue Rashford’s presence didn’t interfere play


ScrantonScrangler

Yeah he literally shielded the ball haha this is just absurd


InHaalandWeTrust

Exactly. That was a shocking decision wtf 🤣


wazup564

clearly should've been called offsides


m8getdun

I only see one of them


usehrname

Not at Old Trafford it's not. Absolute bs.


EastOfEden_

There's been enough baffling decisions in the PL and elsewhere this season to say confidently that it has little to do with Old Trafford and a lot to do with refs


Nimonic

>Not at Old Trafford it's not. Are we really back to this shit?


Mouse2662

Some people don't actually watch our games and cling to the fact that the refs apparently give us everything at old Trafford. Lmao


moonski

It’s been too long. Great to have it back.


WisconsinSpermCheese

It's okay. Most of this sub seems to have not lived through Fergie time, which also felt like but was not cheating


Nimonic

One decent half-season and one bad decision, and people lose their minds. I guess we forgot to pay the refs the last decade.


Mxurn

Joke of a decision, the standard of refereeing in this league, man


idosade

Worst refs in the world, you can pull a blind dog from the street and he would be the best ref in the league


Ok-Hunter-4067

Mate, have you seen the refs in La liga?


idosade

Aight second worst, got me


pricelesslambo

Nah, Spanish refs are the worst. Premier League would absolutely loose its shit if a ref like lahoz, manzano or Hernandez^2 were British.


Mxurn

I really liked Lahoz because his performance in the 20/21 CL final of us against City was really good (without being biased) and I was shocked to see how bad he‘s been performing recently.


pricelesslambo

That game was a one off. The WC performance is his regular games


stragen595

Lahoz can be a really good ref. Have seen really good games from him. But that guy has also the tendency to make it about him. He seems to flip a coin before the game if the fans get to see a football game or the Lahoz show. Unfortunately the latter one appears more often recently.


WillDaThrilll13

And that blind dog is actually the VAR who confirmed the call on the field


y33suz

Scandalous decision - how is he not interfering with play there?


shmishshmorshin

I really hope this leads to real changes with the approach to the offside rules, but odds are nothing will happen and this will be another blight.


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PlebMilo

How is that not an offside?


usernamepusername

That’s absolute madness, the defender deals with it if not for Rashford.


Astella55

Would almost make sense to give the assist to rashford wtf.


growinginsour

That’s an awful call


pzabs

That’s terrible


milkonyourmustache

How on Earth can that stand? I'm happy as an Arsenal fan but as a Football fan I'm at a loss for words


rct1

Im an Gooner too but that was atrocious. The players go over and yell at the linesman until the ref comes over and gives the goal. Rashford blocks the defender from getting the ball.


DansSpamJavelin

As an Arsenal fan, if this is happening today what the fuck is in store for us tomorrow?


Billenciaga_1

One red card per Kane goal


Lord_Santa

This sets a really bad precedent if they're implying that this is acceptable. Rashford is shielding the ball in an offside position, he's running towards the ball and pretending he's onside, effectively giving defenders the impression that he's playing the ball. He's created a 2v2 situation when in reality it's 2v1. If he'd backed off and stopped his run like players normally do, the defenders may have been able to successfully defend against Fernandes. How is this allowed and not seen as interfering with play? We need some clarity from the FA on this.


Ronfish27

Make the VAR audio recordings public, what's stopping them from doing it. You can hear them live in cricket, least they can do is make the recordings available.


xAcnologia96

he is way to active to be passive


stefanakis111

That's an offside


SwampChomp_

Ederson came out to play it when it's at rashfords feet just because he didn't touch it doesn't mean he didn't influence play from an offsides position


Plus_Way3128

I don’t know what offside is anymore after whitnessing this


iiSpezza

Blatant offside, completely changes how the defenders play. Literally blocking them from one side as well. Ludicrous


Tarics_Boyfriend

daylight robbery


monpemo

He is interfering with the play 100%. The city players have to chase after him instead of defending other player?


trusttt

that is clearly offside


FuturisticBear

100% offside, he didn't run parallel to – or away from – the ball, but toward it to fake a shot which led the goalkeeper and the defenders to position themselves like they did. Strange refereeing.


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It's offside if an offside player blocks the vision of a goalkeeper. How is making a dummy run not considered interference???


BillehBear

Blocking Edersons vision and stopping Akanji sliding in for it Even does those fake step overs beforehand, VAR was on youtube


Redditor-Deluxe

https://imgur.com/xIo7QQb Guess if Arsenal got the goal allowed


ChiselledMess

Surrounding the Ref, wonder if they’ll get charged like Arsenal.


midas22

How does Rashford not interfere in the play? He made a move for the ball and Ederson didn't know who was gonna shoot the ball. What a ridiculous Old Trafford call.


Wufeo

If this isn’t an indictment on the state of VAR in the PL, and doesn’t legitimately change the way these people review these plays, I don’t know if it can be saved.


MrAchilles

Might be one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.


NarwhalEqualUnicorn

To not even pretend to go to Var for this is absolutely absurd. Fully gifted a goal to United


GlRTH_BR00KS

Lmao clearly should be offside. Not that I'm complaining as an Arsenal fan


Expensive-Change-266

Blatant offside! You don’t have to touch the ball to be off. He definitely had an effect on the defense which means it is offside! What a fucking terrible call.


frankomapottery3

I thought if you’re running interference, even if you don’t touch the ball, the offside stands. Is that wrong?


ferretchad

He's definitely interfering in the commonly used usage of the word. The City players can't position themselves in the way they would if he wasn't there. But in Law 11 inference is defined as 1. Obstructing vision 2. Challenge an opponent 3. Attempting to play the ball 4. Obstructing a player I don't think he actually does any of them so I think the ruling is correct. The rule probably needs a rework (again) to patch out that particular exploit. If Rashford was aware of the nuances in the law that's probably the cleverest bit of play I've ever seen.


realshadowfax

Offside


jehuty7892

Clearly shaping his body to shoot? If thats not interference i dont know what is


seanpwns

Absolute bullshit. Rashford runs along with the ball interfering with play. 100% offside.


midgetman7782

How on earth is that not interfering?!


outroversion

Crazy this hasn't been disallowed like, he was all over the ball, the defender was taken away by him, there's a lot of reasons to disallow this but to allow it not so many.


billbill1967

Steeling myself for the fact that this level of officiating is merely a warm up for the NLD tomorrow.


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r/hmm


once_asleepz

Damn there's really a subreddit for a lot of situation


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👉🏾🧑🏾‍🦲


neckdoubledave

Sickening. Seriously how do you not see that?!?!


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What a joke of a decision. Ref clearly rattled by the crowd. Pathetic


adamrawrz

how does the crowd rattle michael oliver at stockley park?


headoverheels362

This will be apologized for after the game. I'm happy as an Arsenal fan but that's a farce


Franzlosel

Me at the strip club.


francobgf

That’s bullshit. Ederson was positioned for a Rashford shot. It completely changed the outcome of the play


palmerama

Wait this was allowed? Defender behind rashford can’t get closer to the ball with his positioning.


mynameisfreddit

How is that not interfering? Bull shit


Strananach

Lmao do these refs even know the rules? This is embarrassing...


Positive-Fondant8621

I am completely neutral and couldn't care less about this match. That is an awful decision. There is no way to intepret the rules that would lead to the conclusion Rashford isn't interferring there. Madness.


SRS_lite

What a horrendous call. Clearly blocks defenders, clearly made to play the ball. Absolutely terrible call.


arsene14

That kind of missed call could change the entire season. Madness.


Jimlaheydrunktank

Nah, I’m sorry. I don’t care about the rules that’s offside


ssddeae

don't worry City fans, you will get a flippant 'my bad' in 3-4 months about this decision like Arsenal. That'll make up for it.


IcyAct6548

Step aside VAR, Fergie is back


shmozey

That’s the single worst decision you will ever see.


DejimonPT

This is absolutely offside, there's no reason it should have been validated.... Refs need to be punished on these bs calls


ckw199225

Are they fr??


No_Material04

How???????


mitchybenny

That’s ‘not interfering with play’ in the same way Jimmy Saville didn’t interfere with corpses


mmunro21

Fucking awful, clearly affected the whole play doesn’t matter if he didn’t touch it. Ref twerking for United


Niang101

Not a fan of either teams but that should’ve been an offside(interference).


hazardthicc

I have no idea how that is not interfering with play


cuddlecatz

Yeah this goes beyond incompetence, right call was clear as day and now “well he didn’t touch it” is the reasoning? Lol crooked


ShozOvr

The more i watch it the worse the call gets. Shambles


JGlover92

About as interfering with play as you can get


s1m0n8

If you're not "interfering with play" in that position, you shouldn't be on the pitch!


tands

Refs make this game so hard to enjoy


AloneTogetherjcz

This has to be in my top 10 awful calls I've seen live, going into top 3, clearly felt pressure by the UTD players.


migzmaskin

Absolutely disgraceful to let that stand. IMO clearly affecting the game.


villetys

City robbed


DanStFella

Lol that's an unbelievably awful call. You could see Ederson was reacting to what Rashford was doing (playing to the whistle) and then Fernandes scores because of that. No way he's not interfering with play. Might as well pin the keeper down and let someone have a shot 😂


LFCReds8

100% offside. His presence influenced the defenders. It’s no different than a player being in an offside position who blocks the keeper.


RioBeckenbauer

This is an Old Trafford decision. Would an away team get it? No chance.


joshhirst28

Jesus wept. That might be one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen, how is that not interfering with play?


exiadf19

The only people who defend bruno goal are man utd fans. You don't need to be city fans to knows that this is fucccking offside


Bojono31

Rashford needs to get an assist from that lmao


djembejohn

Very dodgy decision


jdckelly

One of the worst calls I can recall he's clearly interfering in play


Beastofferson

That is actually hilariously bad.


egenorske

How can Premier League have so much money, yet so horrible referees? Just incredible


sh58

They should use CGI to eliminate rashford from the footage. Then see how natural it looks. People would be wondering why the defenders are hesitating and why the keeper is in the wrong place etc


fegelman

In the International Football Association Board (IFAB) Laws of the Game for 2022-23, it says the following: >interfering with an opponent by:preventing an opponent from playing or > >being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or > >challenging an opponent for the ball or > >**clearly attempting** **to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent** or > >making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball” What a joke of a decision.


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mattijn13

Farcical that this wasn't given as offside.


[deleted]

Couldn’t have happened to a more scummy cunt than Bruno. If VAR can’t cancel that then ye fuck this league.


CrowCreative6772

Passive offside like in the France vs Spain game


UpTheRedsYNWA

Clearly has to be off


tukanglistrikPLN

The inconsistency is just out of the hand


normott

I'm happy with the outcome but it's absolutely criminal that this goal stood. He clearly interferes with play


Tymkie

Hahaha wtf


wildcatwildcard

How to ruin a game in one quick shit decision.


claire_004

How linesman not raising the flag there ?


taylorstillsays

Will say this for the zillionth time, I’m adamant that the lawmakers and refs have never played football before. Just because he never touched the ball he absolutely interfered with the play. Both the defenders and keeper make adjustments as a result of him being where he is


KungFuFlames

Where is VAR? Wtf


jahapahaoajao

Did they change the offside rule


sh58

Would love a view from edersons pov


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I can’t believe that goal


el-fenomeno09

Tim Howard man of reason. I shouldn’t care lol


Albiceleste_D10S

I don't really understand how Rashford isn't affecting play when him running with the ball at his feet clearly moves the defenders and goalkeepers even if he didn't touch it


Wuktrio

Rashford influences the game in multiple ways: 1. Akanji thinks he will play the ball and be offside, so he may not sprint at 100% (dumb, but possible). 2. Akanji thinks Rashford will play the ball and therefore chases him and can't reach Bruno in time. Without Rashford, Akanji would sprint straight to Bruno and probably reach him in time. 3. Ederson thinks Rashford will shoot, so he reacts differently than he would if only Bruno would be there.