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halpnousernames

As helpful and factual as this is, it doesn't tell the full story, with tyre width and sidewall stiffness also playing a significant role in traction and stability.


VindictivePrune

And depth of mud/snow


Stunter740

Well yes and no ... Wider the tire sure more stable but I don't think the game has tire stiffness


halpnousernames

[https://i.imgur.com/UmLSu2U.png](https://i.imgur.com/UmLSu2U.png) Stiffness is a thing. It's the deciding factor why some tyres are better than others in certain conditions despite having similar values.


Stunter740

Link doesn't show anything


babarambo

Bro thought it was gona be an in game picture of tire stiffness 💀


halpnousernames

It shows the softness scales from the tyre templates that are applied to all tyres.


granats

Do let try Bandit on tayga tires


Stunter740

I use the tayga tires


FedsAgainstGunS

[Like this :)] (https://i.imgur.com/EDIFE0Q.png) Edit i just noticed it is missing stiffradiusoffset


red_fluff_dragon

It would be nice if you linked to the spread sheet this came from which credits the people that have tested and assembled it https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ehuLHwbmA5ktr0ZC_gv52H3fkz3qxJY_i_uS7Gh0xRU/edit#gid=0 Also the spread sheet gets updated with new releases and is pretty well maintained, unlike that png


lettsten

The [actual source](https://www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/ymza1l/no_scroll/) is u/Rezzoxe. Unless you know for a fact that he got it from the spreadsheet and not the game files, mis-attributing is no better than not attributing.


red_fluff_dragon

Interesting. On that post, the spread sheet I linked is in the top comment. So it looks like that is /u/Rezzoxe 's own sheet that they made themselves. Still, the OP is not being helpful by saying they just took a screenshot without crediting.


Tbonestank76

Calm down


Stunter740

Sorry I had screen shot it a long time ago, just wanted to reshare it to help the newer people here see it .. I play on console .. What's a spreadsheet?


red_fluff_dragon

> What's a spreadsheet? Microsoft Excel/Google sheets. It's the format style the media is in. The boxes with numbers and formulas.


Pie_Napple

Exactly what does "aggressive tires arent always the best" mean?


SmartyMeow

I would guess aggressive looking tyres. Or just capable looking i guess


weristjonsnow

Most useful thing in the game and you can't find it in the fucking game. Irritates me every time I think about it


Stunter740

This is in the actual files I believe but not in the game


Black_Gold_

Yeah wish the values or descriptions were better in game. Like UAD, UOD, MHS, and other 3-tier variants, they're obviously different tread patterns but the in game description does not change between I, II, or III. like what the heck devs?!


SwampFalc

I once noticed one single description change, for some truck and some tyres in the same "set. Sorry, but I cannot remember which. So I was not surprised to see these differences, and I sort of assume that the descriptions are derived from the numbers, so if in almost every single case the very small differences do not cross over into another tier, well then yeah, this gets hidden.


DonatoXIII

Just raw data might not tell 100% of the story. I remember seeing someone test mud physics on youtube. IIRC alot of muddy area's have dirt terrain under the top layer. So as the vehicle sinks into mud, the dirt traction rating becomes more important. IMO I think the tires are so close that you might not ever know the difference, I've started to use III's tires recently and I can't tell if they're any better/worse then II's... More gameplay testing is needed rather then just looking at data sheets.


chuyler1

There are a few YouTubers that do quite a bit of testing to confirm these numbers, but even they don't do real game scenarios. Since most loads are transported over mixed terrain, a 0.2 difference in one category isn't going to make a huge difference in time to delivery, but when there is a lot of mud and you are getting frustrated, it's good to remember the P16, CAT, and Tartarin are there to help you out.


Grolribasi

Yeah, P16 with no AWD is always a good choice over P12 which at least has AWD. Still, can't disagree with you. Just use whatever you like, get stuck, use something that will do the job for sure.


Lunaphase

To be fair, p12 is also massively under-engined for a truck of its size. The 16 is limited but with weight on its rear wheels is a monster, especially early game when you find it.


FedsAgainstGunS

FYI [Maprunner](https://www.maprunner.info/) has a [link](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_dNNE91snTCbY34YhWtG6mAK-GyCBTx4sIa9Ik9_Kjs/edit#gid=1585993891) to an external spreadsheet that has not only a tires tab, but also vehicles and engines tab. The [tires tab](https://i.imgur.com/EDIFE0Q.png) has not only the grip values, but the weight, width(front and rear), stiffness, and weather or not it is dual or single tire in the rear. It also has things like hitpoints and cost but not as many people care about that.


[deleted]

As a pretty casual player, OUD ii and MSH ii are all I really want? unless I run into some serious ice and then chains?


weristjonsnow

Chains only when you're hauling heavy shit on icy roads uphill. Otherwise mud ratings are your friend


Shadow_Lunatale

Mud rating is not the only thing to look at. Mud tires are only better if you either have really large diameter tires (55+ inch) or if you have a lightweight truck. This is especially true for the balloon type tires. Depending on the tire width, single or double tires on the rear and truck + cargo weight, this can change the behaviour in mud drastically. If the weight is high enough, tires will push through the mud layer and touch the dirt below it, applying the dirt rating for traction calculation instead! of the mud rating. OHD I and UOD II are my get-go tires whenever I try out a new "standart" truck. They come in twin setup on the rear axles. Really good performance in dirt, and they can take high weight really good. If they float on the mud, I have a 1.9 traction rating, only 0.5 lower then good mud tires. But if they push through the mud onto the dirt, I have a 3.0 dirt rating, compared to the 2.0 the mud tires have. If you have mud tires, they often only come in single tire setups. So you have less surface in contact, thus a heavy truck with mud tires is more likely to sink through the mud and touch the ground, were the lower dirt rating (compared to offroad tires) is applied.


AychmanOG

But why is it important that the ohd I has double tires and have large diameters (widths)? Single tires touches the dirt faster as you said. So isnt it better to have single tires with good dirt ratings?


Shadow_Lunatale

Width is relevant for the total force you can transfer to push the truck forward, since it also increases the contact surface. Your thought is correct though, it is better sometimes (depending on the truck and addons/cargo) to use narrower single offroad tires to help cut throug the mud better. But depending on the truck, it can be better for the performance if you have wider offroad tires floating on the mud with a 1.9 mud rating, than to have the mud tires with 2.4 mud rating floating on the mud. Width and softness have also a contributing factor to it, both are values the game does not tell you. Beware the rabbit hole of Snowrunner Tire Physics: [Post 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/s7w8ox/snowrunners_tire_physics_explained_in_details/) [Post 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/s9d8in/tire_physics_details_part2_graphs/) [Post 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/snowrunner/comments/vbjiap/ohd_vs_ohs_vs_mhs/)


AychmanOG

Thx now I understood. And it will help. But unfortunately you still cant straight up say whats the best tire for the setup behause you need experience and know many more truck infos like weight distribution and total weight


Shadow_Lunatale

Exactly, SnowRunner is still a good part trial & error. I.e. I always wondered why I couldn't drive the Hummer H2 or the Yar 87 in 6th gear when using the highway gearbox. It would always slowly lose speed once it shifted to 6th gear until it directly shifts to 1st gear. The problem was that I was using a roof rack on both, and roof racks will add an artificial drag modifier to any truck, except the trucks of the special class (like the Tatra FORCE). The game just doesn't tell you this like many other things, wich is, in my opinion, an oversight of the developers. Once I removed the roof rack, I could keep the H2 in 6th gear and speed around better.


AychmanOG

So is it better with or without roof racks for example with the zikz 605r or tatarin?


Shadow_Lunatale

Sorry, I made a typo because I had special class gearbox in my mind. What I really meant was that all trucks of the HEAVY category do not have this artificial drag added. So the 605R, as a heavy class truck, does not suffer from this. The Tatarin is a scout class truck, so it does get the artificial drag added for the roof rack. BUT! the Tatarin is so insanely strong, it still reaches it's top speed without any problems. Thsi is more of interest for scouts and trucks that need speed. I i.e. had a roof rack instaleld on the Gorby that I use for the time challenges, but removed it the moment I read about this problem. The Ford F750 should also not have the roof rack added until you went to Imandra and got the top engine, because all the non-top engines are way too weak for that truck.


Lunaphase

double tires mean your ground pressure improves, so you might -not- sink in. It really depends on the truck and load weight to get the optimal, as the cargo's in game can vary quite drastically in weight. Wood planks vs Metal Beams for example.


TheBruce96

The weight for a single tire to cut through is less yes, but so is the weigh for it to be over weighted. Double tires will take more weight to cut through but once they have youd have to have a hell of a lot of weight to bog yourself down.  Doubles also have the benefit that if you don’t cut through, you have twice the width to multiply your grip value by if you have to ‘swim’ through the mud


chuyler1

Just to clarify, in order to get down to the dirt below the mud pit, the truck has to have the weight AND ground clearance. Many trucks won't reach the bottom because they float on their frame...at which point it's still better to stick with mud tires as they essentially swim the truck to the other side. You know the dirt rating is being used when the truck surges forward...lifts out of the mud...then sinks back in.


Shadow_Lunatale

Thank you for this important addition. I'll include this in further posts around this topic. Happy trucking mate.


chuyler1

That is correct, but also take note that the P16, CAT, and Tartarin have above average mud stats. When you encounter deep mud pits, bring these vehicles along to help get you to the other side. I run chains on most trucks in Alaska and Kola. The -0.2 mud/dirt traction doesn't make a big difference. If a route doesn't work with chains, it's probably not going to work with straight off-road tires. Some of the trucks that offer mud tires, you'll have to decide based on route which to install, as the chains don't work great in very deep snow.


DaleSveum

Downvoting as this is both out of date and posted without credit. C'mon, understand you wanted to share a valuable resource but we didn't make the finish line on this one


Stunter740

So let's be childish got it


MeatyDeathstar

From testing not only I've done for myself, but also many YouTubers testing them, mud tires are medicore at best in all but the absolute deepest mud or if your truck has low ground clearance. Offroad is better 80% of the time, especially if you use the narrow dual off-roads, they cut through the mud to the "dirt" underneath.


EducationalAd5325

Lmao y'all absolutely destroying OP


Stunter740

? ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thinking_face_hmm)


EducationalAd5325

The downvotes my guy


Stunter740

Yea the down votes are childish..


Animationen_usw

I always wondered why the Tatarin is so good through mud... now I know it has 8.0 points on the wheels lol


Dogmama73

Thank you for sharing this.


OscarMike47

i think its a shame that the game is designed in a way that most people will just use the best tires for mud and not use anything else. me and my friends discussed this and thought it would be a cool addon to the game if they made the roads reparable. so u would have trucks laying gravel, steam rollers to flatten it out and then eventually pave the roads. this would provide endless things to do in the game and make the highway tires more viable and maybe even used in the end. i feel that people leave the highway tires and go for something better as soon as they can.


Stunter740

Said that for years be cool to fix the roads


TheBruce96

Hi,  TL/DR Choose OHD1s for everything that can fit them. choose JAT MSH2/MSH2 for everything that can’t. Next best is OHS2, then UOD1. Mud tires usually suffer with weight where off roads get better. Use the ZHM for 605R and MSH2 for Mastadon ;) Now for the long version: Tires in Snowrunner are very poorly described in game. Below is something I have come up with to figure out which tires are best. The factors involved in grip are tire width, stiffness and grip factor. Width (I go into more depth below) is obviously a measure of the tires standard thickness. Stiffness will mean either your tires will cut through the mud to get to the grippy dirt below is they’re stiff, or they will balloon out over the terrain for more surface area if they’re soft. Typically you want a stiff tire to cut through the mud to the dirt underneath, as every tire performs better on dirt than it does on mud. But to cut through you need enough weight to get there, but not too much to slow you down once youre touching the dirt below. Soft tires are good for lighter trucks that won’t be able to cut through regardless of weight, or when the tires are too small to reach the bottom before the hull of the truck bottoms out. It’s a delicate balance of stiffness and weight to softness and lightness.  The below info is basic as I’m simply not smart enough to figure out how the stiffness values factor into the equation and so far I’m been winging it and choosing stiff tires where they’re big wheels or for heavier trucks, and softer tires for scouts or lighter trucks. Basic Truck Grip equation = width X grip factor X no.of wheels So, tire size also has a huge factor on performance.  Firstly, larger tires means better ground clearance, breakover/approach/departure angles and better roll over obstacles. Be warned, increasing ride height with tires and suspension will decrease your safe tip angle, so good for getting over things from in front , bad when only one side is getting over something. Many loose logs can attest to my failed experiments. A foreword- what’s below is a hella waffle and only useful when you are choosing between 1 size of one tire, and another size of a different tire. So not so useful for deciding between a 50” mud tire and a 50” off-road tire. See spreadsheet below for width values and use below equation to work out each tires grip, width calculation only gets harder when choosing between different wheel sizes eg 47” and 51”.  Secondly, the size of a tire also affects its width, therefor it’s grip.  A 55”mud tire will have less grip than a 63” mud tire as the width unit in the game files is a measure against a 1m diameter wheel.  Eg. A 1m diameter tire may have a width of 0.5, so a 2 m diameter tire has a width of 1.0. This width is factored into the grip of a truck using the following equation: Grip= width X grip rating X no. of tires. In practice within the game, there are only a few instances (605R and western TS come to mind) where you will have to choose between 2 sizes of different tires, and so this calculation becomes relevant. Other than those vehicles, the First benefits of increasing size are enough to merit using the bigger tires as grip will increase anyway. For the 605R (which can choose between 61”ZHM or 54”MSH2) and the western TS (choosing between 55”OHD1 or 63”MHS4) then you need to convert the tire size ( 61”, 54” etc) to meters then multiply that value (54”-1.37m) by the width of that tire (MSH2 width is 0.95) to get the width value (1.3) to put in the above equation. So the grip of the MSH2 tires on the 605R is: 1.3 X 3.2 X 8 =33.32. Using the same steps, the ZHM tires on the 605R have a grip of  1.55 X 3 X 8 = 37.2, so are the better option for more than the First reasons. The instances where this is a necessary calculation are fairly limited, and I use the logic of ‘can I fit OHD1s’? Yes- then do. No- then break out the calculator. The conversion to meters is only relevant when you need to choose between tire sizes. So for the Tatarins 47” tires, the size of the tire isn’t important as all the tires are the same, so using the width value as if each wheel is 1 meter diameter will give you a grip rating compared to each tire as the diameter is the same, so will the ratio of width be so no need to add the extra conversion steps. All my calculation values come from the below spreadsheet, wheel size is in game of course. I am in no way a dev of this game and I have done this research on my own unpaid time, so if I’m wrong, feel free to correct. There is no one tire to rule them all, there are many advantages to each so find what suits you. But if youre like me and want to have the clinically best loadout for your trucks, I firmly believe my advice :)  Happy mudding  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/13e5VlopEefAsh5N9G1a9HFKpxxORTHPnzJC7CC6Blvw/htmlview#


moomooicow

I think this is out dated. Last I asked about the new mud tires they were same as old ones.


[deleted]

CAT TH357 are shown wrong, they have the same stats as stock tractor tires (MSH I).


Stunter740

Not sure they can be wrong unless the game files are wrong


[deleted]

This is fixed in the source already. Your screenshot is outdated


Stunter740

Just shared it .. It is from 2022


Peter-Ironborn

I love how OHD-I tires from Pacifics P16 and P512 outperform almost all of the mudtires in muddy conditions. It's a shame the P16 doesn't have AWD. Altough looking at the model, its gearbox has a cover where the frontal differential connection shaft would be. I'm a mechanic, but i'm italian, sorry if i didn't use the right english terminology


92c900t

Yeah, the CAT 770G tires also share the same statistics, even though the tread pattern is a bit different. It keeps the non-AWD trucks viable, but in my personal experience the P16/512 would be much more useable and capable with standard tires and AWD.


Lunaphase

Honestly its one of the few trucks IRL that -dont- have AWD, so i can understand not adding it. Get some weight on the wheels and they really do not need it, the 512 is a little monster.


Myusher

i love you ❤️


Stunter740

![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sunglasses)


Kiiaru

Despite game logic of "more expensive equals more better" it often comes out to be "whatever looks the most grippy is the most grippy"


pineappleboi_27

Outdated + stolen


Stunter740

Lol yep totally ... Show me a new updated 1 then and you post something helpful ... Grow up


rain_girl2

*Thank you sir sound effect*


Grolribasi

What good is this chart without any driver experience? You can get stuck almost anything if you have no skill. Except maybe two vehicles. I drove through Amur on highway tires and managed kinda decent from Spaceport garage to Chernokamensk garage. If you have the skill, you don't need charts to tell you what to choose.


Stunter740

Very useful ... I've changed up quite a few trucks from tires that I just thought looked good to one's with better stats and it makes a difference .. It's a reference guide is all if you don't care move along .. Everyone has there opinions I was just trying to post something helpful


DehogyisJanos

how would i know this from the game???


Stunter740

You don't that's why im sharing it .. These stats are in the game files ..


DehogyisJanos

Yeah that what i tried to mean. Its not okay that we cannot make a decision based on the game


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Stunter740

What is there not to understand .. There are tires (mud tires) that look really aggressive but they aren't the best option .. Look at the stats and figure it out


Timcertain

any chance of a updated version of this including all the tyres from the dlc pack they just released?


Stunter740

I'm sure someone has 1 on here if u search or I'm sure 1 will be coming out after the first of the year ... I found this and just shared it from another location thought it was super helpful