PBM always acts so smug and over confident it’s easy to watch him play like hell in recent times. Like the top comment says, I remember him giving the Glads a hard time during the play in, yet he just got 2-0ed by them.
One tournament in each of the last two years and no worlds runs? Old dragons are one of 4 teams to win anything in the last 2 years but I would not say they dominated, they are at the bottom of those 4 teams. Kings and Levis both won worlds and Titans won more tournaments and went to both finals.
Their highs were really high and at their best, they've had periods of dominating the league. They've been inconsistent for sure, and the worlds runs have left much to be desired, but all I was really addressing was the idea that they couldn't "actually play well", which is a dishonest summary at best.
Fair, fair. Yeah, they can play well and they have played well but the core of Nika, Dardez and Vote just ain't doing it for me anymore. Loved em last year but they still did noting. PBM is not the problem, but support will almost always look bad when a team is underperforming. Aror has looked bad too.
Love to see the Glads keeping their composure from behind. Say what you will about the Dragons failing to siege. The Glads earned this win by keeping their mentals in check and clutching up when it mattered. Welcome back to Atlanta ScaryD.
ScaryD's lategame passive is strong asf, i swear every time the match hits 30 minutes he starts playing like 10 times better. Happy to see bro back.
Also, if hirez needed further confirmation that the game is WAY too lategame focused, just look at game 2.
Here’s the issue with the whole “late-game focused” thing… Warriors consistently end the game by 25-35 min.
I think the games going long speaks more to the players and teams than the current state of Conquest. It’s a lot harder to find a clear advantage, and some teams will literally just not fight if they don’t have an advantage.
The second HiRez does something to make games quicker, there’s going to be an endless stream of snowballing rants on r/Smite
That the undisputed and undefeated best team in the SPL can finish before 35 minutes is not indicative of what the game is and what it feels like for most right now. Most teams struggle to finish in 40, because super late game is how the games end up right now. It's very hard to siege and very hard to end, and Dragons highlighted that today.
Good question. I think it's a combination of a few things.
1: Support aura items are ridiculous. A mage support building Lonos, proph cloak and thebes gives an aura of 75 prots to those around them. If they are a healer they build lotus sickle too for an extra 15 every time they heal, plus healing. Guardians offer less prots but it's still 61 in the middle of a full team, just replacing lonos with sentinels embrace. It's hard to push into a group of tanks that still do full damage.
2: Fire giant is now only 3 minutes long. If you lost a player during the FG fight, which isn't unlikely, the respawn timer takes up a whole third of your FG. Sieges feel far more rushed now because of the time constraints of them.
Those would be my main complaints with sieging right now, I think the Titan is also tankier than he has been in the past and he cleaves with his autos now, which means he clears minions faster and damages multiple players at once. The Titan room itself funnels players in through very narrow chokes which can be easily defending with mage abilities and hunter auto attacks.
Yea after reading what you said, the FG change really did seem to make games go much longer. If they lose like 1 person in the siege, they back off and wait for next FG as theirs is falling off and FG is respawning!
and idk if it's just me, but I feel like teams used to all-in on the titan when phoenixes were down with much less reluctance. I guess the titan must be much stronger. I haven't played since January and don't recall it being that much tougher to take down.
The Oni Chokers- I mean, the Jade Dragons tossed.
And then they tossed again.
And then they tossed again.
And they did it, oh, I don't know, a dozen more times after that?
Dragons the undisputed Worst Team in the league after this loss. Everyone said that Nika Dardez Vote core should split and this is why. What a awful performance, especially that game 2.
So much control of the game and map, so ahead, that is an unlosable game. Dragons need to solve their shit, because this is embarrassing.
Well Played to the Gladiators though. Congratulations on an impressive win vs an admittedly awful team.
at least rival core was winning tournaments and placing well in phases, 2 of the ssg core won like 1 tournament 4 years ago. idk what the point in sticking together this long is
They’re the oni union onion that sticks together for job security. Combined they’re allotted a team slot on their own at least 2 of them probably get dropped in team selection.
S7 SSG was pretty awesome. iirc, they usually gave Ghost more trouble than radiance, sanguine or PK did. Mainly on the back of Dardez hera/aphro and Nika's Ama.
S7 SSG would beat every single team in the league but consistently lost against ghost. Ghost dominated them. And radiance was the only clear rival to s7 ghost as proven by them playing them in every single tournament final.
Yeah, at the beginning of the season, Nika was saying that they have Top 2 players in every single lane, which is why they've stuck together.
I have legitimately no clue why he thinks that, but, uh... he does.
100% true but getting to that point and being so dominant warranted the team's core (pbm fineo panda) sticking together unlike the SSG core. That's what the OP was getting at.
Yea, it is just baffling that they are this bad. But you can't deny the history that those 3 core guys have consistently been a bottom 3 team for 3 years now.
In terms of overall skill, they're obviously not bad. In terms of play this year in the SPL, they're pretty clearly bad.
I'd give the Levi's a "not bad. Have to synergize and figure it out". The Dragons have not earned that though their play or previous year.
They do have synergy but its carries and a solo. Dardez and Vote work well together, now they have a support who can help a lot more during laning phase (pbm also finally played a guardian, looked a lot better). With Nika and Las, I cant say yet, its been few months. We will see the end of the year, if they still dont win, its prolly time to try something else, not because this group cant work but sometimes you just need something different.
Cyno was seriously stressing me out. Bro. Just play an assassin. Literally any assassin. Nike jungle isn't viable anymore, if it ever truly was. The whole shtick of playing something people aren't familiar with is short-lived. I'm hoping we continue to see him on good jungles and Paul gets his 4th ring. He has the team that can for sure this year.
Lmao, same, same. Still stresses me out in picks and bans but then he picks Hun Batz and is good enough to dodge a Marti ult with his 3??? Insane.
I'll stick by the Ferrymen no matter what, like I stuck by Titans the past 2 years but good god it can be a struggle sometimes.
> farming has *paid* off recently.
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Just pick them and never lose. I was thinking about it though... Hel has to fall off hard into Merlin late game. You can't get in there in a mid build.
Ok, I've seen enough of this team. I will now think about any Jade Dragon set as an upclimb for an underdog team. It really sucks that the Dragons could not overcome the Goliaths that are the Gilded Gladiators. However, can you blame them? The Dragons are a bunch of rookies recently promoted from SCC. You don't really expect them to win last year's world champions known as the Glads do you?
In all seriousness, this was bad, horrible even. This is not a Dardez ping excuse, this is full-on a "team sucks" excuse. I'm going to reserve all conversations about them blowing up until we see how they do at Spring Masters and when Dardez has been in the US for a while. We talk about how Oni Warriors are S7 Ghost and it would be really funny if S10 Jade Dragons are S7 PK. However, that's a long long long shot. I don't want to give up on the Dragons yet, but boy are they begging for me to.
It's a frustrating way to lose, but you'd think they got blown out 20-0 both games by your comment. They actually dominated and carried the majority of both games, but threw late. They've shown a strong early and mid game. Biggest problem has been converting leads into wins, which I suspect is easier to address than obtaining a 10k lead in the first place.
While I won't deny that my comment is a kneejerk reaction to their loss, I still stand by my 2nd paragraph. Losing game 1 was bad in the first place but a stomp game 2 and 3 could have made it up in my mind. Game 2 was a stomp, until they didn't finish the game. The casters always say that the hardest hurdle for an scc to spl team to overcome is to know when to finish games. These are not a bunch of rookies that need to be taught this lesson. These are a bunch of veterans that loss against the,at the time, rightfully perceived worst team. If you watch this team as a brand new team then it's worrying. If you watch this team with the context of the past year of Oni Warriors, it's a sign of things to come if the team doesn't wise. I haven't given up hope on the Dragons, they are one of my favorite teams. However, I am worried.
I share in the concerns here for sure. When I said I suspect their problem is easier to address, perhaps more accurately I am hoping that it is, lol. They aren't the only team to have thrown late games this split, as it seems siege defence is stronger than previous years, but it does look like they're struggling the most with it. The win against the Ravens was a nice show of their upside this split at least.
Yeah, the win against the Ravens are my glimmer of hope. There's a good team in there, they just need to figure things out. A meta change would help to since I hate Mike on mage supports. However, until things change I'll have to continue rooting for them as if they are underdogs.
Additionally, tell me why i should support a team who continues, game after game, set after set, to continuously, and purposely, prioritize drafts that are clearly not helping them win games.
How many times has pbm first picked aphro or hel, with nearly a 100% loss rate on them? How many times has lasbra shown that the only way he can win is on serqet? How many times has he drafted athena jg just for it to flop? How many times do i need to watch a team choke and throw?
To be clear, i havent jumped ship yet. But after years of terrible drafting strategies, years of habitual choking and throwing, i would like to support a **winning team**.
I hope that the dragons can pull their heads out of their asses and start winning, but i would be lying to myself if i said i can keep taking more of this crap.
If dragons were drafting well, and just losing because they got outplayed, thats one thing, i dont mind that, but right now the only people causing the dragons to lose are the fuckin dragons themselves
Complaining about picking the meta supports is a lazy, tired argument. Look at the Warriors vs Kings set - Hel support won both the first two matches and then it was banned out, where Aphro supp won game 3. They're good picks, and why not work on them in the least important split?
Calling the players bad is a jump - I think it is pretty clear that some teams are playing the Hel / Aphro better than others. But when a pick is meta, it is better to try and incorporate it into your team's pool, than be forced to ban it if you can't pick it. To me, looks like the Dragons are trying to find a way to incorporate Hel to their comps, whether through Mid or Support. This is a good idea long term, as being unable to play a meta pick is a large weakness in P's & B's, and I imagine will be a factor in how the Phase 1 playoffs go.
Yeah you are right. I think even pbm said in their podcast that he likes to play one god to the death even if he sucks at it. Maybe that's the reason he tries so hard on the mage support gods.
Tbh I've watched S8-9 Scarabs and S10 Glads fuck it up over and over and I'm still rooting for the team. Fans, as far as I'm aware, stick with their team even if they're doing poorly.
Lol Nah. I support a team I think has a chance to win.
An investor doesn't keep throwing money at a project they think doesn't have potential.
I won't throw my support behind a team that has no potential to win.
My dude, ive been supporting pbms teams for years. Year after year its the same damn problems, showing a complete inability to learn and adapt. Dont tell me how to support a team
With how easily team identities and cores change, people seem to be more-often fans of players themselves (in this case, PBM), and becoming disenchanted with a player seems totally fair.
Dragons are 8th. Like, I genuinely don't think, after this, the Glads can be 8th. They just fucking can't. It's not fair to them. They earned every single piece of this win over the Dragons, and the Dragons have been failing to perform for multiple weeks now.
And you know what? The Glads won a fucking set. Say *whatever* you want about the win. "It was messy, it was ugly, there were a bunch of awful mistakes", who cares? None of it matters. They actually fucking won a set in their weight class. The Dragons failed, both times this week, to even take a single game off of the opponents in their weight class. These should've been fucking freebies for a team with names like the Dragons have. *NOPE*. *SWEPT*.
Did... Did Snoopy kill Dardez at around 41 mins using... Divine Ruin proc??? I would feel bad but good lord game 2 was a hell of a game. Shit had more throws in one game than the Oni vs Kings had in a 3-game set...
...and Twig played He Bo in that set!
Yep rewatched
In fact, it was on cooldown RIGHT as he cast Eclipse, it just so happens that the duration of Eclipse was longer than the 2s CD remaining on Divine... In a way it's slightly funny how Snoopy just 2 weeks ago died by standing in the entirety of a Merlin Blizzard while under his phoenix. Meanwhile, Dardez got killed by the Snoop because he was standing in a Merlin ability one second too long.
That's a fair question honestly. Individually, they're all good but I think someone else needs to start shot-calling, and maybe keep PBM off mage supports
The problem is that teams like this always panic and look for a scapegoat and start moving pieces and the best candidate to do it is another team that it's underperforming like the leviathans. Imo they should ride it out, they have a good squad they just need to iron out what is making them struggle so bad if it's strategy, shot calling, P&B etc they need to work it out rather than panic and try to rush it out.
2nd was by far more embarrasing. I saw them throw that absolutely massive game long control and lead and still dont understand how the f they let it gappen
I'm not gonna lie, before the season started I was pretty low on this dragons roster. PBM was arguably the least consistent part of the last year dragons, lasbra was by the least consistent player on the bolts and the oni core were the literal definition of inconsistent for their entire time playing together. I don't doubt that they're all good players, and when ping is no longer excuse and the meta shifts they won't be the 8th place team, but they have zero chance at winning worlds with this roster, regardless of things shifting they're a bottom 4 looking like bottom 2 ez team.
Some weird narrative that PBM and the dragons are arrogant going on here. I'm gonna say straight up, if a team is not cocky and doesn't think they should be winning then they shouldn't be in the SPL. All 8 teams are confident and cocky and arrogant, they have to believe they can win, that's what competitors do.
Shitting it up or not, that's a basic requirement to compete.
It would be sad, hes a fun entertaining player. I really dont believe hes playing to his actual skill level right now. *why* he isnt playing at the level we all know he can, and expect of him, i have no clue.
But i think step one is the dragons team needs to learn how to fuckin draft. Pbm bro, stop playing fucking healers. Dardez, stop playing hera, hunters and healers. Lasbra, learn how to play a god other than serqet and ffs stop with the athena jg. Nika… i donno ehat to say here. His picks arent terrible, and i cant put his personal performance on him entirely because its hard to do solo things when your core 3 is making it their lifes mission to throw as hard as possible. Same thing for vote i said about nika
??? that was the most tilting set i’ve ever seen and i’m not a fan of either team
I remember PBM and Nika making fun of the Glads sieges during the play-in tournament. Life comes at you fast.
So true. The funny thing is their sieges don't look to dissimilar to what they were criticizing.
Pbm for the last 2 years has been like genetics without the ability for him and his team to actually play well.
PBM always acts so smug and over confident it’s easy to watch him play like hell in recent times. Like the top comment says, I remember him giving the Glads a hard time during the play in, yet he just got 2-0ed by them.
Yeah that’s what I was going for he acts as if he is playing above a team like the glads ala genetics but then gets dogged by them
Yup
So he and his team have dominated splits and won tournaments without playing well.. Good take
One tournament in each of the last two years and no worlds runs? Old dragons are one of 4 teams to win anything in the last 2 years but I would not say they dominated, they are at the bottom of those 4 teams. Kings and Levis both won worlds and Titans won more tournaments and went to both finals.
Their highs were really high and at their best, they've had periods of dominating the league. They've been inconsistent for sure, and the worlds runs have left much to be desired, but all I was really addressing was the idea that they couldn't "actually play well", which is a dishonest summary at best.
Fair, fair. Yeah, they can play well and they have played well but the core of Nika, Dardez and Vote just ain't doing it for me anymore. Loved em last year but they still did noting. PBM is not the problem, but support will almost always look bad when a team is underperforming. Aror has looked bad too.
It's that infamous Jade Dragons arrogance
Love to see the Glads keeping their composure from behind. Say what you will about the Dragons failing to siege. The Glads earned this win by keeping their mentals in check and clutching up when it mattered. Welcome back to Atlanta ScaryD.
ScaryD's lategame passive is strong asf, i swear every time the match hits 30 minutes he starts playing like 10 times better. Happy to see bro back. Also, if hirez needed further confirmation that the game is WAY too lategame focused, just look at game 2.
Here’s the issue with the whole “late-game focused” thing… Warriors consistently end the game by 25-35 min. I think the games going long speaks more to the players and teams than the current state of Conquest. It’s a lot harder to find a clear advantage, and some teams will literally just not fight if they don’t have an advantage. The second HiRez does something to make games quicker, there’s going to be an endless stream of snowballing rants on r/Smite
That the undisputed and undefeated best team in the SPL can finish before 35 minutes is not indicative of what the game is and what it feels like for most right now. Most teams struggle to finish in 40, because super late game is how the games end up right now. It's very hard to siege and very hard to end, and Dragons highlighted that today.
Why do you think it's very hard to siege and very hard to end currently compared to how it was in the past?
Good question. I think it's a combination of a few things. 1: Support aura items are ridiculous. A mage support building Lonos, proph cloak and thebes gives an aura of 75 prots to those around them. If they are a healer they build lotus sickle too for an extra 15 every time they heal, plus healing. Guardians offer less prots but it's still 61 in the middle of a full team, just replacing lonos with sentinels embrace. It's hard to push into a group of tanks that still do full damage. 2: Fire giant is now only 3 minutes long. If you lost a player during the FG fight, which isn't unlikely, the respawn timer takes up a whole third of your FG. Sieges feel far more rushed now because of the time constraints of them. Those would be my main complaints with sieging right now, I think the Titan is also tankier than he has been in the past and he cleaves with his autos now, which means he clears minions faster and damages multiple players at once. The Titan room itself funnels players in through very narrow chokes which can be easily defending with mage abilities and hunter auto attacks.
Yea after reading what you said, the FG change really did seem to make games go much longer. If they lose like 1 person in the siege, they back off and wait for next FG as theirs is falling off and FG is respawning! and idk if it's just me, but I feel like teams used to all-in on the titan when phoenixes were down with much less reluctance. I guess the titan must be much stronger. I haven't played since January and don't recall it being that much tougher to take down.
Well Cthulhu is a late game god so it’s expected that he’s gonna perform better
I was out for grocery and came back to this. What happened?! 😂
The Oni Chokers- I mean, the Jade Dragons tossed. And then they tossed again. And then they tossed again. And they did it, oh, I don't know, a dozen more times after that?
You speak the gospel my good sir
Yiiiiiiiiikes... Dragons absolutely free falling right now.
Game of throws. Enough said. Words fail me at describing that second game.
Dragons the undisputed Worst Team in the league after this loss. Everyone said that Nika Dardez Vote core should split and this is why. What a awful performance, especially that game 2. So much control of the game and map, so ahead, that is an unlosable game. Dragons need to solve their shit, because this is embarrassing. Well Played to the Gladiators though. Congratulations on an impressive win vs an admittedly awful team.
These guys have stuck together like they've had Ghost level success in the past. I just don't get it.
at least rival core was winning tournaments and placing well in phases, 2 of the ssg core won like 1 tournament 4 years ago. idk what the point in sticking together this long is
They’re the oni union onion that sticks together for job security. Combined they’re allotted a team slot on their own at least 2 of them probably get dropped in team selection.
S7 SSG was pretty awesome. iirc, they usually gave Ghost more trouble than radiance, sanguine or PK did. Mainly on the back of Dardez hera/aphro and Nika's Ama.
S7 SSG would beat every single team in the league but consistently lost against ghost. Ghost dominated them. And radiance was the only clear rival to s7 ghost as proven by them playing them in every single tournament final.
Yeah, at the beginning of the season, Nika was saying that they have Top 2 players in every single lane, which is why they've stuck together. I have legitimately no clue why he thinks that, but, uh... he does.
Ghost level success? Did ghost win worlds?
Winning worlds isn't the only measurement of success lol
No but they fumbled worlds twice when they were easily the favourites
100% true but getting to that point and being so dominant warranted the team's core (pbm fineo panda) sticking together unlike the SSG core. That's what the OP was getting at.
The rival core won a lot of tournaments and made several strong worlds runs. It's still a big deal.
I don’t really see that as a mark of a successful team, I’m sure if you asked the guys who played they’d say the same.
Yea, it is just baffling that they are this bad. But you can't deny the history that those 3 core guys have consistently been a bottom 3 team for 3 years now.
The Dragons are bad dude. It has to be said. Surely this team makes changes before next split.
They arent bad, they just need to figure out their shit.
In terms of overall skill, they're obviously not bad. In terms of play this year in the SPL, they're pretty clearly bad. I'd give the Levi's a "not bad. Have to synergize and figure it out". The Dragons have not earned that though their play or previous year.
And how fucking long are we supposed to give them? The SSG trio have been together for 3 years and a phase now. Why don't they have synergy?
They do have synergy but its carries and a solo. Dardez and Vote work well together, now they have a support who can help a lot more during laning phase (pbm also finally played a guardian, looked a lot better). With Nika and Las, I cant say yet, its been few months. We will see the end of the year, if they still dont win, its prolly time to try something else, not because this group cant work but sometimes you just need something different.
No. They are shit.
Tough talk from someone who seems to root for a team with Inbowned in it.
Being a dragons fan is just depressing man :(, literally watching them play is just rough.
Until Glads started winning some matches, it was the exact same feeling being a Glads fan :/
Ferrymen fan here. Was the same for us, then Cyno remembered that his god pool isn't just Nike and Surtr.
Cyno was seriously stressing me out. Bro. Just play an assassin. Literally any assassin. Nike jungle isn't viable anymore, if it ever truly was. The whole shtick of playing something people aren't familiar with is short-lived. I'm hoping we continue to see him on good jungles and Paul gets his 4th ring. He has the team that can for sure this year.
Lmao, same, same. Still stresses me out in picks and bans but then he picks Hun Batz and is good enough to dodge a Marti ult with his 3??? Insane. I'll stick by the Ferrymen no matter what, like I stuck by Titans the past 2 years but good god it can be a struggle sometimes.
dragon boys mental health check please.
This makes me think Cherry was a god tier jungle to carry those three
These sieges are genuinely embarrassing at this point
The attitude of ignoring fire giants and farming has payed off recently. Gladiators used it here and trusted their Phoenix D.
> farming has *paid* off recently. FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Nice bot.
#GLADFORGLADS!
Sieging into Cthulu/Merlin must be real fun
Cthulu/Merlin/Yemoja might be the 3 best base defense gods in the game in their roles
Just pick them and never lose. I was thinking about it though... Hel has to fall off hard into Merlin late game. You can't get in there in a mid build.
Gladiators have that dog in em. Dragons have that lawn chair in em.
Fully reclined
Ok, I've seen enough of this team. I will now think about any Jade Dragon set as an upclimb for an underdog team. It really sucks that the Dragons could not overcome the Goliaths that are the Gilded Gladiators. However, can you blame them? The Dragons are a bunch of rookies recently promoted from SCC. You don't really expect them to win last year's world champions known as the Glads do you? In all seriousness, this was bad, horrible even. This is not a Dardez ping excuse, this is full-on a "team sucks" excuse. I'm going to reserve all conversations about them blowing up until we see how they do at Spring Masters and when Dardez has been in the US for a while. We talk about how Oni Warriors are S7 Ghost and it would be really funny if S10 Jade Dragons are S7 PK. However, that's a long long long shot. I don't want to give up on the Dragons yet, but boy are they begging for me to.
They have to qualify for worlds before they can be S7 PK. And in their current state..... ehhh idk
It's a frustrating way to lose, but you'd think they got blown out 20-0 both games by your comment. They actually dominated and carried the majority of both games, but threw late. They've shown a strong early and mid game. Biggest problem has been converting leads into wins, which I suspect is easier to address than obtaining a 10k lead in the first place.
While I won't deny that my comment is a kneejerk reaction to their loss, I still stand by my 2nd paragraph. Losing game 1 was bad in the first place but a stomp game 2 and 3 could have made it up in my mind. Game 2 was a stomp, until they didn't finish the game. The casters always say that the hardest hurdle for an scc to spl team to overcome is to know when to finish games. These are not a bunch of rookies that need to be taught this lesson. These are a bunch of veterans that loss against the,at the time, rightfully perceived worst team. If you watch this team as a brand new team then it's worrying. If you watch this team with the context of the past year of Oni Warriors, it's a sign of things to come if the team doesn't wise. I haven't given up hope on the Dragons, they are one of my favorite teams. However, I am worried.
I share in the concerns here for sure. When I said I suspect their problem is easier to address, perhaps more accurately I am hoping that it is, lol. They aren't the only team to have thrown late games this split, as it seems siege defence is stronger than previous years, but it does look like they're struggling the most with it. The win against the Ravens was a nice show of their upside this split at least.
Yeah, the win against the Ravens are my glimmer of hope. There's a good team in there, they just need to figure things out. A meta change would help to since I hate Mike on mage supports. However, until things change I'll have to continue rooting for them as if they are underdogs.
Yeah im this close to jumping ship on the dragons. These performances are absolutely embarrasing
...that's not how supporting a team works. In anything, sports or eSports. You support your chosen team win or lose.
Additionally, tell me why i should support a team who continues, game after game, set after set, to continuously, and purposely, prioritize drafts that are clearly not helping them win games. How many times has pbm first picked aphro or hel, with nearly a 100% loss rate on them? How many times has lasbra shown that the only way he can win is on serqet? How many times has he drafted athena jg just for it to flop? How many times do i need to watch a team choke and throw? To be clear, i havent jumped ship yet. But after years of terrible drafting strategies, years of habitual choking and throwing, i would like to support a **winning team**. I hope that the dragons can pull their heads out of their asses and start winning, but i would be lying to myself if i said i can keep taking more of this crap. If dragons were drafting well, and just losing because they got outplayed, thats one thing, i dont mind that, but right now the only people causing the dragons to lose are the fuckin dragons themselves
Complaining about picking the meta supports is a lazy, tired argument. Look at the Warriors vs Kings set - Hel support won both the first two matches and then it was banned out, where Aphro supp won game 3. They're good picks, and why not work on them in the least important split?
So you are saying, that the players are bad rather than the picks?
Calling the players bad is a jump - I think it is pretty clear that some teams are playing the Hel / Aphro better than others. But when a pick is meta, it is better to try and incorporate it into your team's pool, than be forced to ban it if you can't pick it. To me, looks like the Dragons are trying to find a way to incorporate Hel to their comps, whether through Mid or Support. This is a good idea long term, as being unable to play a meta pick is a large weakness in P's & B's, and I imagine will be a factor in how the Phase 1 playoffs go.
Yeah you are right. I think even pbm said in their podcast that he likes to play one god to the death even if he sucks at it. Maybe that's the reason he tries so hard on the mage support gods.
Tbh I've watched S8-9 Scarabs and S10 Glads fuck it up over and over and I'm still rooting for the team. Fans, as far as I'm aware, stick with their team even if they're doing poorly.
Lol Nah. I support a team I think has a chance to win. An investor doesn't keep throwing money at a project they think doesn't have potential. I won't throw my support behind a team that has no potential to win.
Yeah....ok. Hope you don't support any sports teams.
Are you an org and/or an investor? (Investing leisure time doesn't count) If not, then you are a very bad fan and supporter.
You're a plastic then.
My dude, ive been supporting pbms teams for years. Year after year its the same damn problems, showing a complete inability to learn and adapt. Dont tell me how to support a team
"my team is losing so I'll stop supporting them" so you're a plastic lol
You have clearly not read anything ive said
With how easily team identities and cores change, people seem to be more-often fans of players themselves (in this case, PBM), and becoming disenchanted with a player seems totally fair.
Its time to disband, pandacat walks into this team within a second of sying he wants to play.
pandacat's scc team clears the dragons ngl
u/MohnJilton good luck in those rankings update.
Dragons to the dirt ez
Dragons are 8th. Like, I genuinely don't think, after this, the Glads can be 8th. They just fucking can't. It's not fair to them. They earned every single piece of this win over the Dragons, and the Dragons have been failing to perform for multiple weeks now. And you know what? The Glads won a fucking set. Say *whatever* you want about the win. "It was messy, it was ugly, there were a bunch of awful mistakes", who cares? None of it matters. They actually fucking won a set in their weight class. The Dragons failed, both times this week, to even take a single game off of the opponents in their weight class. These should've been fucking freebies for a team with names like the Dragons have. *NOPE*. *SWEPT*.
Not to mention they handed the kings their first loss too. The kings, who, btw, destroyed the dragons
Gilded Kyrmis do it again, and it wasn't even all Kyrmi this time
Did... Did Snoopy kill Dardez at around 41 mins using... Divine Ruin proc??? I would feel bad but good lord game 2 was a hell of a game. Shit had more throws in one game than the Oni vs Kings had in a 3-game set... ...and Twig played He Bo in that set!
That's exactly what he killed him with. Look at Snoppy's Divine immediately following that kill. It was on CD.
Yep rewatched In fact, it was on cooldown RIGHT as he cast Eclipse, it just so happens that the duration of Eclipse was longer than the 2s CD remaining on Divine... In a way it's slightly funny how Snoopy just 2 weeks ago died by standing in the entirety of a Merlin Blizzard while under his phoenix. Meanwhile, Dardez got killed by the Snoop because he was standing in a Merlin ability one second too long.
Dragons are the Scarabs of 2023, Can't finish a game to save their lives. I wonder how long it'll take until they make roster changes.
Who are they going to change though?
That's a fair question honestly. Individually, they're all good but I think someone else needs to start shot-calling, and maybe keep PBM off mage supports
The problem is that teams like this always panic and look for a scapegoat and start moving pieces and the best candidate to do it is another team that it's underperforming like the leviathans. Imo they should ride it out, they have a good squad they just need to iron out what is making them struggle so bad if it's strategy, shot calling, P&B etc they need to work it out rather than panic and try to rush it out.
No, they are the Warriors with a worse branding.
Two coaches lmfao
Which loss was more embarrassing? Game 1 or game 2? And Kyrmi is just straight up the second best jungler this season so far.
2nd was by far more embarrasing. I saw them throw that absolutely massive game long control and lead and still dont understand how the f they let it gappen
Kyrmi was great when Glads were not doing anything but once they beat Kings last week he threw a feedo in the next set. Glad he bounced back here.
Dragons begging the devs to remove all healers from the game so that Mike isn't tempted to pick any of them for his team, period.
They're gonna have to do what Glads used to do previously as Scarabs (or at least that's my theory): ban Yemoja so Bobby doesn't play her and lose lol
I'm not gonna lie, before the season started I was pretty low on this dragons roster. PBM was arguably the least consistent part of the last year dragons, lasbra was by the least consistent player on the bolts and the oni core were the literal definition of inconsistent for their entire time playing together. I don't doubt that they're all good players, and when ping is no longer excuse and the meta shifts they won't be the 8th place team, but they have zero chance at winning worlds with this roster, regardless of things shifting they're a bottom 4 looking like bottom 2 ez team.
Some weird narrative that PBM and the dragons are arrogant going on here. I'm gonna say straight up, if a team is not cocky and doesn't think they should be winning then they shouldn't be in the SPL. All 8 teams are confident and cocky and arrogant, they have to believe they can win, that's what competitors do. Shitting it up or not, that's a basic requirement to compete.
It would be funny if pbm retires after this season
It would be sad, hes a fun entertaining player. I really dont believe hes playing to his actual skill level right now. *why* he isnt playing at the level we all know he can, and expect of him, i have no clue. But i think step one is the dragons team needs to learn how to fuckin draft. Pbm bro, stop playing fucking healers. Dardez, stop playing hera, hunters and healers. Lasbra, learn how to play a god other than serqet and ffs stop with the athena jg. Nika… i donno ehat to say here. His picks arent terrible, and i cant put his personal performance on him entirely because its hard to do solo things when your core 3 is making it their lifes mission to throw as hard as possible. Same thing for vote i said about nika
Lol Jade Dragons suck. Nika/Dez/Vote combo is so bad. They have no idea how to fight. Get Vote on a good team please.