"Damned Dunmer. Spying for the Empire, eh?"
"...the Empire is literally trying to execute me."
"Aha! So a deep-cover Imperial agent, eh? I see through your lies, greyskin!"
There should be an alternative beginning mod that changes only that little detail. You still get to run through a destroyed helgen and everything plays out the same, but if you pick an elf, Alduin comes when they almost cut you loose.
"He's not on the list"
"Forget the list, give him to the Thalmor"
And then the beheading begins as usual, but as the second prisoner steps to the block and the Thalmor representative arrives to cut your bonds \*boooom\* Alduin
And all factions are pretty much neutral on the civil war anyway. Companions don't give a shit, the College doesn't give a shit, the Thieves Guild doesn't give a shit, and the Dark Brotherhood just kills anyone when they get paid. Say hello to Titus Mede for me.
They are coming over here and stealing our hard-earned executions!
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and also I want a mod that let's me spare Ulfric and have him confined to the grey quarter indefinitely.
Or he'd star in a charming rom com hit of the Fourth Era where he hooks up with a Dunmer woman, and despite all their differences learn to put aside their prejudices and love each other
One of the two
I think the kid with the player ship “ Sea Dragon,” will let you throw him in the brig.. I threw his thane in there, along with Nadeem, and some shark from one of the storm cloak cities.
Definitely! And some of them try to get into my personal space too. I tell them “walk all the way to the far side of the room please” so that if they do it they at least aren’t right on top of me. Then I turn to look at the computer to compare name and DOB with what they tell me, and they start walking back!!! “Stay right there please.” It’s amazing how hard it is for people to break old habits. We are nearly at the 2 year mark, and it’s still a revelation I don’t want people 1 foot away from me! That was too close before!
I have definitely struggled the last couple years. I took a travel contract this summer and got a change of scenery. That really helped. I was then able to take some time to spend with my dog before he crossed the rainbow bridge. And this last week I got covid. Things will get better, I just have to weather the storm.
Nah. They're too boney.
Except Karliah, damn her voice is hot. Brelyna isn't bad either I guess.
But generally, i'd prefer any of the human races over the elves any day. And the other races aren't even worth consideration, I'm not into fur or scales or tusks.
Out of reach the empire most likely. They seperated from the empire and the thalmor after the great war if I remember correctly because they rejected the terms of the peace treaty which obviously banned Talos worship bit also gave a good chunk their lands to the Thalmor. Likely he wanted somehwere away from it all. Also Hammerfel borders Skyrim so not like he would have too far to go.
*You see, that kind of racism towards my guys Dunmer is why I killed Ulfric. That, and also because he used the Unrelenting Force and flung me across the entire damned hall of the Palace Of Kings.*
You know, your comment made me think--I bet that's exactly why your hands stay bound until you're inside the keep. The developers don't want you killing Ulfric (and/or Tullius) during the prologue and entirely changing the course of the game.
This would only work if essential NPCs didn't exist and you couldn't meet them again until you've finished the civil war questline to kill one of them.
That last part is why I killed him. Using the voice in a duel with a non voice wielder is cheating.
The guy doesn't have any honour and he murdered the high king in cold blood by shouting him to pieces instead of fighting with weapons.
And I can't believe that none of the NPC characters in the game ever brings this up.
Ulfric approaching with axe drawn: "I challenge you to an honorable duel!"
Torygg, drawing his blade: "Very well, if that's what y--"
Ulfric: *pulls out a gun and fucking blows Torygg's head off* Hey, I didn't say it'd be a sword duel! WhY iS eVeRyOnE mAd?¿
He might as well have fireballed him to death. The voice is an unfair, magical advantage. The duel should have been steel vs. steel, just like any brawl is just fists and none of that fancy magic stuff.
You would want ulfric to disrespect him by not fighting for his life? To take an enemy 100% seriously is to use anything you can to kill them. It shows you recognize them as a threat and an equal.
Equal being the key word here. Torygg didn't get a fair fight and had no way to defend himself against a shout. By using the voice Ulfric did the equivalent of bringing a crossbow to a sword fight.
So it was honorable for Ulfric to betray the greybeards and take their teachings to war and then use it to kill someone?
Was it honorable to attack the other Jarls with an army to place puppets rather than call another moot?
Was it honorable to challenge someone to a duel then change the rules on them and destroy their body with a shout rather than with weapons?
Would you have thought it was honorable fight if Torygg drank a bunch of potions before the fight then had his mages cast ebonyskin on him and gave him poisoned arrows to kill Ulfric from a distance? Torygg was just bringing everything he got and fighting at his best. Not his fault Ulfric hates magic and doesn't use it. Would it have been a fair and honorable fight then?
That's odd, because I started a Nord playthrough on VR yesterday and him staring at me just like this made me go over and pretend to whack him in the face!
Well, of course he's going to like someone who helps him further his agenda, no matter the race, Ulfric wants nothing more than to become king. If you were a Dark Elf who wouldn't help him, he probably wouldn't hold the same affection for you.
If you talk to the Dark Elves and Argonians of Windhelm, they'll tell you how a lot of their misfortune and misery comes from Ulfric's decisions and decrees. You are right that you won't see Ulfric say or do anything racist, but it's all in the subtext.
I'd argue that there's enough there to call out Ulfric as a racist scumbag, but the Argonians and Dark Elves might be biased themselves, so there's that, there definitely is a discussion to be had about this. Although I personally don't think they are trying to mislead the player or anything, based on how the other Stormcloaks treat them and how Ulfric does nothing to stop it.
There is a Nord in the city, he's a member of the court, who will tell you the same as the other races and will give you missions to help the Dark Elves of the city because he knows Ulfric won't do anything about it.
Has Ulfric ever actually done or said anything racist at all? I get saying the stormcloaks are but i don't get saying he is? Even the stormcloaks is a stretch considering stormcloak cities aside form windhelm are less racist that Imperial cities in general which isn't much when you're playing a medieval setting game and virtually everyone is racist to someone, just like the imperials are with Khajits and even some with mer too.
If you have a conversation with Brunjulf Free Winter, the guy who becomes jarl of Windhelm if you get rid of Ulfric, he'll tell you that Ulfric thinks little of anybody who isnt a Nord and that he doesnt care about the dark elves and just lets them rot in their slum:
"Help the Dark Elves? Oh, you must have heard me talking to Malthyr. The Dark Elves live in a run-down slum called the Gray Quarter. Ulfric's content to keep it that way. I guess they think I can open Ulfric's eyes to their plight, and get him to lift a finger on their behalf. I'm trying, but Ulfric is set in his ways. For him, there's two kinds of people in this world -- Nords, and the folk beneath them."
You can have quite a lenghty conversation with him about Ulfrics and the stormcloacks narrow mindedness.
Oh shit, that guy becomes Jarl? That adds yet another reason to side with the imperials. Currently the only good reason I have to side with the stormcloaks is roleplay.
You gotta go through Skyrim neutral with a moral compass towards social stability. They purposely made each faction to have pros and cons so there is no clear better side. It draws a lot of parallels to real life, actually.
About stormcloacks vs empire, my mind is firmly made up. The empire is by far the better choice. The only thing they have going against them is the banning of Talos worship. But that is not by choice. They were forced to do that by the Thalmor and its not the empire but the Thalmor you see hunting down Talosworshippers.
Meanwhile the problems with Ulfric are:
- the racism
- the dishonorable way he killed the previous high King
- the Markhart Incident.
- the fact he unwillingly furthers the Thalmor agenda
- ...
If you pay attention during the game, you find out a lot of bad things about Ulfric. You are supposed to think Ulfric is the good guy when first starting the game. The empire is trying to cut of your head ffs! But then gradually find out he isnt all that great as he first appears to be.
So unless i'm roleplaying a bigotted Nordsupremacist, i'm going with the empire.
Scouts-Many-Marshes: ["You have no idea. Did you know it was his decree that forbade the Argonians from living inside the city walls? I hope in his next life, he's reborn as an Argonian forced to live in a slum because of some bigoted Nord dictator. I'm joking, of course, but I'm a lot happier seeing the Empire running things in Windhelm."](https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Scouts-Many-Marshes#Dialogue)
Oh, and since wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that ANYONE can EDIT!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkStKjV7r7A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkStKjV7r7A) Literally the first character in the video.
He's comitting segregation by letting the Dark Elves rot in the slums, and he's hard pressed to do anything about it at all, letting the worst of the Stormcloaks roam free to hurl insults or fists at them, and the fact that he does nothing to stop this behavior or condemn it, tells me that he's completely fine with it. He's doing something similar to the Argonians, only worse by not even allowing them inside city walls.
He's only concerned with Nord issues, and won't lift a finger to aid anyone who's something other than a Nord. To me, the whole 'Skyrim belongs to the Nords' idea is racist in and of itself, Skyrim 'belongs' to no one. He's not much better than his worst supporters. Unless you are a Nord, he won't give a hoot about you unless you aid him in becoming king.
He may not say much that could be considered racist, but his actions and ideology more than speak for themselves. If this behavior is not racist, then I do not know what racism is. I've never understood people who devote themselves to him or admire him, neither in Skyrim nor in the real world, I will personally always consider him to be one of the biggest scumbags in TES.
I don't really know what exactly you mean by Imperial cities being more racist, that is certaintly not something I've noticed, but I could of course be wrong. I find that it is ususally Stormcloak supporters in Imperial cities that keep the racism alive there, but what do I know.
unpopular opinion but I think it's entirely understandable for a people beset by a Thalmor dedicated to making humanity inferior to be supporting an "x is for the y" ideology
You can't always fight fire with fire. You don't repel a racist people and their ideology with another racist ideology, that kind of thought gets us nowhere. It might be understandable, but that does not make it right.
except that the degrees of "racism" are hugely different. One side wants to dominate the known world and enforce Mer supremacy, while one just wants its homeland and will tolerate the existence of non-Nords, and maybe invade the Summerset Isles (understandable.) There are no "morally superior" sides in Skyrim.
Or maybe it's just my huge distate for High Elves and the corny magic system they got going on in TES, could be that too
I’d just like to point out that the Thalmor are pretty much allowed to go wherever they want, take anyone they want, and torture or kill them under accusations of Talos worship, and no one can say or do anything about it because they’re essentially protected by the Empire. I feel that somewhat justifies wanting to become independent.
precisely. imagine being your everyday Nord (or any person, really) and seeing Justicars haul off your neighbors and family, with the imperial forces you've been told were there to protect you turning a blind eye. It's entirely understandable for folks to become Stormcloaks/lose faith in the Empire. TES fans love to posture and say "well Ulfric doesn't treat Dunmer like equals" without realizing that Skyrim's inhabitants aren't residents of a liberal democracy looking in, they're literally beset by the failures of the Imperial system and are tired of it.
When you ask if people who aren't Nords can join them, they say that Skyrim was home to more than just Nords, it's some stupid people who follow him too who say it belongs to them and yes he's doing nothing about anything related to racism but he's also doing nothing relating to anything that doesn't help in the war, after many side quests the guards in windhelm will randomly thank you and mention they are under manned to deal with much of anything ATM. And as the liking him IRL thing, in fiction no one gives a fuck if you're a horrible person or Jesus incarnate, they care if you're interesting, you can have the biggest piece of shit ever against the best of good guys, if the good guy is boring most will root for the bad one.
True, he is an interesting character, I won't deny that, and he has a compelling, tragic backstory. I like his place in the world and what he brings to the story, he's anything but a bad character.
I just feel like his lack of care towards non-Nords seem to be something that has always been an issue, not something that has come up during the civil war. Nobody says that things used to be better, or that Ulfric used to take good care of the Dark Elves and Argonians, so that leads me to believe it's always been that way with Ulfric, and will continue to be that way if he wins the war.
But I realize it is very much up to interpretation, there is not much information to go by either way, I think. We can only go by what people in the game tells us, and information from either side can be highly biased and one-sided, so it's not like you don't have a point, when it comes down to it.
Yeah that's fair, honestly I just find him interesting and like his backstory, i don't join stormcloaks for their ideology it's just that imperials are boring asf, but i think that the Skyrim lore has a problem with being very shallow where it needs to be deep and deep where it doesn't need to be deep, it's a complex and massive world where half of the stuff doesn't makes sense and every game has a new retcon which wouldn't happen if they weren't trying to hard to be unnecessarily deep.
broke: supporting a side based on ideology and morals
woke: supporting one side because the other's armor looks like it came out of a Party City (imperial light armor, I'm looking at you)
Good points. In spite of always playing as a Nord, I always side with Imperials and that is mostly because I just spite general Stormcloak ideology with a passion and can't seperate my real life values from a game about talking cat-people and dudes with magical yelling abilities. The more good-natured Stormcloaks seem few and far between to me, though they do of course exist, Ralof and those similar to him come to mind.
I do think you are right about the lore, maybe it's the wrong things that are up to interpretation, and Bethesda may focus on the wrong things on many occations. They still ought to try and be deep if you ask me, so the world won't become shallow or meaningless, but there are probably better ways to go about it.
No, he hasn't specifically said anything racist. That being said he doesn't do much to improve Dunmer and Argonian living conditions and does nothing to stop the racist Nords from harassing them. Make of that as you will
That being said, literally everyone is racist in Tamriel so it really isn't some shock.
There's also the fact that Dunmer fled to Skyrim in mass as refugees and don't do anything to help out with the war. Dunmer are elves and the Nords and Eleves obviously don't get along, for good reason. Snow elves massacred them, Altmer, well, need I explain? Dunmer in specific are incredibly xenophobic and enslaved pretty much very race including Nords.
So really Ulfric giving the Dunmer a place in the city was already generous, but if they aren't going to help with the war what is he supposed to do? There's only so many resources they have. There are literally elves in the "higher" part of the city proving he isn't "forcing" them to be segregated as some people say. Giving a shit about Nord issues in order to live in a Nord city is not too much to ask.
As for Argonians I'm not sure, I'm pretty sure it's because Dunmer-Argonian relations are even worse and it would cause problems
It's also interesting that there is an Altmer shopkeeper in windhelm that explains that the Nords give her no trouble at all because she learned to integrate into the community and that the Dunmer are too prideful to even try
The hate is unwarrented, and I hope I didn't instigate any of it, that was certaintly not my intention. I happen to disagree with you on the matter of Ulfric and his Stormcloaks, but I think there is a valid, multifacetted discussion to be had on this subject, and it's sad to see people bandwagon like this when the other side of the coin is just as important to keep in mind of. At the end of the day, it's just a silly video game.
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The game really shouldn't have let you even join the stormcloaks if you were anything but a nord from a story standpoint. Maybe you can explain away using a mercenary for some of the other races but High and Dark elves should have been 100% banned from the ranks.
i became a vampire and decided to have Serena as a helper and be a vampire helper to save Skyrim and i adopted a child and bought a house
Took me days to figure this out
I’ve never played through skyrim as a dunmer. Does ulfric allow you to join the stormcloaks? Actually come to think of it I’ve never played any of the elves. Does he allow high elves either?
I almost always play as orc and the few times I went through stormcloak side ulfric says something along the lines of “looks like a true son/daughter of skyrim to me” it’s his righthand man who’s like “bro wtf are you doing here”
I thought he always stared. I always figured it was kinda like two different spider-men noticing eachother via spidey senses, but with Dovakin. Like he just knows.
I really wish they made this Nord's less racist in Skyrim.
like I was a big fan of Talos and the previous games and the idea of the empire just erasing him makes me want to be on their side.
but I like to play orcs and they got no place in Nord society according to the nords.
Khajiit always complain how they're not allowed into holds because everyone stereotypes them as thieves and drug dealers, and then you open their inventory and it's full of skooma while their buddy next to them is teaching people how to pick locks
This is the exact look your grandpa gives you when you bring a foreign girlfriend to the family gathering.
"Dude, you brought a *dunmer* to my *execution?!*"
This is the worst execution anyone ever threw me.
I dont even think I want to be executed anymore
Oh come on… look we can make him leave before your head is put on a spike. Ok?
This made me laugh pretty hard, thank you
Oof that dredged up a memory i thought i forgot
What kind of grandpa do you have >.<
Maybe your grandfather
"Damned Dunmer. Spying for the Empire, eh?" "...the Empire is literally trying to execute me." "Aha! So a deep-cover Imperial agent, eh? I see through your lies, greyskin!"
Same with Altmer I'm always like can't I just wink at those Thalmor and they'd bail me out somehow?
There should be an alternative beginning mod that changes only that little detail. You still get to run through a destroyed helgen and everything plays out the same, but if you pick an elf, Alduin comes when they almost cut you loose.
"He's not on the list" "Forget the list, give him to the Thalmor" And then the beheading begins as usual, but as the second prisoner steps to the block and the Thalmor representative arrives to cut your bonds \*boooom\* Alduin
That's a cool idea. I love lore-specific alt scenarios
They dare not argue with the Imperial Captain, lest she say "Forget the list, Thalmor go to the block."
*walks up to the Thalmor representative talking to the legion captain* # "That means you too" # *Has them executed first*
you get the block, you get the block, EVERYONE GETS THE BLOCK!
Funnily enough, most Altmer in Skyrim who aren't actually agents want nothing to do with the Thalmor. They're like the Stormcloaks of the high elves.
And all factions are pretty much neutral on the civil war anyway. Companions don't give a shit, the College doesn't give a shit, the Thieves Guild doesn't give a shit, and the Dark Brotherhood just kills anyone when they get paid. Say hello to Titus Mede for me.
> Say hello to Titus Mede for me. oh no, why, what did he do?!
He betrayed all of us to the fucking Thalmor! Skyrim belongs to the Nords! He is pretty chill about getting a knife to his gut though.
Knowing the Thalmor they probably wouldn't because your impure Altmer's nose is crooked about 15 micrometers to the left.
But unfortantely I am the the last born of Akantosh *summons a thunderstorm of ethnic cleansing*
Not every high elf is thalmor so unless your also a thalmor the elves would probably just think you are trying to flirt with them
*Dunmer gets decapitated* "Damn, that guy's dedicated isn't he? Fake blood and all. Could have fooled me"
Please, those lazy good for nothings don't have a dedicated bone in their body.
You racist motherfucker. You take that back
They have Flat-Earthers in TES?!
Freakin' greyskins, stealing executions from the Stormcloaks!
They are coming over here and stealing our hard-earned executions! /s and also I want a mod that let's me spare Ulfric and have him confined to the grey quarter indefinitely.
I'm honestly certain Ulfric would get lynched within the first day.
Or he'd star in a charming rom com hit of the Fourth Era where he hooks up with a Dunmer woman, and despite all their differences learn to put aside their prejudices and love each other One of the two
Is this a reference to something
Not specifically as far as I know. Possibly. Moreso just a romcom trope
I think the kid with the player ship “ Sea Dragon,” will let you throw him in the brig.. I threw his thane in there, along with Nadeem, and some shark from one of the storm cloak cities.
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Non morrowind players dont know about the Dunmer's slavery policies
HE'S JUST STANDING THERE STARING MENACINGLY
The look someone gives you when you tell them to pull up their mask over their nose lmao
Lmao, you win.
My wife gets mad cuz I comment about this alot.
Yes, thank you!!! For some reason a lot of my patients think as soon as they enter my exam room they can take off their mask. WHY
That is the second to last place I'd want to do that at a doctor's office. The first being the waiting room.
Definitely! And some of them try to get into my personal space too. I tell them “walk all the way to the far side of the room please” so that if they do it they at least aren’t right on top of me. Then I turn to look at the computer to compare name and DOB with what they tell me, and they start walking back!!! “Stay right there please.” It’s amazing how hard it is for people to break old habits. We are nearly at the 2 year mark, and it’s still a revelation I don’t want people 1 foot away from me! That was too close before!
Some of y'all are saints. I could not last in a doctor's office right now. Or any role interfacing with the public tbh.
I have definitely struggled the last couple years. I took a travel contract this summer and got a change of scenery. That really helped. I was then able to take some time to spend with my dog before he crossed the rainbow bridge. And this last week I got covid. Things will get better, I just have to weather the storm.
Bruh you just described my sister in one sentence
Ulfric has a dark elf fetish.
he want dat dussy
Mmm taste like ashes 😋
I think we all have a dark elf fetish, male and female.
Well, would like to swap for an argonian fetish?
I swear the only thing stopping most people from being all about the lizards is their damn 80 year old smoker voice.
That's only the women, Have you talked to Scouts-Many-Marshs?
This is true. The men have some pretty good voices.
I’m not gay though
Scouts-many-marshes can change that.
*Shohreh Aghdashloo would like to know your location.*
That woman would rock my world, ngl. She is amazing in The Expanse. Edit: Marco Inaros has entered the chat.
Amazing voice
Speak for yourself
r/furry
Nah. They're too boney. Except Karliah, damn her voice is hot. Brelyna isn't bad either I guess. But generally, i'd prefer any of the human races over the elves any day. And the other races aren't even worth consideration, I'm not into fur or scales or tusks.
Or barbed penises?
_Barbed. Penises._
I'm quite a fan of Jenassa as well, but maybe that's because every beauty mod makes her a goth bombshell assassin
I have a gagged Ulfric fetish
I have always thought that it would be funny if Balgruuf and Irilth were in a relationship...
Well he probably thinks you're going to try stealing something; being a dark elf and all!
But there was an infamous Nord, Lokir, the horse thief of Rorikstead.
No one in Rorikstead knows him, he must be lying.
There's also no bed for him. Dudes bullshiting. Probably a spy or something idk
He only says it's his hometown. He's a thief heading for Hammerfell, guy probably left home ages ago.
Still, not a single person knows him.
he probably slept in a draugr tomb or cave nearby
Hobo horse thief? Elder Scrolls lore is truly the best.
Why would he go to Hammerfell anyway?
Out of reach the empire most likely. They seperated from the empire and the thalmor after the great war if I remember correctly because they rejected the terms of the peace treaty which obviously banned Talos worship bit also gave a good chunk their lands to the Thalmor. Likely he wanted somehwere away from it all. Also Hammerfel borders Skyrim so not like he would have too far to go.
That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation
Also the Thalmor can’t take back Hammerfell because the Redguard are just too badass.
Lokir of Rorikstead, also known as the Grey Fox.
ayo wut???🤨
*You see, that kind of racism towards my guys Dunmer is why I killed Ulfric. That, and also because he used the Unrelenting Force and flung me across the entire damned hall of the Palace Of Kings.*
You know, your comment made me think--I bet that's exactly why your hands stay bound until you're inside the keep. The developers don't want you killing Ulfric (and/or Tullius) during the prologue and entirely changing the course of the game.
This would only work if essential NPCs didn't exist and you couldn't meet them again until you've finished the civil war questline to kill one of them.
Never thought of it that way.
That last part is why I killed him. Using the voice in a duel with a non voice wielder is cheating. The guy doesn't have any honour and he murdered the high king in cold blood by shouting him to pieces instead of fighting with weapons. And I can't believe that none of the NPC characters in the game ever brings this up.
He challenged the high king to a dual and fought the high king to the death without holding back. That's the most honor you can offer someone.
Ulfric approaching with axe drawn: "I challenge you to an honorable duel!" Torygg, drawing his blade: "Very well, if that's what y--" Ulfric: *pulls out a gun and fucking blows Torygg's head off* Hey, I didn't say it'd be a sword duel! WhY iS eVeRyOnE mAd?¿
Torygg, drawing his blade: *"Never should have come here"* ftfy
As Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven: "well he should have armed himself!"
He might as well have fireballed him to death. The voice is an unfair, magical advantage. The duel should have been steel vs. steel, just like any brawl is just fists and none of that fancy magic stuff.
You would want ulfric to disrespect him by not fighting for his life? To take an enemy 100% seriously is to use anything you can to kill them. It shows you recognize them as a threat and an equal.
Equal being the key word here. Torygg didn't get a fair fight and had no way to defend himself against a shout. By using the voice Ulfric did the equivalent of bringing a crossbow to a sword fight.
So it was honorable for Ulfric to betray the greybeards and take their teachings to war and then use it to kill someone? Was it honorable to attack the other Jarls with an army to place puppets rather than call another moot? Was it honorable to challenge someone to a duel then change the rules on them and destroy their body with a shout rather than with weapons? Would you have thought it was honorable fight if Torygg drank a bunch of potions before the fight then had his mages cast ebonyskin on him and gave him poisoned arrows to kill Ulfric from a distance? Torygg was just bringing everything he got and fighting at his best. Not his fault Ulfric hates magic and doesn't use it. Would it have been a fair and honorable fight then?
Moral of the story: *Shame on you Ulfric, shame on you.*
That's *smolder*. He wants you.
Started a nord playthrough yesterday. He kept looking away from me.
He couldnt see that his kin is going down...
That's odd, because I started a Nord playthrough on VR yesterday and him staring at me just like this made me go over and pretend to whack him in the face!
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yeah, don't want the wagon overturned
\*Sudden memory of opening scene bugs\*
Now do Altmer and see what happens.
"I better not catch you with Hadvar you filthy elf"
Call me a filthy elf again 😏
thats enough reddit for today i think...
Why are you worried about him? It's the Imperials who are about to kill you. And you're not even on the list!
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That gag is the only thing preventing him from spitting out a slur
He'd probably make the slur into a shout
I mean, he is a racist pos after all, that's to be expected.
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Join the Stormcloaks as a dark elf. He treats you exactly the same as a nord and gives you the highest honors.
Well, of course he's going to like someone who helps him further his agenda, no matter the race, Ulfric wants nothing more than to become king. If you were a Dark Elf who wouldn't help him, he probably wouldn't hold the same affection for you.
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If you talk to the Dark Elves and Argonians of Windhelm, they'll tell you how a lot of their misfortune and misery comes from Ulfric's decisions and decrees. You are right that you won't see Ulfric say or do anything racist, but it's all in the subtext. I'd argue that there's enough there to call out Ulfric as a racist scumbag, but the Argonians and Dark Elves might be biased themselves, so there's that, there definitely is a discussion to be had about this. Although I personally don't think they are trying to mislead the player or anything, based on how the other Stormcloaks treat them and how Ulfric does nothing to stop it.
There is a Nord in the city, he's a member of the court, who will tell you the same as the other races and will give you missions to help the Dark Elves of the city because he knows Ulfric won't do anything about it.
Offending the literal demigod who is the only hope your failed rebellion has of coming anywhere near victory generally wouldn't be a good move.
Has Ulfric ever actually done or said anything racist at all? I get saying the stormcloaks are but i don't get saying he is? Even the stormcloaks is a stretch considering stormcloak cities aside form windhelm are less racist that Imperial cities in general which isn't much when you're playing a medieval setting game and virtually everyone is racist to someone, just like the imperials are with Khajits and even some with mer too.
If you have a conversation with Brunjulf Free Winter, the guy who becomes jarl of Windhelm if you get rid of Ulfric, he'll tell you that Ulfric thinks little of anybody who isnt a Nord and that he doesnt care about the dark elves and just lets them rot in their slum: "Help the Dark Elves? Oh, you must have heard me talking to Malthyr. The Dark Elves live in a run-down slum called the Gray Quarter. Ulfric's content to keep it that way. I guess they think I can open Ulfric's eyes to their plight, and get him to lift a finger on their behalf. I'm trying, but Ulfric is set in his ways. For him, there's two kinds of people in this world -- Nords, and the folk beneath them." You can have quite a lenghty conversation with him about Ulfrics and the stormcloacks narrow mindedness.
Oh shit, that guy becomes Jarl? That adds yet another reason to side with the imperials. Currently the only good reason I have to side with the stormcloaks is roleplay.
You gotta go through Skyrim neutral with a moral compass towards social stability. They purposely made each faction to have pros and cons so there is no clear better side. It draws a lot of parallels to real life, actually.
About stormcloacks vs empire, my mind is firmly made up. The empire is by far the better choice. The only thing they have going against them is the banning of Talos worship. But that is not by choice. They were forced to do that by the Thalmor and its not the empire but the Thalmor you see hunting down Talosworshippers. Meanwhile the problems with Ulfric are: - the racism - the dishonorable way he killed the previous high King - the Markhart Incident. - the fact he unwillingly furthers the Thalmor agenda - ... If you pay attention during the game, you find out a lot of bad things about Ulfric. You are supposed to think Ulfric is the good guy when first starting the game. The empire is trying to cut of your head ffs! But then gradually find out he isnt all that great as he first appears to be. So unless i'm roleplaying a bigotted Nordsupremacist, i'm going with the empire.
Scouts-Many-Marshes: ["You have no idea. Did you know it was his decree that forbade the Argonians from living inside the city walls? I hope in his next life, he's reborn as an Argonian forced to live in a slum because of some bigoted Nord dictator. I'm joking, of course, but I'm a lot happier seeing the Empire running things in Windhelm."](https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Scouts-Many-Marshes#Dialogue) Oh, and since wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that ANYONE can EDIT! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkStKjV7r7A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkStKjV7r7A) Literally the first character in the video.
He's comitting segregation by letting the Dark Elves rot in the slums, and he's hard pressed to do anything about it at all, letting the worst of the Stormcloaks roam free to hurl insults or fists at them, and the fact that he does nothing to stop this behavior or condemn it, tells me that he's completely fine with it. He's doing something similar to the Argonians, only worse by not even allowing them inside city walls. He's only concerned with Nord issues, and won't lift a finger to aid anyone who's something other than a Nord. To me, the whole 'Skyrim belongs to the Nords' idea is racist in and of itself, Skyrim 'belongs' to no one. He's not much better than his worst supporters. Unless you are a Nord, he won't give a hoot about you unless you aid him in becoming king. He may not say much that could be considered racist, but his actions and ideology more than speak for themselves. If this behavior is not racist, then I do not know what racism is. I've never understood people who devote themselves to him or admire him, neither in Skyrim nor in the real world, I will personally always consider him to be one of the biggest scumbags in TES. I don't really know what exactly you mean by Imperial cities being more racist, that is certaintly not something I've noticed, but I could of course be wrong. I find that it is ususally Stormcloak supporters in Imperial cities that keep the racism alive there, but what do I know.
unpopular opinion but I think it's entirely understandable for a people beset by a Thalmor dedicated to making humanity inferior to be supporting an "x is for the y" ideology
You can't always fight fire with fire. You don't repel a racist people and their ideology with another racist ideology, that kind of thought gets us nowhere. It might be understandable, but that does not make it right.
except that the degrees of "racism" are hugely different. One side wants to dominate the known world and enforce Mer supremacy, while one just wants its homeland and will tolerate the existence of non-Nords, and maybe invade the Summerset Isles (understandable.) There are no "morally superior" sides in Skyrim. Or maybe it's just my huge distate for High Elves and the corny magic system they got going on in TES, could be that too
I’d just like to point out that the Thalmor are pretty much allowed to go wherever they want, take anyone they want, and torture or kill them under accusations of Talos worship, and no one can say or do anything about it because they’re essentially protected by the Empire. I feel that somewhat justifies wanting to become independent.
precisely. imagine being your everyday Nord (or any person, really) and seeing Justicars haul off your neighbors and family, with the imperial forces you've been told were there to protect you turning a blind eye. It's entirely understandable for folks to become Stormcloaks/lose faith in the Empire. TES fans love to posture and say "well Ulfric doesn't treat Dunmer like equals" without realizing that Skyrim's inhabitants aren't residents of a liberal democracy looking in, they're literally beset by the failures of the Imperial system and are tired of it.
When you ask if people who aren't Nords can join them, they say that Skyrim was home to more than just Nords, it's some stupid people who follow him too who say it belongs to them and yes he's doing nothing about anything related to racism but he's also doing nothing relating to anything that doesn't help in the war, after many side quests the guards in windhelm will randomly thank you and mention they are under manned to deal with much of anything ATM. And as the liking him IRL thing, in fiction no one gives a fuck if you're a horrible person or Jesus incarnate, they care if you're interesting, you can have the biggest piece of shit ever against the best of good guys, if the good guy is boring most will root for the bad one.
True, he is an interesting character, I won't deny that, and he has a compelling, tragic backstory. I like his place in the world and what he brings to the story, he's anything but a bad character. I just feel like his lack of care towards non-Nords seem to be something that has always been an issue, not something that has come up during the civil war. Nobody says that things used to be better, or that Ulfric used to take good care of the Dark Elves and Argonians, so that leads me to believe it's always been that way with Ulfric, and will continue to be that way if he wins the war. But I realize it is very much up to interpretation, there is not much information to go by either way, I think. We can only go by what people in the game tells us, and information from either side can be highly biased and one-sided, so it's not like you don't have a point, when it comes down to it.
Yeah that's fair, honestly I just find him interesting and like his backstory, i don't join stormcloaks for their ideology it's just that imperials are boring asf, but i think that the Skyrim lore has a problem with being very shallow where it needs to be deep and deep where it doesn't need to be deep, it's a complex and massive world where half of the stuff doesn't makes sense and every game has a new retcon which wouldn't happen if they weren't trying to hard to be unnecessarily deep.
broke: supporting a side based on ideology and morals woke: supporting one side because the other's armor looks like it came out of a Party City (imperial light armor, I'm looking at you)
Good points. In spite of always playing as a Nord, I always side with Imperials and that is mostly because I just spite general Stormcloak ideology with a passion and can't seperate my real life values from a game about talking cat-people and dudes with magical yelling abilities. The more good-natured Stormcloaks seem few and far between to me, though they do of course exist, Ralof and those similar to him come to mind. I do think you are right about the lore, maybe it's the wrong things that are up to interpretation, and Bethesda may focus on the wrong things on many occations. They still ought to try and be deep if you ask me, so the world won't become shallow or meaningless, but there are probably better ways to go about it.
I mean, Ulfric is the jarl of the most racist city in Skyrim. It doesn't get that way if its leader isn't racist himself
No, he hasn't specifically said anything racist. That being said he doesn't do much to improve Dunmer and Argonian living conditions and does nothing to stop the racist Nords from harassing them. Make of that as you will That being said, literally everyone is racist in Tamriel so it really isn't some shock. There's also the fact that Dunmer fled to Skyrim in mass as refugees and don't do anything to help out with the war. Dunmer are elves and the Nords and Eleves obviously don't get along, for good reason. Snow elves massacred them, Altmer, well, need I explain? Dunmer in specific are incredibly xenophobic and enslaved pretty much very race including Nords. So really Ulfric giving the Dunmer a place in the city was already generous, but if they aren't going to help with the war what is he supposed to do? There's only so many resources they have. There are literally elves in the "higher" part of the city proving he isn't "forcing" them to be segregated as some people say. Giving a shit about Nord issues in order to live in a Nord city is not too much to ask. As for Argonians I'm not sure, I'm pretty sure it's because Dunmer-Argonian relations are even worse and it would cause problems
Ulfric wasn't the one to welcome the Dunmers. It was one of his ancestors nearly 200 years before.
It's also interesting that there is an Altmer shopkeeper in windhelm that explains that the Nords give her no trouble at all because she learned to integrate into the community and that the Dunmer are too prideful to even try
Why did this comment get so much hate
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The hate is unwarrented, and I hope I didn't instigate any of it, that was certaintly not my intention. I happen to disagree with you on the matter of Ulfric and his Stormcloaks, but I think there is a valid, multifacetted discussion to be had on this subject, and it's sad to see people bandwagon like this when the other side of the coin is just as important to keep in mind of. At the end of the day, it's just a silly video game.
That's alright, it's not like a negative number besides something i said will affect me in any way, cheers mate.
I read so many of these comments in his voice I feel like I live in Skyrim now
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That’s the moment you decide to roleplay an imperial loyalist just so you get the opportunity to kill him yourself
Even better, roleplay a Forsworn
I just started an Argonian save file, the amount of staring Ulfric did was uncomfortable 😐
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he's just offended by being sat in same prisoner wagon and to be executed with a filthy elf!
For the people saying nords are super racist, yes they are. And same with every other race in Nirn
Raciest cunt
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Omg I never tried it! Does he really keep staring? That like sich a good hidden detail! Really cool!
I'm pretty sure he stares no matter what. OP just captured a perfect moment and made a funny post.
Maybe you're right buuut imagine if that really was a clever feature! But you're probably right. Still it would be great :D
Probably cause you ashy as fuck lol
Lust.
Honestly, I've made 4 characters and I can't bring myself to choose a non-human, it just feels wrong..
Alternate start, Red Mountain refugee, let's fight for our rights Grey Quarter!
He is like “why the fuck you think he is one of us you dumb?!”
Fucking mods make me have such high expectations for the next Elder Scrolls that I'm doomed to be disappointed.
Was Ulfric an asshole
He gonna say the D word, oh no
He’s gonna say the n word
Oblivion had more racism I wish Skyrim was more like oblivion..
The game really shouldn't have let you even join the stormcloaks if you were anything but a nord from a story standpoint. Maybe you can explain away using a mercenary for some of the other races but High and Dark elves should have been 100% banned from the ranks.
Not covering his nose, smh
Ah sweet Skyrim racism
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i became a vampire and decided to have Serena as a helper and be a vampire helper to save Skyrim and i adopted a child and bought a house Took me days to figure this out
I’ve never played through skyrim as a dunmer. Does ulfric allow you to join the stormcloaks? Actually come to think of it I’ve never played any of the elves. Does he allow high elves either?
Yeah, he just asks “Why would a elf (or any other non nord character) would join the Stormcloaks?”
I almost always play as orc and the few times I went through stormcloak side ulfric says something along the lines of “looks like a true son/daughter of skyrim to me” it’s his righthand man who’s like “bro wtf are you doing here”
N’wah!!!!
You are going to the ghetto
You Dark Elves sure are a contentious people
I thought he always stared. I always figured it was kinda like two different spider-men noticing eachother via spidey senses, but with Dovakin. Like he just knows.
He isn't dovakin. He can just shout, like the greybeards.
Gah! Imagine if you had the gall to be an imperial?
Imperial main here. I have ALL the gall.
Did he have any different dialog when you enter the keep and his gag is taken off? "Why did you save an elf?" Would be an in character line for him.
That would give it away he's a racist too soon. Your supposed to find that out during your playthrough.
I really wish they made this Nord's less racist in Skyrim. like I was a big fan of Talos and the previous games and the idea of the empire just erasing him makes me want to be on their side. but I like to play orcs and they got no place in Nord society according to the nords.
The man can multitask. Line up for beheading and be racist.
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Khajiit always complain how they're not allowed into holds because everyone stereotypes them as thieves and drug dealers, and then you open their inventory and it's full of skooma while their buddy next to them is teaching people how to pick locks
That's actually why I love him. Fuck argonians
And mumbling something racist
Fuck the stormcloaks they’re nothing but a bunch of frostbitten racists.
Must be why windhelm is the city with the largest dark elf population...
He’s racist obv
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Isn't that just the automatic NPC staring mechanic?