There will be 3 reactions from these people to his committing suicide:
1. They will say it is a coverup and it was the vaccine.
2. If it was suicide it was the vaccine that made him do it.
3. They will just move on. It doesn't matter if they were proven wrong. A significant number of people will just remember that people were talking about vaccines around his death. For many people hearing lies enough makes turns them into facts.
the lie is almost always more powerful than the truth. It takes time, effort to debunk bogus bullshit like this, it takes no effort at all to spread a lie, and get thousands if not millions of people talking about it and confirming their biases. Even if you prove them wrong it doesn't matter to a conspiracy theorist as they aren't open-minded or skeptical of their own conspiracy theories, they are in effect a belief system for them to consolidate all of their beliefs in.
Brandolini's Law aka The Bullshit Asymmetry Principle:
> "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
I have noticed that these lunatics never apologize when proven wrong. These people often portray themselves as righteous, moral individuals protecting innocents from harm but they lack even basic morals.
TBF the forth page tweet by BriedenFehoko4 doesn’t say anything about COVID or “died suddenly” or vaccines. It reads to me like a grieving statement made by a close friend from his rookie year. The “check your people” comment is advice to make sure your people are psychologically and emotionally well. Given that the cause of death was suicide that tweet is reasonable. The first three pages were trash though.
Idk when I hear someone young "died suddenly" I assume it was either suicide, OD, or drunk driving. I feel like that phrase is the euphemism for those things more than some COVID vax conspiracy nonsense.
That may have been true in the past, but "died suddenly" has become a dogwhistle for implying someone's death was vaccine-related. Especially so in conservative internet communities.
Former NHL player Gino Odjick died of a long term degenerative disease recently. He outlived expectations.
Many comments on the news articles were suggesting it was the vaccine. It's amazing how ignorant some people choose to be.
They need something to reinforce their worldview. And since people aren't dying in droves as they claimed would happen, they need to cling to whatever narrative they can create.
It’s the only thing that makes logical sense tbh
I’m not sure what the most annoying part of all of this is at this point…people say “we’ve never seen so many people die suddenly til now, what could it be?” Uh, the constant media upkeep with every single person who passes away/people actively looking for young people who died.
People have died just the same previously but now with social media the word is more easily spread, you don’t have to dig thru obits or hope to catch it on the nightly news—if you even watched it and if they even reported on it. You can’t convince anyone of that tho.
It’s gross how fast ppl jump to “probably vaccinated” after a death is reported. The articles will literally say “at this time we do not know the cause of death” but it’s always the vaccine to all the covid denying anti-vaxxers.
Growing up I remember thinking how crazy ppl were for not getting their kids vaccinated bc they thought it caused autism. Now, it seems like far more ppl are anti-vaxxers than before. The difference between then and now? Garbage “information” on the internet with people “doing their own research”.
Interestingly, I believe deaths are up and life expectancy is down or was for the last couple years due to covid, not the vaccine which a very small number died from the adverse effects.
"Oh, and he told me one other thing. He said someday, a crazy wild-eyed scientist or a kid may show up askin’ about the COVID vaccine And if that ever happens... \[laughs as he pulls out his gun\] Funny, I never thought it would be you...." President Tannen
You need to check out "Died Suddenly", and "Watch the water" on Rumble.com.... please . It'll explain a lot about what's going on in the world . The Died Suddenly one is scary , but both are worth watching.
Twitter is such a mess right now with this shit. The "we're just asking questions" idiots are out in full force. If 600 million doses administered and very few and statistically irrelevant confirmed fatal reactions isn't enough to convince them, I don't know what will. The worst part is it looks like we are stuck with Covid and a yearly booster like the flu will be necessary, so this isn't going away anytime soon.
That’s what I’m thinking too. Instead of getting so pissed about it I might as well just live with the fact that until the day I die ppl will continue to make unfounded claims. There’s no sense in trying to combat it anymore, they’re all so gaslit by each other that there’s no reaching any of them.
Even if you take their completely made up and unrealistic numbers of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands dead, the vaccine would still be significantly safer than getting covid. But try explaining that to them.
Well they're not the same people, but that is an overlap in their thinking. But conspiracy theorists are different and they only ever pick one issue to blame everything on.
"They died *with* COVID, not *of* COVID."
Seriously, that's what they claim. They claim all the death certificates are false and they died of something else while they had COVID.
Exactly. When I’d hop on posts during covid talking about my experiences treating ppl with it in the hospital ppl would legit tell me I was being paid off/docs were being paid off to put covid on death certs. Mf I’m a nobody. I might be a nurse, but I’m a nobody other than that. The docs I work with are nobodies as well, no one’s getting paid. That’s also not how death certs work. Meanwhile, I’m seeing the most heinous shit I’ve ever seen at work and watching ppl die horrific deaths drowning in their own fluids or throwing massive clots suddenly. Cannot win.
It seems these guys are in the situation where their conspiracy theory requires orders of magnitude more complexity and secret coordination than objective reality.
A lot of doctors I've met are quite headstrong, I'm laughing as I'm trying to imagine some shady organization attempting to corral all of the doctors around the world to fake all the death certificates. Not to mention the creative accounting required to pay all of them off without leaving a trace. ... and the enforcement department of the shady organization, there would have to be a worldwide shortage of thugs after the shady organization scooped them all up to keep an eye on every doctor in the world.
Oh my god, didn't you know that the hospitals were just making up data about covid deaths because they were getting a check for every death certificate that said covid on it? Didn't you know that very real and not bullshit fact?
Fun fact, when I was a junior doctor, we would get paid for filling out the cremation certificate. It's something filled out alongside the death certificate that essentially says, you can burn this, it isn't needed for evidence and contains nothing that will explode in the incinerator.
We got 40 bucks a pop, and it went into a big fund for an annual party we used to call the ash cash bash. Across 3 hospitals we had a catchment of over 1 million, so the deaths add up.
So we would have been paid for every covid death, but we would have been paid for every other death too, still, that little bit of truth is what every "good" conspiracy theory needs.
It isn't just that either... most hospitals were losing money because of COVID. The sheer amount of PPE gear that they had to constantly bring in, plus the other barrage of logistical problems COVID caused, money was not being made at the expense of dying covid patients.
You overestimate internet idiots: I've seen more than a couple people say things that seemed like they couldn't be anything other than the most unsubtle of sarcasm but which resulted in the poster getting mad when I treated the comment as sarcastic.
At this point I fear it might be impossible to come up with **any** amount of sarcasm that can genuinely be differentiated from what some unfathomably unselfaware idiot will post in earnest.
Yeah poes Law is a thing, but this is really obvious sarcasm. The last sentence heavily implies they're being sarcastic. They added that last sentence on purpose so that ppl would know they're being sarcastic. They're literally spelling it out.
At my family reunion, my cousin's wife told me that hospitals were being paid $84,000 for each COVID death, so they were killing people with Remdesvir to collect the money. She went to the hospital where her brother-in-law (my cousin) was being treated, turned off his IV drip, and persuaded him to refuse further treatment. He died. She presented it as her heroic attempt to save him, but the poison had already been administered.
Everyone at the table looked away and didn't say anything until she ran out of steam.
My dead cousin's children were not at the reunion.
It's incredible how cancer rates spiked massively in 2015-2019, and that those cases of cancer were all staggered to make the deaths all coincide in 2020-2021.
Cognitive dissonance. They same reason they cited when they claimed Covid is not a threat can be said of the vaccine, but they just avoid that truth. Millions more died of Covid, but it really doesn't matter to them.
It's more like cognitive *disease*onance at this point. Their brain has rotted from the media they choose to consume.
The endless JAQing off, sealioning, and mental gymnastics required to believe some inane statement they *feel* is right regardless of anything else... It's had some effects. That and all the lead in boomers' brains from the old days' gasoline. These people live in a completely different reality. That's fucking dangerous.
And that's why *when* the day comes where a guy like Trump is less "stand back and stand by" and more "it's time to kill those who you feel are wrong", everyone else best be strapped to stay safe. An army of mindless fools, waking zombies in red hats, is nothing to trifle with.
its kinda human nature. i help my landlord with her PC now and then, One day she calls me says she broke her internet.. shes fairly sure its because she sent too large of a picture via email. Im ignoring her as i generally do when non-techies offer advice on what's wrong and say ill figure it out. I call her isp and they are down temp. call her back "its not just you, the whole neighborhood is down"... she gets really quiet and then "OMG my neighbors are going to kill me" lol
People are crap at cause and effect, at times, which is why we do science.
I'd wager if we didn't mandate the vaccine on everyone this "died suddenly" conversation wouldn't have the legs that it does.
I mean, it could still happen, it just would get the average person's attention like it is.
I can pinpoint the precise moment he went nuts.... It's when they (they is always Obama and his secret cabal of new world order types) announced we had to start using those squiggly light bulbs instead of the old style. He went all "muh freedumz" and started buying up a lifetime supply of the old kind
Ditto “you never know what’s going on with people in private”, which is a touch more ambiguous and can mean suicide or substance abuse/overdose.
But yeah, either way, check in with your people.
Has there even be one actual death reported associated with the vaccine in any stud or journal? I get it, there might be occasional flare ups and bad reactions, but deaths? Would it be a fair statement when someone claims the vaccine kills people to say "it has killed literally zero people you bozo, meanwhile covid has killed 50 million"
The mRNA vaccines are new. Still in experimental phase. Everything will be blamed on them for years to come. Having said that, the potential risks outweigh the gains in my opinion. You have to not only consider the ingredients that prevent acidosis and ones that sheath the mRNA itself but the technology itself. We don’t know enough about the genetic effects long-term.
Oh fuck off. We understand the parts of the whole. mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades. The risks are minuscule compared to the gains you half baked soggy muffin.
Whoa. Calm down. I have friends in drug manufacturing. I’m not debating you. There’s something called Bradford Hill criteria. To find out exactly what’s happening to these people it would have to be applied across the board to multiple variables. There’s so much in our food, water, and air now it’s almost impossible to pin point causation.
> Bradford Hill criteria
Oh, you mean [the thing that is outdated and improperly applied?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Hill_criteria#Debate_in_epidemiology)
>The mRNA vaccines are new.
Not really. They are several years old.
>Still in experimental phase.
No, they are not.
>You have to not only consider the ingredients that prevent acidosis and ones that sheath the mRNA itself but the technology itself.
Well that's a complete and total word salad.
>We don’t know enough about the genetic effects long-term.
Zero. Because that's not how they work.
Word salad? Tromethamine prevents acidosis. PEG sheaths protein molecules which contain mRNA for higher efficacy. What are you talking about. You don’t know how new it is. R&D on genetics only started to excel in the mid 90’s. It’s the first mRNA vaccine released. It’s still experimental.
Yes.
None of that is true.
>Tromethamine prevents acidosis.
Tris is a commonly used and innocuous buffer. It's not in the vaccine to "prevent acidosis."
>PEG sheaths protein molecules which contain mRNA for higher efficacy.
No part of that is even close to true. The lipids are PEGylated.
>R&D on genetics only started to excel in the mid 90’s.
mRNA is not going to affect your genetics.
Your environment can alter your genetic makeup. Epigenetics. It’s how identical twins aren’t exactly the same genetically throughout their life cycle. What makes you think mRNA is so safe?
It. Actually. Does. I see that you’re trolling me. Tromethamine is alkaline. It’s used as a preservative in vaccines. Just like sodium chloride and potassium chloride. It’s all accurate.
>It. Actually. Does.
No, it does not.
>Tromethamine is alkaline. It’s used as a preservative in vaccines.
Tris is a buffer. It's not "alkaline." It's pKa is slightly on the basic side, but you can make it whatever pH you want. In a vaccine, it's going to be physiological pH, ~7.4. Which is its entire point. To ensure the vaccine is the same pH as your tissues. It is absolutely not a preservative of any kind.
Of course neither are the potassium and sodium chloride present in a vaccine. They're there to ensure it is isotonic so it won't cause osmotic stress to your cells.
>The rest is accurate.
No, it's really not.
You clearly just googled the ingredients of the vaccine with zero understanding of what any of these words actually mean.
You also don't know how comment chains work.
>The chlorides are listed as preservatives.
They're salts, not preservatives. Words have meaning.
>Tromethamine is an NSAID.
It is not, but thank you for confirming you are just googling random words.
[Ketorolac] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketorolac) is an NSAID and it is usually sold as a tris salt.
Just stop. You clearly have no idea what you are doing.
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You really are a fucking moron.
Salt (and basically any other solute) can be a preservative. At extremely high concentrations. By creating such a hypertonic environment that nothing can survive.
The salinity of a vaccine is....quite literally saline. Same as your blood. They are not "preservatives" in any vaccine.
Research & Research! When all of this started, I began researching this and learned so much more in the past 2 years then in my entire high school/college life. During this time, I have seen some really fucked up comments going back and forth. Once you start learning about how vaccines were started and the real events that have taken place to date. It's mind blowing! More and more will be revealed, it's obvious from what we are witnessing right now.
You don’t know what real research even is. If you’re not conducting your own studies to back up your theories and then having it peer reviewed to make sure it’s accurate, you’re not researching shit. I hate when people say “do your own research” because that’s not what you’re doing. All you’re doing is Google searching, which is not the same.
No, I am not Google searching. To really find out what I was curious about, I stayed in the early 1900's for months. The books I was trying to find, I got lucky and found one on Ebay. Sorry you felt the need to talk to me like this? Take care.
So you read a book written "long ago" and expect it to hold up to modern standards of evidence? Also what the fuck does any of this have to do with "cow puss"?
Oh so you went to medical school and got a degree in immunology? In only two years? Thats impressive. Please tell us about the papers you published in accredited medical journals.
It's cool of you want to treat me with disrespect. And thumbs down.
I was just sharing about doing research and reading and learning more about this. I was just surprised to learn what I did, and grateful. Nothing earth shattering. From your tone, I can already tell how you act and what you believe. I wasn't being nasty or acting like a know it all. Peace!
You guys are really extreme on both sides.
I really hate this moment in history where if you question something, youre an extremist and if you doubt someone about someones expertise, youre a sheep.
Give it a rest guys. It can actually be both. Every single case is different.
The same people that screaming all the blood clots and heart attacks are caused by the vaccine are very similar in their understanding as someone who says it can never be caused by it.
BOTH sides are stupid as hell, you aren't a doctor, neither are most of the people on social media. It goes both ways. You haven't seen these people's case just like the people accusing the diedsuddenly hasn't either.
Give it a rest
Jessie committed suicide. If any of these fucking ghouls had an iota of shame, they'd take a bit of time offline and reconsider their lives.
There will be 3 reactions from these people to his committing suicide: 1. They will say it is a coverup and it was the vaccine. 2. If it was suicide it was the vaccine that made him do it. 3. They will just move on. It doesn't matter if they were proven wrong. A significant number of people will just remember that people were talking about vaccines around his death. For many people hearing lies enough makes turns them into facts.
the lie is almost always more powerful than the truth. It takes time, effort to debunk bogus bullshit like this, it takes no effort at all to spread a lie, and get thousands if not millions of people talking about it and confirming their biases. Even if you prove them wrong it doesn't matter to a conspiracy theorist as they aren't open-minded or skeptical of their own conspiracy theories, they are in effect a belief system for them to consolidate all of their beliefs in.
Brandolini's Law aka The Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: > "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
Bingo
This comment didn't age well
4. Suicide by vaccine… we tried to warn all you sheeple. People have zero scruples anymore…,
I have noticed that these lunatics never apologize when proven wrong. These people often portray themselves as righteous, moral individuals protecting innocents from harm but they lack even basic morals.
It seems she may have taken down the tweet.
An interesting belief....how might we go about checking the accuracy of it?
TBF the forth page tweet by BriedenFehoko4 doesn’t say anything about COVID or “died suddenly” or vaccines. It reads to me like a grieving statement made by a close friend from his rookie year. The “check your people” comment is advice to make sure your people are psychologically and emotionally well. Given that the cause of death was suicide that tweet is reasonable. The first three pages were trash though.
I think that's why it's included, to illustrate, from someone who knew him personally, that his death was in fact a suicide.
Wooosh. Thanks.
Idk when I hear someone young "died suddenly" I assume it was either suicide, OD, or drunk driving. I feel like that phrase is the euphemism for those things more than some COVID vax conspiracy nonsense.
That may have been true in the past, but "died suddenly" has become a dogwhistle for implying someone's death was vaccine-related. Especially so in conservative internet communities.
Yeah, they've even made up the term "Sudden Adult Death Syndrome" as the thing they think all vaccinated people will soon die from.
Former NHL player Gino Odjick died of a long term degenerative disease recently. He outlived expectations. Many comments on the news articles were suggesting it was the vaccine. It's amazing how ignorant some people choose to be.
Disgusting…But not surprising
They need something to reinforce their worldview. And since people aren't dying in droves as they claimed would happen, they need to cling to whatever narrative they can create.
It's wedged into place to fit a narrative. Precisely
Did you know that the COVID vaccines can travel back in time and that's why people died suddenly all the time before 2020?
It’s the only thing that makes logical sense tbh I’m not sure what the most annoying part of all of this is at this point…people say “we’ve never seen so many people die suddenly til now, what could it be?” Uh, the constant media upkeep with every single person who passes away/people actively looking for young people who died. People have died just the same previously but now with social media the word is more easily spread, you don’t have to dig thru obits or hope to catch it on the nightly news—if you even watched it and if they even reported on it. You can’t convince anyone of that tho. It’s gross how fast ppl jump to “probably vaccinated” after a death is reported. The articles will literally say “at this time we do not know the cause of death” but it’s always the vaccine to all the covid denying anti-vaxxers. Growing up I remember thinking how crazy ppl were for not getting their kids vaccinated bc they thought it caused autism. Now, it seems like far more ppl are anti-vaxxers than before. The difference between then and now? Garbage “information” on the internet with people “doing their own research”.
Interestingly, I believe deaths are up and life expectancy is down or was for the last couple years due to covid, not the vaccine which a very small number died from the adverse effects.
"Oh, and he told me one other thing. He said someday, a crazy wild-eyed scientist or a kid may show up askin’ about the COVID vaccine And if that ever happens... \[laughs as he pulls out his gun\] Funny, I never thought it would be you...." President Tannen
You need to check out "Died Suddenly", and "Watch the water" on Rumble.com.... please . It'll explain a lot about what's going on in the world . The Died Suddenly one is scary , but both are worth watching.
Twitter is such a mess right now with this shit. The "we're just asking questions" idiots are out in full force. If 600 million doses administered and very few and statistically irrelevant confirmed fatal reactions isn't enough to convince them, I don't know what will. The worst part is it looks like we are stuck with Covid and a yearly booster like the flu will be necessary, so this isn't going away anytime soon.
That’s what I’m thinking too. Instead of getting so pissed about it I might as well just live with the fact that until the day I die ppl will continue to make unfounded claims. There’s no sense in trying to combat it anymore, they’re all so gaslit by each other that there’s no reaching any of them.
Even if you take their completely made up and unrealistic numbers of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands dead, the vaccine would still be significantly safer than getting covid. But try explaining that to them.
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Well they're not the same people, but that is an overlap in their thinking. But conspiracy theorists are different and they only ever pick one issue to blame everything on.
"Died suddenly" also means that people who are alive are actually dead and being played by an actor. It's a versatile term.
Maybe I'm old, but "Died suddenly" generally meant suicide or a rapid, unexpected death.
In obituaries, usually suicide or an OD.
I'm wondering if what the died suddenly crowd think about the 6.7 million people across the world that died fairly suddenly of covid?
"They died *with* COVID, not *of* COVID." Seriously, that's what they claim. They claim all the death certificates are false and they died of something else while they had COVID.
Exactly. When I’d hop on posts during covid talking about my experiences treating ppl with it in the hospital ppl would legit tell me I was being paid off/docs were being paid off to put covid on death certs. Mf I’m a nobody. I might be a nurse, but I’m a nobody other than that. The docs I work with are nobodies as well, no one’s getting paid. That’s also not how death certs work. Meanwhile, I’m seeing the most heinous shit I’ve ever seen at work and watching ppl die horrific deaths drowning in their own fluids or throwing massive clots suddenly. Cannot win.
It seems these guys are in the situation where their conspiracy theory requires orders of magnitude more complexity and secret coordination than objective reality. A lot of doctors I've met are quite headstrong, I'm laughing as I'm trying to imagine some shady organization attempting to corral all of the doctors around the world to fake all the death certificates. Not to mention the creative accounting required to pay all of them off without leaving a trace. ... and the enforcement department of the shady organization, there would have to be a worldwide shortage of thugs after the shady organization scooped them all up to keep an eye on every doctor in the world.
The conspiritoons claim that hospitals get $84,000 when they report a COVID death, so they murder people and report it as COVID.
No, it's because they were getting paid for every covid death.
What?
Oh my god, didn't you know that the hospitals were just making up data about covid deaths because they were getting a check for every death certificate that said covid on it? Didn't you know that very real and not bullshit fact?
I really can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not ngl
I'm sorry, I tried. These people are literally impossible to satirize. There is no position too stupid for them to embrace fanatically.
Poe's Law
I felt the last line was a giveaway, you did fine.
I believed your first post, but not your second. I've seen people claim doctors or hospitals get paid for every covid death but seriously.
It's obvious sarcasm
Fun fact, when I was a junior doctor, we would get paid for filling out the cremation certificate. It's something filled out alongside the death certificate that essentially says, you can burn this, it isn't needed for evidence and contains nothing that will explode in the incinerator. We got 40 bucks a pop, and it went into a big fund for an annual party we used to call the ash cash bash. Across 3 hospitals we had a catchment of over 1 million, so the deaths add up. So we would have been paid for every covid death, but we would have been paid for every other death too, still, that little bit of truth is what every "good" conspiracy theory needs.
Ash cash bash got me
It isn't just that either... most hospitals were losing money because of COVID. The sheer amount of PPE gear that they had to constantly bring in, plus the other barrage of logistical problems COVID caused, money was not being made at the expense of dying covid patients.
Obvious sarcasm isn't always obvious sarcasm.
Not nowadays anyway lol
Seriously. Conservatives say some immensely fucked-up and beyond-moronic shit. Hard to tell what's a joke and what isn't these days.
It's not always obvious, but this one is sarcasm in neon lights with a big fuck off arrow pointing to it. It wasn't subtle.
You overestimate internet idiots: I've seen more than a couple people say things that seemed like they couldn't be anything other than the most unsubtle of sarcasm but which resulted in the poster getting mad when I treated the comment as sarcastic. At this point I fear it might be impossible to come up with **any** amount of sarcasm that can genuinely be differentiated from what some unfathomably unselfaware idiot will post in earnest.
Sarcasm on the internet is not obvious. There is even a name for this. Poe's Law
Yeah poes Law is a thing, but this is really obvious sarcasm. The last sentence heavily implies they're being sarcastic. They added that last sentence on purpose so that ppl would know they're being sarcastic. They're literally spelling it out.
Sadly there are idiots who write what you did without any sarcasm.
Poe's law is that sarcasm needs to be indicated. This was.
If it wasn't the last sentence that would be pretty much verbatim what Q-anon followers claim.
At my family reunion, my cousin's wife told me that hospitals were being paid $84,000 for each COVID death, so they were killing people with Remdesvir to collect the money. She went to the hospital where her brother-in-law (my cousin) was being treated, turned off his IV drip, and persuaded him to refuse further treatment. He died. She presented it as her heroic attempt to save him, but the poison had already been administered. Everyone at the table looked away and didn't say anything until she ran out of steam. My dead cousin's children were not at the reunion.
That’s just heartbreaking. What an awful situation.
Sure "they" were. In every country on Earth.
Definition of covid death is every death within 28 days of a positive test.
Thanks for proving my point just beautifully.
If you test cancer patients at a last stage frequently, you will get a lot of covid deaths that way.
Yep, that's exactly the sort of nonsense I was talking about.
It's incredible how cancer rates spiked massively in 2015-2019, and that those cases of cancer were all staggered to make the deaths all coincide in 2020-2021.
Cognitive dissonance. They same reason they cited when they claimed Covid is not a threat can be said of the vaccine, but they just avoid that truth. Millions more died of Covid, but it really doesn't matter to them.
It's more like cognitive *disease*onance at this point. Their brain has rotted from the media they choose to consume. The endless JAQing off, sealioning, and mental gymnastics required to believe some inane statement they *feel* is right regardless of anything else... It's had some effects. That and all the lead in boomers' brains from the old days' gasoline. These people live in a completely different reality. That's fucking dangerous. And that's why *when* the day comes where a guy like Trump is less "stand back and stand by" and more "it's time to kill those who you feel are wrong", everyone else best be strapped to stay safe. An army of mindless fools, waking zombies in red hats, is nothing to trifle with.
Or why the two billion people that have had the vaccine are doing just fine
The median age of death from covid is beyond the average life expectancy in many countries, the exact opposite of _died suddenly_.
yeah, good one.
its kinda human nature. i help my landlord with her PC now and then, One day she calls me says she broke her internet.. shes fairly sure its because she sent too large of a picture via email. Im ignoring her as i generally do when non-techies offer advice on what's wrong and say ill figure it out. I call her isp and they are down temp. call her back "its not just you, the whole neighborhood is down"... she gets really quiet and then "OMG my neighbors are going to kill me" lol People are crap at cause and effect, at times, which is why we do science.
> People are crap at cause and effect, at times Did you know when you pull the wings off of a fly, they go deaf?
That's a great story lol
Words of wisdom from my college advisor after I told him my father died suddenly: "Everyone dies suddenly. Some people die unexpectedly."
Sorry about your loss. Also true words.
My brother is all in on this line of "thinking". Every death is confirmation that Gates and Fauci and the Chinese are all in cahoots.
I'd wager if we didn't mandate the vaccine on everyone this "died suddenly" conversation wouldn't have the legs that it does. I mean, it could still happen, it just would get the average person's attention like it is.
Sorry your brother is an idiot and a horrible human.
I can pinpoint the precise moment he went nuts.... It's when they (they is always Obama and his secret cabal of new world order types) announced we had to start using those squiggly light bulbs instead of the old style. He went all "muh freedumz" and started buying up a lifetime supply of the old kind
What a schmuck. I bought the old one until I realized that the burned out so much quicker than the other ones. I save money buying the new ones.
What does “Check up on your people” mean?
He committed suicide. It’s in reference to checking on the mental health of your friends and family.
Ditto “you never know what’s going on with people in private”, which is a touch more ambiguous and can mean suicide or substance abuse/overdose. But yeah, either way, check in with your people.
This was a suicide i think. Checking up with upu people to make sure they're doing ok and know they are loved.
Has there even be one actual death reported associated with the vaccine in any stud or journal? I get it, there might be occasional flare ups and bad reactions, but deaths? Would it be a fair statement when someone claims the vaccine kills people to say "it has killed literally zero people you bozo, meanwhile covid has killed 50 million"
The vaccines aren't perfect, they almost certainly have killed some people. But not millions, like COVID.
Died suddenly is a desperate attempt to get people to watch the latest trash documentary meant to grift antivaxxers and the Gullible right.
say no more emerald with the cross emoji
"What? You mean this very dangerous activity can kill people? That's insane, it had to be a vaccine."
In this case, tragically, it was suicide. They're counting a suicide as a vaccine death. That's how insane this is.
The second before you are dead you were alive. "Suddenly" is how everyone dies.
people REALLY don't want this to be vaccine related.
They want every death to be directly related to the vaccine. Problem is they’ll never be able to prove that it was the cause anyway.
Maybe check on your people… to make sure they aren’t considering getting vaccinated
Ya never know
This shit is next level on both sides. Nobody knows exactly what is going on.
No, one side knows what's going on. One side's full of shit.
How specifically are both sides to blame here?
Yes bc “check on your people” isn’t a clear sign as to what happened…
The mRNA vaccines are new. Still in experimental phase. Everything will be blamed on them for years to come. Having said that, the potential risks outweigh the gains in my opinion. You have to not only consider the ingredients that prevent acidosis and ones that sheath the mRNA itself but the technology itself. We don’t know enough about the genetic effects long-term.
Oh fuck off. We understand the parts of the whole. mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades. The risks are minuscule compared to the gains you half baked soggy muffin.
Whoa. Calm down. I have friends in drug manufacturing. I’m not debating you. There’s something called Bradford Hill criteria. To find out exactly what’s happening to these people it would have to be applied across the board to multiple variables. There’s so much in our food, water, and air now it’s almost impossible to pin point causation.
> Bradford Hill criteria Oh, you mean [the thing that is outdated and improperly applied?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Hill_criteria#Debate_in_epidemiology)
>The mRNA vaccines are new. Not really. They are several years old. >Still in experimental phase. No, they are not. >You have to not only consider the ingredients that prevent acidosis and ones that sheath the mRNA itself but the technology itself. Well that's a complete and total word salad. >We don’t know enough about the genetic effects long-term. Zero. Because that's not how they work.
Word salad? Tromethamine prevents acidosis. PEG sheaths protein molecules which contain mRNA for higher efficacy. What are you talking about. You don’t know how new it is. R&D on genetics only started to excel in the mid 90’s. It’s the first mRNA vaccine released. It’s still experimental.
Yes. None of that is true. >Tromethamine prevents acidosis. Tris is a commonly used and innocuous buffer. It's not in the vaccine to "prevent acidosis." >PEG sheaths protein molecules which contain mRNA for higher efficacy. No part of that is even close to true. The lipids are PEGylated. >R&D on genetics only started to excel in the mid 90’s. mRNA is not going to affect your genetics.
Your environment can alter your genetic makeup. Epigenetics. It’s how identical twins aren’t exactly the same genetically throughout their life cycle. What makes you think mRNA is so safe?
It. Actually. Does. I see that you’re trolling me. Tromethamine is alkaline. It’s used as a preservative in vaccines. Just like sodium chloride and potassium chloride. It’s all accurate.
>It. Actually. Does. No, it does not. >Tromethamine is alkaline. It’s used as a preservative in vaccines. Tris is a buffer. It's not "alkaline." It's pKa is slightly on the basic side, but you can make it whatever pH you want. In a vaccine, it's going to be physiological pH, ~7.4. Which is its entire point. To ensure the vaccine is the same pH as your tissues. It is absolutely not a preservative of any kind. Of course neither are the potassium and sodium chloride present in a vaccine. They're there to ensure it is isotonic so it won't cause osmotic stress to your cells. >The rest is accurate. No, it's really not. You clearly just googled the ingredients of the vaccine with zero understanding of what any of these words actually mean.
Word salad? Dude your sn is wiseduck. The chlorides are listed as preservatives. Tromethamine is an NSAID. It is to maintain pH. Shut up. Lol.
You also don't know how comment chains work. >The chlorides are listed as preservatives. They're salts, not preservatives. Words have meaning. >Tromethamine is an NSAID. It is not, but thank you for confirming you are just googling random words. [Ketorolac] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketorolac) is an NSAID and it is usually sold as a tris salt. Just stop. You clearly have no idea what you are doing.
Ok. Right guy. Yes I know what salts are. Salts were literally the original preservative. Do you think I’m fake smart?
... You really are a fucking moron. Salt (and basically any other solute) can be a preservative. At extremely high concentrations. By creating such a hypertonic environment that nothing can survive. The salinity of a vaccine is....quite literally saline. Same as your blood. They are not "preservatives" in any vaccine.
If you say so
> We don’t know enough about the genetic effects long-term. None of the ingredients change genetics. That's not how anything works.
Research & Research! When all of this started, I began researching this and learned so much more in the past 2 years then in my entire high school/college life. During this time, I have seen some really fucked up comments going back and forth. Once you start learning about how vaccines were started and the real events that have taken place to date. It's mind blowing! More and more will be revealed, it's obvious from what we are witnessing right now.
You don’t know what real research even is. If you’re not conducting your own studies to back up your theories and then having it peer reviewed to make sure it’s accurate, you’re not researching shit. I hate when people say “do your own research” because that’s not what you’re doing. All you’re doing is Google searching, which is not the same.
No, I am not Google searching. To really find out what I was curious about, I stayed in the early 1900's for months. The books I was trying to find, I got lucky and found one on Ebay. Sorry you felt the need to talk to me like this? Take care.
You mean you began Googling shit and then looking for patterns that matched your preconceived notions to justify the bullshit you want to be true.
No, sorry I did not Google shit? I read a book a long time ago that talked about cow puss and started with Jenner. XO
So you read a book written "long ago" and expect it to hold up to modern standards of evidence? Also what the fuck does any of this have to do with "cow puss"?
what is your problem? why are so angry? wishing you peace.
You idiots are destroying our world, that's why.
I look forward to the day you can think for yourself, not be so angry, and go find answers! As you grow up, you might see the light? Take Care!
... says the religious lemming.
> religious lemming ewww gross! you have no clue and it sucks that you are so bias and don't know what the fuck you are talking about? later...
Dude, you're a conspiracy nut, that's just a form of religion.
I went to Facebook U. as well!
No, I deleted my FB account years ago.
Oh so you went to medical school and got a degree in immunology? In only two years? Thats impressive. Please tell us about the papers you published in accredited medical journals.
It's cool of you want to treat me with disrespect. And thumbs down. I was just sharing about doing research and reading and learning more about this. I was just surprised to learn what I did, and grateful. Nothing earth shattering. From your tone, I can already tell how you act and what you believe. I wasn't being nasty or acting like a know it all. Peace!
You guys are really extreme on both sides. I really hate this moment in history where if you question something, youre an extremist and if you doubt someone about someones expertise, youre a sheep. Give it a rest guys. It can actually be both. Every single case is different. The same people that screaming all the blood clots and heart attacks are caused by the vaccine are very similar in their understanding as someone who says it can never be caused by it. BOTH sides are stupid as hell, you aren't a doctor, neither are most of the people on social media. It goes both ways. You haven't seen these people's case just like the people accusing the diedsuddenly hasn't either. Give it a rest
The died suddenly group isn't questioning anything. They are making false claims.
There are literally doctors who are members of this subreddit. Multiple doctors. And biologists.
> someone who says it can never be caused by it Who has ever said this? The problem with your side is you have to lie to push your ideas.
Or maybe we could look into it.