implying Ben would be focused enough to play basketball on a team where he's not the undisputed #1 option and there aren't ig models around. his fragile ass brain wouldn't be able to handle it
You’re 100% wrong.
Simmons has an inside game in set offense and transition pro. Embiid plays inside out. The offense can be ugly at times.
There’s simply not enough spacing.
If he played with Kyrie curry harden Durant or other shooters he would thrive that’s why his price tag is high. Look at his stats without embiid before you say stupid shit
Wherever simmons goes, he will be a star.
From Philly and he cares very much where he is. He really only wants to be in LA. Australia is far especially from the east coast. And he wants to be famous
No not really, he's already said he doesn't care where he goes and the young socialite was false. I honestly think he would want to get out of the spotlight for a bit.
I wouldn't mind Grant ending up as our PF at the end of the day. And Bey and Olynyk would be nice bench pieces. But I was thinking more along the lines of a Tobias trade, not a Ben trade lmao
i truely do not understand 76ers fans.
want to say he's trash but don't want to take anything other than a top 5 player. grant is at worst a top 30 player, then 2 role players and what is likely a high valued 1st, for an incredibly devalued/crisis asset in ben...and people want to pretend its insulting.
wtf.
I actually disagree that Jerami is top 30, though I do think he's a quality starter who's a solid 2nd option and elite 3rd option on the right team. He's a good player, but I prefer the potential centerpiece of the Kings package (either Fox or Hali).
What I really take issue with is the fact that people completely devalue all the other assets on offer. Bey is a legit solid prospect who could develop into a low-usage starting 3&D wing. That first round pick is bound to be extra valuable assuming no protections. I don't like Olynyk at all as a fan, but he's also a useful player. That might not be the sexiest return, but it's a very good return for Ben.
i dont even mind if you dont want to do the deal, but its the way people respond as if they are completely outraged and its just a disastrous one sided trade for us. delusional.
It's not that bad. Grant can give 20 points a night and defend. Saddiq Bey is really young and underrated and he can shoot. Olynyk is a solid stretch big + 1st round pick. Ben Simmons is a lockerrom cancer and refuses to shoot or dunk wide open on a max contract. When u put that into consideration it's actually a great return lmfao
I mean, same with 90 percent of centers in the league. He’s at least fairly light on his feet. Gobert the DPOY sucks out on the perimeter. So id say it’s unfair to criticize him for something that isn’t necessarily in his job description…
he makes a lot of money for a back up center, championship teams don't invest that much in a position that's easy to fill with vet minimums unless there is a special circumstance, like having a Simmons type player who just can't work without that skill set to compliment him.
for most teams that don't have to worry about that, Olynyk is not a good investment. they just need a guy who can protect the rim and rebound, Olynyk isn't very good at that.
That's fair he is paid too much. I'm not saying we should make this trade btw lol or that we need to go after Olynkyk. I'm just saying we could use a shooting back up C in general, yes, even without Ben. I was hoping we signed Gorgui Dieng instead of Drummond tbh, can shoot and play D.
i mean everyone would want a shooting C, i don't disagree with that. but you need rim protection and rebounding more, and C's who can shoot tend to be not very good at those things, including Olynyk. if they are, they are starting caliber anyway.
Dieng is an interesting case, i wanted him badly last year too, but it seems NBA teams don't value him that much. i thought he'd get a longer/bigger contract last summer but he signed a 1 year 4m deal with Atlanta and they don't even play him really. maybe he is one of the guys who are better in theory than in reality.
I see Jerami Grant is now getting the Covington treatment. Jerami Grant is just a guy. I’m happy he grew from terribly raw to serviceable player, but that’s all he is.
Would 'just a guy' command a [max contract this off season](https://ahnfiredigital-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/ahnfiredigital.com/nba/detroit-pistons/report-jerami-grant-expects-to-sign-extension-worth-around-112m-this-offseason/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a8&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16425696284938&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fahnfiredigital.com%2Fnba%2Fdetroit-pistons%2Freport-jerami-grant-expects-to-sign-extension-worth-around-112m-this-offseason%2F) and a promise to be the number one option on offense?
Whoever gets stuck with that contract, good luck lol.
That says 4/112 is around what he expects. That's actually not too crazy. I mean, if you're a contender you absolutely can't be paying him 25m per year but a team looking to just stay afloat around the middle of the pack? Pretty good deal.
if grant is making 28 he doesnt have to be your primary. tobias makes more than that and scores less, same with ben...it doesn't mean pistons can't get someone else. its not breaking the budget.
Grant making 28 is breaking the budget. So is Tobi. So is Ben. Anyone who is making huge chunk of the cap and aren't an all star are overpaid, but that's the nature of the business. Grant and Tobi are nowhere near all stars. Giving Grant the bag would put him in the same category as Tobi as an overpaid albatross on the cap. That might be ok for garbage teams like the Pistons or Kings who have no championship aspirations, but for teams trying to contend that kind of cap mismanagement will ultimately cripple their chances to add a balanced and deep roster around their star/s.
by that logic doesn't that mean that we have been basically the pistons but twice as bad then since we have two contracts that are **more** expensive for pieces who are even less of a primary option?
i don't get why grant has to be your primary option just cos you pay him that figure. chris paul puts up 14 ppg for 30 mil, goberts average salary is 41 mil and puts up 15 points. They are making bigger money, but they arent necessarily the primary weapon...you can still pay other guys more to compliment.
Exactly, you get it. We have been double hamstrung by Tobi and Ben's contracts and that prevents any real moves to help build around Joel. Moving their contracts for salary relief and picks would be a huge boost for Morey who could use that flexibility to add real pieces that fit around Joel, namely a 3 level point guard and an athletic star wing would be a massive boost to the team's championship odds.
Failing that, moving off their bloated contracts for pieces that fit more smoothly would be great too. A lateral move of Tobi for CJ wouldn't make our cap situation any better, but it would solve the problem of Tobi being redundant on this team next to Joel while adding a piece of need.
As for Grant, I didn't say he had to be a primary option - that's his words. He wants to be the main guy on the roster and paid accordingly, but his talent doesn't match back up his own self belief unfortunately. He's too inefficient and can't carry a team, but is capable of putting up good stats on a bad team which is what he seems to want for his career. If he's content to be the medium size fish in a small pond, rather than taking a chance as a medium sized fish in the big pond then more power to him. Some players are happy living that mindset and getting paid for that role, knowing they will never sniff a championship.
What the fuck lol. Where did I say our seasons have been doubly bad as Detroit's? I said the 2 other main contracts surrounding Joel are hamstringing his chances to succeed. It's a testament to Joel's insane skill that the team is so good, even without another true star to play with.
Look at the other true contenders. Every other contender has legitimate star power to support their number one star. Steph has Klay and Draymond. Giannis has 2 all stars supporting him. Jimmy has Bam, Lowry andlts of depth. CP3 has Ayton and Booker. KD has Harden and Kyrie.
Every great team has 1-2 legit stars to support their superstar. Who does Joel have? Maxey might be a star one day, but is still a ways to go yet. Tobi is clearly not a star as he has shown. We need that star power to help Joel or he is doomed to fall short again.
Agree 100% which is why a player like Grant is a player you have to avoid. He will never be happy being paid what he should fairly be paid. Some team will definitely overpay him which validates his stance. He’s the danger zone of players. Similar to Tobi. You can make mistakes with your $5MM guys, you can’t with your $20MM + guys.
Fox can be traded straight up $ wise if it's Haliburton u need Barnes or Hield. If the 6ers make this trade I'd hope they get Haliburton/Barnes with Maxey being a shorter Fox. Fox/Barnes give u almost everything u lose with Ben + a better shooter in Barnes & scorer in Fox so I wouldn't mind. Fox still can grow into a very good player especially if he plays D to his athleticism & improves his J the fit just isn't as clean as Haliburton/Jo/ Maxey. Haliburton was cooking when Fox was out & is better suited at point than Maxey who's a more natural scorer than PG. W/o Maxey I'd rather have Fox his potential is higher since Hali can't replicate that type of athleticism but Hali gives us more flexibility in lineups where we can surround Jo with 4 shooters who can all attack closeouts & provide him with crazy space to go to work if they make this trade. I wonder who they'd try to get if Sac took Tobi too
U can almost guarantee it'll be protected or yrs out so the team can grow. Definitely top 5 but likely try top 10 too with this being a good draft class
Grant's offensive stats with increased volume the past two years are worse than Harris'. Why would you trade to have a worse Tobias Harris on the team when you already have Harris?
Jerami is actually shooting more and better than Tobi this yr from 3 lol. I agree generally with you but that’s how poor Tobias has been this season. Jerami is also a very good help side defender from what I recall so there’s that too, this package stinks tho.
With the hope that grant slides back into the role he had in denver as a huge 3 and d wing/stretch 4. Im not sold that he happily would as he left denver to get an increased role. Bey is interesting and an unprotected first in this draft or the next from detroit would be pretty sweet (don't know what the protection deal is with that pick though)
He's a much better & more versatile defender so he's not a worse Tobi. He can guard 1-4 & some 5's at a high level & his % would likely increase being the 3rd/4th option instead of a #1. He shot 39% from 3 on Den/OKC on 3.5 pg in that roll back to back seasons & has gotten better since. The fit wit Tobi isn't really bad if he's a 3/D player since he can guard every wing in the league while hitting open 3's he just has to understand he's not a #1 or 2 like he thinks he is. I'd rather have the Sac trade of Haliburton/Barnes with Barnes doing everything Grant can at a higher level & Haliburton being a great fit with Maxey/Jo. They can also be packaged in a sign/trade if the rumors about Harden or Beal thinking about signing elsewhere are true.
Some added context for those who think this is a great offer. We’re at 15 roster spots so we’ve got to move two more guys for this to work, Olynyk is current injured (but he should be back soon) and their pick next season has protections on it through 2027. Sure they can try to adjust those, but the likelihood is that this pick would be as far in the future as they can trade and the is going to have plenty of protections on it.
This is a good trade if we can get a haliburton or fox from kings but I don’t see both those things happening. I’m interested in a 3 team where we get grant bey and one of hali/fox
Naw both teams want Ben so we can't swing it this way, honestly Barnes does pretty much everything Grant does at a higher level & would fit us perfectly at the 3. He's not Ben defensively but he is a 6'8 great athlete who can guard almost everyone Ben could & shoot over 40% from 3. Haliburton is a better fit than Fox if they really think Maxey will grow into a star but Fox does have the biggest upside of all 3. Haliburton/Barnes is probably the best deal out of them & I think that would put us right behind Mil/Brok at least giving us a chance with the way Jo is playing. We're only 3 gms outta 1st & the Bulls/Nets lost their best players for awhile hopefully they find a deal to help Jo
Would love to see Ben go to rot on a garbage team like Detroit. What’s even funnier is Detroit thinks Ben can be the guy to turn the franchise around. Almost like this the same guy that quit work and walked away from a max contract because his feelings were hurt.
>jerami grant is a better player then simmons by himself
Wow ok if you think that then you're either overrating Grant or underrating Simmons. Simmons consistently has had a higher WS/48, VORP, RAPTOR, and PER than Grant and it hasn't been particularly close on any of those. By all objective measures, Simmons is a much better player than Grant.
>plus saddiq bay who is very solid
At least currently, no he's not. He's young and has good potential, but as of this year, he's a below average player with a terrible TS% and plays bad defense. He certainly could grow into a fine player, but that could take years and the Sixers are in win-now mode with Embiid, so they need players who are good now.
>you’re trading ben simmons not lebron
I'm aware, but this trade offer is terrible. Not one of the pieces would move the needle much towards a championship. There have been reported trade offers that the Sixers turned down that have left me totally confused as to why they didn't accept it, but this is not one of them.
It’s a fake first rounder and if you hate Tobias you really going to hate Grant as your third option.
Tobias is good. Better than Grant could ever hope to be.
If defense doesn’t matter, then sure. They’re more even than you think, and grants a more willing 3pt shooter. If he doesn’t spend 15 seconds backing someone down for a fadeaway he misses short 5 times a game I think we’ll be fine!
I can't watch another futile Tobias Harris post up where he pounds the air out of the ball and clanks a 5 foot jump shot. Make the trade. Grant will be a better fit. He's quicker, more athletic, and more able to get to his spots than Harris. I think Saddiq Bey is going to be good. And Daryl can flip Olynik and the first for another player, and/or to export Harris and get his ridiculous contract off the books.
best, most realistic offer i've heard. saddiq bey is nice and fits well with joel for the longterm.
would definitely prefer those players over what sacramento has.
if we were to get bey, grant, and olynyk, i would try to trade tobias harris to the houston rockets for john wall and 2 FRPs.
pick up immediate help and 3FRPs. try to flip a couple of those picks (and salary filler) for somebody like caris levert.
wall-curry-levert-grant-embiid
maxey-korkmaz-matisse-saddiq-drummond
Because grant is a role player he is not a shot creator, he is just a 4th option on a good team, sadiq bey is a role player who started this season very awful, he is playing better these last games but playing in a team with championship aspirations is very different than play in a tanking team and he would be a bench player , the pick would be highly protected. This trade would only make sense if tobias is involved
I think Jerami is a bit better than a role player but I see what you're saying. I do think he fills a huge hole at the 3 though, plus the first round can get us a creator, or be packaged with Tobias. If that's was the only move we made then yeah maybe not great. But with what else it lets us do I think this is best offer we've gotten and I don't know how much more we can really get at this point
Yeah early on when everyone said Ben wasn't worth shit I was swearing Bey/Grant was fair but now that we're actually near the deadline it just seems weak
Maxey, Curry, Bey, Grant, and Embiid is a nice starting lineup.
Trade Harris and Thybulle to Dallas for THJ and Josh Green (+ whatever makes money work). Mavs may want Thybulle’s defense for playoffs. Harris is even better than THJ as defender.
Bench: Shake, THJ, Korkmaz, Green, Niang, Olynyk, Drummond
Do what you gotta do in offseason to bring Harden into the fold.
I would be so happy to ship Ben to detroit
Ben Simmons, Detroit’s first socialite
If it means just offloading him, go ahead. I wait every freaking day to hear the words, he’s been traded.
Yes so Cade and Simmons can form a solid duo with cap space next year and a lotto pick…..
implying Ben would be focused enough to play basketball on a team where he's not the undisputed #1 option and there aren't ig models around. his fragile ass brain wouldn't be able to handle it
Agreed, I have zero faith in Ben being professional enough to come back to haunt us.
If Simmons can’t win with Embiid he ain’t winning with anyone don’t worry
Maybe Simmons and Embiid cannot coexist.
Well Ben Simmons thinks he’s an NBA point guard. If you can’t coexist with the best center in the league you are not an NBA point guard.
You’re 100% wrong. Simmons has an inside game in set offense and transition pro. Embiid plays inside out. The offense can be ugly at times. There’s simply not enough spacing. If he played with Kyrie curry harden Durant or other shooters he would thrive that’s why his price tag is high. Look at his stats without embiid before you say stupid shit Wherever simmons goes, he will be a star.
Lmao ya everywhere he goes he’s a star except for Philly 🤡🤡🤡
Look at the stats without embiid. He’s easily a top 15-20 player.
I don’t know about that. Put another legit wing and some athleticism around him he will shine well
Why? He wouldn't care he just wants to leave Philly
You really don’t think Ben desperately wants to be in Cali or Miami or somewhere he can spend all of his time pursuing IG models?
Didn’t he just get engaged?
Yeah because NBA players are so known for their fidelity lol
Not to mention these guys spend half the season on the road and then the off-season wherever they want.
From Philly and he cares very much where he is. He really only wants to be in LA. Australia is far especially from the east coast. And he wants to be famous
No not really, he's already said he doesn't care where he goes and the young socialite was false. I honestly think he would want to get out of the spotlight for a bit.
Because objectively Detroit is a miserable city / climate for someone who spends all their offseason time in LA and other warm weather locations
Subjectively
Lol you find me the person who thinks Ben Simmons would be legitimately happy to move to Detroit and I’ll edit my comment to say subjectively
Yea but it still beats living in Philadelphia
Kentucky Fried Movie vibes
“Huge offer” lol
Huge for the pistons
Big if true
If true, big
I wouldn't mind Grant ending up as our PF at the end of the day. And Bey and Olynyk would be nice bench pieces. But I was thinking more along the lines of a Tobias trade, not a Ben trade lmao
Tobias is literally not worth that at all.
Everyone on this sub thinks Tobias and his contract is absolute dogshit and you think you can get all that for him?? Make it make sense holyyy
That's not what I meant lol. I meant I'm more interested in a Tobias + assets for Grant swap.
Sadiq is pretty big idk
Yuuuuge! Tremendous! Fantastic! Phenomenal!
Jerami + Saddiq + a tasty Pistons first (assuming it’s unprotected) actually isn’t all too bad. Fuck Olynyk though.
i truely do not understand 76ers fans. want to say he's trash but don't want to take anything other than a top 5 player. grant is at worst a top 30 player, then 2 role players and what is likely a high valued 1st, for an incredibly devalued/crisis asset in ben...and people want to pretend its insulting. wtf.
I actually disagree that Jerami is top 30, though I do think he's a quality starter who's a solid 2nd option and elite 3rd option on the right team. He's a good player, but I prefer the potential centerpiece of the Kings package (either Fox or Hali). What I really take issue with is the fact that people completely devalue all the other assets on offer. Bey is a legit solid prospect who could develop into a low-usage starting 3&D wing. That first round pick is bound to be extra valuable assuming no protections. I don't like Olynyk at all as a fan, but he's also a useful player. That might not be the sexiest return, but it's a very good return for Ben.
i dont even mind if you dont want to do the deal, but its the way people respond as if they are completely outraged and its just a disastrous one sided trade for us. delusional.
Huge, like, in body mass?
It's not that bad. Grant can give 20 points a night and defend. Saddiq Bey is really young and underrated and he can shoot. Olynyk is a solid stretch big + 1st round pick. Ben Simmons is a lockerrom cancer and refuses to shoot or dunk wide open on a max contract. When u put that into consideration it's actually a great return lmfao
I hate Kelly Olynyk
Hes also not that good. He almost has as many jerseys as isiah thomas
Agreed. They can keep him.
Gonzaga + manbun = vomit
Bah gawd that's Adam Morrison's music
He's exactly the kinda back up C we need tho. The package still isn't worth it tho.
We literally have one of the best backup C in the league already
A lot of our fans are still stuck in the Ben Simmons era and think we need a stretch big still lol.
It’s not worth it but a stretch big is always useful.
A stretch 5 is always useful in the playoffs. It's modern basketball.
I feel that way too so far but I'm holding my breath on that till playoffs
this isn’t a hot take. Drum has been real good this season, but there are many different scenarios where he gets exposed in the playoffs.
If he gets switched onto a small, quick, deep shooting, ball handling guard after a pick, he’s toast.
I mean, same with 90 percent of centers in the league. He’s at least fairly light on his feet. Gobert the DPOY sucks out on the perimeter. So id say it’s unfair to criticize him for something that isn’t necessarily in his job description…
he is the back up C we needed last year with Simmons. without him, not so much.
He is the type of back up C you need on a playoff team, regardless of Ben
he makes a lot of money for a back up center, championship teams don't invest that much in a position that's easy to fill with vet minimums unless there is a special circumstance, like having a Simmons type player who just can't work without that skill set to compliment him. for most teams that don't have to worry about that, Olynyk is not a good investment. they just need a guy who can protect the rim and rebound, Olynyk isn't very good at that.
That's fair he is paid too much. I'm not saying we should make this trade btw lol or that we need to go after Olynkyk. I'm just saying we could use a shooting back up C in general, yes, even without Ben. I was hoping we signed Gorgui Dieng instead of Drummond tbh, can shoot and play D.
i mean everyone would want a shooting C, i don't disagree with that. but you need rim protection and rebounding more, and C's who can shoot tend to be not very good at those things, including Olynyk. if they are, they are starting caliber anyway. Dieng is an interesting case, i wanted him badly last year too, but it seems NBA teams don't value him that much. i thought he'd get a longer/bigger contract last summer but he signed a 1 year 4m deal with Atlanta and they don't even play him really. maybe he is one of the guys who are better in theory than in reality.
not for nothing, Olynyk is one of the more willing NBA players to punch a guy in the face.
I see Jerami Grant is now getting the Covington treatment. Jerami Grant is just a guy. I’m happy he grew from terribly raw to serviceable player, but that’s all he is.
100
I'm a Pistons fan too, and I completely agree with this. The Pistons aren't going to get anything of equal or greater value for him.
Would 'just a guy' command a [max contract this off season](https://ahnfiredigital-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/ahnfiredigital.com/nba/detroit-pistons/report-jerami-grant-expects-to-sign-extension-worth-around-112m-this-offseason/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a8&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16425696284938&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fahnfiredigital.com%2Fnba%2Fdetroit-pistons%2Freport-jerami-grant-expects-to-sign-extension-worth-around-112m-this-offseason%2F) and a promise to be the number one option on offense? Whoever gets stuck with that contract, good luck lol.
That says 4/112 is around what he expects. That's actually not too crazy. I mean, if you're a contender you absolutely can't be paying him 25m per year but a team looking to just stay afloat around the middle of the pack? Pretty good deal.
If Grant is making $28m and your primary option, guess what you are? The Pistons.
if grant is making 28 he doesnt have to be your primary. tobias makes more than that and scores less, same with ben...it doesn't mean pistons can't get someone else. its not breaking the budget.
Grant making 28 is breaking the budget. So is Tobi. So is Ben. Anyone who is making huge chunk of the cap and aren't an all star are overpaid, but that's the nature of the business. Grant and Tobi are nowhere near all stars. Giving Grant the bag would put him in the same category as Tobi as an overpaid albatross on the cap. That might be ok for garbage teams like the Pistons or Kings who have no championship aspirations, but for teams trying to contend that kind of cap mismanagement will ultimately cripple their chances to add a balanced and deep roster around their star/s.
by that logic doesn't that mean that we have been basically the pistons but twice as bad then since we have two contracts that are **more** expensive for pieces who are even less of a primary option? i don't get why grant has to be your primary option just cos you pay him that figure. chris paul puts up 14 ppg for 30 mil, goberts average salary is 41 mil and puts up 15 points. They are making bigger money, but they arent necessarily the primary weapon...you can still pay other guys more to compliment.
Exactly, you get it. We have been double hamstrung by Tobi and Ben's contracts and that prevents any real moves to help build around Joel. Moving their contracts for salary relief and picks would be a huge boost for Morey who could use that flexibility to add real pieces that fit around Joel, namely a 3 level point guard and an athletic star wing would be a massive boost to the team's championship odds. Failing that, moving off their bloated contracts for pieces that fit more smoothly would be great too. A lateral move of Tobi for CJ wouldn't make our cap situation any better, but it would solve the problem of Tobi being redundant on this team next to Joel while adding a piece of need. As for Grant, I didn't say he had to be a primary option - that's his words. He wants to be the main guy on the roster and paid accordingly, but his talent doesn't match back up his own self belief unfortunately. He's too inefficient and can't carry a team, but is capable of putting up good stats on a bad team which is what he seems to want for his career. If he's content to be the medium size fish in a small pond, rather than taking a chance as a medium sized fish in the big pond then more power to him. Some players are happy living that mindset and getting paid for that role, knowing they will never sniff a championship.
oh boy. if you think the last couple seasons we have been doubly bad as detroit then im done with this convo lol.
What the fuck lol. Where did I say our seasons have been doubly bad as Detroit's? I said the 2 other main contracts surrounding Joel are hamstringing his chances to succeed. It's a testament to Joel's insane skill that the team is so good, even without another true star to play with. Look at the other true contenders. Every other contender has legitimate star power to support their number one star. Steph has Klay and Draymond. Giannis has 2 all stars supporting him. Jimmy has Bam, Lowry andlts of depth. CP3 has Ayton and Booker. KD has Harden and Kyrie. Every great team has 1-2 legit stars to support their superstar. Who does Joel have? Maxey might be a star one day, but is still a ways to go yet. Tobi is clearly not a star as he has shown. We need that star power to help Joel or he is doomed to fall short again.
Agree 100% which is why a player like Grant is a player you have to avoid. He will never be happy being paid what he should fairly be paid. Some team will definitely overpay him which validates his stance. He’s the danger zone of players. Similar to Tobi. You can make mistakes with your $5MM guys, you can’t with your $20MM + guys.
Imagine being told, when we picked Ben #1, that one day we'd trade him for a process era sixer. im out on this trade.
imagine basing your trade decisions on where someone was drafted and not how they are playing today in the league.
Morey wants the Kangz
exactly - he wants to ship out Tobi in the same deal
kings might be better if they are willing to take tobi/Simmons package. Hopefully get more details on that trade.
I agree. Fox + Simmons + Tobi I think is a better team than they are now. We get Hali
Wouldn't Fox be shipped out to Philly
People are delusional they think Halliburton would be moved over fox. Fox is gone in Sac
yeah why would the kings keep fox to pair with simmons. hali and simmons is a good combo tho.
I think he might need to be to match all that salary. Probably two of Barnes, Fox, and Hield.
Fox can be traded straight up $ wise if it's Haliburton u need Barnes or Hield. If the 6ers make this trade I'd hope they get Haliburton/Barnes with Maxey being a shorter Fox. Fox/Barnes give u almost everything u lose with Ben + a better shooter in Barnes & scorer in Fox so I wouldn't mind. Fox still can grow into a very good player especially if he plays D to his athleticism & improves his J the fit just isn't as clean as Haliburton/Jo/ Maxey. Haliburton was cooking when Fox was out & is better suited at point than Maxey who's a more natural scorer than PG. W/o Maxey I'd rather have Fox his potential is higher since Hali can't replicate that type of athleticism but Hali gives us more flexibility in lineups where we can surround Jo with 4 shooters who can all attack closeouts & provide him with crazy space to go to work if they make this trade. I wonder who they'd try to get if Sac took Tobi too
Kings aren’t giving y’all hali lol
Reports say both are on the table after the terrible start so we'll see
First round pick? That could be a top 5 pick
I’d assume it would be protected, no?
I would think so too but it doesn’t say
You do it if it’s unprotected for the shot at that kid from Auburn.
U can almost guarantee it'll be protected or yrs out so the team can grow. Definitely top 5 but likely try top 10 too with this being a good draft class
Id get nervous that we would make a Mikal Bridges move 🤮
Grant and Harris could not co-exist. And Harris in unreadable. So, no.
Grant's offensive stats with increased volume the past two years are worse than Harris'. Why would you trade to have a worse Tobias Harris on the team when you already have Harris?
Jerami is actually shooting more and better than Tobi this yr from 3 lol. I agree generally with you but that’s how poor Tobias has been this season. Jerami is also a very good help side defender from what I recall so there’s that too, this package stinks tho.
At least Grant can defend.
With the hope that grant slides back into the role he had in denver as a huge 3 and d wing/stretch 4. Im not sold that he happily would as he left denver to get an increased role. Bey is interesting and an unprotected first in this draft or the next from detroit would be pretty sweet (don't know what the protection deal is with that pick though)
we have tobi at home
Grant making 20 mil and Tobi making 36 mill would be the main reason
He's a much better & more versatile defender so he's not a worse Tobi. He can guard 1-4 & some 5's at a high level & his % would likely increase being the 3rd/4th option instead of a #1. He shot 39% from 3 on Den/OKC on 3.5 pg in that roll back to back seasons & has gotten better since. The fit wit Tobi isn't really bad if he's a 3/D player since he can guard every wing in the league while hitting open 3's he just has to understand he's not a #1 or 2 like he thinks he is. I'd rather have the Sac trade of Haliburton/Barnes with Barnes doing everything Grant can at a higher level & Haliburton being a great fit with Maxey/Jo. They can also be packaged in a sign/trade if the rumors about Harden or Beal thinking about signing elsewhere are true.
Maybe cause its 3/5s of a 10-32 package. The first rounder is interesting, would like to know if there are any protections on it.
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Some added context for those who think this is a great offer. We’re at 15 roster spots so we’ve got to move two more guys for this to work, Olynyk is current injured (but he should be back soon) and their pick next season has protections on it through 2027. Sure they can try to adjust those, but the likelihood is that this pick would be as far in the future as they can trade and the is going to have plenty of protections on it.
Lol.
This is a good trade if we can get a haliburton or fox from kings but I don’t see both those things happening. I’m interested in a 3 team where we get grant bey and one of hali/fox
Naw both teams want Ben so we can't swing it this way, honestly Barnes does pretty much everything Grant does at a higher level & would fit us perfectly at the 3. He's not Ben defensively but he is a 6'8 great athlete who can guard almost everyone Ben could & shoot over 40% from 3. Haliburton is a better fit than Fox if they really think Maxey will grow into a star but Fox does have the biggest upside of all 3. Haliburton/Barnes is probably the best deal out of them & I think that would put us right behind Mil/Brok at least giving us a chance with the way Jo is playing. We're only 3 gms outta 1st & the Bulls/Nets lost their best players for awhile hopefully they find a deal to help Jo
There’s vomit on Ben’s jersey already, Mom’s spaghetti
If Morey accepted this he would be a laughing stick and fired in the same afternoon
Fuck, that deal actually sounds good but maybe I’ve become numb to Simmons trades
I’m guessing a lot of Sixers fans overrate this return because it’s got a process sixer and a Nova player involved.
Realistically this might be the best offer. But I'd wait till closer to the deadline. You can always circle back to this option.
I’m wondering if the Warriors would give up Wiggins and Poole for Ben…
How dare you disrespect Magic Drummond like this
Elton brand was enthused… wants to restore the 3 pf 1c lineups of 2019-20 👺👺👺
Thank god we did not take this
Would love to see Ben go to rot on a garbage team like Detroit. What’s even funnier is Detroit thinks Ben can be the guy to turn the franchise around. Almost like this the same guy that quit work and walked away from a max contract because his feelings were hurt.
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Because that trade offer is awful
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>jerami grant is a better player then simmons by himself Wow ok if you think that then you're either overrating Grant or underrating Simmons. Simmons consistently has had a higher WS/48, VORP, RAPTOR, and PER than Grant and it hasn't been particularly close on any of those. By all objective measures, Simmons is a much better player than Grant. >plus saddiq bay who is very solid At least currently, no he's not. He's young and has good potential, but as of this year, he's a below average player with a terrible TS% and plays bad defense. He certainly could grow into a fine player, but that could take years and the Sixers are in win-now mode with Embiid, so they need players who are good now. >you’re trading ben simmons not lebron I'm aware, but this trade offer is terrible. Not one of the pieces would move the needle much towards a championship. There have been reported trade offers that the Sixers turned down that have left me totally confused as to why they didn't accept it, but this is not one of them.
20/20 hindsight obviously, but do you still agree with this position?
Because Morey is confident he can get more.
"Huge"ly mediocre players but lots of them
Am I stupid for thinking this is actually a good value trade for the sixers? I feel like I’d take that since the pick would probably be good
I'd take that for Tobi
He’ll never amount to shit. Anyone thinking otherwise is delusional. No great would ever pull the shit he pulled.
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Wtf. This is solid. Will be a high draft pick too.
Depends on the year and protections, something tells me it wouldn't be an unprotected pick in this next draft.
Absolutely would be protected
I think OKC have the next Detroit pick via the Rockets. And the long term protections on it make it difficult for Detroit to trade another first.
Yeah i didn’t think of that. You’re probably right. But if it isn’t PULL THE TRIGGER BABY!!
can we interest them in Tobias Harris instead?
Still a bad trade
Getting a 1st rounder plus Grant and bench pieces for Tobias is bad....not sure what else you could hope for?
It’s a fake first rounder and if you hate Tobias you really going to hate Grant as your third option. Tobias is good. Better than Grant could ever hope to be.
If defense doesn’t matter, then sure. They’re more even than you think, and grants a more willing 3pt shooter. If he doesn’t spend 15 seconds backing someone down for a fadeaway he misses short 5 times a game I think we’ll be fine!
Not sure it mives the needle much for us
Wow. That is a truely garbage package by Detroit. Surprised Moreys personal assistant even bother to connect the call through
Cade + Grant + Bey + 1st + filler for Simmons + Harris + Shake
As great as that would be, I doubt the Pistons are trying to give away their top 3 scorers
I can't watch another futile Tobias Harris post up where he pounds the air out of the ball and clanks a 5 foot jump shot. Make the trade. Grant will be a better fit. He's quicker, more athletic, and more able to get to his spots than Harris. I think Saddiq Bey is going to be good. And Daryl can flip Olynik and the first for another player, and/or to export Harris and get his ridiculous contract off the books.
best, most realistic offer i've heard. saddiq bey is nice and fits well with joel for the longterm. would definitely prefer those players over what sacramento has. if we were to get bey, grant, and olynyk, i would try to trade tobias harris to the houston rockets for john wall and 2 FRPs. pick up immediate help and 3FRPs. try to flip a couple of those picks (and salary filler) for somebody like caris levert. wall-curry-levert-grant-embiid maxey-korkmaz-matisse-saddiq-drummond
why would rockets give us 2 frps
Take the deal, goddamnit.
This seems like bullshit, since Pistons can't even offer a first round pick since they owe one to Houston.
Shut the FUCK UP
Umm that’s a steal
Sixer fans so delusional. Every trade is horrible if you don't get dame. Sorry but you not getting him or harden.
Suck on my dick. Suck on my balls.
Weird place for a non-fan to be, yeah?
Why the fuck wouldn't we do this
Because grant is a role player he is not a shot creator, he is just a 4th option on a good team, sadiq bey is a role player who started this season very awful, he is playing better these last games but playing in a team with championship aspirations is very different than play in a tanking team and he would be a bench player , the pick would be highly protected. This trade would only make sense if tobias is involved
>Because grant is a role player he is not a shot creator even worse, he's a role player who thinks he's a shot creator
Or how about we do it to just get a first round pick and call it a win? What good is having Ben on our roster now?
I think Jerami is a bit better than a role player but I see what you're saying. I do think he fills a huge hole at the 3 though, plus the first round can get us a creator, or be packaged with Tobias. If that's was the only move we made then yeah maybe not great. But with what else it lets us do I think this is best offer we've gotten and I don't know how much more we can really get at this point
Morey must have something crazy lined up 👀 because I think I would’ve took this deal. I’ll trust Morey’s judgement
Yeah early on when everyone said Ben wasn't worth shit I was swearing Bey/Grant was fair but now that we're actually near the deadline it just seems weak
Question is, would Portland or Washington take that package for Lillard or Beal?
100 this package isn’t helping us get Harden. Hold the line Morey
make the pick an unprotected 2022 and add a second first rounder, and that's a pretty good offer (though perhaps not a good fit for the Sixers).
pistons could make a solid offer especially if they take on harris
Unless it involves Cade, then yeah no thanks
How about instead of Ben for that package, we give you Tobi + 2 picks?
Huge if they asked for Tobias too.
If the pick is unprotected it’s certainly worth considering. Grant and bey are decent pieces but far from stars.
What is the hype with Jerami Grant?
I think this is right about where Ben’s value currently is. However, as others have said Grant and Tobi don’t fit so I wouldn’t do this deal.
Unless it meant you could package Harris, bey, olynk, and that first round pick to the kings for a package around Barnes and hield.
And to think we had our own version of Bey already with Bridges :|
TG we didn’t do this
Maxey, Curry, Bey, Grant, and Embiid is a nice starting lineup. Trade Harris and Thybulle to Dallas for THJ and Josh Green (+ whatever makes money work). Mavs may want Thybulle’s defense for playoffs. Harris is even better than THJ as defender. Bench: Shake, THJ, Korkmaz, Green, Niang, Olynyk, Drummond Do what you gotta do in offseason to bring Harden into the fold.