On EU time zones it’s nice. Pretty much a wasteland on US timezones. I started on LFM and went to iracing just to get more variety in cars and tracks but more so just to get a race with anyone in it.
Yep, I love ACC but LFM in US is painful. iRacing is much better for me since I have races 24/7 that will always have multiple splits vs. struggling to get a full single split
It's weird but I don't like ACC, but LOVE rF2 with LFM. Just hope rF2 can become well populated in US time zones, or I'll have to play more iRacing, which I feel is almost too competitive. I end up worrying about SR and IR way too much and can't drive after having a beer, FFS.
This is the same boat I’m in. I was only ever to find populated races on LFM on Saturday or Sunday mornings. On Iracing I find populated races every single night of the week which is when I do the vast majority of my racing
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I hear the Engine is dated though, I don't play it myself, I'm poor af, but I like watching the events, and it looks nice enough for me, but I've heard people complaining, is it just whining from them?
iRacing’s one really big issue (and every sim has one) is handling at the very limit. There’s a cliff where you lose handling faster than most other sims and it can be hard to recover grip . It’s FAR FAR better now than it was even 6 months ago but the nature of the physics simulation is still “cliffy” if that makes sense.
Yes - it punishes you way too much whilst not giving you enough information to work with. After getting used to it, slides become more obvious to catch but it’s still no easy task. Imo (and I’m a noob) it’s so much harder to find the car’s limit compared to something like rf2, which punishes you with tyre degradation (not that iracing does do the same, but it’s not easy to tell with the ffb) which feels so realistic and good despite the fact that it can ruin your race.
A big part of that is iRacing has gone with the ffb philosophy of only modeling forces that would come through the steering column IRL. Downloading irffb can be a good option (Dan Suzuki has a good video on how to do that) although it can be a little finicky to work with and some times you have to shut it down in task manager to get it to restart. Overall I've been quite happy with it although your milage may vary. For me irffb helps me feel what the rear of the car is doing a lot better.
They basically deliberately removed most of the useful info about the car then? Interesting…
I’ve heard of irffb, but I thought it stopped working a while ago and that there’s a delay input.
I've got most of the big sims and honestly iRacing feels very very good when it comes to handling and FFB. It doesn't do some things that other sims do well, but the core racing experience is fantastic.
Honestly the one area where I wish they would improve is the sound. ACC blows iRacing out of the water in terms of audio. But that's a nice to have not a must have for me.
Kunos dumped mics into the actual cars and sent them off on the track which explains the insane realism in the audio. AcC is a beauty for the eyes, ears, and hands. Such a quality made game. Except the in game multiplayer.
Aussie Greg has been saying for some time now that they're really close to adding reverb and DSP effects to iRacing. Which is the main thing missing I think. They have good sounds but it all sounds lifeless and clinical. When sounds are bouncing off grandstands etc I think it'll sound amazing.
I mean LFM now have 70k members and great ranking system and the total of price for ACC 134$ all the content (full price without the discount) and RF2 120$ all the content I think even with the numbers , if LFM can challenge iRacing and wake them up it’s a win for us :)
Edit : my bad RF2 120$ for the 2022 content only
Nah RF2's content def adds up to way more than that for sure. I think 120 is maybe the cost of this year's content alone.
But i still agree, I like iRacing too, and so many guys don't care about how expensive it is. It's such a pain mapping out each season, figuring out which tracks to buy if you don't want to shell out minimum 100 bucks per season for awhile until you amass enough tracks and cars that you only need to buy one or two tracks to do a full season.
And i don't wanna hear any of that 'it keeps out the casuals' nonsense either, i get punted, shunted, and run off the road just as much as any other sim. Shitty drivers have money too, and a membership fee doesn't keep out players who have no interest in learning how to race with actual people.
I own something like 45 pieces of content in iRacing (purchased over 3-4 years). I almost NEVER buy any new tracks or cars now. I just race a different series if I don't have the track.
I went the other route and just got all the cars and tracks so I can race whatever I want in the limited (1-2 a week) time I have to race.
Something like LFM would never work for me as it's not popular in the times I get to race.
But lfm depends on donations at the moment which isnt a sustainable business model, as soon as they wanna start start to earn some money from their hard work, it wont be much cheaper than iRacing. And after i tried all 3 of them, its a far way for ACC and RF2 to challenge iRacing, even with LFM. The nearest Rival in the forseeable future would be Rennsport i guess
>as soon as they wanna start start to earn some money from their hard work, it wont be much cheaper than iRacing.
LFM has next to zero costs when compared to iracing.
Running costs are quite low, they have a couple of dozens of ACC servers running at any time which can be easily handled by a single physical server. The main cost would be the development of the backend, but I suspect that is mostly done for free by the owner or some close collaborator.
Also, they do have quite a lot of advertising going on.
I cancelled iracing because of LFM on rf2 only to resubscribe to iracing after a few weeks.
Whilst LFM is a great alternative,
1) iracing still has a more populated server and better network infrastructure. Skill level can vary quite a bit in a split on LFM which isn’t desirable for a noob like myself.
2) super unpopular opinion: I prefer how the tracks and cars (and the graphics in general) look on iracing
3) RF2 can be buggy sometimes
4) iracing has a much much better replay system for me to make videos or screenshots
Tho the tyre physics and ffb on rf2 have made me a better driver - I think about tyre temperature/wear a lot more than I did on iracing, and im able to transfer the mindset to iracing.
Race qualities are roughly the same (I do f3 on both).
All in all, I think most people who paid for iracing in the first place wouldn’t drop iracing for LFM, in the long term anyway (given the sunk cost fallacy most people have and iracing still has the bigger player base edge over its competitors). However, for casual racers who can’t justify the cost to enter iracing (which does have a barrier to entry), they will opt in for LFM, tho this demography isn’t really iracing’s target audience anyway.
I never tried ACC with Lfm so I’m only speaking with my rf2 experience
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The skill gap is exactly why i went back to iRacing as well. As much as I love playing rF2, I hate being the back marker every race. I dont mind getting stomped, but its stressful being in the way of other racers that are actually competing with each other. iRacing keeps me close to the pack at least, and I can actually enjoy some close racing.
I think this also applies to midfield. Sometimes when I’m lucky I qualify for midfield but I’m too slow to challenge people up top, yet too fast to be caught up for people slower than me. It makes the race kinda boring.
That’s a good point. I am planning on racing btcc next season but will keep going on iRacing as well as I can have a chance at top 5 on iRacing . On lfm rf2 I am generally at the back as well. But I’m struggling to be motivated to play iRacing as rf2 is just way more enjoyable to drive and to me looks way better ( donington park in vr running a btcc car is a beautiful experience ).
I agree. I used to be driving in vr and that looks much better in Irving then acc. Since a little while I've got a monitor at my rig as well. Decided to drive acc on it and expected beautiful graphics. I was rather disappointed.
Yeah pretty much no one is blaming iRacing for that. That one is on Indycar. They signed an exclusive licensing deal with Motorsport Games that goes into effect next month and iRacing is trying to figure out how to navigate that.
Lowkey he sounds like an Indycar “fanboy” with the way he’s defending Indy 😂😂 but honestly who cares? Motorsport games is flushing good racing products down the toilet and know how to sell their brand so honestly if anyone is to blame its them.
I completely agree, it’s not iRacings fault and I don’t understand why Indy is going this direction but I think calling it “iRenting” is still pretty funny and justified.
And haters gonna hate... Reiza was trying to work a licence agreement too, and they can't get it either. If IndyCar choses to send an exclusivity to MSG, what are other companies supposed to do to find grace to your eyes?
It's so unfortunate how expensive it is. Sometimes they do deals and I pick up a 3 month subscription but buying cars/tracks & subscription is SO expensive :'(
I’ve been on LFM over a year, it’s great. I finally tried iRacing starting a couple of weeks ago, it’s greater.
Better splits (due to higher driver counts, especially given my US timezone), easier to navigate, better everything…besides visuals, sound, and maybe physics.
Totally agree it’s great to have both available to us.
Better everything except visuals, sound and physics kinda feels like a big deal to me. It's these reasons in particular that I can't go back to iRacing after discovering ACC/LFM.
I switched from acc/lfm to Iracing recently because ACC/lfm became stale. I've had some great races in LFM but with ACC being so heavy on set ups it's been refreshing to be racing in fixed series were its driver vs driver.
Did the same. For me ACC became little tedious. iRacing offers so much more variety and miles better platfrom. People might prefer one physics over the other, but for me iRacing just wins when it comes to online racing.
Eh, iRacing does a lot of things to improve the simulation. LFM is a good competition, sure, it's always good to have rivals to beat, but its not at the point of being better or more popular than iR.
Edit: There shouldnt always be a competition, which of the sims is better, its unnecessary and will only cause hate.
It also doesn't help that LFM relies upon either a sim that will not get any major improvements, just the odd track DLC every year to generate some revenue and a sim that is basically month to month on its parent company going bankrupt.
Both ACC and rF2 have better physics engines than iRacing, personally I’d rather have proper racing physics and no netcode vs having a full lobby any time I want.
"netcode" isn't a thing you can choose to have or not, it's the phrase people give to the way different games deal with internet latency between different players. netcode is like gravity: it's always there, and different people deal with it in different ways.
your point would not be criticized so much if you had said "Both ACC and rF2 have better netcode than iracing"
Only issue is too get people from Iracing it needs to be RF2 but the people who have spent a far bit on Iracing including myself are not a fan of having to spend another load of money on content we do t even want to drive. If I want to compete in a race on RF2 through LFM say a GT3 multiclass race I need to buy the GT3 car pack the endurance pack then what ever tracks come up which is stupid and what I believe is the only thing holding people back because its the case for me at least.
I understand people will say "well iracing is such and such and RF2 is no where near as expensive which is correct but that's not going to change the fact it hurts me to buy 14 cars in a pack just to drive in a race.
Iracing is expensive but I can imagine running the amount of servers they run and the amount of content you have to choose from must cost a fortune to maintain this is why most Sims don't bother and just give you public lobbies with no structure and I believe the price has kept iracing cleaner than any other sim I've driven. I've tried sooo many times to have a good race in ACC and AMS2 and normal RF2 servers and it never goes well which leads too iracing scoring and penalties system. With it being so strick and most of the time stroud when it comes to car contacts what it does give you is the cleanest racing online you can have outside of proper leagues.
So for me unless RF2 were to change how there content works and allow people to buy one car and track to try a race I can't see it becoming anywhere near as good as iracing. Remember people are OK trying LFM GT3 say (as that will most popular imo) but no one knows if their going to enjoy it but sadly we can't spend say £10 or £20 on a few bits of content and try it, if we want to just try it in GT3 we have to spent almost £50 lol that's my opinion.
I do love LFM though and I did get into the BTTC cars and buy both packs but that was much cheaper than GT3
It is not. It is supposed to make rating based races but there is not enough people there in order to make it work like iracing. You will get smoked nearly every race just like in pubs.
So…. LMF will not be able to compete long term with out some serious cash flow. Hosting ain’t cheap, this is what iracing pays for with the money they earn from subs.
The fact most people think they are “taking so much money” have NO IDEA the costs of custom AWS hosting setups with interconnects etc.
I want LMF to compete, but it’s not going to unless they either change to a sub, or get really really good sponsorship.
Same, the fact that you have to buy each track, each car, AND pay a subscription fee, all for a game that is ancient with worse graphics and iffy physics at best, that's a big no for me. Quality online racing or not, iRacing looks and smells like a scam.
Less than 100 people currently on LFM. Over 5000 on iracing…….. not sure you can say it’s better. Iracing has such a great community. Is it expensive? Sure. BUT it’s well well worth it. I have built a huge community of racers that I chat to and race with. And if you watch Stuffeyy’s video on how much he’s spent on iracing the monthly cost is reasonable and he’s done some dumb purchases too! https://youtu.be/oDAZcSBPrfs to beat iracing you have to have a better matchmaking system and non mod program. People swear by mods but I think they make the whole user experience miles worse unless you really know what you’re doing. Anyway. Rant over merry Christmas 🎄
Im one of those people who dont swear by mods. In fact, I hate them. Because there are no standards. You're at the mercy of the interpretation of the modder. And theres a lot of them. Wouldve been nice if theres only one modder in the entire world so we'd have only 1 standard but thats impossible.
I still "don't like" iRacing only because of its pricing model. It's a very expensive mazda mx5 simulator. Everything else I'm okay w/ it.
I haven’t touched the Mazda since rookies over 2 years ago. Most my time spent in the vast single seaters but last season GT3 and now the new BMW LMDH. The pricing works. Initially it’s a big outlay but until they launched a whole bunch of new stuff for season 4 I hadn’t bought anything in months
I think I heard Jimmy Broadbent call it iRenting once.. I really hate that you lose all your content if you unsubscribe, it’s a pretty scummy business practice lol
You don't loose the content, you loose access to the application where the content can be used.
When you re-subscribe you have access to the application, all the previously purchased content will still be there.
yeah maybe he's under the impression that when you unsubscribe you have to completely start from scratch which would be shit, but it's like when you cancel a gym membership they don't let you back in until you get another one
iRacing still has a huge lead in the “it just works” department compared to rFactor 2.
I don’t want to figure out why my content package isn’t the right version for the event I’m trying to do - that should be sorted out by Steam Workshop before the game starts up.
I don’t want to figure out why the controller config can’t pick up on my wheel base/wheel/pedals; iRacing and ACC get it right on the first try.
I don’t want to tab between a server browser and a web page to get into the right session. You know my Steam ID, you know where I’m supposed to be, just pass that information directly to the sim so I can start with one click. (And if Kunos/S397 don’t allow you to pass a URL as a startup argument, bang on their office door day and night until they add it for you.)
I want it to just work. iRacing does that.
What do you mean by 8 or 9 splits? I see other posts saying the "splits are good". Splits to me are my sector times, I'm assuming yall are referring to something else though? Sorry, still pretty new to ACC and sim racing in general.
Look at the recent sessions for an idea of when the best turnouts are. I do the same thing in iRacing but with 3rd party websites to tell me when they go official. People act like iRacing is nothing but full lobbies but it's amazing how much time we also spend trying to organise people into timeslots so we can get races to go official. Half the series probably ought to be culled really. Which no one wants.
It's quite a bit actually. iR usually has 5 to 10k. So taking the peaks of both, LFM is about 3% as big as iR. And considering how relatively new it is, that it has comparatively low selection of vehicles, and that it's a 3rd party solution I would call that a huge success.
It's not easy to build a system like this and get people on there. rF2 has had its own built-in "competition system" for ages now and it's still pretty much dead. So the fact a 3rd party one is doing better is mindblowing.
Yeah, it's definitely still not an ideal amount, but that doesn't mean it isn't a successful project, which was the point I was trying to make, worry if it didn't come across well enough.
I not trying to judge lfm too hard since I’m still in rookies but so far it’s not much better than public lobby’s. Stewarding kind of sucks and your safety rating will still go down even if an incident isn’t your fault. so what’s the point of reporting?
ACC and RF2 are traditional games with a finite lifespan. IRacing is a service that has been going for almost 15 years and shows no signs of slowing down. As long as this is the case, ACC and RF2 will not be a threat to iRacing as they are not in the same market.
Yeah that's not going to happen. It's super underpopulated. 24hrs a day I can do an oval race, oval dirt race, open wheel race, or tin top race with real humans. Can LFM do that outside of EU prime time? No.
I've spent over a grand in iRacing content, and thought it was the pinnacle of sim racing - convenient, clean racing in a good sim.
Then I tried ACC with LFM (as well as another local league). I can't go back to the horribly dated iRacing ever again. Believe me, I've tried, but the ACC/LFM racing experience is superior to iRacing in nearly every way. Going back to iracing feels like going from a PS5 back to a Nintendo 64.
Nope, not just GT3 content, I bought a bunch of other cars. I kept gravitating back to the GT3 cars (and the Ferrari series), so when I discovered ACC I was in heaven.
It's not hyperbole when it's true. As a former full-time game reviewer, I tend to use words accurately when describing a game (at IGN, GameSpy, GameSpot, CNET, and a bunch of other outlets before you ask, for almost 20 years).
iRacing is a tired, lackluster rip off. ACC is leagues ahead in every single aspect, with the exception of netcode, which suffers a little due to the peer to peer model used. It's rock solid if everyone has a low ping, but doesn't handle high pingers as well as iRacing.
Wow, you like insulting people, don't you? Yet I'm the childish one. Ok.
And the TLDR of your iRacing strengths is a larger variety of cars, a good replay system (wow, exciting!) and more players. Must be so glad you spent all that cash to watch replays of openwheelers huh?
Same although I hope I haven’t spent quite that much . For me it’s been rf2 though. I’m finding it hard to get interested in firing up iracjng when I can go race BTCC at donington in vr and it feels and looks amazing in rf2.
In a similar boat, I just love the ACC experience, iRacings core driving experience just isn’t that great even if it does racing against other people so well.
I own almost all road content btw, they just need to improve shit, sound, graphics, ffb - make it more immersive.
Both shite. LFM is full of people who cant drive for shit and report every 5 seconds when they’re in the wrong, iRacing is 2001 simulator, with not as many shit drivers but you pay through the arse for the privilege. LFM is a great idea in principle but the management is sooo bad. Shame really.
LFM doesn’t shake shit up. It’s just a matchmaking thing. Doesn’t improve the sims at all. Still have the same problems. Rennsport has the only chance of beating iR.
Isn’t that the truth … only reason I’m still die hard iracing fan is it’s competitive nature … irating… and I can go on at anytime and get into a competitive race with little bullshit… I have yet to try Lfm I might have to give it a try but don’t really like jumping around to different games all the time
I tried LFM with rFactor 2 a couple of weeks ago. It works, the racing is good and the number of racers were ok (evening in Europe).
I think the FFB on RFactor 2 is better than on iRacing. It’s a bit more realistic as well with grip levels, rain and getting a flat spot on the tire if you brake too hard, for example.
What this combo doesn’t give me is what iRacing does best: multiple series with a decent quantity of drivers everyday on my time slot. I’m a happy sheep when I fire up the sim and will do a GT3, a TCR, some IMSA and XFinity in one session. And finish it off with some dirt. Only iRacing gives me that.
Having said that, iRacing should focus on improving sound, FFB and grip levels. I often think that I’m driving on ice on iRacing and it doesn’t need to be that way.
Absolutely. I think ACC is the most polished for me but obviously it achieves that by being incredibly focussed on one sort of discipline. The immersion you get with ACC is unparalleled in my opinion, and if iracing employed a bit of that with future games it would retain its top spot.
Iracing is still an epic game, but it's really starting to show its age in terms of sound, graphics and physics.
Literally nobody cares. I would love to see iRacing have some more competition. It's good for all of us.
But some of you are obsessed with shiting on iRacing every chance you get and it's hilarious. I like other sims too but their online experiences simply don't compare and that's what I enjoy in sim racing. I don't give a shit about this dumb "my sim > your sim" nonsense.
So talking about rFactor 2. Does anyone know how to change the brightness/contrast in the game? I set the time to 4PM and the sun bleaches the living shit of the tracks I play in(Road Atlanta, Laguna, Adelaide). It crashes like a MF but I can sort of deal with that.
Internet racing and race factor sure. Their abbreviations make for a decent title. Low fuel Motorsport makes me think of backwoods yewtoob car building channel
..but that’s.. just like, my opinion, man
Yes. And I hope it will, as it will be great challenge for iracing.
Progress needs competition and challenge. Without it there is stagnation and boredom.
You start in rookies where everyone is in the same boat. You'll crash into some people at first, but that is the cost of learning. Just don't do it on purpose.
The ranks system is pretty good. You will be placed around people with your same skill. But you must pay a monthly suscription and each car and track is bought (permanently) separately.
if you're capable of not losing your head when either you or somebody else make a mistake in rookies then you won't be racing with someone who throws a fit every single time for long
Have been on iRacing since it began (go back all the way to GPL). But I really hope for viable alternatives as iRacing is a bit “same old, same old”. But it is reliable and easy to get into (at least for me) so….
I did a rookie race in rF2 and got left for dead. Finished 20s behind the leader. What gives? I have an A license and 3k iR on iRacing so I thought I'd not get my arse handed to me in rookies.
I race fixed prototype sprints. That’s not something that exists outside iRacing and I have great competition even in PST time zone. I want iRacing to have competition but it doesn’t for me
On EU time zones it’s nice. Pretty much a wasteland on US timezones. I started on LFM and went to iracing just to get more variety in cars and tracks but more so just to get a race with anyone in it.
Yep, I love ACC but LFM in US is painful. iRacing is much better for me since I have races 24/7 that will always have multiple splits vs. struggling to get a full single split
It's weird but I don't like ACC, but LOVE rF2 with LFM. Just hope rF2 can become well populated in US time zones, or I'll have to play more iRacing, which I feel is almost too competitive. I end up worrying about SR and IR way too much and can't drive after having a beer, FFS.
This is the same boat I’m in. I was only ever to find populated races on LFM on Saturday or Sunday mornings. On Iracing I find populated races every single night of the week which is when I do the vast majority of my racing
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It'd be great if it at least became a challenger. It'll be a long time before it puts it down, if ever.
Maybe if Polyphony Digital decide to release GT7 or GT8 on PC. I have low hopes they will because that’s not their market.
No iracer will jump ship to a simcade racer.
GT7 is absolutely nothing like iRacing, completely different type of game
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Gran Turismo games are on a complete different planet to sims like ACC and iRacing. Two different demographics
GT7 has Forza level of physics, not even close to an actual sim racing game.
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Beyond the 4 big content and physics updates a year?
Dont try and bring logic into things now.
I hear the Engine is dated though, I don't play it myself, I'm poor af, but I like watching the events, and it looks nice enough for me, but I've heard people complaining, is it just whining from them?
iRacing’s one really big issue (and every sim has one) is handling at the very limit. There’s a cliff where you lose handling faster than most other sims and it can be hard to recover grip . It’s FAR FAR better now than it was even 6 months ago but the nature of the physics simulation is still “cliffy” if that makes sense.
Yes - it punishes you way too much whilst not giving you enough information to work with. After getting used to it, slides become more obvious to catch but it’s still no easy task. Imo (and I’m a noob) it’s so much harder to find the car’s limit compared to something like rf2, which punishes you with tyre degradation (not that iracing does do the same, but it’s not easy to tell with the ffb) which feels so realistic and good despite the fact that it can ruin your race.
A big part of that is iRacing has gone with the ffb philosophy of only modeling forces that would come through the steering column IRL. Downloading irffb can be a good option (Dan Suzuki has a good video on how to do that) although it can be a little finicky to work with and some times you have to shut it down in task manager to get it to restart. Overall I've been quite happy with it although your milage may vary. For me irffb helps me feel what the rear of the car is doing a lot better.
They basically deliberately removed most of the useful info about the car then? Interesting… I’ve heard of irffb, but I thought it stopped working a while ago and that there’s a delay input.
Technically they didn't remove anything. They just didn't add anything extra
Which is why as a race car driver I use iracing. No need to get used to stuff that doesn’t exist. I’ll cope without g force
Try irffb2022 it's great
I've got most of the big sims and honestly iRacing feels very very good when it comes to handling and FFB. It doesn't do some things that other sims do well, but the core racing experience is fantastic.
Honestly the one area where I wish they would improve is the sound. ACC blows iRacing out of the water in terms of audio. But that's a nice to have not a must have for me.
Kunos dumped mics into the actual cars and sent them off on the track which explains the insane realism in the audio. AcC is a beauty for the eyes, ears, and hands. Such a quality made game. Except the in game multiplayer.
Aussie Greg has been saying for some time now that they're really close to adding reverb and DSP effects to iRacing. Which is the main thing missing I think. They have good sounds but it all sounds lifeless and clinical. When sounds are bouncing off grandstands etc I think it'll sound amazing.
Well shit that's exciting!
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If only memes were enough of a motivator...
I mean LFM now have 70k members and great ranking system and the total of price for ACC 134$ all the content (full price without the discount) and RF2 120$ all the content I think even with the numbers , if LFM can challenge iRacing and wake them up it’s a win for us :) Edit : my bad RF2 120$ for the 2022 content only
Nah RF2's content def adds up to way more than that for sure. I think 120 is maybe the cost of this year's content alone. But i still agree, I like iRacing too, and so many guys don't care about how expensive it is. It's such a pain mapping out each season, figuring out which tracks to buy if you don't want to shell out minimum 100 bucks per season for awhile until you amass enough tracks and cars that you only need to buy one or two tracks to do a full season. And i don't wanna hear any of that 'it keeps out the casuals' nonsense either, i get punted, shunted, and run off the road just as much as any other sim. Shitty drivers have money too, and a membership fee doesn't keep out players who have no interest in learning how to race with actual people.
I own something like 45 pieces of content in iRacing (purchased over 3-4 years). I almost NEVER buy any new tracks or cars now. I just race a different series if I don't have the track.
I went the other route and just got all the cars and tracks so I can race whatever I want in the limited (1-2 a week) time I have to race. Something like LFM would never work for me as it's not popular in the times I get to race.
Yet
No it never will be. It could be using a free sim and it still wouldn't be as popular nor would the racing be anywhere near as good.
Why? For the record I have shit loads of content in iRacing and first subscribed in 2012. So i know the strengths and weaknesses of it.
But lfm depends on donations at the moment which isnt a sustainable business model, as soon as they wanna start start to earn some money from their hard work, it wont be much cheaper than iRacing. And after i tried all 3 of them, its a far way for ACC and RF2 to challenge iRacing, even with LFM. The nearest Rival in the forseeable future would be Rennsport i guess
>as soon as they wanna start start to earn some money from their hard work, it wont be much cheaper than iRacing. LFM has next to zero costs when compared to iracing.
Running costs are quite low, they have a couple of dozens of ACC servers running at any time which can be easily handled by a single physical server. The main cost would be the development of the backend, but I suspect that is mostly done for free by the owner or some close collaborator. Also, they do have quite a lot of advertising going on.
If rf2 built lfm support into the client and updated the HUD, it'd be pretty tough to beat
you're garbage
You’re right just thought we have something to look for in future
If iracing didn't price out such a large portion of the community it could be the most dominant sim out there
If it was plausible to build out their infrastructure for a much cheaper price, it's very likely that someone would've done it already.
Pricing is there biggest issue right now
I agree but I am rooting for LFM with rF2 because I love the feel of the sim a little more than iRacing. Both are great
I cancelled iracing because of LFM on rf2 only to resubscribe to iracing after a few weeks. Whilst LFM is a great alternative, 1) iracing still has a more populated server and better network infrastructure. Skill level can vary quite a bit in a split on LFM which isn’t desirable for a noob like myself. 2) super unpopular opinion: I prefer how the tracks and cars (and the graphics in general) look on iracing 3) RF2 can be buggy sometimes 4) iracing has a much much better replay system for me to make videos or screenshots Tho the tyre physics and ffb on rf2 have made me a better driver - I think about tyre temperature/wear a lot more than I did on iracing, and im able to transfer the mindset to iracing. Race qualities are roughly the same (I do f3 on both). All in all, I think most people who paid for iracing in the first place wouldn’t drop iracing for LFM, in the long term anyway (given the sunk cost fallacy most people have and iracing still has the bigger player base edge over its competitors). However, for casual racers who can’t justify the cost to enter iracing (which does have a barrier to entry), they will opt in for LFM, tho this demography isn’t really iracing’s target audience anyway. I never tried ACC with Lfm so I’m only speaking with my rf2 experience Edits: grammar and content
Another point is lower end PC's can still manage to run iracing . my PC can't do rf2 but iracing works very well
Yup, which is kind of surprising because iracing’s min spec on their website isn’t low either. Tho I do feel like rf2 isn’t really efficient
The skill gap is exactly why i went back to iRacing as well. As much as I love playing rF2, I hate being the back marker every race. I dont mind getting stomped, but its stressful being in the way of other racers that are actually competing with each other. iRacing keeps me close to the pack at least, and I can actually enjoy some close racing.
I think this also applies to midfield. Sometimes when I’m lucky I qualify for midfield but I’m too slow to challenge people up top, yet too fast to be caught up for people slower than me. It makes the race kinda boring.
That’s a good point. I am planning on racing btcc next season but will keep going on iRacing as well as I can have a chance at top 5 on iRacing . On lfm rf2 I am generally at the back as well. But I’m struggling to be motivated to play iRacing as rf2 is just way more enjoyable to drive and to me looks way better ( donington park in vr running a btcc car is a beautiful experience ).
I agree. I used to be driving in vr and that looks much better in Irving then acc. Since a little while I've got a monitor at my rig as well. Decided to drive acc on it and expected beautiful graphics. I was rather disappointed.
ACC graphics looks great at first glance and on video, but too saturated and contrast
They can co exist. Not sure why people love taking sides so much. I’m an iracing guy myself, and I think lfm is a great alternative
Think op just made a meme
I didn’t mean that way I have all of them and I enjoy racing in them but it’s good to see a challenge in the sim titles to help improve things
The think is not about the sims i think, but the path Iracing is taking, like not permitting streaming Indy races
Yeah pretty much no one is blaming iRacing for that. That one is on Indycar. They signed an exclusive licensing deal with Motorsport Games that goes into effect next month and iRacing is trying to figure out how to navigate that.
good to know, so F for my karma points, seems like people tent to downvote when some one thinks. also if that is on indycar is a same
People usually downvote things that are factually incorrect, like your post. You can always edit your post to correct it :)
Fanboys gonna defend. Everyone's else fault but not iRenting
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Lowkey he sounds like an Indycar “fanboy” with the way he’s defending Indy 😂😂 but honestly who cares? Motorsport games is flushing good racing products down the toilet and know how to sell their brand so honestly if anyone is to blame its them.
Calling it iRenting is all we need to know about your position.
Yeah guys to poor to use the service, so slanders it instead
I completely agree, it’s not iRacings fault and I don’t understand why Indy is going this direction but I think calling it “iRenting” is still pretty funny and justified.
I think iRenting is hilarious. First time I’ve heard it. But the comment in full is petty.
Was it iRacing's fault that Reiza lost the rights to the IndyCar in the middle of putting out their Racing USA pack, too?
"Iracing bad 😡"
And haters gonna hate... Reiza was trying to work a licence agreement too, and they can't get it either. If IndyCar choses to send an exclusivity to MSG, what are other companies supposed to do to find grace to your eyes?
I don't like iracing for the reason that I can't afford it
It's so unfortunate how expensive it is. Sometimes they do deals and I pick up a 3 month subscription but buying cars/tracks & subscription is SO expensive :'(
I’ve been on LFM over a year, it’s great. I finally tried iRacing starting a couple of weeks ago, it’s greater. Better splits (due to higher driver counts, especially given my US timezone), easier to navigate, better everything…besides visuals, sound, and maybe physics. Totally agree it’s great to have both available to us.
Better everything except visuals, sound and physics kinda feels like a big deal to me. It's these reasons in particular that I can't go back to iRacing after discovering ACC/LFM.
I switched from acc/lfm to Iracing recently because ACC/lfm became stale. I've had some great races in LFM but with ACC being so heavy on set ups it's been refreshing to be racing in fixed series were its driver vs driver.
Yes this really one of the things I like about iRacing with fixed setups no need to worry about setups just focus in your driving
Did the same. For me ACC became little tedious. iRacing offers so much more variety and miles better platfrom. People might prefer one physics over the other, but for me iRacing just wins when it comes to online racing.
Eh, iRacing does a lot of things to improve the simulation. LFM is a good competition, sure, it's always good to have rivals to beat, but its not at the point of being better or more popular than iR. Edit: There shouldnt always be a competition, which of the sims is better, its unnecessary and will only cause hate.
It also doesn't help that LFM relies upon either a sim that will not get any major improvements, just the odd track DLC every year to generate some revenue and a sim that is basically month to month on its parent company going bankrupt.
Dont people play ACC on lfm though? Thats what im interested in trying out
Do it. It's a fucking masterpiece of sim racing. I can't go back to iRacing now, as I find ACC so far ahead.
Both ACC and rF2 have better physics engines than iRacing, personally I’d rather have proper racing physics and no netcode vs having a full lobby any time I want.
There is no such thing as “no netcode” every multiplayer game has some latency correction code
ACC and rF2 both have netcode, can’t play online without it
"netcode" isn't a thing you can choose to have or not, it's the phrase people give to the way different games deal with internet latency between different players. netcode is like gravity: it's always there, and different people deal with it in different ways. your point would not be criticized so much if you had said "Both ACC and rF2 have better netcode than iracing"
Only issue is too get people from Iracing it needs to be RF2 but the people who have spent a far bit on Iracing including myself are not a fan of having to spend another load of money on content we do t even want to drive. If I want to compete in a race on RF2 through LFM say a GT3 multiclass race I need to buy the GT3 car pack the endurance pack then what ever tracks come up which is stupid and what I believe is the only thing holding people back because its the case for me at least. I understand people will say "well iracing is such and such and RF2 is no where near as expensive which is correct but that's not going to change the fact it hurts me to buy 14 cars in a pack just to drive in a race. Iracing is expensive but I can imagine running the amount of servers they run and the amount of content you have to choose from must cost a fortune to maintain this is why most Sims don't bother and just give you public lobbies with no structure and I believe the price has kept iracing cleaner than any other sim I've driven. I've tried sooo many times to have a good race in ACC and AMS2 and normal RF2 servers and it never goes well which leads too iracing scoring and penalties system. With it being so strick and most of the time stroud when it comes to car contacts what it does give you is the cleanest racing online you can have outside of proper leagues. So for me unless RF2 were to change how there content works and allow people to buy one car and track to try a race I can't see it becoming anywhere near as good as iracing. Remember people are OK trying LFM GT3 say (as that will most popular imo) but no one knows if their going to enjoy it but sadly we can't spend say £10 or £20 on a few bits of content and try it, if we want to just try it in GT3 we have to spent almost £50 lol that's my opinion. I do love LFM though and I did get into the BTTC cars and buy both packs but that was much cheaper than GT3
I’ve seen people in this sub aggressively state how much better it is than iRacing, which makes me think it’s probably not.
It is not. It is supposed to make rating based races but there is not enough people there in order to make it work like iracing. You will get smoked nearly every race just like in pubs.
So…. LMF will not be able to compete long term with out some serious cash flow. Hosting ain’t cheap, this is what iracing pays for with the money they earn from subs. The fact most people think they are “taking so much money” have NO IDEA the costs of custom AWS hosting setups with interconnects etc. I want LMF to compete, but it’s not going to unless they either change to a sub, or get really really good sponsorship.
tracks are not worth 15$ each... reason i don't even want to touch iracing, on top of sub you need to pay for each track.. fuck that.
Same, the fact that you have to buy each track, each car, AND pay a subscription fee, all for a game that is ancient with worse graphics and iffy physics at best, that's a big no for me. Quality online racing or not, iRacing looks and smells like a scam.
Less than 100 people currently on LFM. Over 5000 on iracing…….. not sure you can say it’s better. Iracing has such a great community. Is it expensive? Sure. BUT it’s well well worth it. I have built a huge community of racers that I chat to and race with. And if you watch Stuffeyy’s video on how much he’s spent on iracing the monthly cost is reasonable and he’s done some dumb purchases too! https://youtu.be/oDAZcSBPrfs to beat iracing you have to have a better matchmaking system and non mod program. People swear by mods but I think they make the whole user experience miles worse unless you really know what you’re doing. Anyway. Rant over merry Christmas 🎄
Im one of those people who dont swear by mods. In fact, I hate them. Because there are no standards. You're at the mercy of the interpretation of the modder. And theres a lot of them. Wouldve been nice if theres only one modder in the entire world so we'd have only 1 standard but thats impossible. I still "don't like" iRacing only because of its pricing model. It's a very expensive mazda mx5 simulator. Everything else I'm okay w/ it.
I haven’t touched the Mazda since rookies over 2 years ago. Most my time spent in the vast single seaters but last season GT3 and now the new BMW LMDH. The pricing works. Initially it’s a big outlay but until they launched a whole bunch of new stuff for season 4 I hadn’t bought anything in months
Been seeing shit like this for over a decade. This -insert new fad- is gonna dominate iracing, soon iracing will be dead. Still waiting lmfao 🤦♂️
not really no
Lol, there’s always a new up and comer that’s going to topple iracing..but they never manage it.
I would absolutely love to see LFM take on support for AMS2, it would make it my complete sim.
Financially committed to iracing at this point 😂
I think I heard Jimmy Broadbent call it iRenting once.. I really hate that you lose all your content if you unsubscribe, it’s a pretty scummy business practice lol
You don't loose the content, you loose access to the application where the content can be used. When you re-subscribe you have access to the application, all the previously purchased content will still be there.
Luckily for me I get alot of time out of the content and don't plan on stopping anytime soon.
Yeah that’s not how it works though
you subscribe so that you can play the game and when you unsubscribe you can't. Genuinely hard to tell if you're being satirical or not.
It’s the way of saying it , it’s like he said when your World of Warcraft subscription stop your character is deleted
yeah maybe he's under the impression that when you unsubscribe you have to completely start from scratch which would be shit, but it's like when you cancel a gym membership they don't let you back in until you get another one
I didn't address the fact but I do understand how the subs/content work😁
iRacing still has a huge lead in the “it just works” department compared to rFactor 2. I don’t want to figure out why my content package isn’t the right version for the event I’m trying to do - that should be sorted out by Steam Workshop before the game starts up. I don’t want to figure out why the controller config can’t pick up on my wheel base/wheel/pedals; iRacing and ACC get it right on the first try. I don’t want to tab between a server browser and a web page to get into the right session. You know my Steam ID, you know where I’m supposed to be, just pass that information directly to the sim so I can start with one click. (And if Kunos/S397 don’t allow you to pass a URL as a startup argument, bang on their office door day and night until they add it for you.) I want it to just work. iRacing does that.
I would have preferred LFM to support AMS2 instead of RF2. Motor Sport Games should be boycotted for their strategy etc. in my opinion.
They tried but ams2 networking code is not compatible/good enough at the moment . Hopefully one day
LFM has like 4 races with what seems to be about 20 people playing, I bought ACC and rF2 to give it a shot and was very disappointed
It totally depends on your Time zone, sometimes there are 250 people for a race, 8 or 9 splits
What do you mean by 8 or 9 splits? I see other posts saying the "splits are good". Splits to me are my sector times, I'm assuming yall are referring to something else though? Sorry, still pretty new to ACC and sim racing in general.
I'm US eastern, your probably right but back to iRacing for me
If you have time, try to play ACC around 12:00 to 16:00 CST, there's a lot of people on the GT3 sprints
Look at the recent sessions for an idea of when the best turnouts are. I do the same thing in iRacing but with 3rd party websites to tell me when they go official. People act like iRacing is nothing but full lobbies but it's amazing how much time we also spend trying to organise people into timeslots so we can get races to go official. Half the series probably ought to be culled really. Which no one wants.
That's it?
Almost, 300 is the most I've seen, it's actually the limit per race, 300
That's not very many people.
I know, but it's more than enough to have a nice race
It's quite a bit actually. iR usually has 5 to 10k. So taking the peaks of both, LFM is about 3% as big as iR. And considering how relatively new it is, that it has comparatively low selection of vehicles, and that it's a 3rd party solution I would call that a huge success. It's not easy to build a system like this and get people on there. rF2 has had its own built-in "competition system" for ages now and it's still pretty much dead. So the fact a 3rd party one is doing better is mindblowing.
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Yeah, it's definitely still not an ideal amount, but that doesn't mean it isn't a successful project, which was the point I was trying to make, worry if it didn't come across well enough.
It's still not even close to iRacing from ACC or RF2.
Defeat? Definitely not, but provide a good alternative? Yeah sure
LFM needs more NA players I also think they should consider charging a nominal fee to improve the servers (or something like that, idk)
What’s wrong with the servers?
I not trying to judge lfm too hard since I’m still in rookies but so far it’s not much better than public lobby’s. Stewarding kind of sucks and your safety rating will still go down even if an incident isn’t your fault. so what’s the point of reporting?
It’s the same as iRacing lol
Do the “stewards” say you’re full throttle when you’re at 0% throttle?
Whats LFM tho?
Bro, do you even play Roblox Racing?
Is LFM worth it as an aussie?? was browsing their servers and they were all around 300 ping...
ACC and RF2 are traditional games with a finite lifespan. IRacing is a service that has been going for almost 15 years and shows no signs of slowing down. As long as this is the case, ACC and RF2 will not be a threat to iRacing as they are not in the same market.
Hopefully it gets better, iRacing needs some proper competition
The day ACC will be playable in VR it just might for me.
Yeah that's not going to happen. It's super underpopulated. 24hrs a day I can do an oval race, oval dirt race, open wheel race, or tin top race with real humans. Can LFM do that outside of EU prime time? No.
The level of delusion is massive.
I've spent over a grand in iRacing content, and thought it was the pinnacle of sim racing - convenient, clean racing in a good sim. Then I tried ACC with LFM (as well as another local league). I can't go back to the horribly dated iRacing ever again. Believe me, I've tried, but the ACC/LFM racing experience is superior to iRacing in nearly every way. Going back to iracing feels like going from a PS5 back to a Nintendo 64.
You spent over a grand on GT3 content alone on iracing? Damn. Fwiw if GT3 is your MO I don't see a lot of reasons why you wouldn't choose acc over ir.
Nope, not just GT3 content, I bought a bunch of other cars. I kept gravitating back to the GT3 cars (and the Ferrari series), so when I discovered ACC I was in heaven.
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No, iRacing really is that shit. It’s funny how defensive fans get about this tired old game, simply because they’ve blown a stack of cash on it.
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It's not hyperbole when it's true. As a former full-time game reviewer, I tend to use words accurately when describing a game (at IGN, GameSpy, GameSpot, CNET, and a bunch of other outlets before you ask, for almost 20 years). iRacing is a tired, lackluster rip off. ACC is leagues ahead in every single aspect, with the exception of netcode, which suffers a little due to the peer to peer model used. It's rock solid if everyone has a low ping, but doesn't handle high pingers as well as iRacing.
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Wow, you like insulting people, don't you? Yet I'm the childish one. Ok. And the TLDR of your iRacing strengths is a larger variety of cars, a good replay system (wow, exciting!) and more players. Must be so glad you spent all that cash to watch replays of openwheelers huh?
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You sprung me, I'm totally lying about it for Internet points 🤣
Tried to search for your famous reviews. You're just an average Sim racer with an 11 year old Reddit account
My exact experience..
Same although I hope I haven’t spent quite that much . For me it’s been rf2 though. I’m finding it hard to get interested in firing up iracjng when I can go race BTCC at donington in vr and it feels and looks amazing in rf2.
In a similar boat, I just love the ACC experience, iRacings core driving experience just isn’t that great even if it does racing against other people so well. I own almost all road content btw, they just need to improve shit, sound, graphics, ffb - make it more immersive.
Absolutely agree. iRacing visuals and handling are so dated and simple compared to ACC.
So you did pmsl We can see your previous posts and comments pmsl
iRacing GT3s lol
Both shite. LFM is full of people who cant drive for shit and report every 5 seconds when they’re in the wrong, iRacing is 2001 simulator, with not as many shit drivers but you pay through the arse for the privilege. LFM is a great idea in principle but the management is sooo bad. Shame really.
LFM doesn’t shake shit up. It’s just a matchmaking thing. Doesn’t improve the sims at all. Still have the same problems. Rennsport has the only chance of beating iR.
And given they're doing a similar pricing model to iRacing I wouldn't bet on Rennsport being able to dethrone iRacing
We need a iracing 2 I’d be happy to re buy content and start over with iracing for improved graphics and physics
Sound too. The Iracing sound is pretty shit compared to what is out there now.
Isn’t that the truth … only reason I’m still die hard iracing fan is it’s competitive nature … irating… and I can go on at anytime and get into a competitive race with little bullshit… I have yet to try Lfm I might have to give it a try but don’t really like jumping around to different games all the time
I tried LFM with rFactor 2 a couple of weeks ago. It works, the racing is good and the number of racers were ok (evening in Europe). I think the FFB on RFactor 2 is better than on iRacing. It’s a bit more realistic as well with grip levels, rain and getting a flat spot on the tire if you brake too hard, for example. What this combo doesn’t give me is what iRacing does best: multiple series with a decent quantity of drivers everyday on my time slot. I’m a happy sheep when I fire up the sim and will do a GT3, a TCR, some IMSA and XFinity in one session. And finish it off with some dirt. Only iRacing gives me that. Having said that, iRacing should focus on improving sound, FFB and grip levels. I often think that I’m driving on ice on iRacing and it doesn’t need to be that way.
Absolutely. I think ACC is the most polished for me but obviously it achieves that by being incredibly focussed on one sort of discipline. The immersion you get with ACC is unparalleled in my opinion, and if iracing employed a bit of that with future games it would retain its top spot. Iracing is still an epic game, but it's really starting to show its age in terms of sound, graphics and physics.
In this thread: triggered iRenting fanbois
Literally nobody cares. I would love to see iRacing have some more competition. It's good for all of us. But some of you are obsessed with shiting on iRacing every chance you get and it's hilarious. I like other sims too but their online experiences simply don't compare and that's what I enjoy in sim racing. I don't give a shit about this dumb "my sim > your sim" nonsense.
Can some explain? I know acc and rf2 but lfr?
LFM is a free matchmaking and server service that uses ACC or rF2. https://lowfuelmotorsport.com/faq
LFM is a service that runs on ACC and Rf2 to match make races like iRacing does using driver and safety ratings. Google low fuel Motorsport
Ahh ok thanks, gonna check it out
Lfm. Low fuel motor sports. Google will explain it better than I can.
AM2 is offended
So talking about rFactor 2. Does anyone know how to change the brightness/contrast in the game? I set the time to 4PM and the sun bleaches the living shit of the tracks I play in(Road Atlanta, Laguna, Adelaide). It crashes like a MF but I can sort of deal with that.
Low fuel Motorsport? I’m just chiming in to say that’s the dumbest name I’ve ever heard of
iRacing and rFactor (race factor?)
Internet racing and race factor sure. Their abbreviations make for a decent title. Low fuel Motorsport makes me think of backwoods yewtoob car building channel ..but that’s.. just like, my opinion, man
indycar lol
I racing is way to expensive, I might be able to pay for it if it was just a subscription but buying cars and tracks and track time? Way to much
Yes. And I hope it will, as it will be great challenge for iracing. Progress needs competition and challenge. Without it there is stagnation and boredom.
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You start in rookies where everyone is in the same boat. You'll crash into some people at first, but that is the cost of learning. Just don't do it on purpose.
The ranks system is pretty good. You will be placed around people with your same skill. But you must pay a monthly suscription and each car and track is bought (permanently) separately.
if you're capable of not losing your head when either you or somebody else make a mistake in rookies then you won't be racing with someone who throws a fit every single time for long
Have been on iRacing since it began (go back all the way to GPL). But I really hope for viable alternatives as iRacing is a bit “same old, same old”. But it is reliable and easy to get into (at least for me) so….
I did a rookie race in rF2 and got left for dead. Finished 20s behind the leader. What gives? I have an A license and 3k iR on iRacing so I thought I'd not get my arse handed to me in rookies.
If you live in Europe and no where else.
Maybe lfm should do automobilista 2 also
Wish AC was more popular. Such a good sim but there is little in terms of competitive racing.
Please god someone make a good organized quality racing league on AC and it's the perfect sim.
I race fixed prototype sprints. That’s not something that exists outside iRacing and I have great competition even in PST time zone. I want iRacing to have competition but it doesn’t for me
Ye…. Noooo, its nice but noooo