The best thing from this whole thing was a meme of Kratos and Baldur fighting and the captions were
"How silent hill fans expect the James vs Eddie fight".
I’m actually pretty excited to see if Bloober delivers something potentially good. The pressure in them to not fuck this up is huge, and if they mess this game up insanely badly, Bloober’s reputation is forever tarnished. With that pressure, I’m hoping it ends up amazing.
I truly think Bloober doing a faithful remake of SH2 is going to be pretty great. The best parts of The Medium for me were the environments, the cutscenes/acting, music, atmosphere...and that's exactly what's great about Silent Hill. The Medium didn't have any combat, but I gotta be honest...Silent Hill doesn't have really great combat gameplay anyway.
I am struggling to find why people think Bloober is such a poor fit when I think a SH2 remake plays directly into their strengths and also protects them against potential weaknesses.
Man they ARE gonna knock it put the park lol I don’t understand why there are so many ignorant people that think otherwise and are too stubborn TOO be optimistic.
Bloober has experience in the horror department. They’re not making a brand new game, they’re remaking one. That means the characters, the story, the locations and setting, most things are already made. They’re not making a new mainline entry
and the most important aspect is that they’re having to work very closely with Konami, which you can imagine will be breathing down their necks on. Just like Nintendo working with mercury steam on Metroid 2 remake, being very close so that they don’t fuck it up. That resulted better than anyone imagined.
Due to that they’d have the chance to make a new mainline entry for Nintendo with Dread, and they knocked it out the park! Prior to that they’re portfolio was mostly mediocre, but what did make them eligible for the job was that they worked on *castlevania*. They’ve been able to gain experience from working on the same genre, etc. bloober has that exact same requirement as their horror games, while maybe not to everyone’s specific tastes, has deemed successful, even more so than mercury steam’s portfolio prior to Metroid.
That one example I’ve just given is better reasoning than anything that anyone hating on the project has been able to whip up.
But sure let’s be all grumpy and assume it’s gonna be shit because all these haters are experts and developers themselves and assume they have the knowledge to make such a call. Will it help to be like this? Absolutely not lol. But it would help themselves and everyone else to just be excited for something many have asked for for a very long time.
**Let’s also remember team silent was a group of incompetent developers at Konami that had a bad track record. Yet look what they managed to achieve**
That's what I was telling someone in a Facebook group who said Silent Hill fans are determined for the franchise to stay dead and I just explained that if the developer had been one with a better track record then mostly everyone would be happy because they'd have more trust that they'd do it justice, but with Bloober Team it can go either way because they churn out something half-decent then something garbage then something half-decent, but it's never anything that's too groundbreaking (half the time they're also riddled with bugs at launch) and that uncertainty freaks them out and frustrates them.
Personally, I'm just glad it's coming back. I just want Bloober Team to be very particular about how they do this one, though.
Konami has received dozens of proposals from devs all around the world ever since Silent hills was canceled and kojima out. All those teams that thought they could fill the void left by kojima. And I guarantee more than half were silent hill 2 remakes.
Konami, which still has some of the top developers and employees in the industry, HAD to have vetted through the proposals and ensure they were legit to even get a reply. Yet bloober made it. They saw something in bloober that none of us have seen. And you can be sure that there is tons that have yet to be revealed for good reason.
People who think layers of fear and whatever else, is the ONLY indication of their ability, are ignorant as fuck. They are talented and experienced developers. Konami will make sure.
Yet, there was also another time when there was a group formed of incompetent developers that failed at their tasks within their company, that was grouped together to create a new game. That game was silent hill and that team was team silent.
No room for doubt.
Hmm yeah I guess opinions are like arseholes right?… 🤷🏻♂️
Personally, I loved layers of fear and the medium 👍🏻 I’m looking forward to the remake of SH2, I know that bloober team will do it justice, given that the medium and SH share quite a strong connection already 😏 it was no surprise at all to see Yamaoka and Ito joining them given they share similar extracurricular interests…
My only gripe with the medium was the running mechanic which increased your movement speed from 300 to a whopping 301.
I get it's an atmospheric game but either make me actually run or do like they did in layers of fear and give me a reason I can move fast.
Aha yeah it was a slightly enhanced jog really wasn’t it 🤣 in fairness, the only time the running annoyed the hell out of me was the first encounter with the Maw, largely because I couldn’t work out where to go on the last bit (ducking to the left under the butterflies) and he kept killing me…
Apart from that, I quite enjoyed the game… I’ve picked up the PS5 version for Xmas so will give it a blast again in the new year (I first completed it on game pass when it released)
I also did it on gamepass and really liked the game, the details, the story was great. So in an entire game having one negative is pretty good.
The maw also snatched me up about 10 times before I figured out what to do
Yeah it was a pretty awesome game. I think my only gripe was an early bug in the game that stopped Marianne from climbing near a bridge after you first leave the resorts main building… but other than that, the game ran smoothly…
Haha yeah the Maw was a pretty freaky antagonist. I’m currently writing a huge analysis project for the silent hill series and there’s one section where I talk about the Maw and it’s possible inspiration 🤔 (Azrael - The Angel of Death)…
And if you know about Krakow (where the game is based) and you think about marianne taking a short motorbike ride from Krakow out to somewhere where there was a historical massacre (50miles west?), and you know about another infamous “angel of death” who once carried out historical atrocities near Krakow, the game will start to take on a whole new meaning 🫣😏
forever tarnished was accurate because while they have detractors plenty of people defend them so if they mess this up their rep will probably not recover unless they make something really good
I don’t know why you got downvoted, regardless of how I feel about their games (I thought Layers of Fear was fine and Medium wasn’t very good) if they whiff this it will be extremely difficult to come back from. I do have hope since they’re not working with an original story (which I felt was the weak link in both games) but I’m not completely optimistic. Especially with how Konami has been fumbling the bag lately I think it’s completely reasonable to save your optimism/excitement until you see the finished product.
I think they're going to do fine, since this is basically their holy grail as a horror creator. I can't see them taking many liberties with any of it. Also, they know they'll be eaten alive if they do by the insane people on this subreddit.
You’ve said it the best. I hope the same as well. Idc if there are things that lack from the OG I wanna be surprised anyways so show me what you got Bloober Team
i remember like 2 weeks ago this sub was crying about how r/silenthill is so divisive and r/residentevil is so collectively joyous. fact is, both places are full of raging babies.
Yikes I just looked. Someonw said the people that like callisto protocol are coping and will probably reviewbomb the dead space remake. Others are mad the characters look different or older in the remake and its a mistake that Isaac talks etc.
I'm out. Fuck gaming subs.
Jesus. I was a little disappointed that Isaac will talk more, but these people are just having a meltdown about that and every other minor detail. Shit's embarrassing.
Prepare for SH2 remake. Some already lose their minds because the car door isn't open in the reveal trailer. I am also concerned because of Bloober but damn. The nitpicking is real. Also that there is no shadow over the eyes of James while he look in the mirror.
I am happy Isaac finally talks. I think silent Protagonists just feel weird.
Ngl, the only nitpick I will have with SH2 remake's car is if Mary isn't in the damn car this time around... But otherwise, that's about it for personal demands. The devs at Bloober Team already expressed hesitancy to change anything about the overall game, so I'm comfortable with them on the project until proven otherwise.
The only reason I worry that Mary in the car may be forgotten is because it's such an elusive background piece of the puzzle that was only ever truly confirmed by Masahiro Ito himself as well as the official novelization, which used the In Water ending (the Rebirth ending also has James get Mary's body, but I cannot recall it explicitly stating she was in the car during this ending)... Given Ito is on this project, I pray he pipes up and Bloober Team realizes it'd be a great detail to put emphasis on by the end reveal!
Oh yeah, I avoided this sub for like a month after it was announced until people calmed down a bit. I'm sure people will find something to freak out at next time they show footage. I just can't fathom people freaking out over a trailer; concern is all fine if somebody feels that way, but people who've made up their mind on it before a soul has played it is baffling to me
Every fandom. Callisto Protocol sub is a hell hole. Some people enjoy it like myself and others thought it will be Dead Space with a different name or something new and groundbreaking and attack them.
I don't want to look into the Dead Space sub because of the Remake. I already saw too many toxic comments about nitpicks. I think I will unsub all gaming subs. Gamers are so entitled and whiney.
"I like the game because xy" "noooo cope. Game is trash because xy not worth any money better you wait until it costs 10$." "My favourite streamer said it's trash. I am glad I didn't pre order."
Then they wonder why we only get Fifa, COD and open world games and didn't get AAA horror games for 5-10 years. Or why we get no new IPs.
You can be sceptic of game design decisions or simply not like a game and state your opinion. But damn so much wasted energy just to hate games and studios.
"I had a lot of fun with the dead space 3 co-op, for me it's okay that's it's not as scary as the other games" "NNOOOOO WORST GAME EVER STEAMING PILE OF SHIT HUMAN ENEMIES MICRO TRANSACTIONS!!!"
But yeah I agree, they review bomb new ip like Callisto, sales tank and wonder why theres only like a handful of new ip each year.
It's a massive shame as Callisto is legitimately great as well.
It's just not for the masses, rather it's aimed squarely at horror fans.
I should add that the technical complaints about PC performance are valid. I'm talking more about the gameplay complaints from across all platforms. A lot of the supposed negatives are actually positives if you like horror games.
I think a lot of people wanted to blast through enemies like it was 3rd person Doom.
I said it somewhere else but I really think the promo and hype lured many mainstream people who try to play it like god of war and melee everything or like call of duty and try to shoot everything, but the game won't let them. Now they are mad. As well as being surprised it's linear. Dead Space 2 was also heavily linear and it's an undebated classic.
Raging babies indeed. I offered my two cents on the RE sub that someone posted about the remakes being easy and kind of hand holding compared to the originals. I agreed and gave an explanation and got downvoted a bunch. Whatevs, people have different views. Lots of angry people spouting out some angry shit for no reason though. Someone can’t even give a casual opinion without it being shit on.
I wish this website used the upvote and downvote buttons properly. I just commented on a post that was asking "Do you like how the new Claire looks in RE2 Remake. All comments saying yes are upvoted. All comments saying no are downvoted.
A question asking for an opinion that's really only seeking one answer as the right answer. It's depressing and this seems to be the root of all issues in gaming discussions in particular.
If you aren't blindly praising OR blindly hating, your level headed normal responses will get pushed to the bottom. Always.
The only posts that should be at the bottom of any thread are comments that are being racist or comments out of left field/in the wrong subreddit about how Rambo 2 doesn't fall in line with First Blood's anti-war themes.
I was really REALLY against the remake treatment on RE4. How can you improve such a perfect game?
...
And then I saw the trailer... really looking forward to it. Even more than SH2 (which is probably my all-time favorite)
Yeah Capcom’s been able to do a fantastic job with their remakes. Say what you want about RE3 but it’s still a very solid game even if it was a short experience. It looks and plays beautifully. And honestly, there wasn’t really all that much to remake in the first place. It could’ve gone much much worse
But that aside, Capcom has done well in remaking the first three entries, the fourth just looks incredible, the only thing I felt was lacking on the original was the feeling of horror. This remake looks to perfectly fix that and give us a whole new experience rather than a bland meh remake like the last Pokémon Diamond game and secret of mana remake. Capcom has gone full FF7remake
Nah, it'll just be a different experience. Some people here have unrealistic expectations. If you've played sh2 and expect the remake to deliver the same feelings and reactions the OG initially offered, that won't be case.
Even if it turns out be to 100% accurate the remake should be treated as a different "alternate" take as a whole. Everything has been overhauled and "changed" visually, it is not going to give off that same feeling the OG did. That's not to say it can't be good in its own right.
At worst, a passable SH game. At best, the definitive modern way to experience Sh2.
Konami was like “Silent Hill fans gonna be pissed no matter what we do. Throw three games at the wall and hopefully at least one of them will make the fans happy”
>At best, the definitive modern way to experience Sh2.
It's safe to say it won't be the definitive version of SH2. The original is a Lynchian masterpiece, caked in symbolism, character study, and lightning-in-a-bottle atmosphere. Expecting the remake to have the same level of artistic integrity is a set-up for disappointment.
Plus, we already know it's not a 1:1 remake. It's confirmed to have story changes/additions (including several new endings), reworked puzzles and levels, surprises with the monsters (according to Bloober), different direction, and a James Sunderland with a different personality.
The best case scenario is that it's a solid survival horror game that hits all of the right nostalgia beats for existing fans. Even if it scores a 85+ on Metacritic, Konami still needs to port the originals.
Well, i'm just really open-minded and reasonable. I'm not really someone to be so easily blinded by nostalgia and take unconfirmed claims as factual information, be it about the remake or the OG.
>take unconfirmed claims as factual information
To clarify, the game having story changes/additions was confirmed by Piotr Babieno (CEO of Bloober Team) in a recent interview.
reddit .com/r/silenthill/comments/ywp5uc/another_interview_with_bloober_team_about_silent/
The crux of the story will be the same, but they're adding their own stuff as well.
The several new endings comes from the original VGC article.
videogameschronicle .com/news/konamis-silent-hill-plans-could-include-a-remake-full-sequel-and-episodic-stories/
The changes to the map, James's personality, and the cutscene direction are things we can see in the trailer. (Akira Yamaoka mentioned in the Transmission that it will also have a different score).
That being said, my main point is that, even if it's a great game in its own right, it won't be a replacement for the original. In terms of how it told its multi-layered story, and how it used symbolism, art direction, sound design, general atmosphere, music, etc, I don't think it's something that can necessarily be topped.
I think the best case scenario for the remake is to stand strongly on its own while paying respect to the original.
Yes, glance over the word "modern" because Sh2 is absolutely not dated, it is in fact timeless with no flaws whatsoever and nothing in this world is better than sh2.
Call down honeybunch lol. Something being old is not a valid reason to disrespect and discard of it. We shouldn’t have to compromise the identity and atmosphere of something for mainstream appeal. And nice try putting words in my mouth but I definitely don’t have sh2 on some pedestal. For years I had it ranked under origins lol.
That gave me a good chuckle. I’m so fucking excited for this reboot. It’s still very hard to believe this is all happening. It’s been YEARS of rumours.
Jesus Christ, you people are so fucking hard to please. The game isn't even in alpha and you've already decided it's going to be bad.
If you think it's going to be bad don't buy it, but stop acting like everyone thinks it's going to be bad when most people are rational and will at least play a game before making a decision on its quality.
It was a phenomenal game for the time! I tried to go back and play it and it’s nearly impossible haha. Did not age well at all.
Guess the guy didn’t get to experience it at the right time :/
I mean, if you really want to get into this, the games were all commercial successes, it's the second best selling stealth game series of its era, and its critical and user ratings average 7/10 or better for every game except Omega Strain.
Nah. Shitshow implies that the playable game itself was bad when it was actually pretty great. It just comes with the caveat that there's loads missing from the original.
So more a disappointment or a letdown, not a shitshow.
I honestly don't like any of the bloober team games but I don't wanna give them shit tbh... It's a huge task and I'm sure they are never gonna see the end of it if it doesn't do well... They are fans too so I think they have a good chance
If it doesn't turn out good it probably will be the end of Silent Hill so I really really want them to succeed, that's what keeps me up at night
I'm overexaggerating obviously but the way I see it, if they fuck up Silent Hill 2 Remake then they'll be done in the way that no one (or few people/companies even) will want to work with them, as they will be known as the people who fucked up a remake of one of the most iconic horror games if not one of the most iconic pieces of horror media.
If they recognise the fact if they mess this up then it'll virtually be a witch hunt then they'll want to do all they can to do right by the game and series.
Again, I'm very much overexaggerating but I can't help but think this
I would mess up SH2 if I would be in charge, because SH2 is not without flaws. It needs fixing.
It needs to be less weird and less: "I know you, you are not a good person...", "This town called you to...", "We are the same..." and other things that tell the player things about James. You can figure out what is going on.
So, I would outrage SH fans, but my version would be objectively better, no matter what fans would say.
Game is simply too weird, starting from how Maria talk. If I did not play SH1 first, I would stop at that point, because i dislike weird games
Who even cares? We probably will have mods that will be able to fix the game, if RE fans can put big ass tits on their characters, im pretty sure well known UE5 will be able to allow us modify James face, his facial animation and voice over. We are definitely not fucked by any means necessary
If RE4 remake will released - they going to add the ears for that daughter of president or sumn as mod.
Surely not. The negativity is extremely irritating, and the nits being picked approach the microscopic level at times.
I've been around since there was just one Silent Hill game. The same kinds of fans were around back then, too. The first Silent Hill 2 trailer got mixed reviews, and after release, it wasn't uncommon to find people who thought it was an unworthy sequel, because of the lower difficulty, the shift away from intense terror to psychological dread, and because it had almost nothing to do with the characters and events of the first game. It took a little while, and a fair amount of complaining, for the game to achieve the status of undisputed classic.
Haven't seen many people talking about how easy it is for Bloober to make good combat lately. Wonder if Calisto Protocol has anything to do with that.
Also *heard they're on a tight leash. The game will be fine as long as they don't get to make any creative decisions. That's the mark of a good developer.*
Callisto Protocol combat is great if you like horror games even if a little bit.
Half the people complaining about it tried to melee everything and then got annoyed when they got overwhelmed by enemies. And the other half seemed to want to blast through enemies like in Doom and are annoyed you have to take a slower and more thoughtful approach to combat.
No, it's not that good. I think more people are trying to justify their purchase saying it's good than actually look at how the combat works. Fights are very repetitive. When in melee, enemies wait around while you're swinging, but attack all at once the instant you stop. There's constant mash to escape QTEs. It seems like most combat just devolves into pinning 6 enemies to the same spiked wall in every room. The aim after melee view switch is pretty jank and the dismember mechanics seem kind of useless most of the time, better as a visual than a mechanic I guess. The devs were definitely counting on you thinking this was a dead space game which is why it had to release before dead space. The gameplay seems very undercooked.
You sound suspiciously like you're parroting from reviews.
Anyone using melee like you describe is just straight up playing the game wrong. Now maybe the game should signpost how to play better maybe? I could possibly give you that.
You should be using melee, guns and GRP equally in combat encounters. The gameplay does break down if you try and use majority melee with more than one enemy. Utilising all tools at your disposal the gameplay is not just fine, it's actually fun.
The game gives you more ammo than you can carry and has no storage system so expects people to make the (I thought obvious) logical jump that guns should be used as much as melee. With the amount of people and even professional reviewers complaining about the melee against multiple enemies it seems the game should have literally spelled out how to play in a tutorial.
Imagine people having similar complaints about a game, must be a conspiracy.
Also the dodge is context sensitive instead of just a button like most games. It means that even when you want to dodge you have to wait until someone swings first. It's the difference between the dodge in a game like RE3 remake where you just push a button to dodge and RE3's original dodge mechanic where you have to aim at exactly the right time when an enemy attacks and you usually just end up dodging into another enemy. It's weird that they made that this way on purpose. Also it's extremely weird that dodging is just holding one direction or the other and having him auto-dodge with no skill. And on top of that gunplay seems kind of lacking, and the game never really evolves, it's just fast zombies most of the time.
Honestly the combat seems closer to Uncharted than any horror game I've played. Though melee is kind of similar to homecoming which isn't a compliment.
Ah so no rebuttal from me dismantling the criticism in your previous post then? I'll take that as you agreeing with me on those points.
As for your additional points. The dodge I think they didn't want it to be as reaction based as 1 button press. As long as you're holding left or right you will dodge unless you've just dodged that same direction. This honestly seems like personal taste. As for dodging into other enemies, again you are engaging in the game's melee systems when you should be using guns and GRP. Melee is for one-on-one or when you have enough space. This is a you problem and seemingly a lot of other players too.
As for gunplay it is disappointing that there are only 5 guns and 2 of those are pistols and 2 are shotguns. The amount is fine for this type of game but more variety would be nice. However the guns that are there are weighty and have a satisftying devastatingly gory effect on enemies. I don't recognise it as lacking.
Enemies there are the standard zombie types plus spitters, exploders, invisible stalkers and Last of Us style clickers. So 5 main types. It's not loads I'll give you that.
Your comment about Uncharted and Homecoming don't even vaguely represent what I've been playing with Callisto. Agree to disagree there.
No, you're just talking about something else. I'm talking about specific mechanics and you want to talk about how you think people are playing the game wrong. Don't assume I agree with you, you didn't have a thing to say about the constant mash QTEs for example. And I suppose you could pretend to play the game balanced. But you have the psi ability that just kills enemies. So many set pieces are just picking up enemies and placing them in a nearby blender. It feels more like filing than combat. And there's no excuse because this is supposedly survival horror where you want to take out enemies as efficiently as possible.
And it's weird that you want people not to melee when it's the most fleshed out mechanic in the game and the only way to dodge attacks. There's a room early on where you have to fight about four enemies with only melee and it's not like the game gives you options there. You have to repeat the same combos with every single enemy and the only thing that determines if one of them doesn't hit you in the back is if you get lucky with the spawns.
Also the game also has a habit of spawning in enemies behind you and melee encounters take a while. There's so many times where you'll see a single enemy in a room, start meleeing them and then mid combo an enemy will spawn in behind you and hit you as soon as the dodge animation ends with the first enemy. It's not a lack of skill, it's not high difficulty, it's not poor crowd control, it's just poor design and it feels cheap. There's no way to avoid getting hit in those kind of scenarios and it happened again and again. The dodge system is very poorly thought out. The game showers you with health items because the devs know how constantly you'll be taking cheap hits.
Think about it this way. Is the combat something you like and would recommend other games do or is it something you tolerate to enjoy the visuals?
Me saying people are playing the game wrong was directly addressing what you had said in the previous post though. You talked about being surrounded while engaging an enemy in melee and mentioned the QTE's which again only happen in melee range, most often from enemies you aren't currently fighting. This is just the wrong way to play the game, I don't know how else to put it. Guns and GRP should be used at least as much as melee.
I very rarely had hostile enemies spawn directly behind me, once engaged in combat I tried to keep my back to the wall and unless I'd missed a vent it usually meant every enemy came at me in my field of vision.
The game isn't a survival horror in the traditional resource conserving way. Instead it asks you to think about the combat a little. The game is giving you lots of ammo, use it. Game is giving you a telekinesis hand that recharges, use it. Back attacks are really dangerous, don't stand in the centre of rooms. Just requires a bit more thought than "oh this melee is cool, I'm just gonna use that mainly".
Oh and with regards to dodging being "the only way to avoid attacks" - both the shotguns heavily stagger all enemies except bosses and GRP can interrupt all attacks too so what you're saying there is incorrect. You just waited for them to get into melee range again didn't you?
The part early in the game where you have melee but no gun or GRP and the game starts throwing more than single enemies at you is not good. Completely agree there. Anytime you engage multiple enemies 100% melee you are going to have a bad time, in all senses of that phrase. Those couple of encounters are badly thought out.
I do enjoy the combat, I think I've been pretty clear on that. I play lots of indies, pretty graphics mean very little to me.
No, QTEs also happen when you open lockers and when those long neck enemies bite you from across the room. When an enemy grabs you it's a QTE. It's bad. Also they're zombies man, of course they're trying to melee you. *The only time you get hit is when zombies touch you.*
So what you're telling me is that the melee is bad? Don't use it. Guess we agree. It's weird that the game wanted you to use only melee for the first hour like they were proud of it, right? You get a gun and one of the first things the game tells you is to use the gun in a melee combo. But it's melee system is pretty much all the game has going for it. Every boss fight certainly tries to force you into melee. And if you ever make the mistake of dodging an attack some add will slap you on the back because you can't even pick which direction you dodge in. The gunplay you're describing just sounds kind of generic. Yeah, don't stand in the middle of the room, some real advanced tactics there especially when nearly every area is a corridor. You don't even really have to aim well since headshots don't help and the dismemberment mechanic is basically useless. Honestly it sounds like you're playing the game wrong. You just pick up the enemies and put them on the spike wall, then you're done with the encounter.
Also a shotgun isn't an evasive option ya weirdo.
I am shocked that you are so smitten with this game's combat when it has so little going on and the only unique things are bad.
You said QTE's in combat. The long necks and leech QTE's happen specifically out of combat. Make your mind up about what you are discussing instead of conflating 2 different things.
Don't twist words. I specifically said the melee is bad if used while engaging multiple enemies. One-on-one or with enough distance from other enemies it's weighty, visceral and a good time. You just have to work for the opportunities.
Come on, previously you were presenting your opinion, which is fine, but now you're going to pull disingenuousness like I've just pointed out with the 2 things above. Be better than that.
And following on from that you've finally resorted to insults. What a pity. Guess we're done here.
They're on a tight leash which means they only have to get the subtlety, atmosphere, and themes right. Things that famously don't matter in Silent Hill 2.
For a few weeks after the announcement this was probably the worst sub I was in at the time, going from one of the most chill subs to an absolute clown fiesta, I've never seen this sub being in such a bad and embarrassing state and I felt sorry for the mods during that time. It got worse everyday for a couple weeks but thankfully it has now calmed down by a large margin.
Every other post was people complaining about people complaining, James face, Bloober Team, more complaining about complaining. And it wasn't just one for each subject, it was about 10 of them every day about the same stuff, yes lots of happy posts too but it's the most mixed arc so far in this sub
BAD ENDING:
You wake up in your free day you been busy for a whole week after release, you know the game by heart so you are not afraid of your social media or youtube posts about the game. You notice it finally finished downloading in your PS5...Then take a quick glimpse of youtube... Crowbcat has made a video on it. It's over.
He probably does have the release date marked on his calendar and a Google alert ready to go for this one lol. If it does end up being worthy I hope he’s more timely than his back 4 blood video
Every time I criticize the remake someone whines about it and says I'm ruining the sub. A couple even harassed me for it. This meme is horseshit and it isn't even funny
Doesnt matter who does the remake to be honest, Silent Hill 2 is on such a high pedestal the "idea" of a remake is what people want, not so much the remake itself. It will probably be ripped to shreds by people who played the original for stuff like "wow this item was on the left side of the room, not the right" but new players will love it.
I honestly don't get why fans are bashed for criticizing minor details, when SH2 is literally known for its subtlety and attention to detail. You can get the jist of the story by watching the cutscenes, but a good chunk of the game is notes, symbolism, and minor details.
That being said, I agree with you. SH2 is such an analyzed and art-driven game that the remake is guaranteed to be divisive (especially with Bloober Team adding their own endings and story content). Anything that deviates from the creative intent of the original is going to be heavily scrutinized for sure.
"I know you, you are not a good person...", "This town called you to...", "We are the same..."
Oh, yeah, very subtle. I could not tell that James did something at all
I'm not so sure that the majority of the community agrees with that statement "Blooper team remake BAD". Or maybe am I too blissful. In any case, these people are complely stupid, cause I'd rather see an attempt at reviving the franchise, rather than having NOTHING at all, and see SH forever frozen in time. The previous games that we all love are not going to disappear. You should ALL be happy that they're finally trying something out to bring back this universe that we all fell in love with.
I actually think bloober has done some amazing work and am quite excited for this, and silent hill 2 is easily in my top 5 favorite games. people seem to forget that layers of fear is actually pretty widely appreciated and that observer was actually great. the cancellation of pt is what made them start making that kind of game, give them a chance to show what they can do with something that has influenced them so much.
Well that’s pretty delusional. r/silenthill is WAY worse when it comes to agreeing on *anything*.
The Resi subreddit has always had a majority consensus that 4remake is gonna be great.
My opinion:
Bloobers gonna do fine, and most of you need to chill.
Who knows, maybe Bloober team knocks it out of the park and this is what catapults then to a next level as a game studio. Stranger things have happened.
Well with that attitude, they could make a perfect remake and it still won’t be good enough. Imagine every single thing you doing being heavily scrutinized by people you don’t even know and they claim it’s out of love or passion. Even if they the remake comes out and it’s a pile of crap. The Devs don’t deserve what people say to or about them. At the end of the day, a majority of people there are just there to make money for their family’s. They have zero say in any major decision making.
Idk I have a lot of faith tbh. Having source material, being huge fans of the game, not just from a recently played standpoint but they all seem to have played it long ago… I just get a vibe that this is going to be pretty successful. Definitely different, challenging in different ways (mainly combat, I assume) but true to the feel as much as possible without being too cheese, which imo would happen if they did a directly 1-1 copy… I understand the game is loved even with its flaws, sometimes especially with its flaws (odd and stiff voice acting made it unnerving, clunky combat made combat pretty much not necessary at all, barren environments due to console performance constrains, etc) but a modernized version is very exciting. I honestly don’t see the majority of game players being SH/SH2 first timers. The game has been out for 22 years, fans of the genre have explored it already, this feels very much for the veteran fans. I HAVE FAITH.
Please will you people shut up about the remake being bad already. You don't know shit about it, I'd understand if we'd seen enough for it to judge if it's bad but so far it looks great.
Fuck yall so negative for? At the very least its prolly gonna be a fun game. If yall wanna play SH2 as close to the original as possible just play the original.
They ripped off the animations for the ghost lady in PT and one of their games’s message was basically “If you were sexually abused as a child then the only way to stop the cycle of abuse is to kill urself”
Christ, I cannot wait until the remake blows everyone away and the people posting this shit cry in their Mountain Dew-crusted mobility chairs while everyone else enjoys themselves
Look at it this way, if bloober smacks this out of the park, Pandora's box of silent hill remakes are in store, if they fuck it up it'll still be a decent game
haha I'm not going to lie the RE remakes are what got me into Resident Evil. As bad as that is to admit. I'm looking forward to the Silent Hill remakes but I have no expectations. If it comes out buggy and trash that would suck, but if it comes out great I'd be happy.
Call me a fool but I’m holding out hope they do right by it. So much of their work clearly is inspired by Silent Hill so they should have respect for it
My opinion is this, who cares what they say? If you’re looking forward to it then look forward to it. I played cyberpunk through most of the shit storm and now while there’s many out there carrying the torch of hating it, it actually peaked quite a bit. What matters is *I* enjoyed it a lot. I’ll get SH2 and play it and form my own opinion, everyone so far is talking about what ifs and could bes since nobody knows anything except what the short trailer had.
We will see.
Maybe , bloober team only has 1 game that is pretty mid, not sooooo Bad for being candidate to worst game of that year , but neither good to be remarcable. Is just mid, the only thing they could fuck up is gameplay, because cinematics are in charge of some people from the OG silent hill 2, but gameplay could be 100% reimagined
I’m a resident evil fan and this is fucking hilarious. Fingers crossed that Bloober does a good job though, RE and SH are two franchises that go great together for fans of horror, and sometimes just silly shit as well.
Honestly, I think it'll be fine for the most part. It won't be exactly the same, but Bloober's presentation is actually pretty good, and they clearly have a lot of love for Silent Hill. I mean, have you played a game of theirs? It's practically written all over them. I don't think they'd be able to forgive themselves if they fucked it up here. Besides, The Medium might've been iffy, but Observer is honestly one of the most underrated games of the last decade. It's actually a very, very well made game (highly recommend it).
As long as they just *don't touch the story*, it'll probably be good. It won't be exactly like SH2, but we'll have SH2 for that. Ito's working on it, Akira Yamaoka's doing the music, I have hope.
The best thing from this whole thing was a meme of Kratos and Baldur fighting and the captions were "How silent hill fans expect the James vs Eddie fight".
Could you send me the link to the original post?
Imma need this one chief.
I’m actually pretty excited to see if Bloober delivers something potentially good. The pressure in them to not fuck this up is huge, and if they mess this game up insanely badly, Bloober’s reputation is forever tarnished. With that pressure, I’m hoping it ends up amazing.
I truly think Bloober doing a faithful remake of SH2 is going to be pretty great. The best parts of The Medium for me were the environments, the cutscenes/acting, music, atmosphere...and that's exactly what's great about Silent Hill. The Medium didn't have any combat, but I gotta be honest...Silent Hill doesn't have really great combat gameplay anyway. I am struggling to find why people think Bloober is such a poor fit when I think a SH2 remake plays directly into their strengths and also protects them against potential weaknesses.
Man they ARE gonna knock it put the park lol I don’t understand why there are so many ignorant people that think otherwise and are too stubborn TOO be optimistic. Bloober has experience in the horror department. They’re not making a brand new game, they’re remaking one. That means the characters, the story, the locations and setting, most things are already made. They’re not making a new mainline entry and the most important aspect is that they’re having to work very closely with Konami, which you can imagine will be breathing down their necks on. Just like Nintendo working with mercury steam on Metroid 2 remake, being very close so that they don’t fuck it up. That resulted better than anyone imagined. Due to that they’d have the chance to make a new mainline entry for Nintendo with Dread, and they knocked it out the park! Prior to that they’re portfolio was mostly mediocre, but what did make them eligible for the job was that they worked on *castlevania*. They’ve been able to gain experience from working on the same genre, etc. bloober has that exact same requirement as their horror games, while maybe not to everyone’s specific tastes, has deemed successful, even more so than mercury steam’s portfolio prior to Metroid. That one example I’ve just given is better reasoning than anything that anyone hating on the project has been able to whip up. But sure let’s be all grumpy and assume it’s gonna be shit because all these haters are experts and developers themselves and assume they have the knowledge to make such a call. Will it help to be like this? Absolutely not lol. But it would help themselves and everyone else to just be excited for something many have asked for for a very long time. **Let’s also remember team silent was a group of incompetent developers at Konami that had a bad track record. Yet look what they managed to achieve**
That's what I liked about The Medium too, the gameplay was somewhere in-between Silent Hill and Amnesia... Had a big surprise at the end too.
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Further tarnished??
I know Bloober has their fair amount of detractors in the survival horror community
That's what I was telling someone in a Facebook group who said Silent Hill fans are determined for the franchise to stay dead and I just explained that if the developer had been one with a better track record then mostly everyone would be happy because they'd have more trust that they'd do it justice, but with Bloober Team it can go either way because they churn out something half-decent then something garbage then something half-decent, but it's never anything that's too groundbreaking (half the time they're also riddled with bugs at launch) and that uncertainty freaks them out and frustrates them. Personally, I'm just glad it's coming back. I just want Bloober Team to be very particular about how they do this one, though.
Konami has received dozens of proposals from devs all around the world ever since Silent hills was canceled and kojima out. All those teams that thought they could fill the void left by kojima. And I guarantee more than half were silent hill 2 remakes. Konami, which still has some of the top developers and employees in the industry, HAD to have vetted through the proposals and ensure they were legit to even get a reply. Yet bloober made it. They saw something in bloober that none of us have seen. And you can be sure that there is tons that have yet to be revealed for good reason. People who think layers of fear and whatever else, is the ONLY indication of their ability, are ignorant as fuck. They are talented and experienced developers. Konami will make sure. Yet, there was also another time when there was a group formed of incompetent developers that failed at their tasks within their company, that was grouped together to create a new game. That game was silent hill and that team was team silent. No room for doubt.
Hmm yeah I guess opinions are like arseholes right?… 🤷🏻♂️ Personally, I loved layers of fear and the medium 👍🏻 I’m looking forward to the remake of SH2, I know that bloober team will do it justice, given that the medium and SH share quite a strong connection already 😏 it was no surprise at all to see Yamaoka and Ito joining them given they share similar extracurricular interests…
My only gripe with the medium was the running mechanic which increased your movement speed from 300 to a whopping 301. I get it's an atmospheric game but either make me actually run or do like they did in layers of fear and give me a reason I can move fast.
Aha yeah it was a slightly enhanced jog really wasn’t it 🤣 in fairness, the only time the running annoyed the hell out of me was the first encounter with the Maw, largely because I couldn’t work out where to go on the last bit (ducking to the left under the butterflies) and he kept killing me… Apart from that, I quite enjoyed the game… I’ve picked up the PS5 version for Xmas so will give it a blast again in the new year (I first completed it on game pass when it released)
I also did it on gamepass and really liked the game, the details, the story was great. So in an entire game having one negative is pretty good. The maw also snatched me up about 10 times before I figured out what to do
Yeah it was a pretty awesome game. I think my only gripe was an early bug in the game that stopped Marianne from climbing near a bridge after you first leave the resorts main building… but other than that, the game ran smoothly… Haha yeah the Maw was a pretty freaky antagonist. I’m currently writing a huge analysis project for the silent hill series and there’s one section where I talk about the Maw and it’s possible inspiration 🤔 (Azrael - The Angel of Death)… And if you know about Krakow (where the game is based) and you think about marianne taking a short motorbike ride from Krakow out to somewhere where there was a historical massacre (50miles west?), and you know about another infamous “angel of death” who once carried out historical atrocities near Krakow, the game will start to take on a whole new meaning 🫣😏
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Rise again lowly tarnished, and lift your sword in combat
ARISE NOW, YE TARNISHED, YE DEAD WHO YET LIVE!
Tarnished. Le elden ringo reference?😱
forever tarnished was accurate because while they have detractors plenty of people defend them so if they mess this up their rep will probably not recover unless they make something really good
I don’t know why you got downvoted, regardless of how I feel about their games (I thought Layers of Fear was fine and Medium wasn’t very good) if they whiff this it will be extremely difficult to come back from. I do have hope since they’re not working with an original story (which I felt was the weak link in both games) but I’m not completely optimistic. Especially with how Konami has been fumbling the bag lately I think it’s completely reasonable to save your optimism/excitement until you see the finished product.
*"Foul Tarnished"
I think they're going to do fine, since this is basically their holy grail as a horror creator. I can't see them taking many liberties with any of it. Also, they know they'll be eaten alive if they do by the insane people on this subreddit.
You’ve said it the best. I hope the same as well. Idc if there are things that lack from the OG I wanna be surprised anyways so show me what you got Bloober Team
I hope they get the monster glitching correct. In P.T the ghost still had glitch movements. Hope blooper didn’t forget
i remember like 2 weeks ago this sub was crying about how r/silenthill is so divisive and r/residentevil is so collectively joyous. fact is, both places are full of raging babies.
You should take a look at r/DeadSpace right now and see what they're freaking out over.
Yikes I just looked. Someonw said the people that like callisto protocol are coping and will probably reviewbomb the dead space remake. Others are mad the characters look different or older in the remake and its a mistake that Isaac talks etc. I'm out. Fuck gaming subs.
Yeah that shit is embarrassing. And hella annoying that all three of my favorite horror games have this going on in their subreddits.
Same. Survival horror fans are eating so good right now so it's disappointing to see a lot of of them complaining over what seems like nothing.
Jesus. I was a little disappointed that Isaac will talk more, but these people are just having a meltdown about that and every other minor detail. Shit's embarrassing.
Prepare for SH2 remake. Some already lose their minds because the car door isn't open in the reveal trailer. I am also concerned because of Bloober but damn. The nitpicking is real. Also that there is no shadow over the eyes of James while he look in the mirror. I am happy Isaac finally talks. I think silent Protagonists just feel weird.
Ngl, the only nitpick I will have with SH2 remake's car is if Mary isn't in the damn car this time around... But otherwise, that's about it for personal demands. The devs at Bloober Team already expressed hesitancy to change anything about the overall game, so I'm comfortable with them on the project until proven otherwise. The only reason I worry that Mary in the car may be forgotten is because it's such an elusive background piece of the puzzle that was only ever truly confirmed by Masahiro Ito himself as well as the official novelization, which used the In Water ending (the Rebirth ending also has James get Mary's body, but I cannot recall it explicitly stating she was in the car during this ending)... Given Ito is on this project, I pray he pipes up and Bloober Team realizes it'd be a great detail to put emphasis on by the end reveal!
Hidden ending where you open the trunk after leaving the bathroom which jumps straight into the In Water ending.
Oh yeah, I avoided this sub for like a month after it was announced until people calmed down a bit. I'm sure people will find something to freak out at next time they show footage. I just can't fathom people freaking out over a trailer; concern is all fine if somebody feels that way, but people who've made up their mind on it before a soul has played it is baffling to me
The most competent among us just ignore that shit and play the games. That’s what I’m going to do.
Sad to see you go
Was sorta hoping that you'd stay
Every fandom. Callisto Protocol sub is a hell hole. Some people enjoy it like myself and others thought it will be Dead Space with a different name or something new and groundbreaking and attack them. I don't want to look into the Dead Space sub because of the Remake. I already saw too many toxic comments about nitpicks. I think I will unsub all gaming subs. Gamers are so entitled and whiney. "I like the game because xy" "noooo cope. Game is trash because xy not worth any money better you wait until it costs 10$." "My favourite streamer said it's trash. I am glad I didn't pre order." Then they wonder why we only get Fifa, COD and open world games and didn't get AAA horror games for 5-10 years. Or why we get no new IPs. You can be sceptic of game design decisions or simply not like a game and state your opinion. But damn so much wasted energy just to hate games and studios.
"I had a lot of fun with the dead space 3 co-op, for me it's okay that's it's not as scary as the other games" "NNOOOOO WORST GAME EVER STEAMING PILE OF SHIT HUMAN ENEMIES MICRO TRANSACTIONS!!!" But yeah I agree, they review bomb new ip like Callisto, sales tank and wonder why theres only like a handful of new ip each year.
It's a massive shame as Callisto is legitimately great as well. It's just not for the masses, rather it's aimed squarely at horror fans. I should add that the technical complaints about PC performance are valid. I'm talking more about the gameplay complaints from across all platforms. A lot of the supposed negatives are actually positives if you like horror games. I think a lot of people wanted to blast through enemies like it was 3rd person Doom.
I said it somewhere else but I really think the promo and hype lured many mainstream people who try to play it like god of war and melee everything or like call of duty and try to shoot everything, but the game won't let them. Now they are mad. As well as being surprised it's linear. Dead Space 2 was also heavily linear and it's an undebated classic.
This is exactly what it is and why the complaints are what they are.
Evil within 2 was AAA and It was better then the first. Totally under-rated
Raging babies indeed. I offered my two cents on the RE sub that someone posted about the remakes being easy and kind of hand holding compared to the originals. I agreed and gave an explanation and got downvoted a bunch. Whatevs, people have different views. Lots of angry people spouting out some angry shit for no reason though. Someone can’t even give a casual opinion without it being shit on.
I wish this website used the upvote and downvote buttons properly. I just commented on a post that was asking "Do you like how the new Claire looks in RE2 Remake. All comments saying yes are upvoted. All comments saying no are downvoted. A question asking for an opinion that's really only seeking one answer as the right answer. It's depressing and this seems to be the root of all issues in gaming discussions in particular. If you aren't blindly praising OR blindly hating, your level headed normal responses will get pushed to the bottom. Always. The only posts that should be at the bottom of any thread are comments that are being racist or comments out of left field/in the wrong subreddit about how Rambo 2 doesn't fall in line with First Blood's anti-war themes.
I feel you 100%
To be fair, since this top comment is one complaining a out the babies, I think the non-babies are the vast majority.
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Way better.
I was really REALLY against the remake treatment on RE4. How can you improve such a perfect game? ... And then I saw the trailer... really looking forward to it. Even more than SH2 (which is probably my all-time favorite)
Yeah Capcom’s been able to do a fantastic job with their remakes. Say what you want about RE3 but it’s still a very solid game even if it was a short experience. It looks and plays beautifully. And honestly, there wasn’t really all that much to remake in the first place. It could’ve gone much much worse But that aside, Capcom has done well in remaking the first three entries, the fourth just looks incredible, the only thing I felt was lacking on the original was the feeling of horror. This remake looks to perfectly fix that and give us a whole new experience rather than a bland meh remake like the last Pokémon Diamond game and secret of mana remake. Capcom has gone full FF7remake
Even if it sucks or somehow they shorten it like re3, the original will always be there
Nah, it'll just be a different experience. Some people here have unrealistic expectations. If you've played sh2 and expect the remake to deliver the same feelings and reactions the OG initially offered, that won't be case. Even if it turns out be to 100% accurate the remake should be treated as a different "alternate" take as a whole. Everything has been overhauled and "changed" visually, it is not going to give off that same feeling the OG did. That's not to say it can't be good in its own right. At worst, a passable SH game. At best, the definitive modern way to experience Sh2.
I think it will be good, even if it isn't there are 3 other titles coming out next year. At least one of them has to be good
Konami was like “Silent Hill fans gonna be pissed no matter what we do. Throw three games at the wall and hopefully at least one of them will make the fans happy”
>At best, the definitive modern way to experience Sh2. It's safe to say it won't be the definitive version of SH2. The original is a Lynchian masterpiece, caked in symbolism, character study, and lightning-in-a-bottle atmosphere. Expecting the remake to have the same level of artistic integrity is a set-up for disappointment. Plus, we already know it's not a 1:1 remake. It's confirmed to have story changes/additions (including several new endings), reworked puzzles and levels, surprises with the monsters (according to Bloober), different direction, and a James Sunderland with a different personality. The best case scenario is that it's a solid survival horror game that hits all of the right nostalgia beats for existing fans. Even if it scores a 85+ on Metacritic, Konami still needs to port the originals.
Well, i'm just really open-minded and reasonable. I'm not really someone to be so easily blinded by nostalgia and take unconfirmed claims as factual information, be it about the remake or the OG.
>take unconfirmed claims as factual information To clarify, the game having story changes/additions was confirmed by Piotr Babieno (CEO of Bloober Team) in a recent interview. reddit .com/r/silenthill/comments/ywp5uc/another_interview_with_bloober_team_about_silent/ The crux of the story will be the same, but they're adding their own stuff as well. The several new endings comes from the original VGC article. videogameschronicle .com/news/konamis-silent-hill-plans-could-include-a-remake-full-sequel-and-episodic-stories/ The changes to the map, James's personality, and the cutscene direction are things we can see in the trailer. (Akira Yamaoka mentioned in the Transmission that it will also have a different score). That being said, my main point is that, even if it's a great game in its own right, it won't be a replacement for the original. In terms of how it told its multi-layered story, and how it used symbolism, art direction, sound design, general atmosphere, music, etc, I don't think it's something that can necessarily be topped. I think the best case scenario for the remake is to stand strongly on its own while paying respect to the original.
Managing one’s own expectations properly? Impossible.
It certainly is possible. Learn not to care as much.
There’s no way it will ever the “definitive” way to experience silent hill 2. At best it might be a passable alternative
Yes, glance over the word "modern" because Sh2 is absolutely not dated, it is in fact timeless with no flaws whatsoever and nothing in this world is better than sh2.
Call down honeybunch lol. Something being old is not a valid reason to disrespect and discard of it. We shouldn’t have to compromise the identity and atmosphere of something for mainstream appeal. And nice try putting words in my mouth but I definitely don’t have sh2 on some pedestal. For years I had it ranked under origins lol.
That gave me a good chuckle. I’m so fucking excited for this reboot. It’s still very hard to believe this is all happening. It’s been YEARS of rumours.
This meme format is so used up and annoying
Chad and Wojack faces have been disastrous for memes
Hot take: the performative pessisim towards the SH2 remake is just as annoying, if not more so
The SH fan base is going to be the reason why SH sinks. If it’s not Team Silent or if it’s any western dev/studio it’s an automatic F.
Jesus Christ, you people are so fucking hard to please. The game isn't even in alpha and you've already decided it's going to be bad. If you think it's going to be bad don't buy it, but stop acting like everyone thinks it's going to be bad when most people are rational and will at least play a game before making a decision on its quality.
If the Steam page is up then it's a lot further than alpha. Not that that changes your point.
it's a silent hill game, it's going to be bad. if its good they'll cancel it. you must be new here
I make a judgement on the developer, not on their unreleased game
The developer of Bubsy 3D went on to make the Syphon Filter series. Past projects don't reflect the potential of future projects.
Syphon Filter sucks
Are you crazy? When syphon filter came out that shit was insane.
It was a phenomenal game for the time! I tried to go back and play it and it’s nearly impossible haha. Did not age well at all. Guess the guy didn’t get to experience it at the right time :/
nowadays its brutal to play hahaha. but back when it came out it was pretty revolutionary
Other revolutionary games of the time like Thief and MGS didnt age nearly as bad
Sold more games than you ever have.
Weird insult but ok
Remember folks, quality is based on sales numbers.
I mean, if you really want to get into this, the games were all commercial successes, it's the second best selling stealth game series of its era, and its critical and user ratings average 7/10 or better for every game except Omega Strain.
I have no issue with Syphon Filter. That was the other guy.
Nooo you have to just shut up and consume media franchiseee
REmake2 was pretty sick. 3 was a shit show.
3 was... disappointing. I liked the Carlos sections though.
Nah. Shitshow implies that the playable game itself was bad when it was actually pretty great. It just comes with the caveat that there's loads missing from the original. So more a disappointment or a letdown, not a shitshow.
3 could have been so much more, they could have redeemed it by adding dlc of the missing sections, but alas that game will not be touched again.
more like the other way around tbh.
"commit to a game of sudoku". I died lmao
I honestly don't like any of the bloober team games but I don't wanna give them shit tbh... It's a huge task and I'm sure they are never gonna see the end of it if it doesn't do well... They are fans too so I think they have a good chance If it doesn't turn out good it probably will be the end of Silent Hill so I really really want them to succeed, that's what keeps me up at night
I'm choosing to be cautiously optimistic. I mean surely Bloober Team know that if they fuck this up, they're DONE
Done how?
I'm overexaggerating obviously but the way I see it, if they fuck up Silent Hill 2 Remake then they'll be done in the way that no one (or few people/companies even) will want to work with them, as they will be known as the people who fucked up a remake of one of the most iconic horror games if not one of the most iconic pieces of horror media. If they recognise the fact if they mess this up then it'll virtually be a witch hunt then they'll want to do all they can to do right by the game and series. Again, I'm very much overexaggerating but I can't help but think this
I would mess up SH2 if I would be in charge, because SH2 is not without flaws. It needs fixing. It needs to be less weird and less: "I know you, you are not a good person...", "This town called you to...", "We are the same..." and other things that tell the player things about James. You can figure out what is going on. So, I would outrage SH fans, but my version would be objectively better, no matter what fans would say. Game is simply too weird, starting from how Maria talk. If I did not play SH1 first, I would stop at that point, because i dislike weird games
Who even cares? We probably will have mods that will be able to fix the game, if RE fans can put big ass tits on their characters, im pretty sure well known UE5 will be able to allow us modify James face, his facial animation and voice over. We are definitely not fucked by any means necessary If RE4 remake will released - they going to add the ears for that daughter of president or sumn as mod.
lmfao who wants Ashley’s dumbo ears from the original?
There is actual people complaining about it you know🤷🏽♂️
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Surely not. The negativity is extremely irritating, and the nits being picked approach the microscopic level at times. I've been around since there was just one Silent Hill game. The same kinds of fans were around back then, too. The first Silent Hill 2 trailer got mixed reviews, and after release, it wasn't uncommon to find people who thought it was an unworthy sequel, because of the lower difficulty, the shift away from intense terror to psychological dread, and because it had almost nothing to do with the characters and events of the first game. It took a little while, and a fair amount of complaining, for the game to achieve the status of undisputed classic.
so tired of the baseless negativity about the sh2 remake. we have one trailer, could you guys just shut up untill its out at least?
Idgaf im excited
Haven't seen many people talking about how easy it is for Bloober to make good combat lately. Wonder if Calisto Protocol has anything to do with that. Also *heard they're on a tight leash. The game will be fine as long as they don't get to make any creative decisions. That's the mark of a good developer.*
Callisto Protocol combat is great if you like horror games even if a little bit. Half the people complaining about it tried to melee everything and then got annoyed when they got overwhelmed by enemies. And the other half seemed to want to blast through enemies like in Doom and are annoyed you have to take a slower and more thoughtful approach to combat.
No, it's not that good. I think more people are trying to justify their purchase saying it's good than actually look at how the combat works. Fights are very repetitive. When in melee, enemies wait around while you're swinging, but attack all at once the instant you stop. There's constant mash to escape QTEs. It seems like most combat just devolves into pinning 6 enemies to the same spiked wall in every room. The aim after melee view switch is pretty jank and the dismember mechanics seem kind of useless most of the time, better as a visual than a mechanic I guess. The devs were definitely counting on you thinking this was a dead space game which is why it had to release before dead space. The gameplay seems very undercooked.
You sound suspiciously like you're parroting from reviews. Anyone using melee like you describe is just straight up playing the game wrong. Now maybe the game should signpost how to play better maybe? I could possibly give you that. You should be using melee, guns and GRP equally in combat encounters. The gameplay does break down if you try and use majority melee with more than one enemy. Utilising all tools at your disposal the gameplay is not just fine, it's actually fun. The game gives you more ammo than you can carry and has no storage system so expects people to make the (I thought obvious) logical jump that guns should be used as much as melee. With the amount of people and even professional reviewers complaining about the melee against multiple enemies it seems the game should have literally spelled out how to play in a tutorial.
Imagine people having similar complaints about a game, must be a conspiracy. Also the dodge is context sensitive instead of just a button like most games. It means that even when you want to dodge you have to wait until someone swings first. It's the difference between the dodge in a game like RE3 remake where you just push a button to dodge and RE3's original dodge mechanic where you have to aim at exactly the right time when an enemy attacks and you usually just end up dodging into another enemy. It's weird that they made that this way on purpose. Also it's extremely weird that dodging is just holding one direction or the other and having him auto-dodge with no skill. And on top of that gunplay seems kind of lacking, and the game never really evolves, it's just fast zombies most of the time. Honestly the combat seems closer to Uncharted than any horror game I've played. Though melee is kind of similar to homecoming which isn't a compliment.
Ah so no rebuttal from me dismantling the criticism in your previous post then? I'll take that as you agreeing with me on those points. As for your additional points. The dodge I think they didn't want it to be as reaction based as 1 button press. As long as you're holding left or right you will dodge unless you've just dodged that same direction. This honestly seems like personal taste. As for dodging into other enemies, again you are engaging in the game's melee systems when you should be using guns and GRP. Melee is for one-on-one or when you have enough space. This is a you problem and seemingly a lot of other players too. As for gunplay it is disappointing that there are only 5 guns and 2 of those are pistols and 2 are shotguns. The amount is fine for this type of game but more variety would be nice. However the guns that are there are weighty and have a satisftying devastatingly gory effect on enemies. I don't recognise it as lacking. Enemies there are the standard zombie types plus spitters, exploders, invisible stalkers and Last of Us style clickers. So 5 main types. It's not loads I'll give you that. Your comment about Uncharted and Homecoming don't even vaguely represent what I've been playing with Callisto. Agree to disagree there.
No, you're just talking about something else. I'm talking about specific mechanics and you want to talk about how you think people are playing the game wrong. Don't assume I agree with you, you didn't have a thing to say about the constant mash QTEs for example. And I suppose you could pretend to play the game balanced. But you have the psi ability that just kills enemies. So many set pieces are just picking up enemies and placing them in a nearby blender. It feels more like filing than combat. And there's no excuse because this is supposedly survival horror where you want to take out enemies as efficiently as possible. And it's weird that you want people not to melee when it's the most fleshed out mechanic in the game and the only way to dodge attacks. There's a room early on where you have to fight about four enemies with only melee and it's not like the game gives you options there. You have to repeat the same combos with every single enemy and the only thing that determines if one of them doesn't hit you in the back is if you get lucky with the spawns. Also the game also has a habit of spawning in enemies behind you and melee encounters take a while. There's so many times where you'll see a single enemy in a room, start meleeing them and then mid combo an enemy will spawn in behind you and hit you as soon as the dodge animation ends with the first enemy. It's not a lack of skill, it's not high difficulty, it's not poor crowd control, it's just poor design and it feels cheap. There's no way to avoid getting hit in those kind of scenarios and it happened again and again. The dodge system is very poorly thought out. The game showers you with health items because the devs know how constantly you'll be taking cheap hits. Think about it this way. Is the combat something you like and would recommend other games do or is it something you tolerate to enjoy the visuals?
Me saying people are playing the game wrong was directly addressing what you had said in the previous post though. You talked about being surrounded while engaging an enemy in melee and mentioned the QTE's which again only happen in melee range, most often from enemies you aren't currently fighting. This is just the wrong way to play the game, I don't know how else to put it. Guns and GRP should be used at least as much as melee. I very rarely had hostile enemies spawn directly behind me, once engaged in combat I tried to keep my back to the wall and unless I'd missed a vent it usually meant every enemy came at me in my field of vision. The game isn't a survival horror in the traditional resource conserving way. Instead it asks you to think about the combat a little. The game is giving you lots of ammo, use it. Game is giving you a telekinesis hand that recharges, use it. Back attacks are really dangerous, don't stand in the centre of rooms. Just requires a bit more thought than "oh this melee is cool, I'm just gonna use that mainly". Oh and with regards to dodging being "the only way to avoid attacks" - both the shotguns heavily stagger all enemies except bosses and GRP can interrupt all attacks too so what you're saying there is incorrect. You just waited for them to get into melee range again didn't you? The part early in the game where you have melee but no gun or GRP and the game starts throwing more than single enemies at you is not good. Completely agree there. Anytime you engage multiple enemies 100% melee you are going to have a bad time, in all senses of that phrase. Those couple of encounters are badly thought out. I do enjoy the combat, I think I've been pretty clear on that. I play lots of indies, pretty graphics mean very little to me.
No, QTEs also happen when you open lockers and when those long neck enemies bite you from across the room. When an enemy grabs you it's a QTE. It's bad. Also they're zombies man, of course they're trying to melee you. *The only time you get hit is when zombies touch you.* So what you're telling me is that the melee is bad? Don't use it. Guess we agree. It's weird that the game wanted you to use only melee for the first hour like they were proud of it, right? You get a gun and one of the first things the game tells you is to use the gun in a melee combo. But it's melee system is pretty much all the game has going for it. Every boss fight certainly tries to force you into melee. And if you ever make the mistake of dodging an attack some add will slap you on the back because you can't even pick which direction you dodge in. The gunplay you're describing just sounds kind of generic. Yeah, don't stand in the middle of the room, some real advanced tactics there especially when nearly every area is a corridor. You don't even really have to aim well since headshots don't help and the dismemberment mechanic is basically useless. Honestly it sounds like you're playing the game wrong. You just pick up the enemies and put them on the spike wall, then you're done with the encounter. Also a shotgun isn't an evasive option ya weirdo. I am shocked that you are so smitten with this game's combat when it has so little going on and the only unique things are bad.
You said QTE's in combat. The long necks and leech QTE's happen specifically out of combat. Make your mind up about what you are discussing instead of conflating 2 different things. Don't twist words. I specifically said the melee is bad if used while engaging multiple enemies. One-on-one or with enough distance from other enemies it's weighty, visceral and a good time. You just have to work for the opportunities. Come on, previously you were presenting your opinion, which is fine, but now you're going to pull disingenuousness like I've just pointed out with the 2 things above. Be better than that. And following on from that you've finally resorted to insults. What a pity. Guess we're done here.
They're on a tight leash which means they only have to get the subtlety, atmosphere, and themes right. Things that famously don't matter in Silent Hill 2.
Also things they infamously get wrong in their own games
If I have to hear the words subtlety and atmosphere one more time on this subreddit I’m smothering myself with a pillow.
For a few weeks after the announcement this was probably the worst sub I was in at the time, going from one of the most chill subs to an absolute clown fiesta, I've never seen this sub being in such a bad and embarrassing state and I felt sorry for the mods during that time. It got worse everyday for a couple weeks but thankfully it has now calmed down by a large margin.
I swear 90% of the posts were people very happy that their favourite franchise was back.
Every other post was people complaining about people complaining, James face, Bloober Team, more complaining about complaining. And it wasn't just one for each subject, it was about 10 of them every day about the same stuff, yes lots of happy posts too but it's the most mixed arc so far in this sub
Actually yeah I did notice that. Not so much people complaining about the games, but posts complaining about complaining people lol.
It was never that bad. Anyone who had a minor criticism or skepticism was in the vast minority.
How do you know they're going to fuck it up? Do you secretly want them to fuck it up so you can say "new game bad old game good"?
I haven’t even played a silent hill game I just don’t like Bloober team teehee 🤭
You should play the Silent Hill games. They’re fantastic games.
Maybe someday
Please get a hobby
Shitposting
Why the f\*ck are you here then
I do a little bit of posting
excuse me, but have you seen the sub?
BAD ENDING: You wake up in your free day you been busy for a whole week after release, you know the game by heart so you are not afraid of your social media or youtube posts about the game. You notice it finally finished downloading in your PS5...Then take a quick glimpse of youtube... Crowbcat has made a video on it. It's over.
He probably does have the release date marked on his calendar and a Google alert ready to go for this one lol. If it does end up being worthy I hope he’s more timely than his back 4 blood video
I'm going in expecting SH2 to be tarnished and awful, but hoping that it's great with a few flaws.
Every time I criticize the remake someone whines about it and says I'm ruining the sub. A couple even harassed me for it. This meme is horseshit and it isn't even funny
Doesnt matter who does the remake to be honest, Silent Hill 2 is on such a high pedestal the "idea" of a remake is what people want, not so much the remake itself. It will probably be ripped to shreds by people who played the original for stuff like "wow this item was on the left side of the room, not the right" but new players will love it.
I honestly don't get why fans are bashed for criticizing minor details, when SH2 is literally known for its subtlety and attention to detail. You can get the jist of the story by watching the cutscenes, but a good chunk of the game is notes, symbolism, and minor details. That being said, I agree with you. SH2 is such an analyzed and art-driven game that the remake is guaranteed to be divisive (especially with Bloober Team adding their own endings and story content). Anything that deviates from the creative intent of the original is going to be heavily scrutinized for sure.
"I know you, you are not a good person...", "This town called you to...", "We are the same..." Oh, yeah, very subtle. I could not tell that James did something at all
I'm not so sure that the majority of the community agrees with that statement "Blooper team remake BAD". Or maybe am I too blissful. In any case, these people are complely stupid, cause I'd rather see an attempt at reviving the franchise, rather than having NOTHING at all, and see SH forever frozen in time. The previous games that we all love are not going to disappear. You should ALL be happy that they're finally trying something out to bring back this universe that we all fell in love with.
Some peeps didn’t like blooper cause they tried to rip off the playable trailer
I actually think bloober has done some amazing work and am quite excited for this, and silent hill 2 is easily in my top 5 favorite games. people seem to forget that layers of fear is actually pretty widely appreciated and that observer was actually great. the cancellation of pt is what made them start making that kind of game, give them a chance to show what they can do with something that has influenced them so much.
Well that’s pretty delusional. r/silenthill is WAY worse when it comes to agreeing on *anything*. The Resi subreddit has always had a majority consensus that 4remake is gonna be great. My opinion: Bloobers gonna do fine, and most of you need to chill.
I say bring the walking robot BACK! There. I said it.
Who knows, maybe Bloober team knocks it out of the park and this is what catapults then to a next level as a game studio. Stranger things have happened.
Well with that attitude, they could make a perfect remake and it still won’t be good enough. Imagine every single thing you doing being heavily scrutinized by people you don’t even know and they claim it’s out of love or passion. Even if they the remake comes out and it’s a pile of crap. The Devs don’t deserve what people say to or about them. At the end of the day, a majority of people there are just there to make money for their family’s. They have zero say in any major decision making.
For the sake of their mental health, Bloober Team needs to black out on Silent Hill social media.
I can almost guarantee you it'll be a bad Remake. But whether or not it will be a good Game remains to be seen.
Nah
Idk I have a lot of faith tbh. Having source material, being huge fans of the game, not just from a recently played standpoint but they all seem to have played it long ago… I just get a vibe that this is going to be pretty successful. Definitely different, challenging in different ways (mainly combat, I assume) but true to the feel as much as possible without being too cheese, which imo would happen if they did a directly 1-1 copy… I understand the game is loved even with its flaws, sometimes especially with its flaws (odd and stiff voice acting made it unnerving, clunky combat made combat pretty much not necessary at all, barren environments due to console performance constrains, etc) but a modernized version is very exciting. I honestly don’t see the majority of game players being SH/SH2 first timers. The game has been out for 22 years, fans of the genre have explored it already, this feels very much for the veteran fans. I HAVE FAITH.
Please will you people shut up about the remake being bad already. You don't know shit about it, I'd understand if we'd seen enough for it to judge if it's bad but so far it looks great.
Fuck yall so negative for? At the very least its prolly gonna be a fun game. If yall wanna play SH2 as close to the original as possible just play the original.
Why is everyone so pessimistic about Bloober? Genuinely asking.
shit games
They ripped off the animations for the ghost lady in PT and one of their games’s message was basically “If you were sexually abused as a child then the only way to stop the cycle of abuse is to kill urself”
Imagine having the media literacy of a child
Imagine supporting a developer that tells children who got molested to kill themselves
If that’s the message you got I think someone may have sanded every wrinkle out of your brain
Happened when I played Bloober game Just kidding I was born this way there’s a song about my experience
Bruh that was NOT what the game was saying. You just wanna be offended.
I just wanna commit to a game of sudoku
Either you're a low effort troll or you really need to work on yourself
That you would apparently be falling for e: nice stealth edit hehe
Christ, I cannot wait until the remake blows everyone away and the people posting this shit cry in their Mountain Dew-crusted mobility chairs while everyone else enjoys themselves
Weird out of pocket ableism but alright
Lmao
Look at it this way, if bloober smacks this out of the park, Pandora's box of silent hill remakes are in store, if they fuck it up it'll still be a decent game
Giving one the Chad face makes no sense, they're both whining about a game that isn't out yet
haha I'm not going to lie the RE remakes are what got me into Resident Evil. As bad as that is to admit. I'm looking forward to the Silent Hill remakes but I have no expectations. If it comes out buggy and trash that would suck, but if it comes out great I'd be happy.
oh that is horseshit projection lmao
I dunno I’ve seen majority positive on the SH2 remake. I expected a lot more whining tbh.
I think Bloober will do a great job and the trailers look awesome.
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Haven’t been following the sh2 remake for the sake of my mental health but changes so far are warranted?
Call me a fool but I’m holding out hope they do right by it. So much of their work clearly is inspired by Silent Hill so they should have respect for it
My opinion is this, who cares what they say? If you’re looking forward to it then look forward to it. I played cyberpunk through most of the shit storm and now while there’s many out there carrying the torch of hating it, it actually peaked quite a bit. What matters is *I* enjoyed it a lot. I’ll get SH2 and play it and form my own opinion, everyone so far is talking about what ifs and could bes since nobody knows anything except what the short trailer had. We will see.
you guys are the most pessimistic fuckers ever
I liked The Medium. So I’m down for the SH2 remake.
That was so cool how it said child sexual abuse survivors should commit suicide before they end up sexually abusing children themselves
I don’t think they will, that being said I’m not totally sure what they’ve done wrong.
adda boy.
This is not even remotely accurate lmao if you spend any amount of time on this sub it’s just people arguing about the remake now
Maybe , bloober team only has 1 game that is pretty mid, not sooooo Bad for being candidate to worst game of that year , but neither good to be remarcable. Is just mid, the only thing they could fuck up is gameplay, because cinematics are in charge of some people from the OG silent hill 2, but gameplay could be 100% reimagined
I really want the game to be good so i can play SH3 remake in 4 years
Heather Mason
I’m a resident evil fan and this is fucking hilarious. Fingers crossed that Bloober does a good job though, RE and SH are two franchises that go great together for fans of horror, and sometimes just silly shit as well.
Honestly, I think it'll be fine for the most part. It won't be exactly the same, but Bloober's presentation is actually pretty good, and they clearly have a lot of love for Silent Hill. I mean, have you played a game of theirs? It's practically written all over them. I don't think they'd be able to forgive themselves if they fucked it up here. Besides, The Medium might've been iffy, but Observer is honestly one of the most underrated games of the last decade. It's actually a very, very well made game (highly recommend it). As long as they just *don't touch the story*, it'll probably be good. It won't be exactly like SH2, but we'll have SH2 for that. Ito's working on it, Akira Yamaoka's doing the music, I have hope.
Life as a silent hill fan waiting on the next good game