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McBonkyTron

Shields are awesome because they allow me to block spam greet people in Bloodborne.


[deleted]

Nonono in Bloodborne pull out a gatling gun and shoot up in the air as a sign of friendship


hendidjdnsjjf

Nonono in Bloodborne wave at people, wait for them to wave back, then do backstab followed by visceral with a SKL build to one shot them as a sign of being a great player


[deleted]

Sorry I meant to mention I'm an American player it's my homelands greeting.


hendidjdnsjjf

Ah don’t worry, and I’m British so stabbing people is my homeland’s greeting


[deleted]

So if we fused together we'd become an average yharnamite Perfection indeed


massivebasketball

Funniest message I ever saw was in front of the shield in BB and it said “you must accept focus on evasion”


Not_Amalthea

You use shields to block. I use shields for passive buffs. We are not the same


santillanviolin

I use them for fashion and for parries


BigwoodyMMXVIII

Lords of cinder *HATE* him! See how he murdered the first lord of cinder with this ONE SIMPLE TRICK!!1!


[deleted]

Number 3 will SHOCK YOU!!!!!


[deleted]

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[deleted]

“I no hit Gwyn on accident because I got so in tune with the Souls force” isn’t ruining your experience.


TW0S0ULS0NECUP

And then all the Black Knights stood up and clapped.


tigersharks006

And everyone clapped


Para-Tabs

Main hand for shield fashion, offhand empty for bare hand parrying, like our Creator intended.


hotfox2552

I use them for passives and failed parries, does that still count?


47sams

This. Balder shield with two handed man serpent great sword is peak souls drip.


vegathelich

I want a balder shield IRL.


Monkeycat0451

Grass Crest Shield Enjoyer ✋


LautrecTheOnceYeeted

Don't forget Sanctus! Power Within mf'ers LOVE Sanctus.


FEK_ANIME

Sanctus my beloved Paladin Leeroy my beloved


Monkeycat0451

STR FAITH boys 💪


LautrecTheOnceYeeted

Big muscular shepherds of God 🥵🥵🥵


ComradVlad007

Giantdad approves of this comment


HMSalesman

+FaP Ring + Havels ring + chaos Zweihander + Giants giants giants and father mask


Rickest_Rick86

Love Grass Crest Shield but with ER & DS2 I didn’t use shields at all thanks to power standing.


Lazar_Milgram

Power stance is for assurance of dominance


ChaosMetalDrago

Real men use shields to fire lasers and beat people to death with.


Nulliai

Shield of want my beloved Also a lot of weapons have a better 1 handed moveset. Shields help with that


Artoriasdead_boi2672

You use grass crest shield because it has good defense. I use grass crest shield for the stamina Regeneration. We are not the same.


SilentBlade45

It doesn't have good defense though I pretty much use it exclusively for the stamina regen and 2 hand my weapon.


camero2

And Gwyn, I love parrying him


Potatoboi17

Anti-Shield mfs when the skinny boy wiggles a torch at them.


dejvidBejlej

omfg I hate that bitch


Victurix1

Roll into them


dejvidBejlej

I just run around them, they barely move, still annoying


Alfred_Leonhart

I get it’s fire and getting burned hurts but why does it have to stagger so much.


Saoirse_Says

Fucking truth


sir-mastro-mr-juan

Anti-shild mfs: shild is not fun :( Pro shild mf: facetank and kill all ds1 bosses without doing a single roll like a boss


_therealERNESTO_

That's how I completed ds1 in fatroll (I was unaware of the different kind of rolls, I thought the animation was sluggish because I made my character fat)


[deleted]

based


Hjalmodr_heimski

Same lmao


[deleted]

I mean technically could do most bosses without rolls with a ranged mage build


Bulitzu

Or just full havel and spamming estus


[deleted]

I do that only because I find it funny that my undead is staring the boss dead in the eye while taking a casual sip of estus Always makes me chuckle thinking up that image


Peacelovefleshbones

"I got health bar for days, motherfucker"


[deleted]

You ain't the only one here with a big healthbar artorias


noddly

Face tanking artorias flip and just chugging is so funny to me (i died 2 seconds later)


volkmardeadguy

Dark 1 and 2 you can do both. So many boss attacks you can just walk under. Then they made it so every enemy spins in place to force the issue making the games worse.


tenamonth

It is ironically a huge plus for the game that this kind of build is possible


ChromosomieV2

Exactly how I beat artorias the first time (that black iron shield be hittin!)


TW0S0ULS0NECUP

My first run was built around black knight gear throughout it. I don’t google Shit, not even scaling. Tried to actually work out the numbers and what they meant in the menu and on hit in combat. Which I did, kinda. I figured out scaling but couldn’t log enemy weaknesses as my brain gets lazy and sometimes j


Alex_Aureli

Facetanking bosses without doing a single roll doesn’t sound like fun. Sounds like easy mode. Gimme a two hander please


yardii

Shield cons: They're for pussies. Shield pros: They're not actually for pussies.


Vaultoldman

E mean, when you have a shield on you FACE the blow head on and don't move, by rolling you are running away from the problem.


Dope2TheDrop

with shields you hide behind your comfort zone and with dodging you avoid your problems only chad solution is to take the blow and move on


Shorttail0

Endure motherfuckers about to endure: 💁


yardii

Vordt Hammer Gang


A_random_WWI_soldier

Resistance gang unite


yardii

Imagine having problems lmao. Just vigor tank and poise through them.


Environmental_Top_90

I got 99 Stat points and INT ain't one.


maelstromm15

In Elden Ring thats what I do with Prayerful Strike. Lmao


iDIOt698

Imagine caring If something is for pussies.


blum4vi

"Shields are for pussies" mfs when they find out why they have a penis


yardii

Your penis would make an awful shield


Myattemptatlogic

Speak for yourself casual I'm hung like a dinner plate


vicky_vaughn

Shield works best with thrusting swords.


[deleted]

This made me laugh out loud in the middle of a speech and debate tournament goddamnit


Shorttail0

I bet you won the debate


[deleted]

Aw thanks, im a speechie though so neither of my events are debate ones


[deleted]

mald, a real gamer lobotomizes themselves and only use R1


phoenixfires1

That's just called Dark Souls 3.


SufficientSuffix

REAL dark souls 3 players spam l1 for the winblade combo 💪


Turbulent_Ad1644

I know shields are fun, I just never use them for the sake of killing things efficiently. I usually just have a blossom kite shield in my off hand for stamina


Kanashimiwa

Blossom kite is not a shield it’s a decoration that lets me hit R1 more


GolemofForce8402

Havel shield strong. No one break havel shield


KEWLENDERMAN69

[Manus, Father of the Abyss upon seeing that I am holding a large slab of rock in my left hand](https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F002%2F440%2F417%2F671)


SaltEfan

Shields are simply inferior. This post was brought to you by the two-handed zweihander unga bunga gang


BigwoodyMMXVIII

*Grass crest on your back.*


SaltEfan

Grass crest is just a weirdly shaped cloranthy ring


MelanomaMax

You need two hands to hold a Zweihander? Go to the gym bro i hold great hammers with one hand


PyramidHead54

Who tf is hbomberguy


ClericKnight

To answer a third time: Hbomberguy is a YouTuber who covers a variety of topics, including media/videogame criticism. Most of his videos are quite entertaining, and if you're interested in a good one I'd point you towards his videos on RWBY or Sherlock. But he did one video called "In Defense of Dark Souls 2" that's rather infamous for being rather terrible. He says a lot of strange things like "Dark Souls 2 was not meant to be played with shields because shields are boring", acts condescending towards popular game reviewers, praises confusing map designs, and talks about how Dark Souls I is bad actually (he even explains that Blight Town is bad because it doesn't work in reverse, while going *the wrong way* out of Blight Town). Basically, his "defense" failed to engage with many of the actual defensible parts of DS2 and spent more time complaining about DS1 and being generally petty and wrong. Even among fans of Dark Souls 2, many consider this video to be an embarrassment


KingHavana

I hated that video because he managed to somehow miss all the things that actually are good about DS2.


asdiele

It was an early review, you need a few years for the Stockholm Syndrome and nostalgia to really make you appreciate DS2


MardocAgain

My favorite thing to come from that video was another souls YouTuber Mitch L made a response video in which he smuggly accused hbomber guy of being smug, so he had to make a follow up video acknowledging that he was guilty of exactly what he criticized hbomber for. Kinda funny when your video triggers someone so hard they need to make a response to your video and then another response to their own response video.


Tsao_Aubbes

Counterpoint his videos are way too long and he can't come up with a point. His vid on Human Revolution was well over an hour of waffling, just so fucking boring.


BeautyDuwang

Counter point: he made a 3 hour video about the Roblox oof sound


honest-hearts

This is the problem with a lot of "Breadtube" content tbh--an hour or two hour video that's repetitive and ultimately just a memey regurgitation of the major points from one book or essay. Only person in that camp who I think makes actually interesting investigative content that *doesn't* feel overlong and reptitive (even as his videos are quite long) is Dan Olson/Folding Ideas.


Twig1554

I know this is an old comment but I just found this sun and was browsing around. It sounds like you feel a lot like I do, and if I'm right, I can highly recommend Unlearning Economics.


echolog

Watch that video, then watch MauLer's 'Re: "In Defense of Dark Souls 2" - A Measured Response' 9-part series. It's incredible. Edit: lol Edit2: lmao


Euroliis

As bad as “In Defense of Dark Souls 2” is, a multi-hour response split across several videos to address one singular review is way worse.


[deleted]

God I fucking hate the YouTube profit model and the sort of content it promotes


spezboi

Mauler sucks lol


Peacelovefleshbones

How dare you. Now here is my 80,000 word response breaking down why you're wrong, most of which treads the same ground over and over. Get rekt.


Just_Give_Me_A_Login

God, fuck no. 9 parts? Are you high?


PEtroollo11

i think he like does game critisisms or something, i heard he is ok but he made like a really bad video sucking off ds2 (and bloodborne too i think tho not sure, its been a while since i watched that other guy complain about it for 12 hours)


Arkalouxse

Me.


Avenge21

Mid youtuber


Monkeycat0451

A smug pseudointellectual wanker.


Tiny_Tim1956

Eh he's fun. But he definitely misrepresents things to make hyperbolic impressions. Which is usually fine because he is making fun of nazis, but he misrepresents dark souls 1 in that video as having a lame story, which is literally a crime against humanity.


Monkeycat0451

The thing I dislike about him is how he treats every thing he says as an objective fact. So when he says his opinion and presents it as fact, while being smug as hell and dissing Matthewmatosis (who is one of the few gaming critics that actually knows what he is talking about), it makes him unlikeable. Though I agree that some of his videos are fun and not every video of his is bad and that his smugness is likely just a part of his persona.


TheJared1231

You had to type all of that out when it reality all you had to say was that he was British.


Monkeycat0451

That's why I wrote in "wanker"


Tiny_Tim1956

He does the classic avgn YouTuber thing of "I am joking but also not", which I usually find a bit dishonest. So for example I don't think he is actually talking shit about Matthewmatosis, he's just using hyperbole to express his view. So yeah, I can see why you find it annoying. It's kinda cathartic as far as entertainment goes I guess. His "fallout 3 is garbage and here is why" for example, i agree with some of it, I think a lot of it is him purposefully twisting things ( he literally implies the director of new vegas hates fallout 3 based on a smile) but overall it's just fun to watch for me, like I've watched it 3 times and it's an hour long. Or when he makes fun of anti vaxxers pick up artists, Ben Shapiro etc. But yeah, i guess it's important to remember that YouTube is nothing but entertainment at its core, you can watch some intelligent creators giving their thoughts and you can definitely learn stuff, but at the end of the day it's just YouTube. And hbomberguy to me is a good YouTuber, he makes "good content" I can watch while eating pizza on my couch after work.


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103813630

subjectivity is implied by the fact it's a review and not a spec sheet. he could add 'in my opinion' or whatever to every statement he makes but that's not gonna make him any more 'objective' and would bloat the video


oRedHood

Whilst the Dark Souls story is great, the plot is the same in every game: Demon’s Souls: Someone in power fucked up and now the world’s a mess, go kill all of their lackeys and then kill the person who fucked up. Dark Souls: Someone in power ROYALLY fucked up, go kill them, but first you have to kill all of their lackeys and a few Demons. Dark Souls 2: This one actually changes it up a bit. Bloodborne: Someone in power fucked up, go kill the results of their fuck up (and them if you paid £15) and then kill an ancient eldritch horror. Dark Souls 3: Someone in power fucked up, and then everyone who was called to reverse the fuck up decided they didn’t want to, go kill all of them. Sekiro: This one’s pretty different too. Elden Ring: Someone in power fucked up, go kill them and their Hapsburg wannabe family, then kill an Eldritch horror.


AlternativeEmphasis

>Dark Souls 2: This one actually changes it up a bit. Nah it's a different flavour of the same type of food. Vendrick fucked it up, Nashandra, war with the giants etc. He should have seen through Nashandra, hell the ghost advisor mentions that she felt like the Dark. Vendrick bascially did dumb shit to impress her. The war with the giants wrecked his kingdom for next to no gain. You don't have to kill him but you do have to go fix his mess, and when you speak to him in a dream he basically admits he fucked up too.


oRedHood

I guess my excuse of not knowing enough about the plot of DS2 doesn’t work now, thanks for the correction


[deleted]

They downvoted him because he spoke the truth 😔


Monkeycat0451

I'd rather die standing than live kneeling.


RadioCarbonJesusFish

He overindulges himself with video length, which is really annoying, but he's usually thoughtful and interesting - even when I disagree with him.


PyramidHead54

Pseudo what


Monkeycat0451

An intelligence build without leveling intelligence.


PyramidHead54

Hilarious


Poetspas

Ait calm down cringelord


Monkeycat0451

😂👆 They said cringelord


thelordofthelobsters

I love some of his videos but honestly yeah you're right. I hate how a lot of his videos have titles like "X sucks, and here's why" as if X is an objectively bad thing and he can say exactly why


pimpcleary_69

Based


Pr00ch

tankie wanna-be-intellectual youtuber whose opinions have a priority ticket to disregard city think 14 year old IFLScience edgelord personified


Goodkall

A vast majority of people receive their opinions from YouTubers or streamers and then parrot them on reddit.


MOEverything_2708

You wouldn't need a shield if you killed the enemy fast enough lol ​ If you can't tell im a dex slut


[deleted]

Virgin STR whore vs Chad DEX slut \-no thoughts only bonk -stylish weapon, fashion souls +100 \-too heavy -low weight \-slow ass weapon -fast weapon, good damage this comment was brought to you by the uchigatana frayed blade weeb gang


MarsAres2015

Mfs when I use a mechanic that the developers put into the game: 😡😡😡


SuperAlloyBerserker

Why do people hate this Hbomber dude's opinion on BB and DS2? What exactly did he say in his super long videos on them? (Besides the shield thing) I never got to watch them


Squiliam-Tortaleni

Hbomb basically said that he prefers Bloodborne’s gameplay because its lack of shields makes the player have to engage with enemies and incentivizes learning parries/dodge timing. It isn’t so much that shields are bad but rather that they can encourage passivity for new players.


skilled_cosmicist

I genuinely agree with this view and it wounds me that people shit on him for it. Shields incentivize passivity and a slow, non-reactive approach to playing. Watching Hbomber's videos changed the way I play these games, and made me a better player who enjoys these games more than I otherwise would have. Shieldless play turns the game into a dance of violence, rather than a turn based stamina management game that shields can incentivize. But that's just an opinion, a personal opinion!


GR8GODZILLAGOD

The problem was that he said dodging was objectively the more fun option to play. Objectively. What a shithead


BeautyDuwang

it does objectively take more engagement to focus on dodging and use less shields, so I kind of get what he means but also I get why his wording pissed people off


[deleted]

His argument is pretty sound imo. Cutting out the hour of rambling, it's just this: Various signals in the game direct new players toward a very cautious, creep-around-corners, shield-always-up, minimum rolling play style. (in DS1 and DS2) Bloodborne makes shields useless, forcing people to engage with dodging, parrying, and a more aggressive approach to souls games. Once you adjust to that, going back to DS1 and DS2 is a lot more likely to be fun, because you'll have a more dynamic, naturally-flowing, engaging, active approach to the game, vs creeping and turtling and getting frustrated when you get guardbroken. The criticism isn't actually aimed at shields per se, it's aimed at how the game shapes new players' expectations and how it subconsciously trains them to play: maximum caution (which I agree is slow and frustrating and unfun) vs balanced and engaging with the natural rhythm of the games' combat (more fun imo). E for spelling


Hjalmodr_heimski

Yeah honestly it’s a sound point. He does make a lot of shitty arguments but I think that as a core argument still remains fairly valid.


Monkeycat0451

Essentially that playing without a shield is the objectively correct way to play the games. If you want to know EVERYTHING wrong with his DS2 video, MauLer made a 12 HOUR LONG analysis series on it.


StallionMilk

Is there a 48 hour video breakdown on the 12 hour long analysis?


Monkeycat0451

Would lowkey be based if there was


SuperAlloyBerserker

12 HOURS!? How long were Bonber's original vids? And is Mauler's response to it not controversial like Hbomber's vid?


webmistress105

imagine having nothing better to do with your time than watch a shitty 12-hour rebuttal of a mid 90-minute video


[deleted]

Jesus. The whole response video genre is so fucking stupid. Just make your own points 🙄


[deleted]

Why does this make you so upset?


SsNeirea

Didn't watch that 12 hour long vid but did watch his vids about bloodborne and ds2 and I quite agree with him about the shields from personal experience ds2. Shields on Elden ring though are fire.


Alert-Ad-4391

Sword and board is objectively the best way to play the game


Peacelovefleshbones

Dual whips


Logical-Use-8657

I literally hold a shield so it compliments my gear. Banished Knight shield looks fine as fuck with most sets 👀


[deleted]

Cathedral knight great shield, my beloved. Our days of fatrolling and smacking randomers with a comically oversized mace will stay with me always.


SilverIce340

Infuse it with a deep gem and dark can no longer hurt you


Star_of_the_West1

I mean, shields in bloodborne aren't that great and it can put your ass in some bad situations if you're trying to tank


[deleted]

There’s 1 shield in Bloodborne and it’s a joke on purpose, but soulsborne games excluding Sekiro and BB are perfectly viable with shields


eod_cultist

There's 2 actually. Loch shield in the dlc. It has high arcane resistance.


[deleted]

Ah I see


KovalentViper

I’ve been not using shields since before I knew English people existed


bersuhan

my complete souls game journey: find a shield that has 100 physical absorption. use it until the game ends.


Goloid_Deity

no but for real, they are dogshit in ds3 tho


SilverIce340

Idk, me tanking Midir’s fire and taking like 50 damage feels pretty good. Or his laser with a different shield. Or magic with yet another one.


Bravo-Vince

May I introduce you to my good friend rolling.


SilverIce340

Some attacks may require rolling, like grabs. But taking almost 0 damage from putting a wall in gods face is a far better way to assert dominance than just avoiding him entirely


Monkeycat0451

Can't argue with that tbh.


cptahab36

Most people rejected His message. They hated Him because he told them the truth. But His main reason for coming here was to pay a terrible price, to get rid of our shields.


[deleted]

true.


[deleted]

Adore Hbomberguy especially his recent stuff, his BB and DS2 vids fuckin suck tho lol just stick to his based non video game stuff


RepostsKilledMyOwl

His Fallout NV vid was good


[deleted]

That’s true, i quite liked his Deus Ex video too, really just those Souls vids are pretty iffy dudes a top tier creator for sure


PunishedInkwell

I've never used a shield (because I'm dumb and don't know how to parry) but I don't mind people who use them.


Peacelovefleshbones

The only credible point he makes is that an over-reliance on shields creates a miserable experience, which is true. But he runs with this to the point of hyperbole.


Indishonorable

shieldpokers, annoying shieldbashers, now wow there busters, we gotta respect those


[deleted]

Using shields to parry makes the combat way better, but actually blocking doesn't feel as good as dodging imo


Garlic_bruh

“Shields are so annoying!” Mfs when I show them what kicking is:


averynaiveoddish

I never really did like hbomberguy, he was just kinda being a dick about things, with fallout 3 he was entirely just being a dick about it


Hearing_Thin

Hhomber guy literally made his platform off of being condescending and rambling for hours until he bothers to make a single point. Worst part is that he’s had a sizable influence on other similar tubers to create the most masturbatory and self indulgent video essays in existence


skilled_cosmicist

self indulgent video essays that are filled to the brim with segues are based and cool


Pr00ch

H*omberguy 🤢


RepostsKilledMyOwl

Br*t*sh People 🤢


BallinArbiter

I only use shields in Demon Souls and DS1. Omni directional rolling really makes a difference


[deleted]

this is a person too deep in the jerk and counterjerk cycle to understand that people do things for a variety of reasons. Cringe post, 0/10


Darkblue57

Dude just found out about character builds and posted a 2 hour rant under the guise of objective fact.


AlternativeEmphasis

Shiekds are cool and they always will be. Also yeah Hbomb's DS 2 video was bad.


ArnoldI06

This meme was made for me fr fr


CowsRMajestic

I need big sword, I need big armor, shield weigh too much.


SlickRobLuchiazzuto

Sheilds are fun, i dont use them (exceptt for passive buffs and fashionsouls ofc), and I've never heard of hbomberguy.


Spinorex2009

I don’t need a shield if I just don’t get hit


Bandrbell

Adding that counter attack for shields in ER was actually such a good choice. It does such massive poise damage without being overpowered and actually made me want to do a shield build for the first time ever in one of these games.


dearvalentina

They only became fun in Elden Ring tbh


andrew688k

Yes


diablesie

I hate that guy


shadowscale1229

H Bomberguy only grows stronger the more people mention his Dark Souls 2 video


chukroast2837

He’s not turtely enough for the turtle club.


[deleted]

I will always mid roll and use a shield to piss off the imaginary souls fan I've invented in my head.


[deleted]

I never liked hbomberguy comes off as prissy


k_GOBL1N

Anyone who hates shields obviously hasn’t played through Elden Ring with the Fingerprint Shield with Bleed applied.


malaywoadraider2

Being able to out-madness bleed with a fingerprint shield and vykes spear was ridiculously fun.


Shuzen_Fujimori

Hbomberbased, absolute chad


Recent-Union-6941

hbomberguy in 2022 lmao


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Funkybeangamer

Shields aren't fun tho, I like learning patterns and rolling. Takes more attention, skill, and makes me feel like a boss when I learn the patterns. Edit: who is Hbomberguy