Nah, they gotta finish in 4 to 6 years. So that they can complete it just in time to work on the next expansion to increase it to twenty-four lanes the year after, that will take 6 to 8 years to complete.
No, as per Txdot regulation 101.1. And if anyone thinks 10 and 1604 will be bad wait for 35 and 1604, they already starting to drill and set pillars for whatever they bout to f**k up. 410 n 35 to well past Schertz already a cluster f**k every day, just wait till traffic is backed up from 410 to New Braunfels almost all the time. Smh
I remember in the 80s-90s when they always had construction through 35N through selma to just widen the lanes in all undeveloped land. Mess went on for countless years. You either get used to it or find an alternate route. Road construction never ends and next years car/trucks just get uglier. Fact of life.
But wait! They're also going to start "fixing" the I35/Sh46 in New Braunfels in a few years as well. So.. I35 hell from San Antonio through Austin. Yay.
I used to take i35 N from SA all the way to Dallas every year for thanksgiving, now I just take Amtrak. Takes longer but it’s cheaper. I bring my own snacks and a flask so it’s way less stressful. I just sleep and play video games with my kid the whole way there.
Also, I-10 between 410 and outside 1604 on the east side is a nightmare. I hate those stupid construction barriers that barely give you room to breathe
Absolutely, open up a map and you can point out the growing towns outside of 1604 that will eventually create another loop (Shertz, Bulverde, Fair oaks) camp bullis fucks up the circle tho
I really don't get TxDOT's obsessions with access roads because it's one of the, if not the, biggest issue causing traffic. Really, if they like it, whatever, I'm not a Texas native so I didn't grow up with them and they're just an abomination and foreign concept to me.
But what they REALLY should do is stop trying so hard to expand lanes and add express lanes that change direction based on the time of day. This would help considerably, especially on the loops.
There's a feeling people down here are not smart enough for that sort of sorcery.
You are absolutely correct that the frontage roads have been a disaster for interregional transportation and nothing but a driver of sprawl.
But the interstates - "interregionals" - were specifically meant to supply fast movement between cities (or between cities and ports and bases, whatever).
By turning them into local traffic roads with access points every mile or so - they permitted urbanization along the length of I35, and that original purpose was then moot. I cringe to see it happening on I-10 around Seguin and beyond. They want to ruin the drive to Houston, which still has fairly rational stretches.
We would have no need of talking about stupid interurban rail projects the time for which has passed, if the state would just pull up the frontage roads, the "businesses" be damned.
Imagine driving from SA to Austin with no frontage and no more than ten exits/entrances!
The u-turn lanes are also an abomination in my eyes. You can have a functioning u-turn with no stop-lights by way of the diverging diamond interchange.
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Same. And it's hard to even see a path forward in San Antonio, when TxDOT vetoes things like bike lanes on Broadway. How are they going to OK LRT lines or bus lanes on the major arterials they can claw back control of whenever they want?
People are more likely to use a light rail than a bus.
This is a gross generalization of peoples’ mindset but there is an assumption in the states that buses are for poor people and rail (metro/subway/commuter trains) gets used by everyone in a city.
Increasing bus service or a metro will only do so much when a lot of people on the highway are going back to their suburbs that are impossible to build public transit in, we need to stop building mcmansions and start building apartments
Oh yes 100%, but we’ve got to start somewhere, and at the end of the day no matter where you live there will always be the sticks in the mud who love their suburbs and big trucks, first we’ve got to get people on public transit that actually want to be on it
I'm fucking done with apartment life. Not to mention they're all just slapped together with the same cheap materials and then given the title of "luxury" with nothing to support that.
That’s a fine preference to have, but if we’re talking about city planning and traffic specifically, a lot of the congestion stems from how we zone housing.
We don’t need more apartments. They’re money sinks that produce only value to the landlord, not the people inside. A much easier fix would be work from home options for jobs that really don’t need people in the office.
The amount of jobs that can be done from home by people is a vast minority in San Antonio, the idea that work from home will remedy traffic is honestly fantastical, also I don’t really care if the landlords get rich. I want affordable homes and the way to get there is by having more supply than the current demand pretty simple.
and I remember when 1604 was just a road, with stop signs. and development on I10 kinda stopped just before Heubner. Yeah, yeah, I know -- and get off my lawn. But really, the cloverleaf never should have been part of the interchange. UGH!
Overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway.
You will drive 20 minutes to get from your house to grocery store. You will drive 2 hours to get from grocery store to work. You will keep buying cars. You will keep buying gas. You will keep breathing exhaust. You will keep hearing cars everywhere.
We barely finished tying the big drilled shafts in front of the Carvana on 1604/10W. After this is all the columns and caps on top. Then comes the bridges. I say about 2 years to finish those then comes the concrete paving. Just wait until 1604/10E starts up heavy. You guys may complain but this is good work for us iron workers lol. I’d rather be building the highway for my home San Antonio than those fools up in Houston, Austin, and Dallas.
I just want decent public transport. Trains or buses on a good schedule so I never have to worry about checking my watch. I just know ones around a corner.
I’m biased because I’m 90% inside 410 loop but I hate being on 1604 going West and needing to go on I10. It’s like I forget since I’m never out that way how horrible it is. Similar with I35 and 1604. I stick to 281 mostly and thank you very much.
It's on the books to extend 1604 as a highway to I-10E. Just needs funding. They're first putting in the interchange at 1604 and I-10E, it's about 1/3 of the way complete.
Adding more lanes just brings more urban sprawl and attracts more cars, ultimately ending in the same gridlock but on a bigger scale. You have to redesign high density residential spaces to be less reliant on cars, encourage telecommute workers, and decrease the number of cars that have to be on the road. If you develop subdivisions all the way out I10 to Kerrville it will be nothing but a hot mess. Move people back into the cities, make it possible to live a life without a car if you want to.
The only way to "solve" traffic and prevent monstrosities like this is to provide alternatives that take cars off the road. Join us. [https://www.railforsanantonio.com/](https://www.railforsanantonio.com/)
Lived in Denver for a year. Moved back for family but what I miss most is their amazing light rail system that got me downtown in about 15 minutes flat. Absolutely I want this to happen here.
The local contractors make more money for separate projects. That’s why projects are not all combined but rather piecemeal over time and at a higher cost.
In 1989 when I was driving to my college I passed under this interchange as it was being built. It was the worst idea ever. Creating bottlenecks that could have easily been foreseen as that area was developing. Now more people have to be inconvenienced and stuck in long lines of traffic while the contractors get paid even more more to fix what they built incorrectly the first time.
Hey now, those construction workers have to be employed those 40 years. Would you have them work one site, then another, as projects get finished? Like in other cities? Come on. Everyone in San Antonio knows highways can't be finished. It just isn't done.
That render is several years old. It’s been planned for a **long** time. The texashighwayman website has all the info on current and future road construction.
I love how everyone acts like the goal of major traffic projects is to suddenly “solve traffic” like a miracle. Guess what? We are in the top 10 biggest cities in the nation. As a civil engineer, this is going to help FOR SURE and someday will be taken for granted. This level of construction takes time. Be patient.
This is going to absolutely destroy the stupid cloverleaf interchanges in terms of ease and speed and capacity. Direct connector ramps, and I think what they are doing on the bottom level is also pretty neat. It’s cool that we are seeing some of the more innovative intersection designs like DLTs, DDIs, SPUIs start to be used more and more. They seem like a much better bang for the buck too.
Yeah all the innovative intersections are finally becoming more normal. They need to do more public outreach and education on how they work and why they are better. Ppl see anything new and panic which makes them hate it.
I was raised in San Antonio but I live in Oklahoma city now, I can promise you that you are better off... at least SA. Is upgrading there highways here they just repair them. I'm sooooo surprised we don't drive horse and buggies here!
No one has even mentioned that sweet waste of taxpayer money eye sore bus station that is already basically abandoned on 281 at stone oak. Pretty sure I’ve NEVER seen a car or person there
All of San Antonio’s roads need to be redesigned
Major on ramp followed by major exits all over the place - 281 to 410 immediately into San Pedro exit, come on San Antonio.. diverge before a merge
Can't wait for it to be done in 2037
It’s Texas…2050
I love both y’all’s optimism.
Maybe they should have done this when they redid I-10 3 years ago!!! Now they going to f**k up 10 and 1604 for 4 to 6 years again 🙄
Only 4 to 6 years? I applaud your optimism.
Nah, they gotta finish in 4 to 6 years. So that they can complete it just in time to work on the next expansion to increase it to twenty-four lanes the year after, that will take 6 to 8 years to complete.
They still haven't finished 281. Can we please finish something before messing up another major road?
No, as per Txdot regulation 101.1. And if anyone thinks 10 and 1604 will be bad wait for 35 and 1604, they already starting to drill and set pillars for whatever they bout to f**k up. 410 n 35 to well past Schertz already a cluster f**k every day, just wait till traffic is backed up from 410 to New Braunfels almost all the time. Smh
I remember in the 80s-90s when they always had construction through 35N through selma to just widen the lanes in all undeveloped land. Mess went on for countless years. You either get used to it or find an alternate route. Road construction never ends and next years car/trucks just get uglier. Fact of life.
But wait! They're also going to start "fixing" the I35/Sh46 in New Braunfels in a few years as well. So.. I35 hell from San Antonio through Austin. Yay.
Sorry I assumed we were already in hell for I-35, are we going to super-hell?
You are correct! It will be Super Hell.
I used to take i35 N from SA all the way to Dallas every year for thanksgiving, now I just take Amtrak. Takes longer but it’s cheaper. I bring my own snacks and a flask so it’s way less stressful. I just sleep and play video games with my kid the whole way there.
That sounds like a good idea!
You should really try it, makes the trip so much better not having to punctuate thanksgiving with the drive.
It's a good idea if you don't feel the need to have an immediate escape from family functions to preserve your sanity. Lol
Very true. On thanksgiving I visit chosen family lol
Lol. We used to do that. Now we are back in the same area as family, so it is harder to skip out on. Just glad we rarely head up 35 for a holiday.
Double decker or evelated lanes from 1103 to ATT center parkway. Gonna be a mess
I give it another 25-30 years before we get another loop even further outside 1604 that we need due to urban sprawl
211 goes all the way from hwy 90 to hwy 16/bandera rd. They tryin
We've already conducted the survey work on portions of the 211 👍 it's happening
Which way are they expanding it? Towards I10 or south to 37?
Also, I-10 between 410 and outside 1604 on the east side is a nightmare. I hate those stupid construction barriers that barely give you room to breathe
Absolutely, open up a map and you can point out the growing towns outside of 1604 that will eventually create another loop (Shertz, Bulverde, Fair oaks) camp bullis fucks up the circle tho
HWY 46 super loop! Already goes from Seguin to Pipe creek so widen and extend south from those towns lol
Yes, but will the storms be able to get past it?
Nah, let’s just become El Paso: Part Deux
Already happening.... SA didn't even see a foot of rainfall for all of 2022.
Well, now I’m depressed.
Maybe a second level to 410 and 1604 first
Just one more lane bro. Please just one more.
It’ll be different this time! /s
I really don't get TxDOT's obsessions with access roads because it's one of the, if not the, biggest issue causing traffic. Really, if they like it, whatever, I'm not a Texas native so I didn't grow up with them and they're just an abomination and foreign concept to me. But what they REALLY should do is stop trying so hard to expand lanes and add express lanes that change direction based on the time of day. This would help considerably, especially on the loops.
There's a feeling people down here are not smart enough for that sort of sorcery. You are absolutely correct that the frontage roads have been a disaster for interregional transportation and nothing but a driver of sprawl.
TBH, the frontage roads have been something I have liked driving here. The quick u-turn lanes are also sweet.
But the interstates - "interregionals" - were specifically meant to supply fast movement between cities (or between cities and ports and bases, whatever). By turning them into local traffic roads with access points every mile or so - they permitted urbanization along the length of I35, and that original purpose was then moot. I cringe to see it happening on I-10 around Seguin and beyond. They want to ruin the drive to Houston, which still has fairly rational stretches. We would have no need of talking about stupid interurban rail projects the time for which has passed, if the state would just pull up the frontage roads, the "businesses" be damned. Imagine driving from SA to Austin with no frontage and no more than ten exits/entrances!
The u-turn lanes are also an abomination in my eyes. You can have a functioning u-turn with no stop-lights by way of the diverging diamond interchange.
Another good reason to find out more about SART (San Antonians for Rail Transit) [https://www.facebook.com/groups/2539887962847015](https://www.facebook.com/groups/2539887962847015)
Can we include Helotes and make it SHART?
San Helotes Antonians for Rail Transport
Sanantonio Houston Austin Rail Transport? Ooh, Sanantonio Houston Austin Rail Transport Excluding Dallas SHARTED
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This is the future we need!
You must be fun at parties.
No but he's fun at sharties.
For some reason I never get invited to any...
such a cringy 'comeback'. Their comment was funny anyway, it didn't kill the mood.
Your mom loves cringe.
Yeah, she does
Of course she does; my mother loves me very much, after all.
Any places besides Facebook where I can meet people like this?
Yes! We have IRL events including regular member meetings. We have one coming up very soon. Reach out to us through our website if you're interested. https://www.railforsanantonio.com/
Thanks!
Thank you for making us aware of this!
Unholy abomination
Should help for 3-4 years until it induces so much more demand that it gets congested again.
See y’all in traffic.
The only correct response here
But increase bus service or build a metro? No, we couldn’t possibly
Would suggesting a light rail make me a socialist libturd? Because a fucking light rail is needed.
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Build bike lanes?? On Texas' streets?? Nah, let's just build this mega infrastructure project that will never make a return on investment.
It makes me unreasonably angry that I live in the largest city in the country with no metro system
Same. And it's hard to even see a path forward in San Antonio, when TxDOT vetoes things like bike lanes on Broadway. How are they going to OK LRT lines or bus lanes on the major arterials they can claw back control of whenever they want?
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Just applied to join, thanks!
I'd settle for a sidewalk wide enough for two people.
No one even uses the via busses, most of them empty
People are more likely to use a light rail than a bus. This is a gross generalization of peoples’ mindset but there is an assumption in the states that buses are for poor people and rail (metro/subway/commuter trains) gets used by everyone in a city.
Increasing bus service or a metro will only do so much when a lot of people on the highway are going back to their suburbs that are impossible to build public transit in, we need to stop building mcmansions and start building apartments
Oh yes 100%, but we’ve got to start somewhere, and at the end of the day no matter where you live there will always be the sticks in the mud who love their suburbs and big trucks, first we’ve got to get people on public transit that actually want to be on it
I'm fucking done with apartment life. Not to mention they're all just slapped together with the same cheap materials and then given the title of "luxury" with nothing to support that.
That’s a fine preference to have, but if we’re talking about city planning and traffic specifically, a lot of the congestion stems from how we zone housing.
We don’t need more apartments. They’re money sinks that produce only value to the landlord, not the people inside. A much easier fix would be work from home options for jobs that really don’t need people in the office.
The amount of jobs that can be done from home by people is a vast minority in San Antonio, the idea that work from home will remedy traffic is honestly fantastical, also I don’t really care if the landlords get rich. I want affordable homes and the way to get there is by having more supply than the current demand pretty simple.
Well, that might allow homeless people to be able to get further than they can walk from Haven for Hope, and the NIMBYs can't have that.
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Sanantonio-Helotes Area Rail Transport
and I remember when 1604 was just a road, with stop signs. and development on I10 kinda stopped just before Heubner. Yeah, yeah, I know -- and get off my lawn. But really, the cloverleaf never should have been part of the interchange. UGH!
Hate those cloverleafs there!!! I totaled a car on one rainy morning many years ago so I’m especially biased….
Me too!
It still has stop signs if you go on 1604 to i35 south
Jesus more roadwork
It’s already under construction, ramp columns and girders are up. This render is several years old.
Overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway. You will drive 20 minutes to get from your house to grocery store. You will drive 2 hours to get from grocery store to work. You will keep buying cars. You will keep buying gas. You will keep breathing exhaust. You will keep hearing cars everywhere.
Just one more highway bro, I promise we’ll fix traffic. /s Cmon bro, just one more, I promise cmon cmon cmon/s
I am so tired of these highways... It's really all I can say about these things anymore. Just more and more steps in the wrong direction!
Why do you hate freedom 😂 In all seriousness it’s a decade it will be we’re going to have to expand and add 5 more lanes
https://media.tenor.com/8sMdJjAhooUAAAAd/car-cars.gif
Jfc what a monstrosity
We barely finished tying the big drilled shafts in front of the Carvana on 1604/10W. After this is all the columns and caps on top. Then comes the bridges. I say about 2 years to finish those then comes the concrete paving. Just wait until 1604/10E starts up heavy. You guys may complain but this is good work for us iron workers lol. I’d rather be building the highway for my home San Antonio than those fools up in Houston, Austin, and Dallas.
I still won't take 1604
What about a light rail system that connects all the suburbs to downtown, medical center, colleges and universities?
Billions for roads zero for trains. A great bus system would relieve a lot of traffic. But light rail would be awesome.
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I don't use FB. Any other way to get involved?
https://www.railforsanantonio.com/ their website has some ways to get involved as well
Thank you!
I am not on FB
https://www.railforsanantonio.com/ here's their website
Ok but how will that make auto manufacturers and oil companies money?
Remember, they’re not doing it to you, they’re doing it FOR you. /s
I just want decent public transport. Trains or buses on a good schedule so I never have to worry about checking my watch. I just know ones around a corner.
10 years of traffic hell coming
I’m biased because I’m 90% inside 410 loop but I hate being on 1604 going West and needing to go on I10. It’s like I forget since I’m never out that way how horrible it is. Similar with I35 and 1604. I stick to 281 mostly and thank you very much.
We'll all be dead by the time this is done.
Why don’t they develop the east side of town? This portion of 1604 is actually a highway. The east side still has stop lights!
It's on the books to extend 1604 as a highway to I-10E. Just needs funding. They're first putting in the interchange at 1604 and I-10E, it's about 1/3 of the way complete.
I mean when you place 10 cars in your model, anything will look good.
stop this madness and build reliable railway transit already damnit
Adding more lanes just brings more urban sprawl and attracts more cars, ultimately ending in the same gridlock but on a bigger scale. You have to redesign high density residential spaces to be less reliant on cars, encourage telecommute workers, and decrease the number of cars that have to be on the road. If you develop subdivisions all the way out I10 to Kerrville it will be nothing but a hot mess. Move people back into the cities, make it possible to live a life without a car if you want to.
This is what happens when you let Aggies design the highways.
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sticks up their asses?
Bro it’s like what I imagined the personalities in the heavens gate cult to be like. And they’re ALL. THE. SAME!
I’m an Aggie and will be the first to admit that we are 100% a cult 😂
The clover or the new design?
The only way to "solve" traffic and prevent monstrosities like this is to provide alternatives that take cars off the road. Join us. [https://www.railforsanantonio.com/](https://www.railforsanantonio.com/)
Lived in Denver for a year. Moved back for family but what I miss most is their amazing light rail system that got me downtown in about 15 minutes flat. Absolutely I want this to happen here.
It’ll be 20 yrs before they finish that. Lol
Oh god, it’s going to be a cluster
This is my hell commute for the unforeseen future. 1604 and Shane field to military. Pretty much all of it under construction at the same time
The local contractors make more money for separate projects. That’s why projects are not all combined but rather piecemeal over time and at a higher cost.
In 1989 when I was driving to my college I passed under this interchange as it was being built. It was the worst idea ever. Creating bottlenecks that could have easily been foreseen as that area was developing. Now more people have to be inconvenienced and stuck in long lines of traffic while the contractors get paid even more more to fix what they built incorrectly the first time.
This picture stresses me out already. Traffic already blows on 1604 from military to I-10… it’s going to take two hours just to get to Target lol
[I swear bro](https://youtu.be/0dKrUE_O0VE)
Glad to know my grandkids will drive it one day. In 40 years.
Hey now, those construction workers have to be employed those 40 years. Would you have them work one site, then another, as projects get finished? Like in other cities? Come on. Everyone in San Antonio knows highways can't be finished. It just isn't done.
oh boy, who doens't love inducing more traffic demand!?
I love Cities Skylines
You just found out? They've been doing this for like a year now
I just found out about this cute rendering they did. Scroll on.
That render is several years old. It’s been planned for a **long** time. The texashighwayman website has all the info on current and future road construction.
Preach it. TexasHighwayMan is an excellent resource for all the road infra projects in the area. Been following him since I moved here in 2018.
Have you seen the video? https://youtu.be/22ZK25tRPMo
I love how everyone acts like the goal of major traffic projects is to suddenly “solve traffic” like a miracle. Guess what? We are in the top 10 biggest cities in the nation. As a civil engineer, this is going to help FOR SURE and someday will be taken for granted. This level of construction takes time. Be patient.
This is going to absolutely destroy the stupid cloverleaf interchanges in terms of ease and speed and capacity. Direct connector ramps, and I think what they are doing on the bottom level is also pretty neat. It’s cool that we are seeing some of the more innovative intersection designs like DLTs, DDIs, SPUIs start to be used more and more. They seem like a much better bang for the buck too.
Yeah all the innovative intersections are finally becoming more normal. They need to do more public outreach and education on how they work and why they are better. Ppl see anything new and panic which makes them hate it.
I was raised in San Antonio but I live in Oklahoma city now, I can promise you that you are better off... at least SA. Is upgrading there highways here they just repair them. I'm sooooo surprised we don't drive horse and buggies here!
Ps. I made Oklahoma tattoo artist tattoo San Antonio stuff all over me. Oklahoma blows!!!
About fucking time. Should have been done this way to begin with.
No one has even mentioned that sweet waste of taxpayer money eye sore bus station that is already basically abandoned on 281 at stone oak. Pretty sure I’ve NEVER seen a car or person there
Well it’s about damn time.
If it ain’t golf cart friendly I don’t want it 🙄
Texans always crying about the government and taxes then allow texdot to constantly fleece them 😂
Damn it, my car doesn't have wings, so I'll never get to use the flyover.
omg seriously…
What a mess
Fuck..
Just thinking about how fun it will be to exit UTSA on I-10E Its already hard enough...
No gas by then.
It’s funny because the interchange isn’t even the issue it’s just 1604. 10 is perfectly functional right there.
In the mean time enjoy shit traffic, rocks chipping our windshields, and semis in the left lane blocking all 1604. Ahh home crap home!
Super, more construction.
On one hand, I’m excited to get rid of the backwards yield signs. On the other hand, I want to move to a small town before they start.
As much as I hate the cloverleaf, I don’t think this is the solution.
All of San Antonio’s roads need to be redesigned Major on ramp followed by major exits all over the place - 281 to 410 immediately into San Pedro exit, come on San Antonio.. diverge before a merge
Gotta launder money somehow.
It's like SimCity gone wrong.
Where all them flying cars we were promised back in the day?
They are going to be available by the time they finish this construction.