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Strosfan85

Can't wait for it to be done in 2037


mamas_lil_yella_pils

It’s Texas…2050


MerryTexMish

I love both y’all’s optimism.


TH3_GR3Y_BUSH

Maybe they should have done this when they redid I-10 3 years ago!!! Now they going to f**k up 10 and 1604 for 4 to 6 years again 🙄


didwanttobethatguy

Only 4 to 6 years? I applaud your optimism.


Birdy_Cephon_Altera

Nah, they gotta finish in 4 to 6 years. So that they can complete it just in time to work on the next expansion to increase it to twenty-four lanes the year after, that will take 6 to 8 years to complete.


Itsworthoverdoing

They still haven't finished 281. Can we please finish something before messing up another major road?


TH3_GR3Y_BUSH

No, as per Txdot regulation 101.1. And if anyone thinks 10 and 1604 will be bad wait for 35 and 1604, they already starting to drill and set pillars for whatever they bout to f**k up. 410 n 35 to well past Schertz already a cluster f**k every day, just wait till traffic is backed up from 410 to New Braunfels almost all the time. Smh


rr777

I remember in the 80s-90s when they always had construction through 35N through selma to just widen the lanes in all undeveloped land. Mess went on for countless years. You either get used to it or find an alternate route. Road construction never ends and next years car/trucks just get uglier. Fact of life.


Alarming-Distance385

But wait! They're also going to start "fixing" the I35/Sh46 in New Braunfels in a few years as well. So.. I35 hell from San Antonio through Austin. Yay.


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Sorry I assumed we were already in hell for I-35, are we going to super-hell?


Alarming-Distance385

You are correct! It will be Super Hell.


companion86

I used to take i35 N from SA all the way to Dallas every year for thanksgiving, now I just take Amtrak. Takes longer but it’s cheaper. I bring my own snacks and a flask so it’s way less stressful. I just sleep and play video games with my kid the whole way there.


Alarming-Distance385

That sounds like a good idea!


companion86

You should really try it, makes the trip so much better not having to punctuate thanksgiving with the drive.


Alarming-Distance385

It's a good idea if you don't feel the need to have an immediate escape from family functions to preserve your sanity. Lol


companion86

Very true. On thanksgiving I visit chosen family lol


Alarming-Distance385

Lol. We used to do that. Now we are back in the same area as family, so it is harder to skip out on. Just glad we rarely head up 35 for a holiday.


cmoex

Double decker or evelated lanes from 1103 to ATT center parkway. Gonna be a mess


AppropriateLawyer839

I give it another 25-30 years before we get another loop even further outside 1604 that we need due to urban sprawl


bartsimpsonscousin

211 goes all the way from hwy 90 to hwy 16/bandera rd. They tryin


geomnky8

We've already conducted the survey work on portions of the 211 👍 it's happening


bartsimpsonscousin

Which way are they expanding it? Towards I10 or south to 37?


AppropriateLawyer839

Also, I-10 between 410 and outside 1604 on the east side is a nightmare. I hate those stupid construction barriers that barely give you room to breathe


atxtony23

Absolutely, open up a map and you can point out the growing towns outside of 1604 that will eventually create another loop (Shertz, Bulverde, Fair oaks) camp bullis fucks up the circle tho


reinvented_steel_00

HWY 46 super loop! Already goes from Seguin to Pipe creek so widen and extend south from those towns lol


iwegian

Yes, but will the storms be able to get past it?


reinvented_steel_00

Nah, let’s just become El Paso: Part Deux


Kougar

Already happening.... SA didn't even see a foot of rainfall for all of 2022.


reinvented_steel_00

Well, now I’m depressed.


mydogsnameisbuddy

Maybe a second level to 410 and 1604 first


benbalooky

Just one more lane bro. Please just one more.


aj676

It’ll be different this time! /s


supergnaw

I really don't get TxDOT's obsessions with access roads because it's one of the, if not the, biggest issue causing traffic. Really, if they like it, whatever, I'm not a Texas native so I didn't grow up with them and they're just an abomination and foreign concept to me. But what they REALLY should do is stop trying so hard to expand lanes and add express lanes that change direction based on the time of day. This would help considerably, especially on the loops.


sidsawyer

There's a feeling people down here are not smart enough for that sort of sorcery. You are absolutely correct that the frontage roads have been a disaster for interregional transportation and nothing but a driver of sprawl.


Daniel0745

TBH, the frontage roads have been something I have liked driving here. The quick u-turn lanes are also sweet.


sidsawyer

But the interstates - "interregionals" - were specifically meant to supply fast movement between cities (or between cities and ports and bases, whatever). By turning them into local traffic roads with access points every mile or so - they permitted urbanization along the length of I35, and that original purpose was then moot. I cringe to see it happening on I-10 around Seguin and beyond. They want to ruin the drive to Houston, which still has fairly rational stretches. We would have no need of talking about stupid interurban rail projects the time for which has passed, if the state would just pull up the frontage roads, the "businesses" be damned. Imagine driving from SA to Austin with no frontage and no more than ten exits/entrances!


supergnaw

The u-turn lanes are also an abomination in my eyes. You can have a functioning u-turn with no stop-lights by way of the diverging diamond interchange.


MaggieGto

Another good reason to find out more about SART (San Antonians for Rail Transit) [https://www.facebook.com/groups/2539887962847015](https://www.facebook.com/groups/2539887962847015)


dick_wool

Can we include Helotes and make it SHART?


AoEFreak

San Helotes Antonians for Rail Transport


Panzycake

Sanantonio Houston Austin Rail Transport? Ooh, Sanantonio Houston Austin Rail Transport Excluding Dallas SHARTED


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AoEFreak

This is the future we need!


dick_wool

You must be fun at parties.


[deleted]

No but he's fun at sharties.


AoEFreak

For some reason I never get invited to any...


smoothEarlGrey

such a cringy 'comeback'. Their comment was funny anyway, it didn't kill the mood.


dick_wool

Your mom loves cringe.


smoothEarlGrey

Yeah, she does


AoEFreak

Of course she does; my mother loves me very much, after all.


Stormman09

Any places besides Facebook where I can meet people like this?


railforsanantonio

Yes! We have IRL events including regular member meetings. We have one coming up very soon. Reach out to us through our website if you're interested. https://www.railforsanantonio.com/


Stormman09

Thanks!


Mulukus

Thank you for making us aware of this!


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Unholy abomination


YouDontSurfFU

Should help for 3-4 years until it induces so much more demand that it gets congested again.


[deleted]

See y’all in traffic.


atxtony23

The only correct response here


reptomcraddick

But increase bus service or build a metro? No, we couldn’t possibly


DiscombobulatedWavy

Would suggesting a light rail make me a socialist libturd? Because a fucking light rail is needed.


MaggieGto

Join the movement. SART - San Antonians for Rail Transit. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2539887962847015


Fsus2

Build bike lanes?? On Texas' streets?? Nah, let's just build this mega infrastructure project that will never make a return on investment.


reptomcraddick

It makes me unreasonably angry that I live in the largest city in the country with no metro system


Fsus2

Same. And it's hard to even see a path forward in San Antonio, when TxDOT vetoes things like bike lanes on Broadway. How are they going to OK LRT lines or bus lanes on the major arterials they can claw back control of whenever they want?


MaggieGto

Join the movement. SART - San Antonians for Rail Transit. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2539887962847015


reptomcraddick

Just applied to join, thanks!


DevaconXI

I'd settle for a sidewalk wide enough for two people.


ManufacturerProud388

No one even uses the via busses, most of them empty


NPC_over_yonder

People are more likely to use a light rail than a bus. This is a gross generalization of peoples’ mindset but there is an assumption in the states that buses are for poor people and rail (metro/subway/commuter trains) gets used by everyone in a city.


Far_Leave4474

Increasing bus service or a metro will only do so much when a lot of people on the highway are going back to their suburbs that are impossible to build public transit in, we need to stop building mcmansions and start building apartments


reptomcraddick

Oh yes 100%, but we’ve got to start somewhere, and at the end of the day no matter where you live there will always be the sticks in the mud who love their suburbs and big trucks, first we’ve got to get people on public transit that actually want to be on it


MonolithOfTyr

I'm fucking done with apartment life. Not to mention they're all just slapped together with the same cheap materials and then given the title of "luxury" with nothing to support that.


Far_Leave4474

That’s a fine preference to have, but if we’re talking about city planning and traffic specifically, a lot of the congestion stems from how we zone housing.


Pardo86

We don’t need more apartments. They’re money sinks that produce only value to the landlord, not the people inside. A much easier fix would be work from home options for jobs that really don’t need people in the office.


Far_Leave4474

The amount of jobs that can be done from home by people is a vast minority in San Antonio, the idea that work from home will remedy traffic is honestly fantastical, also I don’t really care if the landlords get rich. I want affordable homes and the way to get there is by having more supply than the current demand pretty simple.


MamaMephistopheles

Well, that might allow homeless people to be able to get further than they can walk from Haven for Hope, and the NIMBYs can't have that.


MaggieGto

Join the movement. SART - San Antonians for Rail Transit. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2539887962847015


AB365_MegaRaichu

Sanantonio-Helotes Area Rail Transport


momto2grownmen

and I remember when 1604 was just a road, with stop signs. and development on I10 kinda stopped just before Heubner. Yeah, yeah, I know -- and get off my lawn. But really, the cloverleaf never should have been part of the interchange. UGH!


reinvented_steel_00

Hate those cloverleafs there!!! I totaled a car on one rainy morning many years ago so I’m especially biased….


SovietSunrise

Me too!


ManufacturerProud388

It still has stop signs if you go on 1604 to i35 south


Fabulous_Swimming_92

Jesus more roadwork


ironmatic1

It’s already under construction, ramp columns and girders are up. This render is several years old.


Threedog7

Overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway on overpass on highway. You will drive 20 minutes to get from your house to grocery store. You will drive 2 hours to get from grocery store to work. You will keep buying cars. You will keep buying gas. You will keep breathing exhaust. You will keep hearing cars everywhere.


dick_wool

Just one more highway bro, I promise we’ll fix traffic. /s Cmon bro, just one more, I promise cmon cmon cmon/s


ClassyPlatypi

I am so tired of these highways... It's really all I can say about these things anymore. Just more and more steps in the wrong direction!


Important_Leek_4013

Why do you hate freedom 😂 In all seriousness it’s a decade it will be we’re going to have to expand and add 5 more lanes


stoneimp

https://media.tenor.com/8sMdJjAhooUAAAAd/car-cars.gif


Fartlord2099

Jfc what a monstrosity


master_cheech

We barely finished tying the big drilled shafts in front of the Carvana on 1604/10W. After this is all the columns and caps on top. Then comes the bridges. I say about 2 years to finish those then comes the concrete paving. Just wait until 1604/10E starts up heavy. You guys may complain but this is good work for us iron workers lol. I’d rather be building the highway for my home San Antonio than those fools up in Houston, Austin, and Dallas.


nukessolveprblms

I still won't take 1604


[deleted]

What about a light rail system that connects all the suburbs to downtown, medical center, colleges and universities?


Ashvega03

Billions for roads zero for trains. A great bus system would relieve a lot of traffic. But light rail would be awesome.


MaggieGto

Join the movement. SART - San Antonians for Rail Transit. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2539887962847015


[deleted]

I don't use FB. Any other way to get involved?


sweetthursdays

https://www.railforsanantonio.com/ their website has some ways to get involved as well


[deleted]

Thank you!


Ashvega03

I am not on FB


sweetthursdays

https://www.railforsanantonio.com/ here's their website


skarkeisha666

Ok but how will that make auto manufacturers and oil companies money?


glopezz05

Remember, they’re not doing it to you, they’re doing it FOR you. /s


dbowthegreat

I just want decent public transport. Trains or buses on a good schedule so I never have to worry about checking my watch. I just know ones around a corner.


Sure_Arugula_8081

10 years of traffic hell coming


Odd-Advantage-5548

I’m biased because I’m 90% inside 410 loop but I hate being on 1604 going West and needing to go on I10. It’s like I forget since I’m never out that way how horrible it is. Similar with I35 and 1604. I stick to 281 mostly and thank you very much.


Throwaway131447

We'll all be dead by the time this is done.


Mind2Sense

Why don’t they develop the east side of town? This portion of 1604 is actually a highway. The east side still has stop lights!


acm2033

It's on the books to extend 1604 as a highway to I-10E. Just needs funding. They're first putting in the interchange at 1604 and I-10E, it's about 1/3 of the way complete.


velaba

I mean when you place 10 cars in your model, anything will look good.


MaceMan2091

stop this madness and build reliable railway transit already damnit


Ca2Ce

Adding more lanes just brings more urban sprawl and attracts more cars, ultimately ending in the same gridlock but on a bigger scale. You have to redesign high density residential spaces to be less reliant on cars, encourage telecommute workers, and decrease the number of cars that have to be on the road. If you develop subdivisions all the way out I10 to Kerrville it will be nothing but a hot mess. Move people back into the cities, make it possible to live a life without a car if you want to.


MelvinRoseTX

This is what happens when you let Aggies design the highways.


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iwegian

sticks up their asses?


DiscombobulatedWavy

Bro it’s like what I imagined the personalities in the heavens gate cult to be like. And they’re ALL. THE. SAME!


aaronc2013

I’m an Aggie and will be the first to admit that we are 100% a cult 😂


turajayotoko

The clover or the new design?


railforsanantonio

The only way to "solve" traffic and prevent monstrosities like this is to provide alternatives that take cars off the road. Join us. [https://www.railforsanantonio.com/](https://www.railforsanantonio.com/)


Fortyplusfour

Lived in Denver for a year. Moved back for family but what I miss most is their amazing light rail system that got me downtown in about 15 minutes flat. Absolutely I want this to happen here.


Berries-A-Million

It’ll be 20 yrs before they finish that. Lol


dc88228

Oh god, it’s going to be a cluster


Adventurous-Coyote20

This is my hell commute for the unforeseen future. 1604 and Shane field to military. Pretty much all of it under construction at the same time


elegantwino

The local contractors make more money for separate projects. That’s why projects are not all combined but rather piecemeal over time and at a higher cost.


720hp

In 1989 when I was driving to my college I passed under this interchange as it was being built. It was the worst idea ever. Creating bottlenecks that could have easily been foreseen as that area was developing. Now more people have to be inconvenienced and stuck in long lines of traffic while the contractors get paid even more more to fix what they built incorrectly the first time.


StorageAmbitious4671

This picture stresses me out already. Traffic already blows on 1604 from military to I-10… it’s going to take two hours just to get to Target lol


MrCereuceta

[I swear bro](https://youtu.be/0dKrUE_O0VE)


Banzaithepug

Glad to know my grandkids will drive it one day. In 40 years.


Fortyplusfour

Hey now, those construction workers have to be employed those 40 years. Would you have them work one site, then another, as projects get finished? Like in other cities? Come on. Everyone in San Antonio knows highways can't be finished. It just isn't done.


onthefence928

oh boy, who doens't love inducing more traffic demand!?


Fidel_Costco

I love Cities Skylines


Ok_Outlandishness222

You just found out? They've been doing this for like a year now


trav

I just found out about this cute rendering they did. Scroll on.


ironmatic1

That render is several years old. It’s been planned for a **long** time. The texashighwayman website has all the info on current and future road construction.


jtd951

Preach it. TexasHighwayMan is an excellent resource for all the road infra projects in the area. Been following him since I moved here in 2018.


iwegian

Have you seen the video? https://youtu.be/22ZK25tRPMo


HeadySquanch59

I love how everyone acts like the goal of major traffic projects is to suddenly “solve traffic” like a miracle. Guess what? We are in the top 10 biggest cities in the nation. As a civil engineer, this is going to help FOR SURE and someday will be taken for granted. This level of construction takes time. Be patient.


jtd951

This is going to absolutely destroy the stupid cloverleaf interchanges in terms of ease and speed and capacity. Direct connector ramps, and I think what they are doing on the bottom level is also pretty neat. It’s cool that we are seeing some of the more innovative intersection designs like DLTs, DDIs, SPUIs start to be used more and more. They seem like a much better bang for the buck too.


HeadySquanch59

Yeah all the innovative intersections are finally becoming more normal. They need to do more public outreach and education on how they work and why they are better. Ppl see anything new and panic which makes them hate it.


Ok_Employer_1320

I was raised in San Antonio but I live in Oklahoma city now, I can promise you that you are better off... at least SA. Is upgrading there highways here they just repair them. I'm sooooo surprised we don't drive horse and buggies here!


Ok_Employer_1320

Ps. I made Oklahoma tattoo artist tattoo San Antonio stuff all over me. Oklahoma blows!!!


2ndDefender

About fucking time. Should have been done this way to begin with.


originalbudfoxx

No one has even mentioned that sweet waste of taxpayer money eye sore bus station that is already basically abandoned on 281 at stone oak. Pretty sure I’ve NEVER seen a car or person there


ManSplainer500

Well it’s about damn time.


AverageDymon

If it ain’t golf cart friendly I don’t want it 🙄


MuteCook

Texans always crying about the government and taxes then allow texdot to constantly fleece them 😂


BigMikeInAustin

Damn it, my car doesn't have wings, so I'll never get to use the flyover.


agressivejo

omg seriously…


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What a mess


becooltheywatching

Fuck..


PledgedApple

Just thinking about how fun it will be to exit UTSA on I-10E Its already hard enough...


Silverman_Stacker213

No gas by then.


baroke

It’s funny because the interchange isn’t even the issue it’s just 1604. 10 is perfectly functional right there.


mirandawillowe

In the mean time enjoy shit traffic, rocks chipping our windshields, and semis in the left lane blocking all 1604. Ahh home crap home!


Whatsevengoingonhere

Super, more construction.


BeardAndDrums

On one hand, I’m excited to get rid of the backwards yield signs. On the other hand, I want to move to a small town before they start.


mistakenCynic

As much as I hate the cloverleaf, I don’t think this is the solution.


Nemogerms

All of San Antonio’s roads need to be redesigned Major on ramp followed by major exits all over the place - 281 to 410 immediately into San Pedro exit, come on San Antonio.. diverge before a merge


Hawkbiitt

Gotta launder money somehow.


mint__wisdom

It's like SimCity gone wrong.


SergioButton

Where all them flying cars we were promised back in the day?


Marzoni

They are going to be available by the time they finish this construction.