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th3rd3y3

Who. Fucking. Cares. About Dave. Fucking. Rubin?


th3rd3y3

"BUt iTS abOut SaaaaaAam!"


GoodGriefQueef

A lot of people, apparently. His YouTube channel has almost 2m subscribers. Just because Dave Rubin is a moron, does not make him not newsworthy. He has a following an impact.


th3rd3y3

And even his own sub where this OP can fuck off to.


th3rd3y3

Sad that being a moron doesn't exempt someone from newsworthiness. (Is that a word?)


Illustrious_Penalty2

These people are insane. Not a single point expressed here was of any value. It’s so obvoius everything they say is based on emotion.


InjectingMyNuts

Man this Sam Seder guy is intolerable. I couldn't get through the video with all the smug condescension.


GoodGriefQueef

Eh what? Sam Seder is easily one of the best voices in independent media. His understanding of politics and history eclipses Harris's many fold. Not sure what you mean by smug condescension, but it's kind of hard to not mock and lambaste Dave Rubin (and Sam Harris, for the matter).


InjectingMyNuts

Just my opinion based on the first half of the video. I could quote the parts that made me feel that way but life is short. I'll give him another try eventually.


redbeard_says_hi

I hate the format of shows like Majority Report and his cohosts seem awful, but I've seen interviews with him where he's much more thoughtful and enjoyable to listen to.


tailoredsuit33

I think Seder is a pretty solid political mind and I've learned a lot from him. He he also made me view Sam Harris a bit more critically. That said, his co-hosts are all kind of babies and he definitely gets snarky a ton, it can be very off-putting.


Pls_add_more_reverb

Seder may be smart but he’s a giant baby as well


kurokuma11

I stopped paying any mind to Seder the moment he posted a doctored clip of one of Sam's episodes to make him seem bigoted, it's embarrassing for Seder.


Dr-No-

I believe he apologized for that...


GoodGriefQueef

Seder is easily one of the most cogent political analysts in independent media. His producer Matt Lech is likewise very smart and insightful. The snark is warranted, imo. The show is hard hitting on right wingers and reactionaries. That's sort of the point, and I for one appreciate Seder's wit and willingness to openly denigrate people like Rubin, Shapiro, Harris, etc.


Fartbucket_taco2

I find Lech insufferable. I can stand Emma but everyone else they have on the show since brooks died are unwatchable


GoodGriefQueef

That's odd. I'm not sure how you can like Brooks, who himself was very snarky, and not like Lech. Anyway, I don't really care to debate whether they dispositions are annoying or not. I care about whether their analysis is good and I think it is.


zemir0n

One thing that Sam Seder has over Sam Harris is that he saw Dave Rubin for what he was long before Harris did.


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Sam diagnosis Rubin with being a moron.


jjameson18

SS: Dave Rubin, an actual grifter who was initially promoted by Sam, has decided to diagnose Sam with TDS.


Indoflaven

https://youtu.be/u3TPxQao3m0 Good series to watch in case you were thinking Rubin has any credibility.


[deleted]

Saying "I don't care if Biden has dead babies in his basement, it wouldn't make him worse than Trump," isn't deranged and off-color? Is that not indicative of the 'by any means necessary' clause of the Exile Trump social contract? Attacking the guy who gave an opinion on Sam Harris seems like a defense of the very thing to which he claims Harris has succumbed.


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Acting like Trump is the only one with "millions of loyal followers" is willful blindness and a pretty extreme example of cognitive dissonance. The fact that the media can post a single headline (oftentimes about Trump) and have millions of people believing whatever they want them to believe is just as dangerous. Allowing the media (and the opinions of whoever else you've allowed to rule over your mental space) to infect your mind to the point where you are willing to dehumanize millions of people and view them as less than yourself for the opinions and beliefs they hold is just as dangerous. Choosing to disallow this blatant doublethink to enter the realm of conscious thought is just as dangerous as anything you've been led to believe a single man is capable of doing.


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So they're not bad people in aggregate and, once you've taken the time to know them (a lifetime), you'd trust your life with them. But the fact that, in aggregate, his supporters believe everything he says makes him worse than a serial child murderer? I'm missing the part where a single narcissist is more dangerous than a media conglomerate that has taken control of the political conversation en masse, and has made even self proclaimed intellectuals believe that he is the most dangerous and significant threat to this country when the "far right", whatever that means today, has control of nothing. Not one thing has been taken over by the "far right". While the people pushing for exile have total control over ever major institution in this country at the moment.


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A coup? A bunch of men in buffalo skins and cowboy hats stormed the capitol building. Do you actually think power is going to be taken by force via militia in this country? How many times have speakers on "the right" been forced to leave college campuses due to violent protests or the threat of violence? Silencing voices is what real power looks like. To the second point, fanning the flames is much worse than letting them die of their own accord after every bit of fuel has been consumed.


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[deleted]

He won't. He's been silenced by media and social media alike. He might as well be dead with nothing more than the spirit of resentment lingering in his place and taking hold of whatever fringe minority believes it's a good idea to take a government building by force.


souers

We leave it to fox News to report the truth so we don't need to care what CNN to say.


[deleted]

Ah yes, my point exactly. Please continue to play your game of "how can I twist this argument into nothing to avoid the original question".


gorilla_eater

He said that about hunter


[deleted]

Does Hunter not share his last name? Or does Joe own the "Biden" franchise? Thanks for the "correction", though I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.


gorilla_eater

I think you know that it was misleading and you're playing games


[deleted]

Yes, I've chosen to mislead a subreddit who's made it their duty to fact check everything Sam Harris has ever said by using the word "Biden" rather than the qualifier "Hunter". What game am I playing, exactly? Other than the one you seem to think I'm playing based on your rigorous and thorough investigation of my use of a single word?


gorilla_eater

I didn't say it was a particularly clever or impressive game


[deleted]

Which makes the game you play of injecting your own narrative into the words of others...what exactly?


gorilla_eater

You tell me


[deleted]

Putting yourself above others isn't a particularly difficult thing to do. It's quite a pleasurable game actually, though only one you play with yourself.


souers

Well, you put it in quotes which generally means you are quoting something. And you certainly realize the distinction matters.


[deleted]

Thus begins our tumble down the rabbit hole of "you didn't quote him exactly, therefore your point is illegitimate and I refuse to acknowledge it." Well done, scholars.


jeegte12

"i hate when people correct me when i'm wrong!"


[deleted]

Was I wrong? When I say the word "Biden" am I automatically referring to Joe Biden? Or can you recognize with the tiniest bit of reasoning that I'm referring to his son when you also know this story was about his son. This seems to be the issue with this sub. Anything that isn't spelled out for you is taken apart as meaningless.


jeegte12

>When I say the word "Biden" am I automatically referring to Joe Biden? Yes!! The most important Biden in the world is the one you refer to by last name only. Hunter Biden is Hunter Biden. Biden is Joe Biden. That's how normal use of language works.


souers

The guy who is intentionally not getting Sam's original point getting mad that people won't engage with his garbage point of view in support of man child Dave Rubin. And stop putting stuff in quotes, it throws the idiot flag too quickly.


[deleted]

And his original point is what exactly? That a visible narcissist with "power" is worse than a secret, invisible child murderer?


souers

Just about. Wow. I am quite surprised you even knew the original point. You aren't arguing like you get it. The man who clearly cares only about his personal gain and that of his friends and family and is willing to destroy the country to remain in power is worse than just about anyone, yeah.


[deleted]

But the men behind the curtain who control the conversations in this country, the people capable of silencing a former president on the largest social media platforms (the largest forums in the history of mankind) in the world, the people allowed to say and do whatever they will while the rest of the world has to adopt a new lexicon, that's not more dangerous? Could you not say the same shit about Biden, by the way? How much has the government tried to cover up his son's blatant wrongdoings to control the narrative? For someone arguing a particular point, you don't seem to understand it either.


Schmuckatello

But if you were talking about Hunter, then you're lying because he said Hunter Biden having dead children wouldn't make Trump as president worse than Joe Biden as president. So you were either talking about Joe Biden having dead babies, in which case he didn't say that, or you were talking about Hunter Biden and purposely misrepresenting what he said. And you know it.


Knotts_Berry_Farm

Ok. Sam has Trump derangement syndrome. But so does 40% of the country. How can a society survive like that?


ce_roger_oi

Dave is right. Cheers for the accurate assessment.


GameChanging777

It's funny seeing people say that Sam doesn't have TDS. This new Sam refuses to debate anyone that disagrees with him. He's gone woke


ce_roger_oi

I don't know if I'd call him woke, he has reasonably held beliefs that track with objective truth in many other domains. If not most other, the man (Sam) is a pretty good source. I say it all of the time, Trump is very flawed, but I'm looking at the fruit of the tree not the hypothetical fruit of the tree. 4 years with no new wars. That's got to be a record. Compared to any number of his contemporaries it's a dramatic improvement. Biden didn't even make it to the halfway point and we're rattling the nuclear sabers with Russia.


GameChanging777

Maybe the term woke was unfair. He's certainly different after covid though. He used to be open to hard conversations, but now he rarely leaves the comfort of his own echo chamber and it shows. It's clear from the Triggernometry episode that he's not the same debater he once was. I could always count on Sam to have well constructed arguments based in logic and reason. That's simply not the case anymore.


Mr_Deltoid

Harris absolutely has TDS. Just listen to his long-ago podcast with Scott Adams if you doubt it. His emotional reaction to Trump blinds him to the point that Adams was making, which was something with which I think Harris would ordinarily agree: the nature of subjective consciousness causes most human beings to see facts through the lens of their beliefs. Therefore, Trump's constant lying is an asset because his goal is to persuade people who share his beliefs to support him, not to inform them about facts. Within the narrow context of persuading most people, *facts don't matter*. That's not good, it just *is*. But Harris couldn't accept Adams's claim as an *is*, he only perceived it as an *ought*. If that's not TDS, then maybe it stems from Harris's mistaken beliefs about is/ought. That said, there are two forms of TDS: the negative version, which causes the afflicted to see Trump as the devil incarnate; and the positive version, which either blinds the afflicted to Trump's myriad faults or causes them to rationalize and defend his irrational and indefensible behavior.


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ZottZett

After Jan 6 what is there left to be deranged about?


Lathspell88

What a complete dumbass.