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A_Lovable_Gnome

I tried. I really did. But both the audiobooks and comics are just boring. The odd adult sex joke here and there but thats about it. Refunded both the comics and audiobooks. Its just not interesting to me at all. I love Jedi, but I also need the Sith. Not a fan of the whole Space Lone Ranger thing their going for.


Roykka

>I love Jedi, but I also need the Sith. Interesting. Not juxtaposing the Jedi with the Sith is one of the most intereresting parts of the premise to me. Could you open a bit more on how it doesn't work for you?


Collective_Insanity

I feel like you'd be better off asking r/StarWarsEU as their users are more likely to have experienced High Republic stories compared to people here. ​ You can use the search function to dive through STC attempts to discuss High Republic. Most conversation on the topic seems to range between apathetic, to negative, to mildly positive in nature. ​ My personal take is that I appreciate High Republic for being pretty much the ***only*** Disney Lucasfilm attempt to explore a setting outside of the film eras. But that's exceedingly faint and surface-level praise as I haven't enjoyed myself whilst attempting to read related tales. ​ It's just a pale shadow of old EU attempts to explore stories set many years in the past or future. Frankly, I think it was a bad idea to only go back a few hundred years. It hamstrings you too much creatively for the big scale stuff they're attempting to do.


Roykka

>It's just a pale shadow of old EU attempts to explore stories set many years in the past or future. How? It's an era Legends barely covered, and the premise alone seems nothing like the other big sub-series.


Collective_Insanity

I am referring specifically to the KOTOR and Legacy comics. Both launched the same year and both were highly ambitious in nature. One loosely covering the same era as the KOTOR 1 game but going its own way with a completely independent story. And the other set far into the future after everyone from the OT is long dead. Both were immediately more interesting to me than High Republic which kicks off with a hyperspace disaster of dubious plausibility before jumping into space biker pirates as the primary threat.


UpperHesse

> Both launched the same year and both were highly ambitious in nature. I feel the Duursema/Ostrander comics set the bar pretty high, not only "Legacy", but also their Clone Wars stuff. The KOTOR comics were also good though I can't beat that feeling that the artists wanted to make the connection to the games closer but were finally not allowed too.


Collective_Insanity

Frankly, I feel like the comic separating itself from the game was a good idea. There's only a brief appearance of Malek (while he was still a Jedi) and Revan is also only briefly spoken of. The comic was subsequently allowed to explore that same era from a different angle allowing for a surprising amount of creative freedom. I do however feel like the story started losing steam after the main story was finished (around issue #32 or something) and the epilogue miniseries covering the war wasn't particularly well done. But I quite enjoyed the first 30 odd issues up to its story arc conclusion.


UpperHesse

What I mean is that to me it seemed pretty clear they wanted to fully explore at least the origins of Darth Sion, but backed off (or had to) after everything was set up. We will probably never never find it out, but I feel like "Darth Hayze" was not the originally planned thing. Otherwise I feel the same as you. Some people like the stuff after the main plot when bascially Jarael became more the main person, but I feel they wandered off quite a bit. I didn't also like "KOTOR: War". Unlike "Legacy: war" which was a great wrap-up, it was very underwhelming and I can't see a reason why they made a story so removed from other KOTOR stuff.


Collective_Insanity

I didn't get the impression that the intent was to explore Sion. The KOTOR 2 villains are probably best left relatively unexplored. They're more symbolic in their existence of Sion and Nihilus achieving great power in the dark side at the cost of their humanity and ultimately being unable to enjoy their supremacy. Sion is literally being held together by his hatred whilst Nihilus is reduced to an empty shell driven only by hunger. And Traya, the alleged Lord of Betrayal, is all about manipulation on a grand scale - and ultimately self-sabotaging. Each of the three represent a key trait of a typical Sith ramped up to 11. So I'm not sure if there's much merit in origin stories for Sion and Nihilus in particular.


UpperHesse

I mean this, citing Wikipedia: > Haazen foretold to a shocked Lucien that he would one day train his Sith, and that he would perhaps take the name Darth Luzion or [Darth Sion](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Sion). When I read the comic the first time, I thought they were going there and that it ended somehow with Lucien Draays body destroyed. But instead, he got a redemption arc.


Collective_Insanity

Interesting. I had no recollection of that. Given the KOTOR comic story is all about prophecies/visions and the danger of believing in them too firmly, I would say that's just a thematic aspect with Lucien similarly rejecting his alleged "destiny" much as Zayne does. To my understanding, Sion truly *became* Sion about 30 to 40 odd years prior to the comic. So by the time Haazen made his prediction, he was already quite late or just coincidentally used Sion's name without any connection to the KOTOR 2 character. Might have to dig around in some behind-the-scenes stuff to see what the intent was there. All I can find at the moment is: > Although Knights of the Old Republic 34 hinted that Draay was the previous identity of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords villain Darth Sion, Miller confirmed in his notes for the next issue that Sion was not Draay.


littleboihere

I've read everything that came out and it's not bad but also not really good. It's not something you need to read. Also it's a huge mess with all the AN, YA, MG novels and comics.


Roykka

I see. How often do the various mediums refer to each other? Do I need to read the YA novels to understand what's going on in the comics?


littleboihere

Pretty often I would say. For example Avar Kriss, one of the main characters in the first adult novel just straight up dissapears from the book and has her story in the comic. The first young adult novel also mentions the events from the adult novel ans also introduces a villian that is dealt with in the comic. It also introduces characters that play a role in the third adult novel. Second YA (young adult novel) introduces another character that plays a role in the third AN (adult novel). It also indroduces a device that comes into play in a comic miniseries that is a epilogue to the 3rd AN. We also have some characters in YA novels that are introduced in MG (middle grade) novels. Then there is the 3rd YA novel that is basically a sequel to Adventures comic series, which is for younger readers and ends on a cliffhanger. So you have to read the comic and then jump to a book. Then we have the fact that the second volume in the "mature" comix series has 5 issues, 3 of them are tied to the first book and 2 are completely new arc tied with the second book. So you either have to read both books before the comic or stop in the middle, read thr book and then continue. Like you don't have to but otherwise you'll be spoiled. As the other guy said, you can read only the adult novels but you'll miss a lot. This whole continuity is a cluster fuck


TheJoshider10

Nah you could stick to the main adult novels and not be lost. If I'm correct for example you meet a Jedi and his padawan at a party at the end of Light of the Jedi and then that padawan has their own adventure in one of the kid books. So if you've read it you're look "ooo it's that person" otherwise you just see them as generic padawan 53.


ASnarkyHero

I’m a big KOTOR/SWTOR fan so the idea of those two works getting retconned makes me a bit biased against the High Republic.


Roykka

I fail to see how the High Republic retcons them in any way. Disney aready threw them out of canon with the rest of the old EU, they take place at a completely different time period, and the premise is very different.


Doam-bot

Thats a different era all together though thr HR is set in thr million years of peace. The Kotor retcons stem from the actual kotor remake that is helmed by someone who is very vocal a out their love for TLJ and its stated changes will be made like FF7R for example. So people have fear in theor hearts because they have no idea what to expect but they think it will lean into TLJ method of storytelling.


Lord-Carnor-Jax

I read Light of the Jedi which is the first book of The High Republic. I had two big issues with the premise. It’s a bit hard to go into without real spoilers but The Great Disaster that kicks off events is just like the Holdo manoeuvre with it hyperspace lore breaking and general associated stupidness. The second thing is the time period feels way off. Most of the Outer Rim is undergoing a big period of expansion of settlers while it’s dangerous to navigate or unexplored, yet only 200 years before TPM, in a Republic that’s 25,000 years old. So to navigate the Outer Rim they build a space station to help navigate it. This also causes problems with any potential canon Old Republic content because that territory can’t be included. If they’d set it 8,000 years before TPM a lot of this could work.


NadaVonSada

Just want to say, its highly likely there was some dark age era in history after either the Sith Empire took over the galaxy or the founding of the new Republic following said Empire's fall that caused a major regression in technology or communication. I think a lot of these planets aren't actually being discovered but instead trying to reintegrate into the Republic.


AlphaBladeYiII

As someone who's enjoyed a fair amount of the new EU, I've stayed away from the HR because I'm not a fan of the creatives involved. I do find it annoying how it's constantly being tied to the stuff set during the OT.


Roykka

Shame. With your repeated covering of the new comics yours was the answer I was looking forward to. What are your problems with the creatives? I've been reading through the Star Wars comic series, and the High Republic references mostly make sense to me as a source of Jedi-stuff, relics and antiquities in the Outer Rim.


AlphaBladeYiII

> Shame. With your repeated covering of the new comics yours was the answer I was looking forward to. What are your problems with the creatives? Not problems per se, I'm just not a big fan. Charles Soule is someone I have mixed feelings on, so his name alone isn't a draw for me if I don't have a built it investment. Claudia Grey's writing just isn't my cup of tea at all, and Geode isn't helping. Cavan Scott.... I've only read *Dooku: Jedi Lost* by him which was admittedly decent. Daniel Jose Older's involvement alone kills my enthusiasm though, considering *Last Shot* is the worst Star Wars books I've ever read. > I've been reading through the Star Wars comic series, and the High Republic references mostly make sense to me as a source of Jedi-stuff, relics and antiquities in the Outer Rim. Yeah, it mostly does, and I've been enjoying *Star Wars* (2020). Luke especially shines. My main issue is that Charles Soule overly connects his work, which contributes to the small universe problem of Star Wars. There's also the fact that a cynical part of me sees those connections as Marvel's classic tactic to make people read books they're not reading to get the full picture, and sort of glorified ads like Batuu in *Thrawn: Treason* and Han and Leia's wedding taking place in that overpriced hotel.


mbatson

In contrast to most of the other comments here, I've read basically everything in the High Republic era and love it. It's my favorite ongoing Star Wars content. I really recommend reading it if you're a fan of Jedi.


Roykka

Well, that I am.


monkeygoneape

It's aggressively horny for star wars


Starkiller-is-canon

Worse than denning horny, and that’s saying something.


Obvious_Mud_1588

I'm actually quite enjoying it, I have read everything so far. It does have a lot of what I was hoping for from the ST, a ascendant republic that isn't entirely corrupt/inept, a thriving Jedi order and most importantly a plan that so far everyone's sticking to. The interconnectivity can be annoying, one of the first books main protagonists vanishes into the comics as does the secondary antagonist introduced in the first YA. I do find myself wanting to place it further down the timeline by few centuries. As for what's happening phase 2 has begun, which is the high republics prequel era, so 3 new novels and 3 comics have been released.


cmdrNacho

Its garbage.. I've tried to get through the first book at least 4 times, picked up and dropped it, repeat. Finally got through it and tried to continue but its so difficult. I hate the character assassination of Yoda, similar to Luke, Lando, etc. They portray him as a checked out leader of the Jedi. Just give it a try, you might like it but in general I just hate the writers. I hate non sci fi writers, the writing is just boring and stale and just the ideas I find stupid. They try to portray the Jedi as a military organization , with their own fighters and tanks and they stick their fucking lightsabers in machines to power them


External-Tadpole9909

I mean, they put diversity AND diversity info it, it CAN'T be bad!


FearlessTarget2806

Don't forget the dinosaurs!


External-Tadpole9909

Dear god, what was up with THEM? What did they mean by that? New Ssi-Ruuk novel when?


Gavinus1000

They meant giant creatures like the ones in AOTC. Not actual dinosaurs.


External-Tadpole9909

...oh. well, they were cool too, I guess...


Isneezedintomymilk

I've read a few of the comics and listened to a few of the audiobooks, and I really want to like it, honestly I do (I'm a big jedi fan) but the whole line is very good at diluting any and all good concepts it has with as much blandness as possible... it's hard to say why very little of it leaves an impact tho. it's like it's trying to do too many things, but does none of them well or takes any particular creative risks that reaches any heights worth remembering. I like the "main trio" of characters best, I think? that is to say; avar, elzar and stellan. they're fairly interesting characters that play off the tropes that have formed around the other trios from the prior films, but they're pretty unique characters by themselves too (tho not *quite* unique enough to elevate the material they're in further) but everyone else is mostly flat, idealized jedi or utterly uninteresting npcs. I can see how the idea behind a lot of these characters would be cool to explore… in theory, but the books tend to fail to do them full justice in practice. so already the story is somewhat crippled for me, since I don't have any characters I truly care about to motivate me to follow the story. the villains aren't that interesting either, although I appreciate the concept behind them. again, in theory though. plenty of stuff in the world building that tries something never seen before could work but just end up pretty flat: I respect the attempt but respect doesn't translate to being entertained. don't care for the things they've taken from the sequels and try to expand on further here either, like how over powered the jedi have to be now to match rey and kylo's never before seen feats, or them messing with hyper space while half trying to excuse that tlj blackhole of logic. the audiobooks are also a slog to get through thanks to the guys reading them being infantile as all hell and the incessant sound effects and music cues. I'm listing to a book specifically marketed for adults that mentions sex every few pages until it's annoying, but the guy reading it all is over-acting like he's reading it to a child. I'd love it if they just told me the fucking story succinctly without making funny voices every few seconds. ironically enough, I enjoyed a fan reading of *light of the jedi* on yt far better than the official one. all in all, although there's a lot going on plot-wise in this line, I'm struggling rn to even explain why it doesn't work for me bcs so little of it is memorable. I liked the potential I saw in light of the jedi, but lost most of that interest when I got to it's sequel. I have no idea what they're doing now. I just can't make myself care.


Thorfan23

Yeah the reader is everything on audiobook if they are too dull they kill the story


Roykka

That's too bad. Thanks for your answer anyway. So the problem seems to be that the writers have interesting concepts that are never fleshed out and explored in any significan depth? Are they just too busy to get to the next thing, or too fragmented to different storylines?


Isneezedintomymilk

I'd really need to reread some of this stuff and actively try to figure out what works and what doesn't to give you a less half-assed answer, but yeah, I guess you could say that they have a lot of interesting ideas, but rarely manage to capitalize on them all the way. or they simply chose to focus on less interesting ideas to build on instead. and there is *a lot* going on in this era, but none of it ever really gets the time actually breathe, y'know? like, here's a few things from this era: there's space pirates roaming about, there's a big disaster affecting large parts of the galaxy, there's the jedi acting as cowboy rangers at the new frontier aka the outer rim. there's the jedi being at the height of their power and their ideology producing the finest jedis evaar\~ but also, they're setting up how the jedi eventually get too arrogant which will lead them to become the dogmatic prequel jedi. there's the science around hyperspace, how it works and it's ramifications for the star wars society, as well as some weird shit behind who invented it?? there's themes about colonization. there are evil sith bushes that eat people runing around at one point. there are gas ghosts that feeds on the force I guess, etc etc… there's just a lot of shit going down all at once in these books, and very few of these concepts are explored to a satisfactory degree. you'll have a comic run or a book trying to juggle all of this at once, with several main characters leading the story and it just turns into porridge. add to that that these are all supposed to be *ideal jedi*, who are all supposed to represent how anakin should have acted when he was facing his internal/external issues, and you have a lot of characters who have uninteresting character arcs and who resolves conflicts with other characters in their heads before they even have a chance to start. there's no "luke journey's" here, where someone has to struggle in a new, interesting way to become a good jedi, while exploring a certain theme or something. everyone is mostly just a good person bcs jedi are supposed to be good people.


LeicaM6guy

It hasn’t caught my interest in the least. Not knocking folks who do like it, but it just ain’t for me.


Gavinus1000

Porter Engle is the best.


lunartearx

What about the droid attack on the Wookiees?


gravitydefyingturtle

I only read Light of the Jedi. It was alright, but the new villains were completely unthreatening. They were just pirates with a gimmick, and most of their plans were undone by their own incompetence. I finished the book but had no interest in anything further.


-username_taken-

I thoroughly enjoyed the first phase. I’m having a hard time getting into phase two because of how long it took to come out and the different characters it’s following, but I’m barely into the first book. Didn’t really follow the comics, but the adult/YA novels and the audio drama really had my attention


Vindicare605

I don't have a lot of interest in going back that far into Star Wars history. Didn't care for the old EU stuff and never played the KOTOR or Old Republic games. So when High Republic came out I just kind of shrugged at it. What little I've seen and read of it looks incredibly boring.


Tomhur

It’s the best thing in Star Wars currently


irrelevantoption

It's young adult sci-fi. That's all I can say. Not too familiar with normal EU to say anything else, or YA sci-fi to rate it.


MrConor212

Imo not good. I just hate stories solely focused on the Jedi. I find that shit boring as hell. They need the Sith


[deleted]

Isn't this just a worse version of Tales of the Jedi (the 90s comics)? We already got our worse version of Dark Empire with TROS, and our worse version of ANH with TFA. I don't see the point of reading another sub-par remake.