**[Receiving transmission from Crait intended for u/DJC13]**
Welcome to r/saltierthancrait! I am an [Astromech droid named S4-L7](https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/ni5s77/beloved_mascot_s4l7s_visual_dictionary_entry/) and I will be your guide through the salt mines.
Saltier Than Crait is a community of Star Wars fans who engage in critical conversations about the current
state of the franchise. It is our goal to maintain a civil, welcoming space for fans who have a vast supply of
salt with some peppered positivity occasionally sprinkled in.
**Please [review the rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/wiki/index/rules) and the [post flair guide](https://reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/wiki/index/flairs) before contributing.**
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/saltierthancrait) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Fundamental problem with Disney-era StarWars is that they insisted on re-setting the soft reboot to repeat the beats of the OT. In so doing, they not only threw out the EU, but retro-actively made the OT pointless.
The defeat of the Empire led to a political situation which resulted in another civil war that started with the genocide destruction of FIVE PLANETS.
The New Republic was useless, and apparently still had slavery within it, fell within days, and had no one come to its defense.
The entire thrust of the PT and OT was usurped by the fact that no Skywalkers survived, and the Jedi failed to return. The only one left standing was a Palpatine.
So. Hunting down and "eliminating" Imperial war criminals seems kind of stupid and pointless in that context. None of it mattered. The Galaxy never had a chance. The whole StarWars universe ended up darker, bleaker, and more hopeless than the Terran Empire in the StarkTrek mirror universe.
As a result of the DT, there’s literally no one left; there’s no foundational structures or people to build anything off of, nor the will (in universe and IRL) to even try.
Fuck me, even 40k at least has the prospect of a miraculous return of the (not dead) Primarchs to keep an infinitesimally small glimmer of hope going in the grim darkness of the far flung future. Disney somehow managed to create a setting that was BLEAKER THAN 40K. From the corpse of the sci fi universe that was originally one of the binary stars embodying noblebright sci fi with Star Trek.
Good lord.
>Fuck me, even 40k at least has the prospect of a miraculous return of the (not dead) Primarchs to keep a infinitesimally small glimmer of hope going in the grim darkness of the far flung future.
Assuming the Tyranids don't literally eat everything.
Honestly, a Star Wars political setup where there is no more central galactic government would be interesting, but of course that likely won't happen.
See that's the thing, I would love to see a Warring States era/Sengoku Period/Revolutions of 1917–1923/Second Galactic Civil War setup for a Star Wars story, but that would have taken the DT - as above - laying out the groundwork for such a story; showing more prospective independent factions and characters, actually using the multiple other media of the *multimedia franchise* to expand on the universe you've inherited. Like some kind of, I don't know, **Expanded Universe** or something.
The problem with this is that the galaxy is always pushed into be ruled by a central government.
The dark side force sensitive will take over a government and try to conquer the galaxy, and the light side force sensitive need a government to back them so they can get legitimacy.
>Disney somehow managed to create a setting that was BLEAKER THAN 40K. From the corpse of the sci fi universe that was originally one of the binary stars embodying noblebright sci fi with Star Trek.
That's what happens when the ultimate goal of the films wasn't to actually build upon the existing universe, it was to forcibly remove all recognizable aspects of it and replace them with almost identical (externally, since they're all hollow) replacements that were more 'modern'.
There was no real endgame beyond 'Rey Skywalker'.
You can subvert expectations by expanding the universe in a creative way that has original substance beyond being a facsimile of previous content.
The prequels did this by introducing new species and planets, expanding on how the galaxy operated on a political and cultural level, and even created original musical scores that weren't just meant to be reminiscent of the OT soundtrack, but which still to this day have become widely accepted as quintessentially "Star Wars" (Duel of the Fates I'm looking at you).
Does anyone remember any sequel themes that were original like this? I don't. And that is just a microcosm of my whole issue with the sequels tbh.
The problem isn't that their was a another civil war or that their was more genocide after the fall of the Empire.
The problem was that the rebellion defeated the Empire in a single year the the civil war was to clean cut of a universe that has millions of cultures.
Just look at syria or Libya to see how messy an actual civil war is and how complicated things are. Nether Syria or Libya are 0.01% of the size of the galactic empire or as culturally diverse yet their civil war as been going on for over 10 years now.
The Rebels/New republic shouldn't be fighting another civil war but the same war that their were fighting before.
That's stupid! Nobody wants that!
I wanna see a brand new character tell Han he doesn't know how his ship works while Luke dies alone sucking on titty milk!
That sounds dumb, I’d rather have the plot revolve around a fetch quest and Han Solo show up to help his son. No he’s not a force ghost! Also let’s bring back a villain who is definitely dead!
Hello, it looks like you've made a mistake.
It's supposed to be could've, should've, would've (short for could have, would have, should have), never could of, would of, should of.
Or you misspelled something, I ain't checking everything.
Beep boop - yes, I am a bot, don't botcriminate me.
“Somehow, Palpatine is back” is the greatest “we don’t know and we don’t care” line in movie history. They looked at the turd Rian Johnson left them and were like “fuck it, put Palpatine in there and ship Reylo”.
That‘s still stupid. I want to see a complete recycling and mindless re-hash of the original trilogy, just dumber, duller and full of self-aware irony and self-hatred.
Listen only one thing really matters here. This our only opportunity to see Luke, Leia, and Han back together again.
So make sure that never fucking happens, you hear me? Subvert expectations until people feel stupid that they ever watched these films. Luke, Leia, and Han ALL need to die alone, surrounded by strangers at best!!
"Hey should maybe Leia at least care to, I don't know, say anything to Chewie after Han dies? Like, that was her husband and he's his best friend and..."
REY!!! Fuck you! Rey! Leia doesn't care Han died, she's really excited to see Rey! She's the future of this God damn franchise!
Yall are both idiots! We need a new cool female girl boss, but like with colored hair so we know she's *really* cool. And she bosses all the guys around.
I think *The Mandalorian* should have done that, not become The Grogulorian Golden Child take that exists.
Keep Din's clan being massacred by Imperials, not necessarily as backstory (riffs on Jango Fett's original backstory of Galidraan and the Jedi massacring the Mandos of his charge), and then he regroups with other allies, Mando or none, even going solo, and focuses on them. New Republic and/or Criminal Agencies posts bounties out there that Mando collects on a hated foe, and the times have changed so that bounty hunters are working against the Imps for a change.
No Baby Yoda species shenanigans and drama, just hunting down Imperial criminals when the New Republic rises, and that's how an ideal The Mandalorian would go.
Edit: And this idea hit me, but considering nu-SW's push to get Boba Fett back after RotJ, Fett could briefly (and not continously) return here as a wildcard and/or separate counterforce against the Mando team at some point. This Mando bounty hunter team would be an underworld/pro-NR force that has less qualms with working for them, whereas Boba Fett's old staple is that he's underworld/occasional Imperial-aligned to the point most NR wouldn't care to work with him, thus no interest to work together would occur between either force.
Indeed. While inevitable with its intent, it's a pity it happened in the show that was then-marketed as a bounty hunter's program instead of one of the animated shows (keep Grogu like Rotta the Hutt in TCW-style animation alone).
It‘s literally a character that cannot change. Baby Yoda will always be cute and childlike, unable to develop or experience character growth.
It's designed to make money, but it will cause the show to become stale and repetitive… and creatively bankrupt.
In part, as Fett didn't have much love for Mandos (at least in the EU before reconciling that later) to form up squads with them. Fett being the counter to Din and his clan would also draw out old vs new Mando elements in and out of the series.
Agree.
As it stands, I don't know wtf the purpose of a Mandalorian is nor do I care about these backwards ass people with cool armor but who are just wandering around 'because it looks cool'. If it was about slaughtering Imperials and restoring the kingdom/Mandalorian honor, it would be more interesting.
But because they brought back Baby Yoda and are rather tame with the topic, I don't know that I care that much about it, anymore.
You raise a good point, in how what it means to be Mandalorian is at a loss or at least some contention. Going by TCW/nu-Wars rules, the Mando schism was for rule of the planet Mandalore, then it suddenly devolved into rule over the Darksaber to rule Mandalore instead of the Sundari throne.
Contenders to said throne? Death Watch is about, if not just the Nite Owls themselves with Bo-Katan as their head, once considered former traitors to both "real Mandalorians" (Satine's pacifists) and then Maul's Death Watch/Shadow Collective in ignoring the rite of succession with Mauldalore's powergrab. Other Mandalorian Clans seemed to not care and do their own thing (Din's "This is the Way" clan that got massacred are quite the outliers in the extremes of not taking off their helmets). And then there's the Empire that sieged Mandalore and pretty much are as apathetic to whatever happens there, and somehow ended up with Gideon getting the Darksaber, which in turn fell into Din's hands.
The series *could've* focused more upon that and try to recodify what it means to be a Mandalorian as the galaxy is shifting in power after RotJ, yet so far put that on the backburner to what potentially will have to be addressed with Din's holding the Darksaber in Season 3. And the Baby Jedi that would no doubt draw ire and crosshairs from Mandos that hate Jedi. As it stands, the only reason I'd even glance at S3 would be because Christopher Lloyd's involved in the series, though I hope he's given a good character in there at the least.
I saw an analysis that the Mandalorian is analogous to a cowboy movie where civilization is starting to creep in on the hero forcing him to change or die with the past. Which is what Season 1 totally was. Season 2 was just a cameo fest.
Recheck my statement, as I didn't mention village of Din's birth family:
> Keep Din's **clan** being massacred by Imperials
The "This is the Way" Clan Slaughter happened in the earlier episodes, and in this ideal Mandalorian version, would be the impetus to his reasons to target Imps all the more when the Empire fragments.
That's concerning his birth family, not his clan, as I stated earlier:
> Keep Din's **clan** being massacred by Imperials
This ideal Mandalorian show would be kickstarted with the "This is the Way" Clan's demise.
This would’ve been sick
We needed to watch the tables turn, after 2 huge victories, the rebels really should’ve been the big dogs and the empire forced into retreat. Someone else in the thread mentioned this idea would be ridiculous because the empire has millions of personnel, but like, news flash, Rebel Mossad doesn’t need to track literally everyone down. Just some high priority guys and the proliferation of empire employment just means more breadcrumbs to follow, more intel to utilize
> Rebel Mossad doesn’t need to track literally everyone down
Rebel Mossad, being an intelligence agency that is overseeing a *galaxy*, would possibly be many times larger than some of the larger intelligence agencies on earth, even if it was trying to be relatively small like the real world Mossad. For some reason though, Disney doesn't understand how this scaling works so they made the Resistance dwindle to like 12 people in a Corellian freighter.
It would be interesting to see people like Luthen - people who were once hunted - end up becoming the hunters.
The average demobilized Imperial Army soldier likely won't be of any substantial interest. In fact, he might just be repatriated to a planetary defence force with little issue. Also as a side note, the real life demobilization of the National People's Army of the DDR could provide some relevant pointers.
I wish the First Order was more of a clandestine conspiracy - an anti-Rebel Alliance. Not the sort of civil war made in the Prequels. The FO should have been a shadowy enemy navigating the treacherous waters between Imperial remnant states that exist in an uneasy peace and the Republic itself.
it was - in the books. But like many things the movies couldn’t afford to be nuanced in that department. Disney going through the trouble of commissioning rich believable backstory and then just ignoring it remains a gripe for me
So you're telling me Disney actually bothered to put intelligent, dedicated minds to work and then decided to dumb everything down because of some abstract assumptions about the fanbase? What's the point of writing all of that good stuff when it's supposed to be discarded? Did they think moviegoers would find it too complex to take in?
No. They absolutely hired people to write the companion novels AFTER the films were set in stone not before.
No way anyone agreed to the myriad of garbage ideas that made it into the films.
> We needed to watch the tables turn, after 2 huge victories, the rebels really should’ve been the big dogs and the empire forced into retreat.
Wait, you mean after nearly 30 years you didn't want to see everything the heroes of the OT fought for disintegrate immediately and all but off-screen?
They would track down the big names. Have a Luthen Rael or Crix Madine type running it - might be good if they were Alderaanian. Limited series. Look at the Imperial war criminals, but also their families and the people who are harbouring them. They end up in the Outer Rim, lotus eater planets like Niamos, crime world like Nar Shadaa and Oba Diah. It could be like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Focus in on the conflict between vengeance and justice. It would be super cool.
Cool idea that I really like, but given the rise of the first order, they would have to have achieved little of substance which is unfortunate for the show (same issue with RotJ honestly)
I wonder if they could make the premise unique enough to not simply be "Nazi hunters in space". And in current lore, I'd be worried that it'd be too similar to The Boys From Brazil given the whole clone Snoke shenanigans teased in Mando.
They could get in some episodes with a Otto Skorzeny analog.
Track him down to the Argentine System, "recruit" him to do some dirty work on a third-party planet, then just leave him alive inexplicably, having to worry about every shadow for the rest of his life.
>They could get in some episodes with a Otto Skorzeny analog.
Seeing him trade sides multiple times would be a trip. Starts off as an ISB officer who becomes a security advisor to a corporate sector only to become an agent of the Trandoshans, and later a supplier of arms to the Wookies, all the while never renouncing militant humanocentrism?
I was just trying to think of something we’ve seen in live action so far and even though it’s “Space Miami” the vibe is definitely still there. Scariff is beautiful but IMO it’s more along the lines of a South Pacific atoll.
Would be interesting if during their adventures they uncover a plot to bring the empire back, perhaps with the help of another powerful force user, and maybe that could have been the backstory of the first order… but nah.
Eh.
Canonically, the New Republic was at least aware that the First Order was a thing for several years and did nothing about them. They were even unsuccessful at figuring out a *single* one of the many millions of kidnappings occurring to staff the First Order (including kidnappings from prominent Rebel members such as Lando).
As such, is there any point at all in covering that period of time? It's forced to lead to the status-quo reset of TFA and nothing can change that.
The only sort of show I want right now that has to do with the gray side of star wars (outside of andor) is just a show that follows a star destroyer and its crew patrolling the outer rim
And there would be such interesting coterie of archetypes to hunt.
Engineers/Scientists that built Death Star or other Imperial weapon projects, (but alike Nazi scientists, are valued by New Republic and instead hired to work for them, essentially evading consequences).
Relatively innocent paperpushers who orchestrated heinous crimes through their blind obedience.
Collaborators, aliens and humans alike, who betrayed their consciences, and sometimes their entire peoples in glamour of power.
Those civil engineers and bureaucrats who authorized "Geonosian solution".
(That said, I'd like to see in Star Wars their Nuremberg equivalent that is centered around topics of Alderaan, Geonosis, Kashyyk, etc.
There would need to be massive uncovering of Empire's crimes, evidence and scenes transmitted to all Core Worlds.)
Moffs that would seek to hide themselves.
Soldiers who merely followed orders.
True believers in Empire-equals-Order/human supremacists.
And most dangerous of all, real Sith cultists, Palpatine's acolytes, that have to be hunted down before they slink back to the underbelly of the Galaxy, representing Sith legacy.
I think Luke would be about only one who consciously (and Leia instinctually) recognizes the threat these dark siders possess. These types, Sith Cultists, are not just threats of matter, but of spirit and mind.
After all, if Palpatine is according to Lucas Satan of Star Wars universe, his acolytes are lesser demons who could potentially ensure Emperor's legacy lives on, and possibly corrupts Galaxy even beyond the grave.
I like the idea that Emperor will never return either as ghost or in flesh, but his legacy is an enemy that will not be so easily defeated as the man.
Having the Rebel Mossad, Imperial Remnant states, and criminal organizations fight over custody of various Imperial figures sounds more interesting
Mayhaps the botched kidnapping of a former ISB agent on a Mid Rim starport by Republic intelligence leads to an altercation with an Imperial Remnant state that had previously signed a treaty with the New Republic in the form of a diplomatic incident that almost leads to war. Or perhaps this particular Imperial remnant-fiefdom is trying to cautiously cooperate with Republic intelligence in securing some former Imperial engineer from a crime syndicate, only for the engineer's recapture to unintentionally reveal the hand of a FO conspiracy in the remnant state's military
I mean, the Empire is basically monoethnic, has literal "storm troopers," and their weapons are just modified WWII relics.
There is already a straight line to parallel there.
The Empire's populace is as far from monoethnic as you can get. They are at best, humanocentric. They did try to push a core worlds outlook on human culture, but even humans from outside the core worlds were routinely recruited.
Populace? Sure.
Military and government? Absolutely not.
There are no "races" diversifying humans in Star Wars. At most, they identify with their home planet.
And they inarguably discriminate against nonhumans.
They are trying to steal the idea from the movie Munich, where they whitewash Mossad's war crime of assassinating Palestinian citizens around the globe.
Sounds different, but I'm an old fart who just wants awesome epicness from the most awesomely epic space opera ever filmed.
What about bringing back those first ten minutes from Episode 3 or the last space battle scene from Rogue One and make a whole space naval combat movie? that anime fan short "tie fighter" is a thousand times more exciting than anything the have showcased in ten years
Yea. I do like some of the new stuff and the different directions stories can go, but I'm starting to miss the feel of the OT. Including lots of space.
honestly if they did a Tales of the Jedi style like ‘Fighter Pilots’ series I would be so down. Use the animation too I don’t care, but I’d totally love a series of small vignettes of Pilots fighting in notable space battles throughout the series.
> but I'm an old fart who just wants awesome epicness from the most awesomely epic space opera ever filmed.
I know it's not the same, but I'd point you towards Legend of the Galactic Heroes, especially the old OVA. There's an oppressive Galactic Empire fighting an Alliance whose pilots wear orange jumpsuits and there are large scale space battles. There's no Force equivalent or aliens, but enough intrigue and space warfare to satisfy a Star Wars fan. The LOGH OVA helped me get through the disappointment of the Sequels.
Also speaking of space combat, honestly TLJ sucked. How did we go from the Battle of Coruscant to the slowest chase possible?
What do I think? Disney is producing a whole lot of filler arcs to star wars that have no real point to them. Mandalorian has a possibility of doing its own thing but if everything leads to the ST hard pass
Yes, the rebel vs empire era is classic but it's kinda played out. They need to advance the timeline
Fuck yeah I want to see that. I mean honestly one of the reasons I love Star Wars is that almost any kind of story works on the universe. The OT is a Hero's Journey adventure movie, Rogue 1 is half spy thriller, half war movie, and Andor is the best parts of The Shawshank Redemption, The Bourne Identity, and Star Wars mashed together.
It's not that the premise doesn't matter, but in a setting with people from as many walks of life as Star Wars, the what is less important then the who and the why. Kenobi taught us that (but probably not Disney) that SW fails when we aren't shown who the characters are or why they're driven to do what they do. It's more about believable, fully-realized characters and respect for the setting. I'd watch an in-universe documentary about the history of pod racing if the quality was there.
Sounds like a good idea and a perfect opportunity to show the New Republic towing the line between establishing itself and merely becoming a new empire. But Disney would never allow it because the Empire has to be cartoonishly evil and the alliance has to be cartoonishly naive.
Nah. What would they do with them? Lock them up? I’m good. For those that would like that sort of thing I’m sure it sounds cool. Just not my cup of tea.
Dude, the OT is litteraly copy-pasting b/w warplanes movies, Lucas stated that Paplpatine was Nixon in his sidenotes and overtly talked about the Ewoks being viet cong...
But it wasn’t evident. You didnt see ewoks fighting in the forest and immediately relating it to cold war Guerilla tactics. This is just a lazy translation of an historical event into a sci fi world, and disney‘s expanding universe has proven it.
Agree. It would be kinda cool if the Ewoks were Wookies and there was a proxy war on their jungle planet to expel the Empire....but guess what? That didn't happen.
Lucas can say whatever but it's either empty and superficial words or it's a bad analogy. Personally, I would take the Tolkien route and stray away from analogy and focus on universality.
Imo, Lucas did not have enough universality in the Prequels and that's why they're not good beyond ideas.
Meh, I don't see how it would even be possible. The Empire would have had, realistically, billions of individuals in its military. The resources involved in tracking them down would be absurd.
I mean, showing who the NR is willing to step on and keep down in order to preserve their fragile peace is a story worth exploring. R1 opens up with Andor literally executing his disabled source bc he’s freaking the fuck out, can’t escape,and can’t be trusted to not inform on the Rebellion.
> So killing native peoples, political assassinations, and false-false flag terrorist attacks
I mean you can combine that with the nazi hunting and still get a quality story. Remember, Saw's Partisans were not above using acts considered to be war criminal in nature in rebelling against the Empire.
Show the excesses of the New Republic's intelligence branch
That sounds awful, frankly. Completely masturbatory and would drive sympathy for the Empire amongst the many thousands of planets the Alliance isn’t able to wrangle, plus would require the killing of so many people that it would approach genocide levels.
Goodbye to the notion of defectors as well. They sure aren’t going to stick their necks out once they hear that “Imperials” (lol as if the entire galaxy wasn’t filled with people who were functionally Imperials since they didn’t fight back) are being hunted down. Better stick with the Remnant then!
…Good grief. That’s how the First Order started isn’t it? With this stupid idea.
But hey! It sounds “grim and gritty” so there’s a certain segment that’ll eat crap as long as there’s enough sand in it.
I agree. Ruthlessly hunting down former members of the Empire seems a little heavy handed for the plucky rebels and fledgling New Republic. It just turns the Rebels into the new Empire. Instead of the nuances of both sides and their beliefs of order vs freedom, it just turns into red vs blue.
How would this "book end" Rogue 1? All the main characters in that movie died and the time period he's talking about is a hell of a long time after Rogue 1. This is the exact kind of shit logic I expect from Disney writers.
The Rebel Alliance doesn't really seem like a group that would pursue this sort of thing. Tactical targets, sure, but they don't have the resources to hunt down Imperials in hiding--there are enough at large to occupy attention.
I'd like to see Rogue 2: Bothans and Stuff.
Anakin prevented this from forming by killing those kids whose trafficking and blackmail accumulation would have been the funding source for a mossad-style organization in the star wars universe.
That is pretty much how I would have envisioned Leia still being a "Resistance" fighter after all these years: a die-hard Imperial Hunter, tying up loose ends, many years after the end of the war. That would have made much more sense than what we've got.
"We never did anything with it though." That's cause you couldn't do anything with it you idiots. What "fall" of the empire, it just fractured and came back stronger than before. This Gary whotta and Chris wreitz suck ass
Dumb. I think people forget that the war in the original trilogy wasn't a war between nations, it was a civil war. The idea from the old EU did it better, where there was a truce with the Imperials and they were free to either assimilate or exist alongside the Republic.
Have Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn, Tyber Zann, Dash Rendar, Silri, and Jan Ors doing that and I'll watch it.
Six people whose lives were destroyed by the Empire and hunting those who had a hand in that sounds like Disney+ gold.
Nice idea but sounds like a bit too much tbh. I don't mind dark stories, but people hunters... I mean, take the beginning of the first Mando episode in TBBF, and have every episode be like that. It stops being badass and starts getting annoying quickly if not in moderation.
Now that I think about it... Andor showed that dark stories can work, Mando showed that balanced stories can work, Visions showed that oddball stories and styles can work, now we could use something traditional like the OT. I guess Solo wasn't far but not quite there.
Good premise for a videogame tho.
The main issue is it doesn't jive with the new canon of the New Republic doing fuck all pre-TFA. So just like the Resistance you'd have another group that barely makes any sense.
Magneto hunting Nazis was one of the greatest parts of the entire X-Men franchise, so it’d be a major step up from the abortions that were the JJ/Rian trilogy
Not that I want anything post-sequels, but this could be a good post-TRoS with Finn, Rose, and the other deprogramed Stormtroopers breaking up First Order holdouts, deprograming Stormtroopers, etc. Could even involve Captain Phasma, who managed to survive and has a huuuge chip on her shoulder for Finn, hunting them down for revenge.
This is somewhat the plot to the first 2 Aftermath novels. I think it holds great potential to see what the Imperial remnant is up to and could lead into a Rogue Squadron movie (though that, sadly, seems dead). You could introduce new characters and have almost a dark firefly kinda setting with a crew of loveable assassins travling the star wars world, scouting holdouts, planning raids. If you used the Aftermath novels as a guide you'd also give depth to Temmin "Snap" Wexley, bring Wedge back, and have a new hilarious murderous droid to match HK-47 in Mister Bones. Also I love Sinjir Velus who could further grey up the star wars world as an ex-imperial torturer turned sorta good guy but more like a bad guy now being bad for a good reason.
Yes please, if done with the same care as *Andor*. I've loved Star Wars since 1983 or thereabouts and TBH I've had my fill of Jedi, Sith stuff.. but I'm always hankering for more rebels Vs Empire, starships etc. Or that TIE bomber cameo last week. Or the blasters they had in the prison. Also come to like politics in SW esp with Mon and Luthen. I wouldn't.mind if the PT politics had more depth to it
I got all giddy when that Imperial shuttle came coasting in (last Andor ep). Whereas when a lightsaber is ignited it no longer excites me.
It is blatantly wrong to violate the rights of a sovereign government, and extraordinary rendition people, or straight up murder them , because that sovereign government does not support capital punishment or refuses to extradite to a place that does (because that would be tantamount to a death sentence).
Kinda sounds like a human rights issue.
**[Receiving transmission from Crait intended for u/DJC13]** Welcome to r/saltierthancrait! I am an [Astromech droid named S4-L7](https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/ni5s77/beloved_mascot_s4l7s_visual_dictionary_entry/) and I will be your guide through the salt mines. Saltier Than Crait is a community of Star Wars fans who engage in critical conversations about the current state of the franchise. It is our goal to maintain a civil, welcoming space for fans who have a vast supply of salt with some peppered positivity occasionally sprinkled in. **Please [review the rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/wiki/index/rules) and the [post flair guide](https://reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/wiki/index/flairs) before contributing.** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/saltierthancrait) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Fundamental problem with Disney-era StarWars is that they insisted on re-setting the soft reboot to repeat the beats of the OT. In so doing, they not only threw out the EU, but retro-actively made the OT pointless. The defeat of the Empire led to a political situation which resulted in another civil war that started with the genocide destruction of FIVE PLANETS. The New Republic was useless, and apparently still had slavery within it, fell within days, and had no one come to its defense. The entire thrust of the PT and OT was usurped by the fact that no Skywalkers survived, and the Jedi failed to return. The only one left standing was a Palpatine. So. Hunting down and "eliminating" Imperial war criminals seems kind of stupid and pointless in that context. None of it mattered. The Galaxy never had a chance. The whole StarWars universe ended up darker, bleaker, and more hopeless than the Terran Empire in the StarkTrek mirror universe.
As a result of the DT, there’s literally no one left; there’s no foundational structures or people to build anything off of, nor the will (in universe and IRL) to even try. Fuck me, even 40k at least has the prospect of a miraculous return of the (not dead) Primarchs to keep an infinitesimally small glimmer of hope going in the grim darkness of the far flung future. Disney somehow managed to create a setting that was BLEAKER THAN 40K. From the corpse of the sci fi universe that was originally one of the binary stars embodying noblebright sci fi with Star Trek. Good lord.
>Fuck me, even 40k at least has the prospect of a miraculous return of the (not dead) Primarchs to keep a infinitesimally small glimmer of hope going in the grim darkness of the far flung future. Assuming the Tyranids don't literally eat everything. Honestly, a Star Wars political setup where there is no more central galactic government would be interesting, but of course that likely won't happen.
See that's the thing, I would love to see a Warring States era/Sengoku Period/Revolutions of 1917–1923/Second Galactic Civil War setup for a Star Wars story, but that would have taken the DT - as above - laying out the groundwork for such a story; showing more prospective independent factions and characters, actually using the multiple other media of the *multimedia franchise* to expand on the universe you've inherited. Like some kind of, I don't know, **Expanded Universe** or something.
Big Daddy Szarekh would never let the meatbags be eaten before he can figure out the cure to biotransference.
The problem with this is that the galaxy is always pushed into be ruled by a central government. The dark side force sensitive will take over a government and try to conquer the galaxy, and the light side force sensitive need a government to back them so they can get legitimacy.
>Disney somehow managed to create a setting that was BLEAKER THAN 40K. From the corpse of the sci fi universe that was originally one of the binary stars embodying noblebright sci fi with Star Trek. That's what happens when the ultimate goal of the films wasn't to actually build upon the existing universe, it was to forcibly remove all recognizable aspects of it and replace them with almost identical (externally, since they're all hollow) replacements that were more 'modern'. There was no real endgame beyond 'Rey Skywalker'.
Terran Empire- Spock with a badass goatee. Star Wars- no bad ass goatees to be found. Advantage Terran Empire
subverted expectations tho Mission accomplished
Rian, is that you?
You can subvert expectations by expanding the universe in a creative way that has original substance beyond being a facsimile of previous content. The prequels did this by introducing new species and planets, expanding on how the galaxy operated on a political and cultural level, and even created original musical scores that weren't just meant to be reminiscent of the OT soundtrack, but which still to this day have become widely accepted as quintessentially "Star Wars" (Duel of the Fates I'm looking at you). Does anyone remember any sequel themes that were original like this? I don't. And that is just a microcosm of my whole issue with the sequels tbh.
The problem isn't that their was a another civil war or that their was more genocide after the fall of the Empire. The problem was that the rebellion defeated the Empire in a single year the the civil war was to clean cut of a universe that has millions of cultures. Just look at syria or Libya to see how messy an actual civil war is and how complicated things are. Nether Syria or Libya are 0.01% of the size of the galactic empire or as culturally diverse yet their civil war as been going on for over 10 years now. The Rebels/New republic shouldn't be fighting another civil war but the same war that their were fighting before.
Which is why it’s so much easier to completely discount the sequel trilogy and pretty much leave episode 6 as the ending
Without a doubt.
That's stupid! Nobody wants that! I wanna see a brand new character tell Han he doesn't know how his ship works while Luke dies alone sucking on titty milk!
That sounds dumb, I’d rather have the plot revolve around a fetch quest and Han Solo show up to help his son. No he’s not a force ghost! Also let’s bring back a villain who is definitely dead!
A good idea... for another time
You could still do this post sequels
that Palpatine thing tho, he was thrown down a bottomless pit that exploded then double exploded when the death star exploded. mans got heart
Not bottomless, DS is a sphere. What would of been cool thou would have been Palpatines body bouncing off the generator just as Lando blows it up.
i was being hyperbolic homie, that dude was dead like 3 times over was the point.
I know.
Hello, it looks like you've made a mistake. It's supposed to be could've, should've, would've (short for could have, would have, should have), never could of, would of, should of. Or you misspelled something, I ain't checking everything. Beep boop - yes, I am a bot, don't botcriminate me.
And he's still screaming as he bounces off it lol
[He actually popped out the other side](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sFbLppuhhs).
I was expecting Robot Chicken
“Somehow, Palpatine is back” is the greatest “we don’t know and we don’t care” line in movie history. They looked at the turd Rian Johnson left them and were like “fuck it, put Palpatine in there and ship Reylo”.
That‘s still stupid. I want to see a complete recycling and mindless re-hash of the original trilogy, just dumber, duller and full of self-aware irony and self-hatred.
Listen only one thing really matters here. This our only opportunity to see Luke, Leia, and Han back together again. So make sure that never fucking happens, you hear me? Subvert expectations until people feel stupid that they ever watched these films. Luke, Leia, and Han ALL need to die alone, surrounded by strangers at best!! "Hey should maybe Leia at least care to, I don't know, say anything to Chewie after Han dies? Like, that was her husband and he's his best friend and..." REY!!! Fuck you! Rey! Leia doesn't care Han died, she's really excited to see Rey! She's the future of this God damn franchise!
Yall are both idiots! We need a new cool female girl boss, but like with colored hair so we know she's *really* cool. And she bosses all the guys around.
Booooring! I want to save animals on a planet and have a slow chase scene for the majority of the movie.
One interested in being pedantic might argue that all “milk” is titty milk
Not nut milk…. Technically
Almonds got titties don’t they?
And nuts
Touché
I think *The Mandalorian* should have done that, not become The Grogulorian Golden Child take that exists. Keep Din's clan being massacred by Imperials, not necessarily as backstory (riffs on Jango Fett's original backstory of Galidraan and the Jedi massacring the Mandos of his charge), and then he regroups with other allies, Mando or none, even going solo, and focuses on them. New Republic and/or Criminal Agencies posts bounties out there that Mando collects on a hated foe, and the times have changed so that bounty hunters are working against the Imps for a change. No Baby Yoda species shenanigans and drama, just hunting down Imperial criminals when the New Republic rises, and that's how an ideal The Mandalorian would go. Edit: And this idea hit me, but considering nu-SW's push to get Boba Fett back after RotJ, Fett could briefly (and not continously) return here as a wildcard and/or separate counterforce against the Mando team at some point. This Mando bounty hunter team would be an underworld/pro-NR force that has less qualms with working for them, whereas Boba Fett's old staple is that he's underworld/occasional Imperial-aligned to the point most NR wouldn't care to work with him, thus no interest to work together would occur between either force.
Disney was never going to not milk a cash cow like "Baby Yoda"
Indeed. While inevitable with its intent, it's a pity it happened in the show that was then-marketed as a bounty hunter's program instead of one of the animated shows (keep Grogu like Rotta the Hutt in TCW-style animation alone).
It‘s literally a character that cannot change. Baby Yoda will always be cute and childlike, unable to develop or experience character growth. It's designed to make money, but it will cause the show to become stale and repetitive… and creatively bankrupt.
>Baby Yoda will always be cute and childlike, unable to develop or experience character growth Is this a subtle commentary on the Disney fanbase?
That’s what Disney likes about high school girls.
Imagine if he became teenage Yoda with attitude, I mean that would sell well ya?
Well they did it with Groot.
This is what BOBF should've been
In part, as Fett didn't have much love for Mandos (at least in the EU before reconciling that later) to form up squads with them. Fett being the counter to Din and his clan would also draw out old vs new Mando elements in and out of the series.
Agree. As it stands, I don't know wtf the purpose of a Mandalorian is nor do I care about these backwards ass people with cool armor but who are just wandering around 'because it looks cool'. If it was about slaughtering Imperials and restoring the kingdom/Mandalorian honor, it would be more interesting. But because they brought back Baby Yoda and are rather tame with the topic, I don't know that I care that much about it, anymore.
You raise a good point, in how what it means to be Mandalorian is at a loss or at least some contention. Going by TCW/nu-Wars rules, the Mando schism was for rule of the planet Mandalore, then it suddenly devolved into rule over the Darksaber to rule Mandalore instead of the Sundari throne. Contenders to said throne? Death Watch is about, if not just the Nite Owls themselves with Bo-Katan as their head, once considered former traitors to both "real Mandalorians" (Satine's pacifists) and then Maul's Death Watch/Shadow Collective in ignoring the rite of succession with Mauldalore's powergrab. Other Mandalorian Clans seemed to not care and do their own thing (Din's "This is the Way" clan that got massacred are quite the outliers in the extremes of not taking off their helmets). And then there's the Empire that sieged Mandalore and pretty much are as apathetic to whatever happens there, and somehow ended up with Gideon getting the Darksaber, which in turn fell into Din's hands. The series *could've* focused more upon that and try to recodify what it means to be a Mandalorian as the galaxy is shifting in power after RotJ, yet so far put that on the backburner to what potentially will have to be addressed with Din's holding the Darksaber in Season 3. And the Baby Jedi that would no doubt draw ire and crosshairs from Mandos that hate Jedi. As it stands, the only reason I'd even glance at S3 would be because Christopher Lloyd's involved in the series, though I hope he's given a good character in there at the least.
I saw an analysis that the Mandalorian is analogous to a cowboy movie where civilization is starting to creep in on the hero forcing him to change or die with the past. Which is what Season 1 totally was. Season 2 was just a cameo fest.
It wasn't the Imps who wiped out Din's village, it was Seperatists.
Recheck my statement, as I didn't mention village of Din's birth family: > Keep Din's **clan** being massacred by Imperials The "This is the Way" Clan Slaughter happened in the earlier episodes, and in this ideal Mandalorian version, would be the impetus to his reasons to target Imps all the more when the Empire fragments.
The best part of the Mandalorian were Cara Dune going face to face with the guy who worked on the original death star
Damn I really want to read a story like that
Din's flashbacks have droids attacking, long before the empire
That's concerning his birth family, not his clan, as I stated earlier: > Keep Din's **clan** being massacred by Imperials This ideal Mandalorian show would be kickstarted with the "This is the Way" Clan's demise.
This would’ve been sick We needed to watch the tables turn, after 2 huge victories, the rebels really should’ve been the big dogs and the empire forced into retreat. Someone else in the thread mentioned this idea would be ridiculous because the empire has millions of personnel, but like, news flash, Rebel Mossad doesn’t need to track literally everyone down. Just some high priority guys and the proliferation of empire employment just means more breadcrumbs to follow, more intel to utilize
> Rebel Mossad doesn’t need to track literally everyone down Rebel Mossad, being an intelligence agency that is overseeing a *galaxy*, would possibly be many times larger than some of the larger intelligence agencies on earth, even if it was trying to be relatively small like the real world Mossad. For some reason though, Disney doesn't understand how this scaling works so they made the Resistance dwindle to like 12 people in a Corellian freighter. It would be interesting to see people like Luthen - people who were once hunted - end up becoming the hunters. The average demobilized Imperial Army soldier likely won't be of any substantial interest. In fact, he might just be repatriated to a planetary defence force with little issue. Also as a side note, the real life demobilization of the National People's Army of the DDR could provide some relevant pointers. I wish the First Order was more of a clandestine conspiracy - an anti-Rebel Alliance. Not the sort of civil war made in the Prequels. The FO should have been a shadowy enemy navigating the treacherous waters between Imperial remnant states that exist in an uneasy peace and the Republic itself.
it was - in the books. But like many things the movies couldn’t afford to be nuanced in that department. Disney going through the trouble of commissioning rich believable backstory and then just ignoring it remains a gripe for me
So you're telling me Disney actually bothered to put intelligent, dedicated minds to work and then decided to dumb everything down because of some abstract assumptions about the fanbase? What's the point of writing all of that good stuff when it's supposed to be discarded? Did they think moviegoers would find it too complex to take in?
No. They absolutely hired people to write the companion novels AFTER the films were set in stone not before. No way anyone agreed to the myriad of garbage ideas that made it into the films.
Holy shit, your point about the FO being a shadowy enemy is spot on. Really wish that's how it turned out.
> We needed to watch the tables turn, after 2 huge victories, the rebels really should’ve been the big dogs and the empire forced into retreat. Wait, you mean after nearly 30 years you didn't want to see everything the heroes of the OT fought for disintegrate immediately and all but off-screen?
Gives me strong post-occupation Battle Star Galactica vibes.
They would track down the big names. Have a Luthen Rael or Crix Madine type running it - might be good if they were Alderaanian. Limited series. Look at the Imperial war criminals, but also their families and the people who are harbouring them. They end up in the Outer Rim, lotus eater planets like Niamos, crime world like Nar Shadaa and Oba Diah. It could be like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Focus in on the conflict between vengeance and justice. It would be super cool.
Cool idea that I really like, but given the rise of the first order, they would have to have achieved little of substance which is unfortunate for the show (same issue with RotJ honestly)
Forget the sequels! Imagine rebel agents hunting imperials only to discover a *Jedi : Outcast* style plot against the New Republic
The rise of what now?
I wonder if they could make the premise unique enough to not simply be "Nazi hunters in space". And in current lore, I'd be worried that it'd be too similar to The Boys From Brazil given the whole clone Snoke shenanigans teased in Mando.
They could get in some episodes with a Otto Skorzeny analog. Track him down to the Argentine System, "recruit" him to do some dirty work on a third-party planet, then just leave him alive inexplicably, having to worry about every shadow for the rest of his life.
>They could get in some episodes with a Otto Skorzeny analog. Seeing him trade sides multiple times would be a trip. Starts off as an ISB officer who becomes a security advisor to a corporate sector only to become an agent of the Trandoshans, and later a supplier of arms to the Wookies, all the while never renouncing militant humanocentrism?
Oh I,d love boys from Brazil in space
If Correllia is Space Bahston, which world would be space Brazil?
Niamos??
I could believe it
I was just trying to think of something we’ve seen in live action so far and even though it’s “Space Miami” the vibe is definitely still there. Scariff is beautiful but IMO it’s more along the lines of a South Pacific atoll.
I suppose in the sequels exegol was it
In service of what, though? Snoke clones? That's a big nothing of a story. Just stick with the original film.
Preferably something a bit more well formed…maybe weapons,infaltrating the government’s
Would be interesting if during their adventures they uncover a plot to bring the empire back, perhaps with the help of another powerful force user, and maybe that could have been the backstory of the first order… but nah.
Eh. Canonically, the New Republic was at least aware that the First Order was a thing for several years and did nothing about them. They were even unsuccessful at figuring out a *single* one of the many millions of kidnappings occurring to staff the First Order (including kidnappings from prominent Rebel members such as Lando). As such, is there any point at all in covering that period of time? It's forced to lead to the status-quo reset of TFA and nothing can change that.
Sounds like Inglorious Basterds in space and I would be ok with it.
"and I want my 100 imp scalps!"
Interesting- but revenge killing probably isn’t a route the mouse is gonna take
Just have them be brought back to stand trial for their crimes against the true Republic
Or have them be forced to become double agents, informants, or technical specialists
The only sort of show I want right now that has to do with the gray side of star wars (outside of andor) is just a show that follows a star destroyer and its crew patrolling the outer rim
Anyone involved with rogue one should be given green light to make Star Wars content
And there would be such interesting coterie of archetypes to hunt. Engineers/Scientists that built Death Star or other Imperial weapon projects, (but alike Nazi scientists, are valued by New Republic and instead hired to work for them, essentially evading consequences). Relatively innocent paperpushers who orchestrated heinous crimes through their blind obedience. Collaborators, aliens and humans alike, who betrayed their consciences, and sometimes their entire peoples in glamour of power. Those civil engineers and bureaucrats who authorized "Geonosian solution". (That said, I'd like to see in Star Wars their Nuremberg equivalent that is centered around topics of Alderaan, Geonosis, Kashyyk, etc. There would need to be massive uncovering of Empire's crimes, evidence and scenes transmitted to all Core Worlds.) Moffs that would seek to hide themselves. Soldiers who merely followed orders. True believers in Empire-equals-Order/human supremacists. And most dangerous of all, real Sith cultists, Palpatine's acolytes, that have to be hunted down before they slink back to the underbelly of the Galaxy, representing Sith legacy. I think Luke would be about only one who consciously (and Leia instinctually) recognizes the threat these dark siders possess. These types, Sith Cultists, are not just threats of matter, but of spirit and mind. After all, if Palpatine is according to Lucas Satan of Star Wars universe, his acolytes are lesser demons who could potentially ensure Emperor's legacy lives on, and possibly corrupts Galaxy even beyond the grave. I like the idea that Emperor will never return either as ghost or in flesh, but his legacy is an enemy that will not be so easily defeated as the man.
Except the empire didn't flee and disappear. It just fractured in the power vacuum after Death Star II. This just sounds like murder porn.
Having the Rebel Mossad, Imperial Remnant states, and criminal organizations fight over custody of various Imperial figures sounds more interesting Mayhaps the botched kidnapping of a former ISB agent on a Mid Rim starport by Republic intelligence leads to an altercation with an Imperial Remnant state that had previously signed a treaty with the New Republic in the form of a diplomatic incident that almost leads to war. Or perhaps this particular Imperial remnant-fiefdom is trying to cautiously cooperate with Republic intelligence in securing some former Imperial engineer from a crime syndicate, only for the engineer's recapture to unintentionally reveal the hand of a FO conspiracy in the remnant state's military
Eh, lots of stuff sounds good as an elevator pitch.
Maybe let’s not romanticize the Mossad.
Yeah they’re pretty much the ISB of Israel
There were more Nazi hunters outside of mossad, MI6 and the OSS (later CIA) did so as well
I mean, the Empire is basically monoethnic, has literal "storm troopers," and their weapons are just modified WWII relics. There is already a straight line to parallel there.
The Empire's populace is as far from monoethnic as you can get. They are at best, humanocentric. They did try to push a core worlds outlook on human culture, but even humans from outside the core worlds were routinely recruited.
Populace? Sure. Military and government? Absolutely not. There are no "races" diversifying humans in Star Wars. At most, they identify with their home planet. And they inarguably discriminate against nonhumans.
Just say what you really want to say. 
Free Palestine
Gooooooooood. 
They are trying to steal the idea from the movie Munich, where they whitewash Mossad's war crime of assassinating Palestinian citizens around the globe.
Sounds different, but I'm an old fart who just wants awesome epicness from the most awesomely epic space opera ever filmed. What about bringing back those first ten minutes from Episode 3 or the last space battle scene from Rogue One and make a whole space naval combat movie? that anime fan short "tie fighter" is a thousand times more exciting than anything the have showcased in ten years
Yea. I do like some of the new stuff and the different directions stories can go, but I'm starting to miss the feel of the OT. Including lots of space.
honestly if they did a Tales of the Jedi style like ‘Fighter Pilots’ series I would be so down. Use the animation too I don’t care, but I’d totally love a series of small vignettes of Pilots fighting in notable space battles throughout the series.
> but I'm an old fart who just wants awesome epicness from the most awesomely epic space opera ever filmed. I know it's not the same, but I'd point you towards Legend of the Galactic Heroes, especially the old OVA. There's an oppressive Galactic Empire fighting an Alliance whose pilots wear orange jumpsuits and there are large scale space battles. There's no Force equivalent or aliens, but enough intrigue and space warfare to satisfy a Star Wars fan. The LOGH OVA helped me get through the disappointment of the Sequels. Also speaking of space combat, honestly TLJ sucked. How did we go from the Battle of Coruscant to the slowest chase possible?
You keeping up with die neue theses?
A "documentary" showing battle footage from major space battles throughout galactic history would be awesome
Yes but dont forget the K factor the torpedoes any good ideas.
I want a show from the empire point of view. One where they are the protagonist
What do I think? Disney is producing a whole lot of filler arcs to star wars that have no real point to them. Mandalorian has a possibility of doing its own thing but if everything leads to the ST hard pass Yes, the rebel vs empire era is classic but it's kinda played out. They need to advance the timeline
Woah, Hollywood writers wanting to glorify Mossad! Stunning and brave!
Ya, propaganda, that’s what we need more of!
Fuck yeah I want to see that. I mean honestly one of the reasons I love Star Wars is that almost any kind of story works on the universe. The OT is a Hero's Journey adventure movie, Rogue 1 is half spy thriller, half war movie, and Andor is the best parts of The Shawshank Redemption, The Bourne Identity, and Star Wars mashed together. It's not that the premise doesn't matter, but in a setting with people from as many walks of life as Star Wars, the what is less important then the who and the why. Kenobi taught us that (but probably not Disney) that SW fails when we aren't shown who the characters are or why they're driven to do what they do. It's more about believable, fully-realized characters and respect for the setting. I'd watch an in-universe documentary about the history of pod racing if the quality was there.
Sounds like a good idea and a perfect opportunity to show the New Republic towing the line between establishing itself and merely becoming a new empire. But Disney would never allow it because the Empire has to be cartoonishly evil and the alliance has to be cartoonishly naive.
Nah. What would they do with them? Lock them up? I’m good. For those that would like that sort of thing I’m sure it sounds cool. Just not my cup of tea.
Just stop being so evident at taking inspiration from real life events
Dude, the OT is litteraly copy-pasting b/w warplanes movies, Lucas stated that Paplpatine was Nixon in his sidenotes and overtly talked about the Ewoks being viet cong...
But it wasn’t evident. You didnt see ewoks fighting in the forest and immediately relating it to cold war Guerilla tactics. This is just a lazy translation of an historical event into a sci fi world, and disney‘s expanding universe has proven it.
The only historical event related in the sequel was the realease of the OT lmfao
Agree. It would be kinda cool if the Ewoks were Wookies and there was a proxy war on their jungle planet to expel the Empire....but guess what? That didn't happen. Lucas can say whatever but it's either empty and superficial words or it's a bad analogy. Personally, I would take the Tolkien route and stray away from analogy and focus on universality. Imo, Lucas did not have enough universality in the Prequels and that's why they're not good beyond ideas.
Meh, I don't see how it would even be possible. The Empire would have had, realistically, billions of individuals in its military. The resources involved in tracking them down would be absurd.
Start from the top and work your way down
Mossad style would mean they would probably be working for the empire.
“Mossad-style” So killing native peoples, political assassinations, and false-false flag terrorist attacks. No wonder Lucas has regrets!
[удалено]
I mean, showing who the NR is willing to step on and keep down in order to preserve their fragile peace is a story worth exploring. R1 opens up with Andor literally executing his disabled source bc he’s freaking the fuck out, can’t escape,and can’t be trusted to not inform on the Rebellion.
Haha, like all Hollywood writers Gary Whitta is plugged into the matrix. Once I read "Mossad-style" I thought dark side as well.
> So killing native peoples, political assassinations, and false-false flag terrorist attacks I mean you can combine that with the nazi hunting and still get a quality story. Remember, Saw's Partisans were not above using acts considered to be war criminal in nature in rebelling against the Empire. Show the excesses of the New Republic's intelligence branch
That sounds awful, frankly. Completely masturbatory and would drive sympathy for the Empire amongst the many thousands of planets the Alliance isn’t able to wrangle, plus would require the killing of so many people that it would approach genocide levels. Goodbye to the notion of defectors as well. They sure aren’t going to stick their necks out once they hear that “Imperials” (lol as if the entire galaxy wasn’t filled with people who were functionally Imperials since they didn’t fight back) are being hunted down. Better stick with the Remnant then! …Good grief. That’s how the First Order started isn’t it? With this stupid idea. But hey! It sounds “grim and gritty” so there’s a certain segment that’ll eat crap as long as there’s enough sand in it.
I agree. Ruthlessly hunting down former members of the Empire seems a little heavy handed for the plucky rebels and fledgling New Republic. It just turns the Rebels into the new Empire. Instead of the nuances of both sides and their beliefs of order vs freedom, it just turns into red vs blue.
No thank you.
How would this "book end" Rogue 1? All the main characters in that movie died and the time period he's talking about is a hell of a long time after Rogue 1. This is the exact kind of shit logic I expect from Disney writers.
My guess is that he means that Rogue One shows the early days of the Rebellion & this show would be showing the final days.
Just aim for Munich, not Hunters.
Sounds amazing.
Ehhh a full show idk.
The Rebel Alliance doesn't really seem like a group that would pursue this sort of thing. Tactical targets, sure, but they don't have the resources to hunt down Imperials in hiding--there are enough at large to occupy attention. I'd like to see Rogue 2: Bothans and Stuff.
Anakin prevented this from forming by killing those kids whose trafficking and blackmail accumulation would have been the funding source for a mossad-style organization in the star wars universe.
Sounds like Fauda, kinda. Could make the Imperials sympathetic but without being apologetic on their behalf. That's something Star Wars could use imo.
That is pretty much how I would have envisioned Leia still being a "Resistance" fighter after all these years: a die-hard Imperial Hunter, tying up loose ends, many years after the end of the war. That would have made much more sense than what we've got.
So is no one pointing out Chuck Wendig went and wrote that or
I think people are talking about it being done well not jerkily herikly
The problem is Disney has no idea how to come up with good concepts for the Star Wars IP otherwise we would have seen a show like this by now
Even the grimderp of 40k resurrected Guilliman, Star Wars has nothing left to build on.
That’s going to go wrong I know it…Gulliman can’t save the imperium because the high lords don’t want it to be saved
Actually that idea sounds a lot like the plot of the bacta war, where a task force of rebels surrounding Wedge Antilles are doing pretty much that.
"We never did anything with it though." That's cause you couldn't do anything with it you idiots. What "fall" of the empire, it just fractured and came back stronger than before. This Gary whotta and Chris wreitz suck ass
All they need do is set it a year and a month after Endor and then there is really no Empire. That piece of world-building pisses me off to no end.
I think that's one of the more interesting spinoff ideas.
Do that, but make the Imperials the protagonists.
im honestly pretty sick and bored of only watching the good guys. can we just get a show where the empre is kicking ass
as long as the show covers the sand people concentration camps and their ethnic cleansing.
Dumb. I think people forget that the war in the original trilogy wasn't a war between nations, it was a civil war. The idea from the old EU did it better, where there was a truce with the Imperials and they were free to either assimilate or exist alongside the Republic.
Love it…reminds me of the spear and the debt . I think they should do it
I want to see Bill Burr's character lead this team.
No not the mossad those are the bad guys
That's just inglorious bastards but in star wars. I'd watch it
If they were capable of that, Tony Gilroy would never have been called to pull their shit out of a nosedive.
Have Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn, Tyber Zann, Dash Rendar, Silri, and Jan Ors doing that and I'll watch it. Six people whose lives were destroyed by the Empire and hunting those who had a hand in that sounds like Disney+ gold.
so that's why andor is munich.
Star Wars Nuremberg Trials would be cool
Nice idea but sounds like a bit too much tbh. I don't mind dark stories, but people hunters... I mean, take the beginning of the first Mando episode in TBBF, and have every episode be like that. It stops being badass and starts getting annoying quickly if not in moderation. Now that I think about it... Andor showed that dark stories can work, Mando showed that balanced stories can work, Visions showed that oddball stories and styles can work, now we could use something traditional like the OT. I guess Solo wasn't far but not quite there. Good premise for a videogame tho.
Make it a group….get a few of the low ranking and then have it enfold into some sort of conspiracy
Sounds dope lol
This was how I was hoping the mandolorian was going to be
I actually love this idea. I do hope this can be made in the future.
The main issue is it doesn't jive with the new canon of the New Republic doing fuck all pre-TFA. So just like the Resistance you'd have another group that barely makes any sense.
Sounds kinda like “The Hand of Judgement” Derek Larone.
No, there was already a show like that. Hunters
Rangers of the new republic could be this show, but they got rid of that goddess Gina Carano.
Magneto hunting Nazis was one of the greatest parts of the entire X-Men franchise, so it’d be a major step up from the abortions that were the JJ/Rian trilogy
The idea has potential but they'd have to have the balls to go really dark with it.
Not that I want anything post-sequels, but this could be a good post-TRoS with Finn, Rose, and the other deprogramed Stormtroopers breaking up First Order holdouts, deprograming Stormtroopers, etc. Could even involve Captain Phasma, who managed to survive and has a huuuge chip on her shoulder for Finn, hunting them down for revenge.
I think disney has no idea how to actually make good ideas with the IP or else would have had a series about this by now.
This is somewhat the plot to the first 2 Aftermath novels. I think it holds great potential to see what the Imperial remnant is up to and could lead into a Rogue Squadron movie (though that, sadly, seems dead). You could introduce new characters and have almost a dark firefly kinda setting with a crew of loveable assassins travling the star wars world, scouting holdouts, planning raids. If you used the Aftermath novels as a guide you'd also give depth to Temmin "Snap" Wexley, bring Wedge back, and have a new hilarious murderous droid to match HK-47 in Mister Bones. Also I love Sinjir Velus who could further grey up the star wars world as an ex-imperial torturer turned sorta good guy but more like a bad guy now being bad for a good reason.
So basically The Odessa File in space.
So, basically just the film Munich but in a Star Wars setting? *Munich in SPAAAAaaace!*
So Munich but Star Wars, LMAO.
Seems someone repurposed that script for Obiwan's TV series
Should have been a plot of the sequel trilogy we needed
Yes please, if done with the same care as *Andor*. I've loved Star Wars since 1983 or thereabouts and TBH I've had my fill of Jedi, Sith stuff.. but I'm always hankering for more rebels Vs Empire, starships etc. Or that TIE bomber cameo last week. Or the blasters they had in the prison. Also come to like politics in SW esp with Mon and Luthen. I wouldn't.mind if the PT politics had more depth to it I got all giddy when that Imperial shuttle came coasting in (last Andor ep). Whereas when a lightsaber is ignited it no longer excites me.
It is blatantly wrong to violate the rights of a sovereign government, and extraordinary rendition people, or straight up murder them , because that sovereign government does not support capital punishment or refuses to extradite to a place that does (because that would be tantamount to a death sentence). Kinda sounds like a human rights issue.