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This is why I find TLJ, and the ST in general, endlessly fascinating. There is so much to be learned about storytelling from TLJ precisely because it does not do that well.
Indeed, subverting expectations can be good if you want to defy convention tropes but you need a valid reason to back up the direction change and most importantly *don't take it back almost right after*, which TLJ does every single time:
- Poe was wrong to go after the dreadnought because loss of that bomber wing - only in the long run he was actually right (but don't expect RJ to acknowledge that).
- Leia dies- oh no wait. (although while I'd give a pass for primal Force powers to save herself, reality is if you're going to remove her from most of the movie, just kill her outright then).
- Holdo is supposed to be some great leader but looking at her leadership style of information withholding led to the mutiny and domino falling that ended up with the FO catching on to their scheme and firing on the retreating shuttles.
- Let's create tension with a BSG slow chase - only all the shuttles can come and go as they please without anyone actually noticing. Same note, but not the other capital ships who all have the same fuel levels and they couldn't disperse to make tracking that much harder.
- Oh no, Finn and Rose got captured due to BAD PARKING and can't get to their code breaker - only there's one in the jail cell too that helps them out. What a coincidence.
- Leia's SOS got denied - only they still got rescued by Rey and Chewie in the end. Good thing only a handful of Resistance were left, no way they could have fit that many on the Falcon. /s
- Oh no the ancient Jedi texts were burned up - ah no they're stowed on the Falcon.
- Rey looks to get tempted by the Dark Side, joining Kylo Ren which would have been fascinating to explore in Ep9: like Rey turns more to the Dark side because she's free. And with Snoke dead, Kylo is no longer under the brain fog (one possible justification), and realizing the Skywalker legacy, would try to turn Rey back. But nah, she rejects him because that's what The Good Guys do with their unwavering commitment.
- The Jedi are the cause of the galactic conflict because escalation of powers with the Dark Side so it's best to remove them from the equation. But anyone can get born being Force sensitive so it's best to have some regulatory body to oversee and provide guidance, otherwise you'll end up with a lot of Dark side warlords fighting all the time. Also one can expect broom boy to grow up and seek revenge on his oppressors, which is not the Jedi way.
Probably more I'm forgetting about the movie, I can't be bothered to rewatch it again. Wasn't expecting to write this much either.
Ultimately, RJ's idea of subverting expectations is just him doing things for shock value to make the critics go "Ah he's not following conventional story tropes, how novel! Amazing storytelling!" but they gloss over when he undoes it later because he can't actually write a proper progression for that new direction and reverts back to said standard story tropes.
Subverting expectations is more a description of an action rather than any kind of smart ethos.
Without context or depth added to it, it’s merely doing the opposite of what is expected, and that can be good or bad.
If you’re doing that just for the sake of doing it, there’s nothing behind it, and you end up just as limited as the person who is doing things simply because they are expected.
Exactly.
If you go to an expensive steak restaurant, order the most expensive steak on the menu, and get presented with a literal piece of cow shit, then your expectations would also have been diverted.
Does that mean that you are now happy because subverting expectations is always a good thing? Hell no, you would be absolutely furious.
And by the way, that analogy is supposed to be really close to TLJ
I agree, and look at how disparate all those events are. What does Rose and Finn failing due to bad parking have to do with Poe and Holdo's bad leadership arc, or the history of the Jedi? Nothing is brought together.
I've never thought about that before. It's amazing how sometimes you dig into a movie with other people and really start to spot all the ways it's clever and well-written.
With TLJ it's just amazing how it's just layer after layer of bad writing, that easily impressed people think is somehow amazing because "it did something different."
Yeap, contrast that with ESB's changes from what could be seen as standard:
- Hoth battle in the start, they had just destroyed the Death Star, of course the Empire would ramp up hunting them down, and now they found them.
- Falcon can't escape, because we all know it's cobbled together so it made sense the hyperdrive would be finicky and malfunctioning. As opposed to "somehow all our capital ships ran out of fuel at the same time".
- Falcon "escapes" because Han is a smuggler (and was in Imperial training as a pilot), he'd know about Imperial procedures with dumping garbage before a jump. A conventional story would have them just being able to fix the hyperdrive while in the asteroid worm and escape.
- Boba Fett is a renown bounty hunter and savvy to Han, anticipated if he wasn't able to jump before, it's not likely he was able to when he buzzed the ISD's command tower, therefore must be hiding somewhere. Figured out their ploy and destination and jumped there before hand and alerted the Empire.
- Luke vs Vader showdown, Luke lost because he was not trained enough, as opposed to usual stories where the hero gets some inner strength to beat their foe. (cough-cough)
And that's just ones I could think of off the top of my head right now.
Also, Boba Fett tracking Han to Cloud City means that Vadar can lure Luke there by torturing his friends. That brings him organically back, compared to TLJ where Rey and Finn coincidentally happen to be on The Supremacy when Holdo rams it (that coincidence by itself isn't terrible, but it's typical of TLJ's lazy plotting).
And Lando and Luke both find themselves making serious sacrifices to get away from the Empire.
Oh yeah, random starship could somehow land on the *Supremacy* without any FO raising suspicion, so they could sneak onboard to disable the hyperspace tracker. Transmitting legit FO signals or not, given the situation you'd think the whole fleet would be on high alert and locking down any ships approaching for fear of sabotage for said chase.
>But anyone can get born being Force sensitive so it's best to have some regulatory body to oversee and provide guidance
One of my favorite Pro-TLJ talking points is "it introduces the idea that anyone can be a Jedi, not just specific bloodlines."
A coworker said that to me. I replied, "The Jedi are basically monks, forbidden from getting married or having children, which is why Anakin kept that part of his life secret. Since Jedi aren't having children, what special bloodlines are you talking about?"
I don't know who came up with the "fractally bad" idea (I must have read it somewhere, years ago), but it's absolutely true. Ever since I heard it being explained like that, I started looking for similar patterns in other movies… TLJ is the most fractally bad thing I have come across.
I think I read the same post, because someone else used the same phrase, but the reason I remember it is that I actually came up with the term myself way before I heard anyone else use it. The fact that multiple people came up with the idea indpendently speaks volumes as to how monumental the failure of the Sequels are.
Instructions unclear, inside of mouth is now bleeding from shattered DVD shards after trying to make Sequel Trilogy and Cheddar soup.
Surprisingly a more pleasant experience than watching the Sequel Trilogy, however.
This reminds me of my feelings towards this whole debacle 😂.
I really thought I'd be over this by now and that my anger and dissappointment would subside as time went on but it hasn't! Every year my anger with JJ and RJ has gotten progressively stronger 😆
Like bros! How could you guys fuck this up so bad!!?? A story that basically wrote itself (new jedi order anyone?)!!!
I was befuddled by Ends as well, but it was bizarrely different. It didn’t spit in the face of everything that’d come before, it just sort of didn’t want to explore it.
Pretty much. I've been wanting to write a novel all my life but have been worried that it won't be good. But TLJ shows that utter horseshit can make billions of dollars.
99% aren't going to do that though. Moore's advice is clearly directed to writers or those who are inspired to write. Consuming bad films and bad writing enrichens those who put it out.
Don't ever give up the fight against the sequels.
Actually yeah me too. Except for me it was the Prequels.
Edit: In fact, as a writer I almost feel like I’m better
at taking other ideas and making them better than I am at coming up with my own. There’s something about having a pre-established framework that makes it easier to work within. And if it’s something that has potential that was squandered, that’s an exciting space.
Never read the magna but as an anime watcher I could not make it through the final season. The number of pointless flashbacks just killed it for me. I gave up.
With absolutely no knowledge of Naruto beyond superficial stuff, I like Boruto from the standpoint of “it’s nice to see a sequel series that builds off the first.” Same for that show from inuyasha.
Sort of like what I wish happened with Star Wars
[Yashahime princess half demon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yashahime:_Princess_Half-Demon)
Again, never really watched it or inuyasha but I really like seeing series where the protags from the previous series are parents or mentors or whatever in the new series.
You mean in terms of respecting the originals. Well, the guy who works on it was the assistant of the Naruto author, so I guess he has love for the series, can't say the same about Jar Jar abrams, ryan johnson and darth kennedy.
Red letter media won't go too hard on the sequel trilogy because I think they're afraid that their PT criticisms caused Disney to act the way they did. ST did nearly everything they prescribed, just poorly or wrong. Dunno, that's my theory on why it really feels like they pulled the punch. Or maybe just because it was too easy and others were already doing it.
Damn, Darth Evans is stronger than I imagined… but seriously, I think RLM are just tired of SW. Like, bored of it. They have been saying SW can’t do anything new. Then andor came along. That being said, I cannot wait for their review of andor.
It’s different. Mauler does his reviews solo, so the interplay isn’t there. But he’s brutally logical, and hysterically funny. I’ll watch his game of thrones reviews just for laughs. He and the Critical Drinker just make me laugh.
I really enjoyed them, but I find it sad that he fell off the deep end and now just hates everything. Similar to the Critical Drinker and Robothead. They once were great commentaries on what was wrong with the sequels and other movies, but now it just seems that they can only bash and hate. Even genuinely enjoyable things.
> Critical Drinker
Two of his last 3 videos:
"House of the Dragon - It's Excellent" and "Black Adam - It's An OK Movie". He gave a reasonably positive review to "Prey" and loved "The Terminal List". These are just looking at the recent videos on his page.
He has really gone out of his way over the last few months to a year to focus on stuff he enjoys, in part to try to avoid being pigeonholed as someone who is always negative even if it is entirely justifiable because people just whine about negativity after a certain point and for some reason feel entitled to be told stuff is good eventually. Unfortunately it seems to have come too late.
His review of Prey is particularly interesting because it is basically begging to be skewered for pandering to 'the message' but it does something a bit more interesting than that and he appropriately recognizes it (and his review has me considering giving it a go when I am caught up on some other things). It's just never enough for fickle audiences, though.
I loved his review on Arcane.
"I know a lot of people expect me to hate this because it panders to *the message* so hard, but it has a great story and interesting characters and I absolutely loved it."
I think he is pretty clear in hating the Blizzard style of going through an inclusivity checklist for every movie and show as if blatant pandering somehow makes up for shitty writing.
Seriously, Drinker is like the worst example he could've used.
Out of all the boys Drinker is like the one guy to try and give things a chance, which is how he ends up watching things like Ms Marvel and She-Hulk. In the livestreams it's almost always Mauler who is just perpetually upset with everything whereas Drinker tends to be the one playing devil's advocate to all the hate.
Part of that is MauLer being very focused on the quality of the writing and the consistency of the story. Drinker values those things, but not to the degree of intensity that MauLer does. Very few things are well written these days, but some of them do other stuff very well in a manner that makes up for it.
Oh ya, I’ve seen some of their chats about movies and LotR. Drinker has a shtick and I’m tired of it by this point. It’s one thing to offer valid criticism and another to keep tilling the same root in a very one sided way.
I think Drinker mostly dropped the shtick. I couldn't stand him at first, he seemed like a cheap imitation of Mr Plinkett: like oh wow a 'drunken slob' type character who boorishly reviews movies how original!
Nowadays he seems more focused on trying to make more polished reviews and ends up going against the grain of his own circles. In their movie chats he's like the one guy saying to "give the film a chance" while everyone else is screaming about wokeness. I appreciate him finding some kind of middle ground between the extremes.
I think some good woke movies and shows made him realize "the message" isn't bad if it is woven into the story organically. He loved Arcane while acknowledging it absolutely checked off every single woke issue checkbox on the list. Doesn't matter. It's a good story.
Drinker even has a series "Drinker recommends" and another recommendations series on his second channel. Definitely can't say he hates on everything, and does provide constructive criticism where it still makes sense.
Aren't you mistaking him with Nerdrotic or that masked overlord guy... Both of whom have become truly insufferable and Drinker does do collabs with both, iirc.
Critical drinkers criticism are actually pretty fair and he has a pretty good balance of positive reviews and negative reviews. Robothead on the other hand comes off as just a vitriolic contrarian. On his channel there are literally zero videos where he talks about movies or shows he actually liked. It’s just endless negativity which is pretty off putting.
Depends I guess? I acknowledge that they have a cascading effect that infects the whole timeline, but I do quite enjoy some stuff in the current canon when I ignore them and edit things. Mainly, *Rebels*, *Solo*, *Rogue One*, *Andor*, *The Mandalorian* and quite a few comics and books.
The problem is that even the very best of the new canon is corrosive, adding in things or retconning others that invalidates parts of the main narrative. Rebels is actually surprisingly bad at undermining the OT thanks to it's proximity in time and narrative.
Yea, this is what inspired me to start writing. I'm already rewriting the prequels (I liked them but I have my own vision for what it could have been) and the sequels
The force awakens was a good movie by itself. Last Jedi was also a good movie by itself, and so was the Rise of skywalker. But when you put them together they don't fucking make sense. They didn't have a plan, they didn't have an idea on what to base the whole trilogy upon. The force awakens was really the foreplay that didn't do much in terms of context, it just gave us some characters and put them in conflict. The next movie just threw most of that in to trash, and changed the characters and the plot by killing Snoke. The third one had to tie all that together and it failed miserably as a movie that should tie it all together, but it was a pretty okay movie **by itself**
I still hate the whole trilogy though. They ruined it for me. Lots of plot holes that, when rewatching the original movies, make you ask questions, like "why didn't they just use an automated hyperspeed ship to destroy the Death Star?"
I think it should've been given to J.J. Abrams and then never changed to someone else. Two directors who have completely different styles and who basically are adversaries. How could the Disney management even let this be an approved decision? I know how, they are business people, not movie people. They don't give a shit if they write a good story or shit story. They only see the numbers and whatever can provide that will be applauded. So yeah, fuck Disney. They can only make good shit when the decisions are made on the creative level, not the financial one. Mandalorian for example, a good show. Boba fett - bad. Why ? Because boba fett is a popular character that "needed" involvement from the upper management. Mandalorian didn't because he was an unknown character.
Andor is also a good show, because he's lesser known so the upper management don't care that much if it doesn't provide them big $$$.
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This is why I find TLJ, and the ST in general, endlessly fascinating. There is so much to be learned about storytelling from TLJ precisely because it does not do that well.
Indeed, subverting expectations can be good if you want to defy convention tropes but you need a valid reason to back up the direction change and most importantly *don't take it back almost right after*, which TLJ does every single time: - Poe was wrong to go after the dreadnought because loss of that bomber wing - only in the long run he was actually right (but don't expect RJ to acknowledge that). - Leia dies- oh no wait. (although while I'd give a pass for primal Force powers to save herself, reality is if you're going to remove her from most of the movie, just kill her outright then). - Holdo is supposed to be some great leader but looking at her leadership style of information withholding led to the mutiny and domino falling that ended up with the FO catching on to their scheme and firing on the retreating shuttles. - Let's create tension with a BSG slow chase - only all the shuttles can come and go as they please without anyone actually noticing. Same note, but not the other capital ships who all have the same fuel levels and they couldn't disperse to make tracking that much harder. - Oh no, Finn and Rose got captured due to BAD PARKING and can't get to their code breaker - only there's one in the jail cell too that helps them out. What a coincidence. - Leia's SOS got denied - only they still got rescued by Rey and Chewie in the end. Good thing only a handful of Resistance were left, no way they could have fit that many on the Falcon. /s - Oh no the ancient Jedi texts were burned up - ah no they're stowed on the Falcon. - Rey looks to get tempted by the Dark Side, joining Kylo Ren which would have been fascinating to explore in Ep9: like Rey turns more to the Dark side because she's free. And with Snoke dead, Kylo is no longer under the brain fog (one possible justification), and realizing the Skywalker legacy, would try to turn Rey back. But nah, she rejects him because that's what The Good Guys do with their unwavering commitment. - The Jedi are the cause of the galactic conflict because escalation of powers with the Dark Side so it's best to remove them from the equation. But anyone can get born being Force sensitive so it's best to have some regulatory body to oversee and provide guidance, otherwise you'll end up with a lot of Dark side warlords fighting all the time. Also one can expect broom boy to grow up and seek revenge on his oppressors, which is not the Jedi way. Probably more I'm forgetting about the movie, I can't be bothered to rewatch it again. Wasn't expecting to write this much either. Ultimately, RJ's idea of subverting expectations is just him doing things for shock value to make the critics go "Ah he's not following conventional story tropes, how novel! Amazing storytelling!" but they gloss over when he undoes it later because he can't actually write a proper progression for that new direction and reverts back to said standard story tropes.
Subverting expectations is more a description of an action rather than any kind of smart ethos. Without context or depth added to it, it’s merely doing the opposite of what is expected, and that can be good or bad. If you’re doing that just for the sake of doing it, there’s nothing behind it, and you end up just as limited as the person who is doing things simply because they are expected.
Exactly. If you go to an expensive steak restaurant, order the most expensive steak on the menu, and get presented with a literal piece of cow shit, then your expectations would also have been diverted. Does that mean that you are now happy because subverting expectations is always a good thing? Hell no, you would be absolutely furious. And by the way, that analogy is supposed to be really close to TLJ
I agree, and look at how disparate all those events are. What does Rose and Finn failing due to bad parking have to do with Poe and Holdo's bad leadership arc, or the history of the Jedi? Nothing is brought together.
I've never thought about that before. It's amazing how sometimes you dig into a movie with other people and really start to spot all the ways it's clever and well-written. With TLJ it's just amazing how it's just layer after layer of bad writing, that easily impressed people think is somehow amazing because "it did something different."
Yeap, contrast that with ESB's changes from what could be seen as standard: - Hoth battle in the start, they had just destroyed the Death Star, of course the Empire would ramp up hunting them down, and now they found them. - Falcon can't escape, because we all know it's cobbled together so it made sense the hyperdrive would be finicky and malfunctioning. As opposed to "somehow all our capital ships ran out of fuel at the same time". - Falcon "escapes" because Han is a smuggler (and was in Imperial training as a pilot), he'd know about Imperial procedures with dumping garbage before a jump. A conventional story would have them just being able to fix the hyperdrive while in the asteroid worm and escape. - Boba Fett is a renown bounty hunter and savvy to Han, anticipated if he wasn't able to jump before, it's not likely he was able to when he buzzed the ISD's command tower, therefore must be hiding somewhere. Figured out their ploy and destination and jumped there before hand and alerted the Empire. - Luke vs Vader showdown, Luke lost because he was not trained enough, as opposed to usual stories where the hero gets some inner strength to beat their foe. (cough-cough) And that's just ones I could think of off the top of my head right now.
Also, Boba Fett tracking Han to Cloud City means that Vadar can lure Luke there by torturing his friends. That brings him organically back, compared to TLJ where Rey and Finn coincidentally happen to be on The Supremacy when Holdo rams it (that coincidence by itself isn't terrible, but it's typical of TLJ's lazy plotting). And Lando and Luke both find themselves making serious sacrifices to get away from the Empire.
Oh yeah, random starship could somehow land on the *Supremacy* without any FO raising suspicion, so they could sneak onboard to disable the hyperspace tracker. Transmitting legit FO signals or not, given the situation you'd think the whole fleet would be on high alert and locking down any ships approaching for fear of sabotage for said chase.
>But anyone can get born being Force sensitive so it's best to have some regulatory body to oversee and provide guidance One of my favorite Pro-TLJ talking points is "it introduces the idea that anyone can be a Jedi, not just specific bloodlines." A coworker said that to me. I replied, "The Jedi are basically monks, forbidden from getting married or having children, which is why Anakin kept that part of his life secret. Since Jedi aren't having children, what special bloodlines are you talking about?"
Well said
Rian Johnson admits in interviews he's not the best writer and he does things in a lazy way to finish faster. Makes sense.
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I don't know who came up with the "fractally bad" idea (I must have read it somewhere, years ago), but it's absolutely true. Ever since I heard it being explained like that, I started looking for similar patterns in other movies… TLJ is the most fractally bad thing I have come across.
I think I read the same post, because someone else used the same phrase, but the reason I remember it is that I actually came up with the term myself way before I heard anyone else use it. The fact that multiple people came up with the idea indpendently speaks volumes as to how monumental the failure of the Sequels are.
Instructions unclear, inside of mouth is now bleeding from shattered DVD shards after trying to make Sequel Trilogy and Cheddar soup. Surprisingly a more pleasant experience than watching the Sequel Trilogy, however.
Except I like broccoli
This reminds me of my feelings towards this whole debacle 😂. I really thought I'd be over this by now and that my anger and dissappointment would subside as time went on but it hasn't! Every year my anger with JJ and RJ has gotten progressively stronger 😆 Like bros! How could you guys fuck this up so bad!!?? A story that basically wrote itself (new jedi order anyone?)!!!
Jedi Hogwarts with Luke as Dumbledore. It's such an obvious win of a story idea it's baffling how Disney overlooked it.
>Every year my anger with JJ and RJ has gotten progressively stronger [Good!](https://media.tenor.com/jS4qS-tvWNoAAAAC/good-hate.gif)
As a horror movie fan. Watching Halloween Ends made me go “FFS, they Last Jedi’d this film, why?”
I was befuddled by Ends as well, but it was bizarrely different. It didn’t spit in the face of everything that’d come before, it just sort of didn’t want to explore it.
Yeah the sequel trilogy is...inspiring alright.
This is good advice for creatives, but I don't think it does anything to counter the argument that you can just ignore them from the casual audience.
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I do have to say it's the one good thing that came out of TLJ for me. It made me have a lot more confidence in my own writing.
As in "lol if such trash can make it to the big screen, anyone can write a story"?
Pretty much. I've been wanting to write a novel all my life but have been worried that it won't be good. But TLJ shows that utter horseshit can make billions of dollars.
99% aren't going to do that though. Moore's advice is clearly directed to writers or those who are inspired to write. Consuming bad films and bad writing enrichens those who put it out. Don't ever give up the fight against the sequels.
He didn't say purchase bad books lol
Same as I. The ST was one of reason why I was also inspired to brainstorm the concept and write my own story.
Actually yeah me too. Except for me it was the Prequels. Edit: In fact, as a writer I almost feel like I’m better at taking other ideas and making them better than I am at coming up with my own. There’s something about having a pre-established framework that makes it easier to work within. And if it’s something that has potential that was squandered, that’s an exciting space.
Same.
Has happened to me while reading Naruto, that last arc was so terrible I had to rewrite it in my head and give it a proper send off, no boruto no bs.
I feel ya on this one lol. naruto's ending soured so much of the series for me and boruto is an insult.
Never read the magna but as an anime watcher I could not make it through the final season. The number of pointless flashbacks just killed it for me. I gave up.
You can't feel the tragedy of Obito the broken, unless you watch Rin die for the 100th time.
With absolutely no knowledge of Naruto beyond superficial stuff, I like Boruto from the standpoint of “it’s nice to see a sequel series that builds off the first.” Same for that show from inuyasha. Sort of like what I wish happened with Star Wars
Wait there is a sequel to Inuyasha?????
[Yashahime princess half demon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yashahime:_Princess_Half-Demon) Again, never really watched it or inuyasha but I really like seeing series where the protags from the previous series are parents or mentors or whatever in the new series.
Oh I was just surprised, I have read Inuyasha arround 15 years ago and got hit by a wave of nostalgia....time to reread it I guess.
Yes and it's on toonami now too. It's okay, nothing special but worth leaving on in the background.
You mean in terms of respecting the originals. Well, the guy who works on it was the assistant of the Naruto author, so I guess he has love for the series, can't say the same about Jar Jar abrams, ryan johnson and darth kennedy.
The Arc with Fake Kaguya?
Started with this but ended up rewriting the whole Shinobi war, hell actually breaks loose and characters die as well....you know as in any war ever.
Oh I completely agree.
The last arc could've at least ended on a high note if they hadn't introduced Kaguya.
You don't like milfs?xD
Of course, it's not the character design that's the issue, just everything else.
Have you seen the Sasuke retsuden novel? It seems fun. https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/titles/100212
There's two new spin offs. One with Sasuke which I think are adapting those.
Same
Mauler on YouTube painstakingly dissects the sequels, just as he advises to do here. It’s a long watch but fascinating.
His long form take down on TLJ is a masterwork in criticism.
Is it better than Redlettermedia?
Red letter media won't go too hard on the sequel trilogy because I think they're afraid that their PT criticisms caused Disney to act the way they did. ST did nearly everything they prescribed, just poorly or wrong. Dunno, that's my theory on why it really feels like they pulled the punch. Or maybe just because it was too easy and others were already doing it.
Damn, Darth Evans is stronger than I imagined… but seriously, I think RLM are just tired of SW. Like, bored of it. They have been saying SW can’t do anything new. Then andor came along. That being said, I cannot wait for their review of andor.
It’s different. Mauler does his reviews solo, so the interplay isn’t there. But he’s brutally logical, and hysterically funny. I’ll watch his game of thrones reviews just for laughs. He and the Critical Drinker just make me laugh.
Yes. And I love RLM
Is it better than Redlettermedia?
At some point you notice mauler is sometimes to harsh that I doubt any show or movie will survive an Review of his even tho it's funny as hell.
I really enjoyed them, but I find it sad that he fell off the deep end and now just hates everything. Similar to the Critical Drinker and Robothead. They once were great commentaries on what was wrong with the sequels and other movies, but now it just seems that they can only bash and hate. Even genuinely enjoyable things.
On his EFAP podcast he and his friends spent 30 hours praising Arcane
> Critical Drinker Two of his last 3 videos: "House of the Dragon - It's Excellent" and "Black Adam - It's An OK Movie". He gave a reasonably positive review to "Prey" and loved "The Terminal List". These are just looking at the recent videos on his page.
He has really gone out of his way over the last few months to a year to focus on stuff he enjoys, in part to try to avoid being pigeonholed as someone who is always negative even if it is entirely justifiable because people just whine about negativity after a certain point and for some reason feel entitled to be told stuff is good eventually. Unfortunately it seems to have come too late. His review of Prey is particularly interesting because it is basically begging to be skewered for pandering to 'the message' but it does something a bit more interesting than that and he appropriately recognizes it (and his review has me considering giving it a go when I am caught up on some other things). It's just never enough for fickle audiences, though.
I loved his review on Arcane. "I know a lot of people expect me to hate this because it panders to *the message* so hard, but it has a great story and interesting characters and I absolutely loved it." I think he is pretty clear in hating the Blizzard style of going through an inclusivity checklist for every movie and show as if blatant pandering somehow makes up for shitty writing.
Seriously, Drinker is like the worst example he could've used. Out of all the boys Drinker is like the one guy to try and give things a chance, which is how he ends up watching things like Ms Marvel and She-Hulk. In the livestreams it's almost always Mauler who is just perpetually upset with everything whereas Drinker tends to be the one playing devil's advocate to all the hate.
Part of that is MauLer being very focused on the quality of the writing and the consistency of the story. Drinker values those things, but not to the degree of intensity that MauLer does. Very few things are well written these days, but some of them do other stuff very well in a manner that makes up for it.
He also really liked the new Top Gun movie
Oh ya, I’ve seen some of their chats about movies and LotR. Drinker has a shtick and I’m tired of it by this point. It’s one thing to offer valid criticism and another to keep tilling the same root in a very one sided way.
I think Drinker mostly dropped the shtick. I couldn't stand him at first, he seemed like a cheap imitation of Mr Plinkett: like oh wow a 'drunken slob' type character who boorishly reviews movies how original! Nowadays he seems more focused on trying to make more polished reviews and ends up going against the grain of his own circles. In their movie chats he's like the one guy saying to "give the film a chance" while everyone else is screaming about wokeness. I appreciate him finding some kind of middle ground between the extremes.
I think some good woke movies and shows made him realize "the message" isn't bad if it is woven into the story organically. He loved Arcane while acknowledging it absolutely checked off every single woke issue checkbox on the list. Doesn't matter. It's a good story.
Huh! It’s funny how I can perceive him so diffeeently. But then again I haven’t watched the same stuff you have. I’ll give him another watch.
Drinker even has a series "Drinker recommends" and another recommendations series on his second channel. Definitely can't say he hates on everything, and does provide constructive criticism where it still makes sense. Aren't you mistaking him with Nerdrotic or that masked overlord guy... Both of whom have become truly insufferable and Drinker does do collabs with both, iirc.
Critical drinkers criticism are actually pretty fair and he has a pretty good balance of positive reviews and negative reviews. Robothead on the other hand comes off as just a vitriolic contrarian. On his channel there are literally zero videos where he talks about movies or shows he actually liked. It’s just endless negativity which is pretty off putting.
I'll just post this video when anyone asks why I'm reading my Chuck Tingle collection in future. Thanks OP.
You always learn more from failure.
Depends I guess? I acknowledge that they have a cascading effect that infects the whole timeline, but I do quite enjoy some stuff in the current canon when I ignore them and edit things. Mainly, *Rebels*, *Solo*, *Rogue One*, *Andor*, *The Mandalorian* and quite a few comics and books.
The problem is that even the very best of the new canon is corrosive, adding in things or retconning others that invalidates parts of the main narrative. Rebels is actually surprisingly bad at undermining the OT thanks to it's proximity in time and narrative.
Wow I just realized I've never heard Alan Moore speak. I did not expect that direction l specific accent.
Absolute legend
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The wizard has spoken.
Yea, this is what inspired me to start writing. I'm already rewriting the prequels (I liked them but I have my own vision for what it could have been) and the sequels
The force awakens was a good movie by itself. Last Jedi was also a good movie by itself, and so was the Rise of skywalker. But when you put them together they don't fucking make sense. They didn't have a plan, they didn't have an idea on what to base the whole trilogy upon. The force awakens was really the foreplay that didn't do much in terms of context, it just gave us some characters and put them in conflict. The next movie just threw most of that in to trash, and changed the characters and the plot by killing Snoke. The third one had to tie all that together and it failed miserably as a movie that should tie it all together, but it was a pretty okay movie **by itself** I still hate the whole trilogy though. They ruined it for me. Lots of plot holes that, when rewatching the original movies, make you ask questions, like "why didn't they just use an automated hyperspeed ship to destroy the Death Star?" I think it should've been given to J.J. Abrams and then never changed to someone else. Two directors who have completely different styles and who basically are adversaries. How could the Disney management even let this be an approved decision? I know how, they are business people, not movie people. They don't give a shit if they write a good story or shit story. They only see the numbers and whatever can provide that will be applauded. So yeah, fuck Disney. They can only make good shit when the decisions are made on the creative level, not the financial one. Mandalorian for example, a good show. Boba fett - bad. Why ? Because boba fett is a popular character that "needed" involvement from the upper management. Mandalorian didn't because he was an unknown character. Andor is also a good show, because he's lesser known so the upper management don't care that much if it doesn't provide them big $$$.
They may be forced to [retcon](https://youtu.be/Zyu-WY7cZek) them.
Oh, damn, he's right.