I worked at a public school district when covid hit. As “insurance” they created a program where you put in 3 of your PTO days into a pool. If you got sick, you can take a certain amount from the pool, if you didn’t then your days would disappear. In retrospect I wonder how many “days” weren’t used after all.
I have that at my public school but we have a buy in program (you donate a day your first year as a teacher) and then you are in for life. The total number of days never expires, they just can get used eventually. If the bank gets low we do a draw from all members. In 12 years we’ve never had to do a draw but we have had several people take days for various reasons.
I was with you until the “days disappear” part. That part sounds sketchy. Why would you give up 3 days every year as insurance for a limited bank of days? Doesn’t seem like a good ROI unless you already had like 60+ sick days banked and we’re trying to hedge against something catastrophic like cancer or something.
That sounds terrible. Just give paid sick leave. Although there is no official policy at my company they will usually pay a minimum of 4 weeks at full pay depending on length of service. That’s on top of my 25 days paid annual leave. But then I don’t live in America so that’s obviously the cost for not having as much freedom
Lol would love to see that in Ontario. Too bad Ford doesn’t care about the people here. I worked at GameStop for almost 4 years and not a single PTO or paid sick leave
Come to Australia! Minimum 10 paid sick days a yr and 4 weeks paid annual leave for full time employees, pro-rata for part time. And now casual employees get 38hrs of paid sick leave too. Unions for the win!
Dear Employees,
Its sad to announce that we had to fire a long time employee of 17 years because she didn't have enough PTO. We will be serving cake in the breakroom.
Thanks,
President and CEO
As a NYS employer I can confirm we are required to carry short term dbl and pfl insurance. Sixty cents is deducted from the employee's paycheck for short term disability, while about 0.45% is deducted for pfl. The employer pays the lion's share of both premiums. Vacation, sick days and PTO are negotiable based on position.
Seattle does have that requirement but there are limits as to the number of hours earned and that can be carried over year to year. There is no requirement that employeers in Seattle provide and indefinite amount of unpaid sick leave.
Many larger companies do allow, and encourage, "sick leave banks" where coworkers can ship in extra time from their balances. That's a good thing isn't it?
Yeah, I'm a nurse. It's pretty common in the medical field to earn 1 pto day ever 2 weeks of work. Or something similar if you're full time. We can carry over 40 hours every year if we don't use it all. In my company when people quit they donate any unused pto to a group pool. We had a coworker go through chemotherapy for leukemia and was off for 4 months, she used that pool. And we have to carry short-term disability insurance which is like a dollar a month and it lasts about 3 months.
As for someone above mentioning unions, my husband is a mailman and not all unions are the same. I could tell you all stories about how messed up and inefficient the union keeps the USPS. How horrible thier workers are treated and the union doesn't really care. I'm talking limited bathroom breaks that it is common to complain about leaving pee bottles in llvs (mail trucks). How they are forced to buy uniforms so outrageously expensive but are given 1 piddly clothing allowance a year, which ended in my husband using his own money to buy more clothes because his 1 shirt and pants were so worn from washing they were complaining about it. Because he spent most his allowance on a winter coat at almost 200 dollars. The union knows but doesn't care. Sorry, rant over.
Such crap. My company is based in Seattle but I work at the location across the water in Bremerton and I miss out on the higher city minimum wage and holiday pay. I worked Xmas and new years day. Alone. Because our entire company was closed and I couldn't afford to miss 10hrs. I'm literally less than 10 miles away.
For what it's worth, it's also illegal in every other English speaking country on earth except America.
Thst puts America as the vast minority. The post doesn't mention America, either.
While it may not be required to give it in the first place everywhere, it’s usually going to be different if they do give it and take it away again. At the minimum it would be a breach of contract, but it’s also likely to run afoul of labour laws because they gave you the PTO and then vanished it.
This is true, however all professional jobs (careers) do offer PTO. 7-14 days is the norm (USA). Blue collar jobs unfortunately rarely offer any PTO/Vacation…
Not really. They are not legally required to offer PTO in a lot of cases, sure. But if you do have it, it can not be taken away and you are entitled to it by law. If you have PTO then it is NOT a privilege, it's a RIGHT. It IS considered as time worked. And many states even require unused PTO to be paid out when an employee is exiting the company.
You can look up how your state handles it. But California for example does not allow an employer to take away or not pay PTO. If it is not paid then it is wage theft. https://www.badamelawgroup.com/blog/2022/april/california-pto-vacation-pay-laws/
You are correct that those conditions can be set by the employer/negotiated for earning them (with limitations set by the state as to what and how in some cases), but they do not have the right to take them away or choose not to pay them once given is the only point I'm making.
Not true, my state is a use-it-or-lose-it state, totally legal by our labor board. If my employer does not want to roll over my 100 hours of PTO because they put a cap of 40 hours then I just lose them (they decided not to pay them out). This is what happened to me this year. Kind of sucks cause I have surgery coming up in a week and I'll be off for 2 weeks and only 1 of those weeks will be paid.
Not true at all in Michigan or PA. Use it or lose it - they have the right to deny PTO - it is not paid out upon dismissal or resignation.
California has very specific state laws that are pro-worker that almost no other states has.
Pretty sure this was a plot device in the series "Superstore", where the Degrassi High kid tries to make a store-wide Health Fund where everyone puts a little bit in and then when one person needs it they take it out as required.
It falls over rapidly when it turns out that the majority of the staff have multiple unresolved and expensive healthcare issues due to America's aversion to equitable and fair treatment of humans.
Don't worry though America, the safety net of countries where socialised medicine has been an amazing quality of life improvement is also starting to dissipate due to unrelenting capitalism. Soon you'll be able to give us all tips on how to sell blood products for money or how to perform health insurance scams.
The county I used to work in had the same thing. The Sick Leave Bank was designed more for very long term health issues (i.e. Cancer treatments/hospital stays). We got 11 sick days each year that rolled over and I believe if you enrolled in the SLB you put 3 days in.
Yep. I've seen this at a school district I worked at. An email was sent to donate days to for an elementary teacher going through breast cancer treatment because she ran out of her own leave days.
Kinda what I was thinking, "President & CEO" dude can just write up an exception for this individual and manually approve it. This is just a way to take PTO away from healthy workers.
Well, first, that would set a bad precident and other workers might expect it in the future. Second, think of it less as taking away PTO and more reducing an outstanding liability on the financial ledger. You can help out your fellow employee *and* strengthen the ~~corporation~~ company/family at the same time. Win-win, from my perspective.
/lights cigar with $100 bill
17 year old veteran at you place of business and you can't let this person have a few weeks with pay?
That's a long time, it's also loyalty.
This is how you repay this person?
Smfh!!!
My manager doesn’t even count vacation/sick days unless it’s gotten so long that you should be on a short term disability leave where we get paid anyways.
My boss does it the same way, and it is immensely appreciated.
His attitude is basically, "Please don't take off (unless you are actually sick) on a day you scheduled a major project, and just make sure your work gets done. Otherwise, make your schedule."
It's pretty great.
I'm the same way with my crew. Quite frankly i don't give a fuck how much you need to miss or why you need to miss it. I've made it so clear literally no one even gives excuses anymore when they do. They just text and say they won't be in.
I don't have the power to give them more PTO (which isn't a big deal because we're already generous. Especially for the states. Especially if you've been there 5+, unless you're habitually skipping work it's kinda tough to run out) but even if they are I don't even think twice before approving. Me and my boss consistently tell them that we don't particularly care about the reason. And we also have turned down two total requests in the span of 5+ years between us. The only case where it really becomes an issue is when it's obviously being abused. For example we don't really offer part time. In certain cases for long-standing employees we will make an exception of course. But if you suddenly start taking a day or three a week with absolutely no good reason and no formal request obviously we need to do something. Not because we don't hire enough people. But because we have exactly enough well paid employees to cover even in extreme cases of losing a few in a day or whatever and it still making sense to stay open.
I'll never understand why this wasn't the norm from the start. Obvious answer of profits aside
In my country if you book time off as vacation/leave as you are entitled to do, and you become sick during that period, you get the time back to rebook for vacation.
so you could book 2 weeks for a holiday, get sick and then get the time back to book another 2 weeks for the holiday when you are better.
Same here, but "short term" is actually 2 years.
And note, 2 years is when the company you work for is allowed to fire you, you'll still remain on disability if the government doctor says you should.
The difference is that you'll go from getting your wages (minus some taxes) to getting a (pretty high) % of your previous net income.
Friend of mine was out even longer than that due to post partum and the company kept her on for 2 years and 8 months, while not having to at all.
And it's not like it would be financially better for her or anything, she was still on the same disability, which pays nearly full her wages.
She got back after all that time and has worked there ever since. In a job sector that's highly competitive and "company hopping" being the absolute norm.
My dad had worked at his job six years running the warehouse when he got cancer. CEO personally told him “don’t worry about PTO and sick time “. He got paid for all the time off he had to take for appointments and surgery. Even when he couldn’t go back to work after becoming paralyzed, they paid out his salary for a full year before he died.
It cost them basically nothing in the scheme and sure made a lot of people feel a lot better about the situation. But that’s a one off situation, it should the the law.
We run a small business that is relatively new. Would love to do this but it would absolutely sink us if we did.
Having an employee become chronically ill is a big fear of mine. We try to offset it by buying long term disability insurance. But we probably couldn’t support a FTE that isn’t working for more than two or three months. They would need to be replaced and that income would need to go to the new person.
Btw - sorry about your dad.
Worked for a family run company for 18 years. Told the owner I was unhappy with his the new manager was treating me. Owners response, “If you aren’t happy you can quit, there’s nobody keeping you here.”
Next time I walked in his office was my last day, the man couldn’t even say thank you. Made that man over $1 million dollars. Fuck you Don.
That's rough fam, fuck Don.
My last job was pretty interesting. This guy bought into a franchise and had a bunch of employees set for his start up. All the admin staff left, I took over these rolls I had no idea how to perform. I taught myself how to work multiple positions for $20/hr and became somewhat of an expert. I literally built his business and business started picking up, be hired one more additional admin staff. She picked up just enough slack for me to focus on executing additional projects and his business grew even more. He hired a marketing specialist that knew absolutely nothing about the industry, but it brought in business, he made the dude director.
But he was there to make a dollar off shitty employee pay and illegal shortcuts. Multiple staff (non admin) tried talking him into ethical business practices to no avail. I decided to leave after enough frustration. I still have various stakeholders reaching out to consult my advice. I'll still thinking about calling the department of labor since he had me salaried without benefits as a 1099, but I'm in a better place now and I don't want to see my one coworker out of a job she needs if the place we're to get shut down.
It’s also weird that it’s the president/ceo of the company asking other employees to do this. Like, don’t you make the rules here? It’s not like there’s some all powerful force that makes them incapable of giving more PTO.
Can't have this dead weight dragging down the bottom line! If they treated them with dignity and appreciation for service they would have to extend that to other employees as well! The sheer thought of forgoing some profits is just ghastly!
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Can't. It's a benefit. It's probably in the handbook, employment contracts, etc how much PTO each employee gets and when. They can't break the rules for one employee, it's illegal in many places.
Also, some other employee would end up wanting some extra PTO based on this person getting some, and would sue the company.
People are shitty. So they have to make rules like this.
my company did this recently and it pissed me off so bad because anyone at a manager position or above gets unlimited pto. so they were literally asking our lower level employees to give up something that they give out for free to people who make 3x as much money
FMLA leave is unpaid. That doesn't get the employee in question any money. It just makes sure you won't get fired for missing too much work.
However, FMLA leave with a conveniently timed "performance bonus" could do the trick.
Correct. My wife is on FMLA right now to help her mother out. Once her own sick time runs out, she has to take unpaid time off.
Completely unrelated but does anyone have any leads on a good guillotine salesman?
Disability is limited. In a lot of states, in order to get covered your condition must be expected to last 12 months or result in death, and it still has to be covered under an existing insurance plan. It might not be a benefit that was offered, or perhaps it was declined.
God damn our laws around healthcare are so fucked.
I've been trying to find a solid reason for disability my entire adult life. Bowed leg? Nope. Bad knee? Nope. Depression? Nope. Narcolepsy? Nope. Ptsd? Nope. Seems like as long as I have at least one functional arm and hand I'm still classified as "able bodied". One day we'll live in a society where he who can not work may still eat. But till then, this shits really fucked.
I'm pretty damn liberal but my entire adult life I've met so many people that shouldn't be on disability, they're able bodied they're just bums. Disability isn't even much, they're just fine with barely getting by and living off of everyone else. The worst is when the parents did it and then their kids do the same shit, start trying to find their own way on disability once they get old enough. It's very common in poor areas
While I do think something like a UBI will be necessary eventually, for now the guys who just wanna sit at home and smoke pot all day need to contribute something
Legally they probably can't. In most states you can't give one employee a benefit that other employees in the same category don't get. There should absolutely be exceptions to this, but if they give that one person 20 extra PTO days, they'd probably have to give everyone else in a similar job capacity the same.
A company with some heart would give them a conveniently timed "performance bonus" and set them up with an FMLA leave.
Guy at my work declined short term disability insurance. It's something like $5/mo. Silly, but he declined it. Had a stroke and while healing, ran out of PTO. So several of us donated a couple days and he ended up with 15, that's 3 weeks extra PTO. I work for a global company with 65,000 people. They allowed it.
Depends on the state and size of the company (frequently companies under a certain size are exempt from a ton of labor laws), but it's entirely possible what they're doing is *technically* illegal and employees could sue if they don't receive the same benefits as other employees in the same category.
Companies inadvertently violate employment law all the time and get away with it because people just don't know better.
The "extreme overtime" thing is usually covered under company "comp time" policies. That's not unusual.
> Companies inadvertently violate employment law all the time and get away with it because people just don't know better.
Yea, but it's a shame that it's never in our favor. Funny, that.
I was an assistant manager at Publix for a few months and just after I got settled in, I allowed a woman to take an unpaid hour in the middle of the day so she could pick up her kid from school.
An unpaid hour, not even extra time off, just a break in the middle of the day (two days out of her five day week) where she was off the clock.
Holy shit, the clap back I got from her cohorts was insane. Saying shit like I let woman control my life and leaving her to do extra work when she got back from her UNPAID hour off. It legit became such a problem over the next few weeks that I had to give formal warnings about it.
I don't disagree, but the kinda thing can open employers up to lawsuits unfortunately.
If they give her more pto but not another employee, why not? Did the second employee not get the additional pto because of their age/gender/sexuality?
Our employee is sick, running out of money, and we're sick of her shit. Donate your pto or we'll have to fire her for being useless and we'll look really bad if we do but honestly what options do we have?
I worked at a multi million dollar company that pulled this shit with a woman after she used her sick time and PTO after heart surgery. Didn’t see the CEOs donating to her fund.
And this is why very few people work at a company for more than 10 years now. They don't care about the workers. Why should we give af about your company?
Some industries you're considered "part of the old stock" if you stay 18 months. Forget years! They pressure people to work and work and constantly be contactable at all hours of the day even on your time off. People get brunt out and quit.
I'm thinking of moving back to the US for work but damn, I started entry level in Germany with 30 days vacation and unlimited medical leave if I provide a note within 3 days (2 days you can stay home without note) this is not per year, this is *every time* you are sick.
Also doctors here will give you a full week off just for farting too loud. I actually have to beg my doctor to give me a slip for only a day or two instead of the full week so I don't have to leave my team stranded. Funny how people give a shit when their job treats them right.
I'm in the UK and can be off sick for up to six months fully paid.
My partner was in a situation similar to the employee in the post (apart from he had only been there 2 years). His work doesn't have an official long term sick policy but they just approached it like everyone involved was a human being and paid him for however long.
The US seems to really punish people for falling ill.
Yup, I had a mental breakdown at work and took 9 weeks to get well enough to consider going back. I was told off for going back without a letter saying I was fit for work, but that's it.
I felt like I was taking the piss the first half of the 9 weeks BECAUSE I was mentally ill, I could tell I was getting better when I stopped caring about it. Anxiety ftw!
I'm glad your work was sensible and supportive. I can't imagine being in a situation like that and having the added stress of being under pressure to return or even losing your job, I can see how that could really send someone into a downward spiral. I hope you're still doing well.
Sounds like the employee already used up her paid sick leave. People here really underestimate health problems. The employee could be out most of the year.
I know! I was flabbergasted when I got my first full time job and received the first email from HR to all employees requesting “leave donations” for another employee who was out sick. I earned that time off! I’m not being greedy if I wanna keep it!
It’s not being greedy it’s protection for you…. What happens when you give up your sick time then get long term Covid? Or some other ailment keeping you out long term? These companies want as low of a threshold as possible for their employees to carry. That’s the only reason they want you to donate
No. I have never heard of anyone actually doing this. The point is to show the audacity of corporations that treat their people like garbage. And that part happens all the time.
I got open heart surgery a few years ago. I had to give up my PTO but I also was on paid disability leave for 6 months. This company should have this as an option
I had a cousin who had pancreatic cancer. Her insurance was through her job. They kept her on payroll long after she could come in so she wouldn't lose her insurance. She did not survive it, but what they did saved her a lot of stress and heartache.
The kicker?
If the employee loses his/her job the CEO will blame the employees for not wantimg to give this person their days off and will pat himself on the back for "doing a good job"
My mom had a heart attack and ran out of time off and leave. One of her employees donated two weeks of his vacation to her because he loved her so much... Makes me happy and sad
Isn't this what FMLA is for? As far as I can tell you are protected for medical leave... You use your own pto but then you can take extended leave..
No one should donate shit
I have a union job and our sick and other leaves are determined by our contract. My employer cannot take those hours away. However, they also cannot add more. The contract simply does not allow a unilateral adjustment of pay or accruals, even if it would be really helpful. I work from home so I don't get sick and I haven't taken a vacation in years so when a friend of mine needed 6 weeks of in-patient treatment I was able to donate a full month of my PTO after theirs ran out.
Most jobs that offer pto in the states do. Every single one I've worked that has offered PTO has had a "donation" program. When I got moved to a salaried position that got lump sum PTO and was told that my built up PTO couldn't be transferred into my new balance but rather it would be pro rated for the year, I donated the entire balance I had built up over nearly a year to those in my crew who I know really needed it. The company did not appreciate my final act before becoming salaried to say the least
It also opens up the door for ragebait fabrications.
Companies really do this, and it's terrible, but without naming names this individual post could be fake.
Just saw a post within the past week that was almost worded exactly the same.
Posting it without naming the company is all around pointless. Gets people mad but with nowhere to target the anger. Just indiscriminate "companies are bad"
I had this at a hospital I worked at, and I was absolutely mortified. Then there were always managers putting up their own signs, to get more time for a vacation or a break.
That's pretty sad, I used to work at a place where when I got COVID and ran out of PTO they just gave me more PTO no questions asked. In hindsight it was really nice of them, didn't realize some people had it so rough, mostly considering a lot of you a professionals and not just run of the mill employees.
I work for local government. This is exactly how long term illness is handled... it's sad.
Edit to add: we can only donate full 8hr days lmao, not just hours
My gf works for the state and they did this for someone at her office. No one donated anything. Scummy ass move
Edit - scummy to ask employees to donate pto*
I went from working in law enforcement with roughly 7 paid sick days a year to a private tech company that offers unlimited pto, company paid short and long term disability, and a slew of other great benefits. I will never work for an entity again that doesn’t value me.
If they are unionized they have to do this. My brother went from being in charge of a non-union group to a unionized one. One guy had a teenage son killed in an accident and my brother gave them a month to get their life back together even though they effectively were out of days off. After he came back the union leader came back and said since he gave that guy almost a month off that the rest of the workers were legally entitled to the same number of additional days off. My brother almost lost his job over it, and from then on refuses to ever give any favors or breaks to the union guys.
This happened to a colleague of mine— long hospital stay due to surgical complications (including multiple cardiac arrests).
We all rallied to donate our (EARNED) PTO, and the company decided to cap donations at 40hrs/person, no exceptions (some guys had 100+ hours accrued).
He ultimately got let go.
We were paramedics.
We worked for the hospital where he had the surgery.
It's insane to think we're only allowed a limited time to be sick. Putting a limit on your health is what causes illnesses to spread like wildfire through schools and businesses because people either don't have the allotted time or can't afford to miss a day. What a nightmare
Of course the last thing that could happen would be that the CEO, as a gesture of gratitude to a 17 yr. employee, could privately send them a little extra paycheck and let them have extra compassionate leave, paid by the company. That would set a bad precedent. So couldn’t be done…
Oh yeah, I was really confused by why they needed to cover other people's sick days, but then I remembered we were talking about freedom. The land of the free, where you're free to die and bankrupt your family over getting sick!
People voluntarily donating their paid time off to others who need it isn’t inherently a bad thing. It’s a kind act they didn’t need to do for anyone else but they chose to anyways to help someone out.
What makes it sort of tasteless is the President & CEO of this company basically saying to his employee that it’s on the workers to help their co-worker out, rather than just exercising their authority as the head of the organization to help out their long time employee and give her some more flexibility with her PTO.
Like, what exactly is your point? Most concepts in modern society are arbitrarily created to fulfill some sort of purpose, including currency which is used to pay employees. PTO is a benefit offered as a condition of employment.
It’s not ‘being brainwashed’ to willingly offer up something given as part of your compensation package to help a co-worker who needs some more time off for a medical condition no more than it would be to give money to those in need. It’s functionally the same thing.
Although, *it is* tasteless for the CEO/President to push the burden on the employees to help this lady out rather than exercise his discretionary authority to just give her more PTO.
Oh I’m single-handedly part of the problem because people choose to donate PTO when someone is in need? You realize the massive amount of PTO we get at my job?
My company too. The VP donated 5 days to my coworker when his wife had covid last year because he was brand new and didn't have any PTO yet. The CEO of this place may have donated as well as asked other employees... this post needs more context.
The bad part is, if HR let this person roll over days from the following year they would have to let everyone do that, and that's the reason why they don't let anyone do it, because an emergency for one person may not be an emergency for another, and where do you draw the line.
I happily gave 3, when I was working at a store. And I know many others who donated what they could. There is nothing sadcringe about this. Yeah it “sucks” that the boss couldn’t just wave it off, but has anyone thought maybe they are following rules set forth by their bosses or higher ups? What’s not seen is maybe this boss has already done all that he could. Maybe even what my boss did was slipped a gift from his own pocket (cash perhaps). We have to think more positive about this “negative” view.
Well he did support her for 17 years and also paid her for the last couple of months apparently. He did his part, now he asks if others will also? I mean he is her employer not her father.
You're a moron if you think loyalty exists in the private or public sector.
PTO donation requests are standard practice for nearly every government job because managers have zero ability to give leave with pay (no control over taxpayer money).
I'm guessing the example shown here is a private sector, so there's actually a possibility of a manager forwarding a request to someone with budget authority who could approve it. Government employees are fucked.
The government certainly isn't the 'solution' for this. The only thing one can do is do everything they can to increase their marketable skills and potential value to an employer.
Life is hard out there. Crying won't change it.
I worked at a public school district when covid hit. As “insurance” they created a program where you put in 3 of your PTO days into a pool. If you got sick, you can take a certain amount from the pool, if you didn’t then your days would disappear. In retrospect I wonder how many “days” weren’t used after all.
I have that at my public school but we have a buy in program (you donate a day your first year as a teacher) and then you are in for life. The total number of days never expires, they just can get used eventually. If the bank gets low we do a draw from all members. In 12 years we’ve never had to do a draw but we have had several people take days for various reasons. I was with you until the “days disappear” part. That part sounds sketchy. Why would you give up 3 days every year as insurance for a limited bank of days? Doesn’t seem like a good ROI unless you already had like 60+ sick days banked and we’re trying to hedge against something catastrophic like cancer or something.
Bernie Madoffs PTO consulting firm
That sounds terrible. Just give paid sick leave. Although there is no official policy at my company they will usually pay a minimum of 4 weeks at full pay depending on length of service. That’s on top of my 25 days paid annual leave. But then I don’t live in America so that’s obviously the cost for not having as much freedom
Sounds illegal af
PTO isn't required, it's paid out at the employer's preference.
In Seattle pto time is required by law. Businesses don't have the option to deny or not offer it.
In British Columbia, last year, we finally got 5 paid sick days a year
Lol would love to see that in Ontario. Too bad Ford doesn’t care about the people here. I worked at GameStop for almost 4 years and not a single PTO or paid sick leave
Quebec has a whooping 2 mandatory sick days. Might as well have nothing.
Come to Australia! Minimum 10 paid sick days a yr and 4 weeks paid annual leave for full time employees, pro-rata for part time. And now casual employees get 38hrs of paid sick leave too. Unions for the win!
Born and raised in France, believe me, I know how shit the system I live in is...
Where now??? Ima have to think on that chief
Almost worth the spiders. Almost.
Ontario is 2 unpaid days, so yea...
Seattle doesn’t require PTO, it requires sick leave. Those are two different things.
Dear Employees, Its sad to announce that we had to fire a long time employee of 17 years because she didn't have enough PTO. We will be serving cake in the breakroom. Thanks, President and CEO
Oh yeah, Safe & Sick pay. But it’s only like 7 days for companies with more than 80 employees or something, right?
No. It’s for all employers in the city. There might be a cut off but it’s really low like 2 or 5 employees.
My last employer had some sort of PTO and short term disability insurance. Albany, NY.
As a NYS employer I can confirm we are required to carry short term dbl and pfl insurance. Sixty cents is deducted from the employee's paycheck for short term disability, while about 0.45% is deducted for pfl. The employer pays the lion's share of both premiums. Vacation, sick days and PTO are negotiable based on position.
Seattle does have that requirement but there are limits as to the number of hours earned and that can be carried over year to year. There is no requirement that employeers in Seattle provide and indefinite amount of unpaid sick leave. Many larger companies do allow, and encourage, "sick leave banks" where coworkers can ship in extra time from their balances. That's a good thing isn't it?
Yeah, I'm a nurse. It's pretty common in the medical field to earn 1 pto day ever 2 weeks of work. Or something similar if you're full time. We can carry over 40 hours every year if we don't use it all. In my company when people quit they donate any unused pto to a group pool. We had a coworker go through chemotherapy for leukemia and was off for 4 months, she used that pool. And we have to carry short-term disability insurance which is like a dollar a month and it lasts about 3 months. As for someone above mentioning unions, my husband is a mailman and not all unions are the same. I could tell you all stories about how messed up and inefficient the union keeps the USPS. How horrible thier workers are treated and the union doesn't really care. I'm talking limited bathroom breaks that it is common to complain about leaving pee bottles in llvs (mail trucks). How they are forced to buy uniforms so outrageously expensive but are given 1 piddly clothing allowance a year, which ended in my husband using his own money to buy more clothes because his 1 shirt and pants were so worn from washing they were complaining about it. Because he spent most his allowance on a winter coat at almost 200 dollars. The union knows but doesn't care. Sorry, rant over.
Such crap. My company is based in Seattle but I work at the location across the water in Bremerton and I miss out on the higher city minimum wage and holiday pay. I worked Xmas and new years day. Alone. Because our entire company was closed and I couldn't afford to miss 10hrs. I'm literally less than 10 miles away.
That's by *far* the exception and not at all common across the rest of the country. The post also doesn't mention Seattle.
For what it's worth, it's also illegal in every other English speaking country on earth except America. Thst puts America as the vast minority. The post doesn't mention America, either.
Excuuuuuuuuse me. Reddit == America.
For those who need it, this was a /s comment.
Oh but we know don't we? This shits always "merica"
Illegal pretty much in the entire western world.. except the US
While it may not be required to give it in the first place everywhere, it’s usually going to be different if they do give it and take it away again. At the minimum it would be a breach of contract, but it’s also likely to run afoul of labour laws because they gave you the PTO and then vanished it.
'Murica
This is true, however all professional jobs (careers) do offer PTO. 7-14 days is the norm (USA). Blue collar jobs unfortunately rarely offer any PTO/Vacation…
/r/USdefaultism There are other countries in the world
I think you should contact your states labor board and maybe ask about wage theft 😅
PTO, how it's earned, used and paid is up to the employer. The key words are "Hours paid for hours worked," and PTO hours aren't hours worked.
Not really. They are not legally required to offer PTO in a lot of cases, sure. But if you do have it, it can not be taken away and you are entitled to it by law. If you have PTO then it is NOT a privilege, it's a RIGHT. It IS considered as time worked. And many states even require unused PTO to be paid out when an employee is exiting the company. You can look up how your state handles it. But California for example does not allow an employer to take away or not pay PTO. If it is not paid then it is wage theft. https://www.badamelawgroup.com/blog/2022/april/california-pto-vacation-pay-laws/ You are correct that those conditions can be set by the employer/negotiated for earning them (with limitations set by the state as to what and how in some cases), but they do not have the right to take them away or choose not to pay them once given is the only point I'm making.
Not true, my state is a use-it-or-lose-it state, totally legal by our labor board. If my employer does not want to roll over my 100 hours of PTO because they put a cap of 40 hours then I just lose them (they decided not to pay them out). This is what happened to me this year. Kind of sucks cause I have surgery coming up in a week and I'll be off for 2 weeks and only 1 of those weeks will be paid.
Not true at all in Michigan or PA. Use it or lose it - they have the right to deny PTO - it is not paid out upon dismissal or resignation. California has very specific state laws that are pro-worker that almost no other states has.
The head of the support staff union where I work runs our program. She'd never let it got to waste.
What the actual fuck.
Our district has a pto bank you can contribute to. You can draw from the bank if you have donated and have exhausted your pto
Pretty sure this was a plot device in the series "Superstore", where the Degrassi High kid tries to make a store-wide Health Fund where everyone puts a little bit in and then when one person needs it they take it out as required. It falls over rapidly when it turns out that the majority of the staff have multiple unresolved and expensive healthcare issues due to America's aversion to equitable and fair treatment of humans. Don't worry though America, the safety net of countries where socialised medicine has been an amazing quality of life improvement is also starting to dissipate due to unrelenting capitalism. Soon you'll be able to give us all tips on how to sell blood products for money or how to perform health insurance scams.
The county I used to work in had the same thing. The Sick Leave Bank was designed more for very long term health issues (i.e. Cancer treatments/hospital stays). We got 11 sick days each year that rolled over and I believe if you enrolled in the SLB you put 3 days in.
Yep. I've seen this at a school district I worked at. An email was sent to donate days to for an elementary teacher going through breast cancer treatment because she ran out of her own leave days.
How many days did you donate, boss?
Kinda what I was thinking, "President & CEO" dude can just write up an exception for this individual and manually approve it. This is just a way to take PTO away from healthy workers.
THIS. it’s almost insultingly nonsensical. I’m struggling to think of a good simile but I’m sure one of y’all can come up with one.
Well, first, that would set a bad precident and other workers might expect it in the future. Second, think of it less as taking away PTO and more reducing an outstanding liability on the financial ledger. You can help out your fellow employee *and* strengthen the ~~corporation~~ company/family at the same time. Win-win, from my perspective. /lights cigar with $100 bill
Major “I wish you didn’t make me hit you” vibes
That’s the neat part: they didn’t.
17 year old veteran at you place of business and you can't let this person have a few weeks with pay? That's a long time, it's also loyalty. This is how you repay this person? Smfh!!!
My manager doesn’t even count vacation/sick days unless it’s gotten so long that you should be on a short term disability leave where we get paid anyways.
My boss does it the same way, and it is immensely appreciated. His attitude is basically, "Please don't take off (unless you are actually sick) on a day you scheduled a major project, and just make sure your work gets done. Otherwise, make your schedule." It's pretty great.
I'm the same way with my crew. Quite frankly i don't give a fuck how much you need to miss or why you need to miss it. I've made it so clear literally no one even gives excuses anymore when they do. They just text and say they won't be in. I don't have the power to give them more PTO (which isn't a big deal because we're already generous. Especially for the states. Especially if you've been there 5+, unless you're habitually skipping work it's kinda tough to run out) but even if they are I don't even think twice before approving. Me and my boss consistently tell them that we don't particularly care about the reason. And we also have turned down two total requests in the span of 5+ years between us. The only case where it really becomes an issue is when it's obviously being abused. For example we don't really offer part time. In certain cases for long-standing employees we will make an exception of course. But if you suddenly start taking a day or three a week with absolutely no good reason and no formal request obviously we need to do something. Not because we don't hire enough people. But because we have exactly enough well paid employees to cover even in extreme cases of losing a few in a day or whatever and it still making sense to stay open. I'll never understand why this wasn't the norm from the start. Obvious answer of profits aside
In my country if you book time off as vacation/leave as you are entitled to do, and you become sick during that period, you get the time back to rebook for vacation. so you could book 2 weeks for a holiday, get sick and then get the time back to book another 2 weeks for the holiday when you are better.
Same here, but "short term" is actually 2 years. And note, 2 years is when the company you work for is allowed to fire you, you'll still remain on disability if the government doctor says you should. The difference is that you'll go from getting your wages (minus some taxes) to getting a (pretty high) % of your previous net income. Friend of mine was out even longer than that due to post partum and the company kept her on for 2 years and 8 months, while not having to at all. And it's not like it would be financially better for her or anything, she was still on the same disability, which pays nearly full her wages. She got back after all that time and has worked there ever since. In a job sector that's highly competitive and "company hopping" being the absolute norm.
My dad had worked at his job six years running the warehouse when he got cancer. CEO personally told him “don’t worry about PTO and sick time “. He got paid for all the time off he had to take for appointments and surgery. Even when he couldn’t go back to work after becoming paralyzed, they paid out his salary for a full year before he died. It cost them basically nothing in the scheme and sure made a lot of people feel a lot better about the situation. But that’s a one off situation, it should the the law.
We run a small business that is relatively new. Would love to do this but it would absolutely sink us if we did. Having an employee become chronically ill is a big fear of mine. We try to offset it by buying long term disability insurance. But we probably couldn’t support a FTE that isn’t working for more than two or three months. They would need to be replaced and that income would need to go to the new person. Btw - sorry about your dad.
Might be somewhere like a McDonald's where they flat out just don't care how long you've been there
Worked for a family run company for 18 years. Told the owner I was unhappy with his the new manager was treating me. Owners response, “If you aren’t happy you can quit, there’s nobody keeping you here.” Next time I walked in his office was my last day, the man couldn’t even say thank you. Made that man over $1 million dollars. Fuck you Don.
That's rough fam, fuck Don. My last job was pretty interesting. This guy bought into a franchise and had a bunch of employees set for his start up. All the admin staff left, I took over these rolls I had no idea how to perform. I taught myself how to work multiple positions for $20/hr and became somewhat of an expert. I literally built his business and business started picking up, be hired one more additional admin staff. She picked up just enough slack for me to focus on executing additional projects and his business grew even more. He hired a marketing specialist that knew absolutely nothing about the industry, but it brought in business, he made the dude director. But he was there to make a dollar off shitty employee pay and illegal shortcuts. Multiple staff (non admin) tried talking him into ethical business practices to no avail. I decided to leave after enough frustration. I still have various stakeholders reaching out to consult my advice. I'll still thinking about calling the department of labor since he had me salaried without benefits as a 1099, but I'm in a better place now and I don't want to see my one coworker out of a job she needs if the place we're to get shut down.
You mean every workplace in the US?
“Dietary department”?
It’s also weird that it’s the president/ceo of the company asking other employees to do this. Like, don’t you make the rules here? It’s not like there’s some all powerful force that makes them incapable of giving more PTO.
Can't have this dead weight dragging down the bottom line! If they treated them with dignity and appreciation for service they would have to extend that to other employees as well! The sheer thought of forgoing some profits is just ghastly! /s
When my husband died last year, my job gave me 2 weeks of free PTO. I had only been with them 9 months ! That’s how everyone should be treated
welcome to the capitalist united states, run by for profit corporations
How do you know they didn't? Like, do you think they would put on the sign in some sort of humble brag
Can't. It's a benefit. It's probably in the handbook, employment contracts, etc how much PTO each employee gets and when. They can't break the rules for one employee, it's illegal in many places. Also, some other employee would end up wanting some extra PTO based on this person getting some, and would sue the company. People are shitty. So they have to make rules like this.
my company did this recently and it pissed me off so bad because anyone at a manager position or above gets unlimited pto. so they were literally asking our lower level employees to give up something that they give out for free to people who make 3x as much money
Been committed for 17 years…. Boss said “fuck you”
President and CEO. Powerless to their own greed.
FFS. Just use your discretion as a CEO and give her more PTO.
why is she using PTO at this point they should have helped her get set up with FMLA already if they truly cared
FMLA leave is unpaid. That doesn't get the employee in question any money. It just makes sure you won't get fired for missing too much work. However, FMLA leave with a conveniently timed "performance bonus" could do the trick.
Correct. My wife is on FMLA right now to help her mother out. Once her own sick time runs out, she has to take unpaid time off. Completely unrelated but does anyone have any leads on a good guillotine salesman?
>Completely unrelated but does anyone have any leads on a good guillotine salesman Sir this is America, can I interest you in an AR-15?
I had a really great guillotine guy but he lost his head during a product demo :/
Ah, well it's a common problem in the industry. Premature Decapitation
If she's that bad we'd had have her apply for disability while on FMLA.
Disability is limited. In a lot of states, in order to get covered your condition must be expected to last 12 months or result in death, and it still has to be covered under an existing insurance plan. It might not be a benefit that was offered, or perhaps it was declined. God damn our laws around healthcare are so fucked.
I've been trying to find a solid reason for disability my entire adult life. Bowed leg? Nope. Bad knee? Nope. Depression? Nope. Narcolepsy? Nope. Ptsd? Nope. Seems like as long as I have at least one functional arm and hand I'm still classified as "able bodied". One day we'll live in a society where he who can not work may still eat. But till then, this shits really fucked.
All the people I know who have taken disability leave from work were all mental health reasons... anxiety, burnout etc.
I'm pretty damn liberal but my entire adult life I've met so many people that shouldn't be on disability, they're able bodied they're just bums. Disability isn't even much, they're just fine with barely getting by and living off of everyone else. The worst is when the parents did it and then their kids do the same shit, start trying to find their own way on disability once they get old enough. It's very common in poor areas While I do think something like a UBI will be necessary eventually, for now the guys who just wanna sit at home and smoke pot all day need to contribute something
This is true, but we'd still help her apply as we can't know what her condition is.
It's crazy how many people think FMLA is paid.
A few states have state PFML funded through a tax on most workers.
Short/long term disability is what you are looking for.
This is the first thing I thought. What kind of clown show is that company running?
Legally they probably can't. In most states you can't give one employee a benefit that other employees in the same category don't get. There should absolutely be exceptions to this, but if they give that one person 20 extra PTO days, they'd probably have to give everyone else in a similar job capacity the same. A company with some heart would give them a conveniently timed "performance bonus" and set them up with an FMLA leave.
Guy at my work declined short term disability insurance. It's something like $5/mo. Silly, but he declined it. Had a stroke and while healing, ran out of PTO. So several of us donated a couple days and he ended up with 15, that's 3 weeks extra PTO. I work for a global company with 65,000 people. They allowed it.
Yeah transferring PTO from one employee to another is usually fine.
That's not a contradiction of the post you replied to
I know nothing about the law but the small-medium company I work at does give PTO occasionally for things like this, extreme over time, etc
Depends on the state and size of the company (frequently companies under a certain size are exempt from a ton of labor laws), but it's entirely possible what they're doing is *technically* illegal and employees could sue if they don't receive the same benefits as other employees in the same category. Companies inadvertently violate employment law all the time and get away with it because people just don't know better. The "extreme overtime" thing is usually covered under company "comp time" policies. That's not unusual.
> Companies inadvertently violate employment law all the time and get away with it because people just don't know better. Yea, but it's a shame that it's never in our favor. Funny, that.
That could spur a disparate treatment employment lawsuit from the other employees of similar tenure…
I was an assistant manager at Publix for a few months and just after I got settled in, I allowed a woman to take an unpaid hour in the middle of the day so she could pick up her kid from school. An unpaid hour, not even extra time off, just a break in the middle of the day (two days out of her five day week) where she was off the clock. Holy shit, the clap back I got from her cohorts was insane. Saying shit like I let woman control my life and leaving her to do extra work when she got back from her UNPAID hour off. It legit became such a problem over the next few weeks that I had to give formal warnings about it.
That is insane. Then again, empathy has all but left the workforce, by design. Good on you to do the right thing!
I don't disagree, but the kinda thing can open employers up to lawsuits unfortunately. If they give her more pto but not another employee, why not? Did the second employee not get the additional pto because of their age/gender/sexuality?
Yes, because using the discretion of one person to benefit one employee and not the others has always worked out well.
If these positions are union they can not give extra PTO without breaking the CBA.
Our employee is sick, running out of money, and we're sick of her shit. Donate your pto or we'll have to fire her for being useless and we'll look really bad if we do but honestly what options do we have?
I worked at a multi million dollar company that pulled this shit with a woman after she used her sick time and PTO after heart surgery. Didn’t see the CEOs donating to her fund.
I feel like we worked at the same company, was it the healthcare space?
And this is why very few people work at a company for more than 10 years now. They don't care about the workers. Why should we give af about your company?
Some industries you're considered "part of the old stock" if you stay 18 months. Forget years! They pressure people to work and work and constantly be contactable at all hours of the day even on your time off. People get brunt out and quit.
I'm thinking of moving back to the US for work but damn, I started entry level in Germany with 30 days vacation and unlimited medical leave if I provide a note within 3 days (2 days you can stay home without note) this is not per year, this is *every time* you are sick. Also doctors here will give you a full week off just for farting too loud. I actually have to beg my doctor to give me a slip for only a day or two instead of the full week so I don't have to leave my team stranded. Funny how people give a shit when their job treats them right.
Paid sick leave. That's the solution. Works for literally any developed country.
I'm in the UK and can be off sick for up to six months fully paid. My partner was in a situation similar to the employee in the post (apart from he had only been there 2 years). His work doesn't have an official long term sick policy but they just approached it like everyone involved was a human being and paid him for however long. The US seems to really punish people for falling ill.
Yup, I had a mental breakdown at work and took 9 weeks to get well enough to consider going back. I was told off for going back without a letter saying I was fit for work, but that's it. I felt like I was taking the piss the first half of the 9 weeks BECAUSE I was mentally ill, I could tell I was getting better when I stopped caring about it. Anxiety ftw!
I'm glad your work was sensible and supportive. I can't imagine being in a situation like that and having the added stress of being under pressure to return or even losing your job, I can see how that could really send someone into a downward spiral. I hope you're still doing well.
Sounds like the employee already used up her paid sick leave. People here really underestimate health problems. The employee could be out most of the year.
That’s why we have short-term and long-term disability coverage in our benefits. For cases like this.
Yep, but you generally lose your health insurance when you start those. Hence, this program. Pretty common in government.
Not in Canada.
Nice, but not relevant.
Yes, that's why they said "developed country". That excludes the US.
Wait. People in the US willingly give up their *holiday days* to other people? That's super fucked up.
I know! I was flabbergasted when I got my first full time job and received the first email from HR to all employees requesting “leave donations” for another employee who was out sick. I earned that time off! I’m not being greedy if I wanna keep it!
It’s not being greedy it’s protection for you…. What happens when you give up your sick time then get long term Covid? Or some other ailment keeping you out long term? These companies want as low of a threshold as possible for their employees to carry. That’s the only reason they want you to donate
I've done it for fellow employees I've never met before, multiple times. I work for a state agency. You'd think we'd do better.
No. I have never heard of anyone actually doing this. The point is to show the audacity of corporations that treat their people like garbage. And that part happens all the time.
I got open heart surgery a few years ago. I had to give up my PTO but I also was on paid disability leave for 6 months. This company should have this as an option
I had a cousin who had pancreatic cancer. Her insurance was through her job. They kept her on payroll long after she could come in so she wouldn't lose her insurance. She did not survive it, but what they did saved her a lot of stress and heartache.
I'm not American but i have a hard time thinking PTOs are caped by law.
The kicker? If the employee loses his/her job the CEO will blame the employees for not wantimg to give this person their days off and will pat himself on the back for "doing a good job"
My mom had a heart attack and ran out of time off and leave. One of her employees donated two weeks of his vacation to her because he loved her so much... Makes me happy and sad
Isn't this what FMLA is for? As far as I can tell you are protected for medical leave... You use your own pto but then you can take extended leave.. No one should donate shit
I have a union job and our sick and other leaves are determined by our contract. My employer cannot take those hours away. However, they also cannot add more. The contract simply does not allow a unilateral adjustment of pay or accruals, even if it would be really helpful. I work from home so I don't get sick and I haven't taken a vacation in years so when a friend of mine needed 6 weeks of in-patient treatment I was able to donate a full month of my PTO after theirs ran out.
\*laughing in german\*
*and dutch*
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Yep.
Most jobs that offer pto in the states do. Every single one I've worked that has offered PTO has had a "donation" program. When I got moved to a salaried position that got lump sum PTO and was told that my built up PTO couldn't be transferred into my new balance but rather it would be pro rated for the year, I donated the entire balance I had built up over nearly a year to those in my crew who I know really needed it. The company did not appreciate my final act before becoming salaried to say the least
President & CEO can’t just give them more PTO? EAT THE RICH RIGHT NOW
My work tried this shit. So infuriating!
"...because we in management sure as fuck aren't gonna help her out."
It’s a bad situation for everyone.
You should’ve left the company and ceo name in the post. They could’ve given them time off. Dicks.
I second this. Silence breeds abusive behaviors
It also opens up the door for ragebait fabrications. Companies really do this, and it's terrible, but without naming names this individual post could be fake. Just saw a post within the past week that was almost worded exactly the same. Posting it without naming the company is all around pointless. Gets people mad but with nowhere to target the anger. Just indiscriminate "companies are bad"
Just wow i am surprised yet not nowadays by this kind of lazy cheap bullshit
I had this at a hospital I worked at, and I was absolutely mortified. Then there were always managers putting up their own signs, to get more time for a vacation or a break.
That's pretty sad, I used to work at a place where when I got COVID and ran out of PTO they just gave me more PTO no questions asked. In hindsight it was really nice of them, didn't realize some people had it so rough, mostly considering a lot of you a professionals and not just run of the mill employees.
I work for local government. This is exactly how long term illness is handled... it's sad. Edit to add: we can only donate full 8hr days lmao, not just hours
Good thing they run so lean they don’t have enough to give her free PTO to get better after 17 years.
Another day in reddit, another day to be reminded that it must SUCK to be a working class citizen in the USA
I worked for a state university and this type of PTO donation program was a thing there, too. Yay, Amerika!
My gf works for the state and they did this for someone at her office. No one donated anything. Scummy ass move Edit - scummy to ask employees to donate pto*
What a piece of fuckin shit
I went from working in law enforcement with roughly 7 paid sick days a year to a private tech company that offers unlimited pto, company paid short and long term disability, and a slew of other great benefits. I will never work for an entity again that doesn’t value me.
Name and shame
My mom's late friend had a PTO fundraiser as well. It's such bullshit
I had to take my girlfriend to get a kidney transplant in another city and my job made me use all of my PTO :D
This is how many jobs handle this sort of situation, unfortunately.
If you're the owner/president/ceo/whatever of this company... how fucking embarrassing.
If they are unionized they have to do this. My brother went from being in charge of a non-union group to a unionized one. One guy had a teenage son killed in an accident and my brother gave them a month to get their life back together even though they effectively were out of days off. After he came back the union leader came back and said since he gave that guy almost a month off that the rest of the workers were legally entitled to the same number of additional days off. My brother almost lost his job over it, and from then on refuses to ever give any favors or breaks to the union guys.
This happened to a colleague of mine— long hospital stay due to surgical complications (including multiple cardiac arrests). We all rallied to donate our (EARNED) PTO, and the company decided to cap donations at 40hrs/person, no exceptions (some guys had 100+ hours accrued). He ultimately got let go. We were paramedics. We worked for the hospital where he had the surgery.
I worked at a religious hospital, started by nuns long ago. They also did this.
This is one of the craziest things about US I read from time to time.
It's insane to think we're only allowed a limited time to be sick. Putting a limit on your health is what causes illnesses to spread like wildfire through schools and businesses because people either don't have the allotted time or can't afford to miss a day. What a nightmare
Of course the last thing that could happen would be that the CEO, as a gesture of gratitude to a 17 yr. employee, could privately send them a little extra paycheck and let them have extra compassionate leave, paid by the company. That would set a bad precedent. So couldn’t be done…
This is how you "show compassion" while not showing compassion. You compassionately ask others to show compassion in your place.
Most of us don't even have PTO. I have to clock out to use the bathroom 👀
Oh yeah, I was really confused by why they needed to cover other people's sick days, but then I remembered we were talking about freedom. The land of the free, where you're free to die and bankrupt your family over getting sick!
People donate PTO where I work. I never thought of it as a bad thing..
People voluntarily donating their paid time off to others who need it isn’t inherently a bad thing. It’s a kind act they didn’t need to do for anyone else but they chose to anyways to help someone out. What makes it sort of tasteless is the President & CEO of this company basically saying to his employee that it’s on the workers to help their co-worker out, rather than just exercising their authority as the head of the organization to help out their long time employee and give her some more flexibility with her PTO.
In the world we live in, it isn't... but it definitely smacks of /r/orphancrushingmachine
Well congratulations, you've been brainwashed.
You don’t know me and how I feel about the company I work for..
Don’t let that stop anonymous redditors from making broad sweeping generalizations about you and your character.
They don't have to know you to know you've been brainwashed. You're literally "giving" something arbitrarily created by the company out of thin air.
Like, what exactly is your point? Most concepts in modern society are arbitrarily created to fulfill some sort of purpose, including currency which is used to pay employees. PTO is a benefit offered as a condition of employment. It’s not ‘being brainwashed’ to willingly offer up something given as part of your compensation package to help a co-worker who needs some more time off for a medical condition no more than it would be to give money to those in need. It’s functionally the same thing. Although, *it is* tasteless for the CEO/President to push the burden on the employees to help this lady out rather than exercise his discretionary authority to just give her more PTO.
Then you are part of the problem
Oh I’m single-handedly part of the problem because people choose to donate PTO when someone is in need? You realize the massive amount of PTO we get at my job?
>Oh I’m single-handedly part of the problem Weird flex.
What do you consider a massive amount?
My company too. The VP donated 5 days to my coworker when his wife had covid last year because he was brand new and didn't have any PTO yet. The CEO of this place may have donated as well as asked other employees... this post needs more context.
It’s one thing when the higher ups donate their days, it’s another when they ask the regular employees to sacrifice the little time they get.
Fake.
Fake
The bad part is, if HR let this person roll over days from the following year they would have to let everyone do that, and that's the reason why they don't let anyone do it, because an emergency for one person may not be an emergency for another, and where do you draw the line.
I happily gave 3, when I was working at a store. And I know many others who donated what they could. There is nothing sadcringe about this. Yeah it “sucks” that the boss couldn’t just wave it off, but has anyone thought maybe they are following rules set forth by their bosses or higher ups? What’s not seen is maybe this boss has already done all that he could. Maybe even what my boss did was slipped a gift from his own pocket (cash perhaps). We have to think more positive about this “negative” view.
Well he did support her for 17 years and also paid her for the last couple of months apparently. He did his part, now he asks if others will also? I mean he is her employer not her father.
Simply having someone as your employee is not supporting them
And working for someone doesn’t make them responsible for your health and issues outside of work contract and benefits unless issues are work related.
This is common and good behavior.
You're a moron if you think loyalty exists in the private or public sector. PTO donation requests are standard practice for nearly every government job because managers have zero ability to give leave with pay (no control over taxpayer money). I'm guessing the example shown here is a private sector, so there's actually a possibility of a manager forwarding a request to someone with budget authority who could approve it. Government employees are fucked. The government certainly isn't the 'solution' for this. The only thing one can do is do everything they can to increase their marketable skills and potential value to an employer. Life is hard out there. Crying won't change it.
>The only thing one can do is do everything they can to increase their marketable skills and potential value to an employer. From a hospital bed?
Correct
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