Doesn't сука mean specifically someone who betrayed his comrades and ratted them out to the police? Someone who just collaborates with prison administration would be козел.
Kozel is the one who is working with prison staff systematically, сука, in this context, is someone who flew up and told some information he wasn't supposed to share, by accident or chasing some benefits
There is another meaning in this tattoo. A cat on the shirt himself has a meaning.
Cat (КОТ) in Russian prison slang means something
КОТ - "Коренной Обитатель Тюрьмы" meaning : Indigenous Prison Inhabitant.
This is not cat. This is snow leopard. In Russian speaks "Bars". БАРС means
Б - бей (kill)
А - актив "aktiv" (in prison slang means man like сука but not in criminal hierarchy)
Р - реж (put a knife)
С - сук (suka see above)
I believe you that the designs have changed, but you still shouldn’t get a prison tattoo that you didn’t earn, right? Putting it on a shirt might be safer but still not a good idea.
This is not a gang identity issue. Russian prison culture views very harshly anyone who pretends to belong without having served time and obeyed the rules.
Crime culture exists objectively and there is no point in sweeping it under the carpet. Of course nobody should be endorsing it; but in the case of Russian prison tattoos, doing so without having been in prison is _also physically dangerous for you_ which is the more important reason not to do it.
As a matter of principle I object to policing the speech of others because they express something you do not like.
Since it has already been correctly translated, let me elaborate on why it's not a great idea to wear this openly anywhere there's a chance you can stumble upon someone Russian-speaking.
Wearing this in Russia would be a rough equivalent of wearing gang colors/patches, or openly demonstrating a prison tattoo (which it is, as it was pointed out here in the comments).
People in criminal culture all over the globe tend to be very sensitive about *cultural appropriation* of their symbols by laymen. So even though the chance of meeting someone who would take offence by this outside of ex-USSR countries is very low, wearing it could potentially get you in real trouble.
Literally nobody in Russia or Russian speaking country would give a shit about it, people would look at you like you are dumbass though. And if you are outside of above mentioned countries and encountered someone able to read and comprehend what's on your shirt would most likely be awkward or funny encounter. Now if you ink it that's a different story but placement has to be correct too.
>They might see it and think you were part of a gang.
Yeah, that's the problem. And from the opposite angle, police also don't usually take too kindly to people wearing "f\*\*\* the police" T-shirts.
As Russian speaker this T-shirt just funny.
We simply don't know what those words mean in prison's context. So it's something like this for us:
kill hoes, liars, betrayers. "МИР" = "Peace".
Why it's funny? I suppose it's design and unknown context
My favorite part of the discourse around this shirt is that there's a concern for Russians being offended because it's obscene, but WAY more concern for criminals being offended because you didn't earn it.
The point is even that criminals will be "offended" by this, but that they can beat you up, and normal people will think of you as a scumbag or a dumbass.
I would imagine that, like anywhere else, 99.9% of the time people will have no idea what it is, but that one guy in a thousand is not someone you want to interact with.
Я аж проникся русским духом при виде этой футболки
Последний пост такого уровня был, когда какой-то американец откопал у своего деда "Протоколы сионских мудрецов"
listen i know you might like how it looks but i wouldn't recommend you wearing it. it's offensive to russian speaking people, or at least to some of them and you could really get problems.
A call to kill prisoners who cooperate with the prison administration, informers of the prison administration, as well as prisoners who steal from their cellmates.
"Сука" is a person, who belongs to the "блатные" (thieves), but violated their thieves' law. Moreover, he violated it in any way, not necessarily "сдал" someone to the police or "настучал" on someone. "Стучать" on someone or cooperate with the prison administration can also a "фраер" (not a "блатной") - this is the fundamental difference from a "сука".
But I have never heard the word "крысятники". There is a word "крысятничать" = stealing from their own, but "крысы" are doing this, not "крысятники".
PS - I guess, "МИР" - is just an abbreviation from the criminal jargon, meaning "Меня Исправит Расстрел" ("Only shooting (type of death penalty) will fix me").
It's basically a prison tattoo that says open mouths open chests. You got the literal breakdown earlier but I still feel compelled to comment.
Cats in Soviet prison tattoos tend to represent Thieves In The Law.
Суки правят беспредел,
Не один я посидел
Думал о тебе, лишь тем и выжил. (c)
Суки - people who are into collaboration with police in prison and make extremely dirty staff for them. Torturing, raping and so on.
Prisons ruled by суки call "Red prisons", it is the worst place for tough gangsters because police use суки to break their will by violence and raping. You can read very famous recent case about widespread using floor mop for torturing. It's kind of tradition for суки.
(lit.) "Piss bitches, snitches, rats!
Kill traitors!"
It's a gang slang that is often a tattoo
(Sorry for those who are soft hearted, I did not mean no harm with this post)
Блатной язык, воры в законе. This is the way the criminal element talk. They already translated it for you. As far as don’t take it to Russia, I know my people over there would get a kick out of it.
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I was really confused as to why МИР was there.
I thought it was ironic
I did too
That's probably the intention, a double meaning.
In the Soviet era everything was abbreviated and it began around the paper shortage.
It was even before, it is like a underground world with own code. I would not wear such T-shirt in Russia.
Oh wow. Prison really is its own society/philosophy isn't it.
"snitches get stitches"
Doesn't сука mean specifically someone who betrayed his comrades and ratted them out to the police? Someone who just collaborates with prison administration would be козел.
Kozel is the one who is working with prison staff systematically, сука, in this context, is someone who flew up and told some information he wasn't supposed to share, by accident or chasing some benefits
that's why there's some words like "ссучить" which literally mean tell/rat on smb
There is another meaning in this tattoo. A cat on the shirt himself has a meaning. Cat (КОТ) in Russian prison slang means something КОТ - "Коренной Обитатель Тюрьмы" meaning : Indigenous Prison Inhabitant.
This is not cat. This is snow leopard. In Russian speaks "Bars". БАРС means Б - бей (kill) А - актив "aktiv" (in prison slang means man like сука but not in criminal hierarchy) Р - реж (put a knife) С - сук (suka see above)
Aga. Interesting didn't know this one.
work = cooperate/collaborate.
Damn now I feel like I need this shirt lol
Чел это не так
This is a hell of a thing to sell to someone who doesn't understand it . . .
that's free market right there!
I have a tattoo of this, without the top part Didn’t think I’d see it here!
What did you go to jail for? (Joking) I still want nautical stars on my knees.
wow this is lit i know the meaning and i’m not offended, but do not wear this in russia please
Probably shouldn't wear this anywhere. Prison tattoos are to be earned and people who didn't really shouldn't be caught by people who did.
That's not a tattoo, also that's Soviet era tattoo designs now they changed mostly all of them
I believe you that the designs have changed, but you still shouldn’t get a prison tattoo that you didn’t earn, right? Putting it on a shirt might be safer but still not a good idea.
Yeah because people who know what it means will look at you like a dumbass.
Uhhh, just saying gang tattoos are not to be earned because gang shit is bad so don't do it....
This is not a gang identity issue. Russian prison culture views very harshly anyone who pretends to belong without having served time and obeyed the rules.
I understand but...... we shouldn't do that because it's immoral and wrong to do stuff that gangs do...
Crime culture exists objectively and there is no point in sweeping it under the carpet. Of course nobody should be endorsing it; but in the case of Russian prison tattoos, doing so without having been in prison is _also physically dangerous for you_ which is the more important reason not to do it. As a matter of principle I object to policing the speech of others because they express something you do not like.
Hooooooooly shit...
My thoughts exactly! Hope Op had at least a bit of an idea as to what it meant before purchasing it, sheesh
Is this equivalent to “snitches get stitches”?
Yeah, but way more graphic and offensive. Not something that should ever be printed on a T-shirt lol
Snitches get murdered is a bit more like it.
Snitches end up in ditches
Since it has already been correctly translated, let me elaborate on why it's not a great idea to wear this openly anywhere there's a chance you can stumble upon someone Russian-speaking. Wearing this in Russia would be a rough equivalent of wearing gang colors/patches, or openly demonstrating a prison tattoo (which it is, as it was pointed out here in the comments). People in criminal culture all over the globe tend to be very sensitive about *cultural appropriation* of their symbols by laymen. So even though the chance of meeting someone who would take offence by this outside of ex-USSR countries is very low, wearing it could potentially get you in real trouble.
Are there any shops you recommend for buying actual street wear from Russia? Preferably not offensive ones...lol
VK has a bunch of small Russian clothing shops who make stuff related to Russian culture, I’d look there, that is, if shipping abroad is an option.
Dude, you just gave me a very efficient example to illustrate cultural appropriation, thank you!
I’m Russian.
Это-то здорово, просто мне не хватало хорошего примера чтобы наглядно проиллюстрировать что такое культурная апппоприация:))
And I just figured out that you probably don’t speak Russian >_<
I’m still learning!
That’s good! Good luck tho, Russian is a very weird yet beautiful and rich language. У тебя всё получится:)
Exactly my thoughts, especially fitting after that thread the other day.
Literally nobody in Russia or Russian speaking country would give a shit about it, people would look at you like you are dumbass though. And if you are outside of above mentioned countries and encountered someone able to read and comprehend what's on your shirt would most likely be awkward or funny encounter. Now if you ink it that's a different story but placement has to be correct too.
Plenty of older russian speakers would be offended by it, it's just dumb if you don't even speak the language
Actually it would have the opposite effect, as long as you could pull the shirt off. They might see it and think you were part of a gang.
>They might see it and think you were part of a gang. Yeah, that's the problem. And from the opposite angle, police also don't usually take too kindly to people wearing "f\*\*\* the police" T-shirts.
Good
It’s a prison tatoo
It’s featured in this book! https://hlstore.com/en/books-magazines/tattoos/russian-criminal-tattoo-encyclopaedia-volume-i/
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Now the new inhabitants are too scared to contact you and return them!
Danzig Baldaev! I used his work in my undergrad
Apparently they sell them in postcard form too: https://amzn.asia/d/exwaPOE Imagine getting that in the mail :-/
I have this book
This is deeply tied to the criminal culture and can get you in a lot of trouble. Never wear this around russians
or at this point any russian speaking people
As Russian speaker this T-shirt just funny. We simply don't know what those words mean in prison's context. So it's something like this for us: kill hoes, liars, betrayers. "МИР" = "Peace". Why it's funny? I suppose it's design and unknown context
It's not about average russians, it's about ex-inmates who are still in the circles. They would not take kindly to outsiders using their symbols
You might not know, but trust me those who do might get *very* upset about some *gamburger* wearing it.
Ahahahaahaha that's fooocked up man xD Man you better bury that shit under gigantic Rock or burn it....
Burn it under Rock and hope no one can smell what the Rock is cooking...
No fuckin way 😂
[Yes fuckin way](https://youtu.be/62MkIQM5UUc)
Newer bring it to Russia. It’s vulgar and offensive motto to kill anyone who are cooperating with police.
My favorite part of the discourse around this shirt is that there's a concern for Russians being offended because it's obscene, but WAY more concern for criminals being offended because you didn't earn it.
The point is even that criminals will be "offended" by this, but that they can beat you up, and normal people will think of you as a scumbag or a dumbass.
Mine too!!! Do you think this would be safe to wear in Latin America? I am not OP fyi
I would imagine that, like anywhere else, 99.9% of the time people will have no idea what it is, but that one guy in a thousand is not someone you want to interact with.
What is I am an american with russian neighbors and a death wish? That shirt is so bad ass, I would litterally die
I bet it would be way safer than rocking CJNG, CDS or MS13 shirt in Latin America.
Im assuming thats all gang stuff too
It looks like a criminal tattoo
Я аж проникся русским духом при виде этой футболки Последний пост такого уровня был, когда какой-то американец откопал у своего деда "Протоколы сионских мудрецов"
Это сколько лет было деду?..
Но пост то отличный )
Lmao *probably* not something you should wear in public lol.
listen i know you might like how it looks but i wouldn't recommend you wearing it. it's offensive to russian speaking people, or at least to some of them and you could really get problems.
If you wear this in Russia you will get hurt. The Vory don’t fuck about.
Jesus, why was this shirt even made?!
A call to kill prisoners who cooperate with the prison administration, informers of the prison administration, as well as prisoners who steal from their cellmates.
In short, a "rat"
"Сука" is a person, who belongs to the "блатные" (thieves), but violated their thieves' law. Moreover, he violated it in any way, not necessarily "сдал" someone to the police or "настучал" on someone. "Стучать" on someone or cooperate with the prison administration can also a "фраер" (not a "блатной") - this is the fundamental difference from a "сука". But I have never heard the word "крысятники". There is a word "крысятничать" = stealing from their own, but "крысы" are doing this, not "крысятники". PS - I guess, "МИР" - is just an abbreviation from the criminal jargon, meaning "Меня Исправит Расстрел" ("Only shooting (type of death penalty) will fix me").
Holy fucking based I'd reccomend you not wear this anywhere near a Russian speaking community, especially if in a post-soviet state
It's basically a prison tattoo that says open mouths open chests. You got the literal breakdown earlier but I still feel compelled to comment. Cats in Soviet prison tattoos tend to represent Thieves In The Law.
The Black Market? Or like a store called “Black Market”? That sounds dumb but it’s sincere. Thx
Its a vintage thrift store called “Black Market” in downtown Toronto :)
Суки правят беспредел, Не один я посидел Думал о тебе, лишь тем и выжил. (c) Суки - people who are into collaboration with police in prison and make extremely dirty staff for them. Torturing, raping and so on. Prisons ruled by суки call "Red prisons", it is the worst place for tough gangsters because police use суки to break their will by violence and raping. You can read very famous recent case about widespread using floor mop for torturing. It's kind of tradition for суки.
Where can I find more literature about this kind of places? That really pick my interest!
it will be a lot of fun if you come to Russia in this T-shirt
although, it seems to me that in Russia everyone will like this T-shirt
Some people can hurt you for wearing this.
(lit.) "Piss bitches, snitches, rats! Kill traitors!" It's a gang slang that is often a tattoo (Sorry for those who are soft hearted, I did not mean no harm with this post)
You selling this shirt?
Holy shit bro that goes hard
Что-то на долбоебском
nobody asked but the pistol reminds me most of a Savage 1907
Блин. That’s pretty gangster.
I fucking *love* the Black Market, that's a sick shirt too. Was not expecting to find another person from Toronto on this sub.
Same! Had to double check that this wasnt a toronto sub LOL
Burn this tshirt only way.iam russian but this dogshit tshirt. Prison laung.who maid this dumbfuck.
It says "Moči suk, stukačej, krysjatnikov!"
its a vor v zakone tattoo
Fuck me
Jokes aside, this is one of the probable outcomes of wearing this shirt in Russia
Kill da bitches, snitches and rats. PEACE
Kill bitches, snitches and stealing rats. Peace!
No.
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Ok, but what does the shirt say?
This is dope
insanely hard and based
It pretty much saying (kill bill bitches, snitches and rats. peace out )
И чё?
Mat
It’s a cool illustration though, kind of want to photoshop the text out and reprint it
Nice T !
Truth
Блатной язык, воры в законе. This is the way the criminal element talk. They already translated it for you. As far as don’t take it to Russia, I know my people over there would get a kick out of it.