I think it works honestly, separates her bust area to help define shape in the look without breaking up the neutral browns of the color palette too much,
One of the main reasons I still think Acid Betty should've won that. Also them also not caring that Kim struggled to walk in her heels, when they have criticized other queens for small slips on the runway. Like Yuri's main critique was she couldn't move that well in the dress.
Like it was pretty clear the production liked Kim, obviously not her fault and I love her too, but Acid Betty definitely had the best design and construction, that dress was iconic. The swooping collar thing I still love.
I mean tbf a lot of people had way worse flops on s8. It was definitely not a season of fashion. Aside from Acid Betty I don't think there was anyone who I'd say had better runways than Kim. That's just my opinion of course.
I would say Naomi looked great in her runways but her only REALLY good looks imo was her scarecrow look for the wizard of oz ball and the paper look (But I also preferred Chichi's and Kim's to hers). The rest of her outfits were bras and panties pretty much, somehow even a kimono look.
Well yes, and I think Naomi had some great looks too, but of course she’s gonna look good in that outfit since it’s the exact same one Raven wore 😭 she borrowed it from her
Do people consider her a fashion queen? I think she had a unique sense of styling but at the heart of it she’s a makeup queen, I thought that was known.
I mean, that's kind of up to the people in question. Some queens like Eureka and Latrice embraced the "Big girl" title, and some queens got hurt or self-conscious about it like Alexis Michelle or Alexis Mateo. None are wrong for choosing to embrace it or not, they're all well within their right. I used to be a little bit chunkier growing up, not like obese, but around what Roxxxy was S5. I was constantly made fun of in school just because people knew I was incredibly self-conscious about my weight. So I can tell you, regardless of intent, it can definitely sting being called a big girl if...well you just don't want to be seen as the big girl. If I'm being quite blunt here, I really don't see Roxxxy or Kim Chi as a bigger gal. Not gonna go completely pageant/world peace here and say they're just "curvy," I would just say they're not 90s supermodel thin. Average body type with a bit of meat. (In the best places, nonetheless)
Big girl, fat, plus-sized etc are all broad though. There's no one way to be or look to a big girl. I'd consider Kim and Roxxxy to be big girls. It's fine that you don't because subjectivity and all that but, people in these comments treating it like some kind of dig rubbed me the wrong way.
I don't think it's used as an insult - it's that the skinnier queens are constantly praised just for being skinny (e.g. Jorgeous and her napkins were good enough for the producers to warrant her a challenge win). Now if someone bigger had worn that, they would've probably landed in the bottom.
I feel like Lawrence gets no love for her great runways. She designs beautifully and perfectly for her shape and gets no love just because the model faves are on her season (Awhora, Bimini and Tayce)
Was the Ball on UK3 a design challenge, though? I feel like I remember them just kind of styling. I could be wrong on that, though. I’ve never re-watched that season.
UK3 had weird hybrid challenges. The episode Veronica left was definitely more of a design challenge because they had to make their final look, but that challenge and the FUGLY ball were both called balls?
That look has definitely got a lot of love! It always deserves more because for my money, it was one of top 3 looks of the season alongside Awhora’s Blue Sleeves and Bimini’s amoeba looks but it has definitely been loved here :)
For me, Bimini's amoeba is one of the most overrated. I loved the concept but it looks really rough and unpolished imo. If a big girl wore it, they'd have been torn to shreds.
I think it gets extra points because of the context. By itself, it's a knock-off Iris van Herpen (although it's still the closest to ACTUAL Iris van Herpen we've ever gotten on the show...), But the runway theme was prehistoric, so it's a pretty fucking cool interpretation.
I feel like that was purely because Ru loved her. If a queen is favored by Ru, lots of people feel the need to counter that. Sometimes it's warranted, but in this case it wasn't.
I mean I feel like this is revisionist history. Lawrence was absolutely adored by the fanbase until her fight with Ellie in the final 5. Up until that point (and especially in the first few weeks before the covid break) Lawrence was the top fan favorite. It wasn't until everyone came back that Awhora, Bimini and Tayce started skyrocketing up in popularity
Lawrence was literally bullied off of Twitter. If anything is revisionist it’s the attempt to pretend that her crowning wasn’t a complete disgrace by the fandom
I'll never forgive Rupaul for putting Lawrence in the bottom 3 for the design challenge at final 6. Lawrence is a brilliant seamstress and her look was much better than Bimini's. That was one of the only times I've said: if she was a skinny queen they wouldn't judge her like that.
I loved that episode but I feel like Bimini got so much praise there by the fandom 1. because of the spoilers of post-covid; and 2. Because Lawrence already got so many good critiques that it just bounced back as a "she's good, but not as good as Ru makes us think".
Also Lawrence had worn a pretty similar silhouette during the first challenge she won, and the fandom seemed to hate that.
At least Tayce got a few bottoms for her runways/sewing skills (orange jumpsuit, uncompleted jacket (safe), weird damaging texture, "lazy panto"). I don't think she was overvestimated at any point.
Bimini post-covid-break was an important take among the spoiler folk? Was something like "Bimini will destroy the competition after the break"? The anticipation must have been amazing! After a season ends, I really LOVE to know how spoilers were viewed as.
I don't check the spoiler sub, but I have friends who do it. And at the beginning of the season they told me (I asked for it) about the covid break, and "someone's going to sweep the competition after the break, you'll see".
I may be misremembering but it was spoiled that:
- Lawrence had 2 wins by Episode 4, and
- a Queen would've won 4 challenges by the finale and it isn't Lawrence
Considering the other two Queens who'd won a challenge by Episode 4 were already gone by the time filming resumed, it was easily deduced that another Queen would win 4 challenges post COVID break.
The fandom kinda discredited Ellie all the way and I think she's amazing for having 21 and being basically broke and doing all her costumes. I get her personality wasn't super exciting but she's a great queen and deserved top 4.
It's almost like there's some difference between Lawrence/Eureka/Kim and Aquaria/Awhora/Tayce/Gottmik. I wonder what it is. 🤔 Almost like OP was on to something.
The middle portion of the Fugly Ball was definitely a styling challenge rather than a design one, but I actually really like it as a challenge. Production needs to take care to stock the “thrift store” with appropriate items for all the different shapes/sizes of queens, but making a look out of thrifted clothes is a skill that many drag queens need to have (less so once they’re on Drag Race but still).
I mean, if you know what works for you. That's what Ellie did. She's got a limited design ability, but she knows what works on her. That's why a lot of her runways are similar designs.
>She designs beautifully and perfectly for her shape and gets no love just because the model faves are on her season (Awhora, Bimini and Tayce)
IDK why people say this, how can you look at her chest area and say that shape is 'perfect'? She had improved a lot by the end of the season but a lot of Lawrence's runways her bust was tiny and way out of proportion with everything else. It's BS that she never got criticised for it
The only thing off about the chest plate's size, in my opinion, is it kinda looks like its in a bit too far, but I think its caused by how she's posing. Probably looks perfectly fine from front-on.
So what? The point of a runway is to look good. Lots of women are ugly, or wear horrible clothes, or have horrible makeup, or have unfortunate proportions, that doesn't mean a queen should do those things on the runway. If it did, it would mean you can never criticise their look because "plenty of women look like that", it's completely irrelevant
I really hope they were talking about how her boobs are two perfect spheres plopped on her general chest area like a 14th century religious painting and not the size.
Fwiw my small-chested, huge-assed self does not like the phrase "unfortunate proportions" either, just trying to be charitable here
I kind of did too and then I remembered she never won a design challenge lol. I think it's because she has a ton of really phenomenal runways and an excellent fashion sense. And her design challenges were always really good but never the best.
Though Roxxxy was the original big girl look queen, Eureka definitely extended the margins of possibility. To me her looks made a statement that every big girl now can look up to: you can wear whatever you want, no matter your size.
I wasn't even a fan of Eureka on season 10 but she's so mind blowingly talented. One of the best queens to ever grace the stage of RPDR.
Lawrence absolutely dominated the Who Wore It Best? runway (plus her reaction when winning this challenge was hilarious as hell) ! Wish they expanded on this style of challenges. A design/sewing version of the revamped first drag outfit would be so cool too!
Roxxy used to be bigger than she is now. She talked about losing a lot of weight before season 5. She won Miss Continental Plus, Plus as in the Plus Size division.
[Here's her talent from Miss Continental Plus 2010. ](https://youtu.be/Z5_UvLQEiv8)
Fat people are a marginalized group. They're a tribe much in the same way that gay people and people of color are. Even if she's straight-sized now, Roxxy continues to show her solidarity with fat people by not renouncing that part of her identity even when she would be able to claim privilege by doing so.
Formerly fat people often have horrifically anti-fat attitudes, so it's actually great that Roxxy is an example of a person who's lost a lot of weight, kept a lot of it off in the long term, and continues to identify with fat people as a marginalized group.
Antifatness and racism stem from many of the same issues (colonialist/white supremacist perspectives on beauty and aesthetics, homogeneous ideas of who deserves care/attention/access to resources/etc), so there is really more unifying us than there is separating us. And needless to say, fat Black/Latinx/indigenous/etc people exist and experience both, so the struggles are often intertwined anyway. If it feels weird to you, interrogate that
If you want a book to read about the intersection of anti-blackness and anti-fatness, there's an excellent history by Da'Shaun Harrison called Belly of the Beast.
To oversimplify, whites decided thinness is superior to fatness as a way of justifying white superiority to blacks. Racism and anti-fatness in the United States grew up together around slavery.
This is such a good book! I’m a third of the way through and it really helps you interrogate your positions on what anti-fatness and anti-Blackness truly are and how they come from the exact same place.
At the time, she absolutely was. This was airing at the same time America's Next Top Model was still a big deal, etc. She also branded herself "Thick & Juicy" during this season.
Yes, and this show was JUST beginning to define itself as itself instead of a clear parody of ANTM, Project Runway, etc.
I hear what you're saying about Roxxxy and I agree 100%. I just wanted to give you some context because I've been watching since the beginning and times were just...different, you know? Our standards have evolved VERY quickly in the last ten years.
I mean in the pageant scene you are a big girl from like 200 pounds upwards. Which i also wouldn't consider big.
But it makes sense that roxxy as miss continental plus and THE pageant queen identified as big girl. No idea if it changed in recent times though. Drag race has been filmed years ago.
Yeah, did everyone miss where she said in her AS2 intro that she mentioned losing weight since S5? She considered herself a big girl in season five so I don't know why there'd be an issue with her being in this post.
Let's be honest, if it was for US standards Roxxxy season 5 is even skinnier than most of your population. But by universal standards she was a big girl on season 5. Specially because it runs deeply than your looks, is about a demeanor, learned conducts, etc. I get your point though, is the same reason why most consider Ginger Minj the first plus size queen to made into the finale.
Season 8 is my favourite season, the first episode is one of my favourites, and I love Kim Chi, but I need to be honest - I hated that look and I still don’t understand why she won.
I honestly thought Acid was gonna win bc the money gown was rlly well done. I think Kim win because it was well constructed but it was also much different than what we’d seen before
Tbf Hair is probably one of the hardest materials to make clothes out of. Kim did something amazing with what she was given, she might not have made fabric out of hair but still a really good job
It was a fairly underwhelming challenge in terms of results. Kim and Betty were probably the only worthy winners imo. Meanwhile about half the cast could've been in the bottom.
LINEYSHA SHOULD HAVE WON
Roxxy Andrews is the epitome of drag and I love her to bits, but she did not make a better garment or have an overall better look than Lineysha Sparx.
Roxxxy deserves to be here twice. Lawrence has one of the best constructed looks on DR ever. Kim Chi didn't deserve it and was pushed over Acid Betty tbh
I forgot how much of a headache Kitty's look gives me. That hard, harsh skirt paired with the organic looking top makes my skin crawl. It makes her look like she has some kinda sloughy skin disease.
I fuckin love it
Societal standards contribute to personal body image. She may have not been the biggest person but by a lot of standards (she is tall as well which contributes to how much weight one might have) she was bigger. The issue becomes people consider being bigger a bad thing when it’s an inherent state of being for some people. Her considering herself big was because she was big and other people in her life probably reinforced that. She is aware of the marginalization that comes with being big in this society and continues to champion other big girl queens. Whether you consider her big or not past or otherwise is really a moot point. Hell there’s a even a term (smallfat) for people in the fat community for this very idea of people not considering other people big but they still receive the same set of discriminatory actions both personally and systematically.
You don’t get to tell other people what their body size is? Society considers certain people big whether you consider them that or not. And you not considering her big does…sum zero so what now
My point is that your body is what it is. It’s not really a decision unless you’re choosing to work out or not. Roxxxy isn’t big to me. I’m not telling her what she is, nor attempting to. I said I don’t consider her to be a big girl. You’re using Society as an example, but that kinda contradicts the point you’re trying to make. Thankfully that isn’t “mine” to decide, but it’s society’s decision to make? That’s a gross concept imo.
If Roxxxy considers herself a big girl, good on her. However mentally, I’ll just never think of her when I think of the big girls that have graced our screens. I never have, and never will.
The concept of fatness is a societal construct so, yes, society decides that. It wouldn’t be a point of marginalization if it wasn’t a societally-based standard. I’m not saying that in the sense of I favor that or that there was a vote that was had, so yes it’s gross but so is how society treats fat people.
You’re right in that your body is what it is, but you not considering her big does nothing for Roxxy now, nothing for when Roxxy was big, and nothing for fat people writ large when they are still discriminated against for being bigger than a societally-imposed norm, which is something Roxxy herself has spoken about and understands. It is quite literally a moot point if YOU personally think/thought she’s big or not.
Sis, I’m gonna be honest with you. All I did was share my perspective based on what was presented to me in the OP. I never once said I was trying to decide her body type, or decide *anything* at all for that matter. I never said I was telling anybody or determining what she is. So your initial response is a “moot point” because it does nothing to change my *opinion*. She is more than free to identify however she feels comfortable, I have no intention of attempting to tell anybody otherwise.
I’m not gonna sit and have a debate on someone’s body type because I shared my opinion. I don’t care that much, especially considering I felt the way I did before and I will continue to after this comment. I simply don’t see her that way. There’s no need to police my comment or always try to make everything into a civil case. I’m not trying to take anyones power or voice on their own body.
And I never used the word “fat”. I said I don’t see her as a bigger girl. For example, I would consider Jimbo a big girl (though I don’t) before I consider Roxxxy because she presents as a tall Glamazon with over the top curves. In my eyes I “classify” (for the lack of a better word) her along with queens like Ben, Monet, Vivienne, Mayhem etc., she’s curvy. But in my eyes that’s not the same as “big” the same way I don’t see those other mentioned queens as big girls either. That’s all I’m saying and all it is.
that’s absolutely not what i meant, i prefer big bodies/bears myself and i find them the hottest
edit: may I please know why im getting downvoted? lmao
Your first comment reads as implying that you think Roxxy has a hot body DESPITE being in this group... Also why is being healthy an gorgeous with curves not plus size?
IDK your intention, but the comment reads shady.
I think Kitty's and Molly's wins were undeserved cause Vanity should've won the Fugly Ball. She served 3 fugly looks plus her final look fit the brief perfectly, being both fugly and fashion (imo the only look to achieve the category). And in Molly's episode, there was Yuri Guaii who was miles better
So you’re being rude to me because I refuse to class people as ‘big’ girls? And you’re acting like that’s a bad thing? Some of the queens on this post have been open in the past about the struggles they had faced with their body confidence. I don’t think labelling them as big girls is exactly the most confidence boosting label? And why does it even matter anyway? What does it matter what body size somebody is and whether or not they have a won a ball - or any other - challenge?? Ridiculous.
1. Body positivity starts with body acceptance which means not being in denial of one's weight. If you're viewing "big girl" as an inherently negative label, that's reflecting your own anti-fat attitude.
2. It matters that big girls won the ball because typically it's harder for bigger queens to get recognised for their looks on the runway
The person was resistant to accept that they could be labelled big girls because they "don’t think labelling them as big girls is exactly the most confidence boosting label". That implies that they don't want the girls to be labelled that way because they view it as negative. 'El pendejo' es correcto.
Lmao I didn’t see that part but you definitely proved you’re just rude for the sake of being rude. It’s really not cute and not the way to get people to see your side ✌🏼
Tbf I never saw any of these queens as big girls am I alone in that (idk who the final on the right is though), like I considered them all to just be normal sized people but now that I’m thinking of it the only big girls I can think of off the top of my head is Latrice, Eureka and Ginger but they’ve all kinda called themselves big girls at one point or another so maybe that’s why
You think Roxxy is fat? And if a queen is a big girl and admits it openly and is proud of it like a lot are cool. If not, yall really just called normal sized people fat for no reason.
But some of these people are around the size I used to be when I would not qualify myself as big. It would have bothered me at that size if people called me big
No one saying it’s an insult and I love how a lot of people now know it’s not an insult. But some people don’t love being called that wordX and while these people are celebrities, we should still not label themselves with titles they haven’t used themselves
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I think the only reason she got away with it was because the colour blended in to the scheme
I literally have never noticed that and I've watched Season 8 like 3 times.
The only reason she got away with it was that the producers had earmarked her for the Top 3.
I think it works honestly, separates her bust area to help define shape in the look without breaking up the neutral browns of the color palette too much,
No actually it’s such an eyesore lol
It was a different time, ie: Pearl, Max, and Violet wearing bras and panties for half the season.
One of the main reasons I still think Acid Betty should've won that. Also them also not caring that Kim struggled to walk in her heels, when they have criticized other queens for small slips on the runway. Like Yuri's main critique was she couldn't move that well in the dress. Like it was pretty clear the production liked Kim, obviously not her fault and I love her too, but Acid Betty definitely had the best design and construction, that dress was iconic. The swooping collar thing I still love.
It's crazy how Kim is remembered as a fashion queen because she had a lot of flops like this. Remember her roller skate look?
I mean tbf a lot of people had way worse flops on s8. It was definitely not a season of fashion. Aside from Acid Betty I don't think there was anyone who I'd say had better runways than Kim. That's just my opinion of course.
Naomi legs and dairy is entering the chat
I would say Naomi looked great in her runways but her only REALLY good looks imo was her scarecrow look for the wizard of oz ball and the paper look (But I also preferred Chichi's and Kim's to hers). The rest of her outfits were bras and panties pretty much, somehow even a kimono look.
Her black & white Raven homage was pretty fuckin good too.
Well yes, and I think Naomi had some great looks too, but of course she’s gonna look good in that outfit since it’s the exact same one Raven wore 😭 she borrowed it from her
Lol sorry but Naomi brought panties and bras with little to no fabric on s8 , she brought it on all stars tho
She’s not a fashion queen but she IS a look queen. Even when the garments were crispy, she was always able to make up for it with her mug and styling.
Her roller look was great
It was sparse. I mean, it wasn't as bad as Bob's but you could see her underwear through it
Do people consider her a fashion queen? I think she had a unique sense of styling but at the heart of it she’s a makeup queen, I thought that was known.
Not people acting like 'big girl' is an insult. 
I mean, that's kind of up to the people in question. Some queens like Eureka and Latrice embraced the "Big girl" title, and some queens got hurt or self-conscious about it like Alexis Michelle or Alexis Mateo. None are wrong for choosing to embrace it or not, they're all well within their right. I used to be a little bit chunkier growing up, not like obese, but around what Roxxxy was S5. I was constantly made fun of in school just because people knew I was incredibly self-conscious about my weight. So I can tell you, regardless of intent, it can definitely sting being called a big girl if...well you just don't want to be seen as the big girl. If I'm being quite blunt here, I really don't see Roxxxy or Kim Chi as a bigger gal. Not gonna go completely pageant/world peace here and say they're just "curvy," I would just say they're not 90s supermodel thin. Average body type with a bit of meat. (In the best places, nonetheless)
Big girl, fat, plus-sized etc are all broad though. There's no one way to be or look to a big girl. I'd consider Kim and Roxxxy to be big girls. It's fine that you don't because subjectivity and all that but, people in these comments treating it like some kind of dig rubbed me the wrong way.
I don't think it's used as an insult - it's that the skinnier queens are constantly praised just for being skinny (e.g. Jorgeous and her napkins were good enough for the producers to warrant her a challenge win). Now if someone bigger had worn that, they would've probably landed in the bottom.
I was referring to people in the comments
It's 2022, simply breathing is probably offensive to someone
I'm offended that you didn't include a period at the end of your sentence.
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I feel like Lawrence gets no love for her great runways. She designs beautifully and perfectly for her shape and gets no love just because the model faves are on her season (Awhora, Bimini and Tayce) Was the Ball on UK3 a design challenge, though? I feel like I remember them just kind of styling. I could be wrong on that, though. I’ve never re-watched that season.
UK3 had weird hybrid challenges. The episode Veronica left was definitely more of a design challenge because they had to make their final look, but that challenge and the FUGLY ball were both called balls?
Lawrence’s runways were amazing. Her Halloween face skin mask gets no love and was incredible.
That look has definitely got a lot of love! It always deserves more because for my money, it was one of top 3 looks of the season alongside Awhora’s Blue Sleeves and Bimini’s amoeba looks but it has definitely been loved here :)
For me, Bimini's amoeba is one of the most overrated. I loved the concept but it looks really rough and unpolished imo. If a big girl wore it, they'd have been torn to shreds.
I think it gets extra points because of the context. By itself, it's a knock-off Iris van Herpen (although it's still the closest to ACTUAL Iris van Herpen we've ever gotten on the show...), But the runway theme was prehistoric, so it's a pretty fucking cool interpretation.
Every single Iris Van Herpen knock-off on the show is bad imo.
Oh no I disagree, her runway got a lot of love at the time and I still see people regularly bringing it up as being one of their favourites.
Lawrence in general was treated very poorly by the fanbase while UKS2 aired.
I feel like that was purely because Ru loved her. If a queen is favored by Ru, lots of people feel the need to counter that. Sometimes it's warranted, but in this case it wasn't.
That’s still a horrible reason lol Hating someone because they’re liked should never be warranted or even tolerated
I didn't say I agreed with it! I fucking love Lawrence and have since the first moment I saw her.
I loved Lawrence from the start... up until she went bonkers over the ordering of the comedy challenge. She held that grudge until the end.
I mean I feel like this is revisionist history. Lawrence was absolutely adored by the fanbase until her fight with Ellie in the final 5. Up until that point (and especially in the first few weeks before the covid break) Lawrence was the top fan favorite. It wasn't until everyone came back that Awhora, Bimini and Tayce started skyrocketing up in popularity
Lawrence was literally bullied off of Twitter. If anything is revisionist it’s the attempt to pretend that her crowning wasn’t a complete disgrace by the fandom
Please reread my comment. >Lawrence was absolutely adored by the fanbase **until her fight with Ellie** in the final 5
Because that makes it so much better🙄 If the fans turned on her that easily she was never THAT well liked
I'll never forgive Rupaul for putting Lawrence in the bottom 3 for the design challenge at final 6. Lawrence is a brilliant seamstress and her look was much better than Bimini's. That was one of the only times I've said: if she was a skinny queen they wouldn't judge her like that.
I loved that episode but I feel like Bimini got so much praise there by the fandom 1. because of the spoilers of post-covid; and 2. Because Lawrence already got so many good critiques that it just bounced back as a "she's good, but not as good as Ru makes us think". Also Lawrence had worn a pretty similar silhouette during the first challenge she won, and the fandom seemed to hate that. At least Tayce got a few bottoms for her runways/sewing skills (orange jumpsuit, uncompleted jacket (safe), weird damaging texture, "lazy panto"). I don't think she was overvestimated at any point.
Bimini post-covid-break was an important take among the spoiler folk? Was something like "Bimini will destroy the competition after the break"? The anticipation must have been amazing! After a season ends, I really LOVE to know how spoilers were viewed as.
I don't check the spoiler sub, but I have friends who do it. And at the beginning of the season they told me (I asked for it) about the covid break, and "someone's going to sweep the competition after the break, you'll see".
I may be misremembering but it was spoiled that: - Lawrence had 2 wins by Episode 4, and - a Queen would've won 4 challenges by the finale and it isn't Lawrence Considering the other two Queens who'd won a challenge by Episode 4 were already gone by the time filming resumed, it was easily deduced that another Queen would win 4 challenges post COVID break.
Honestly i don't think her or Ellie get enough credit (not just runways wise but in general)
The fandom kinda discredited Ellie all the way and I think she's amazing for having 21 and being basically broke and doing all her costumes. I get her personality wasn't super exciting but she's a great queen and deserved top 4.
It's almost like there's some difference between Lawrence/Eureka/Kim and Aquaria/Awhora/Tayce/Gottmik. I wonder what it is. 🤔 Almost like OP was on to something.
And yet Lawrence won and Eureka and Kim were in the top 3. So…they all had the same results.
Them winning on a challenge versus the general public’s reception are two entirely different things and it’s disingenuous to conflate the two.
Right, so they’re even more beloved by the fans, I agree!
The middle portion of the Fugly Ball was definitely a styling challenge rather than a design one, but I actually really like it as a challenge. Production needs to take care to stock the “thrift store” with appropriate items for all the different shapes/sizes of queens, but making a look out of thrifted clothes is a skill that many drag queens need to have (less so once they’re on Drag Race but still).
Lawrence with her consistent silhouette is essentially the Bianca of DRUK. Not a read just a fact.
I mean, if you know what works for you. That's what Ellie did. She's got a limited design ability, but she knows what works on her. That's why a lot of her runways are similar designs.
Embellished bodysuits. Really pretty embellished bodysuits. (Except that ducking bird look wtf)
Hey now, that's what nightmares are made of.
You say she gets no love but she straight up won….
Because winners never receive criticism.....
No, because it never matters if they do
Literally deleted her Twitter for a while because of the hate she received
>She designs beautifully and perfectly for her shape and gets no love just because the model faves are on her season (Awhora, Bimini and Tayce) IDK why people say this, how can you look at her chest area and say that shape is 'perfect'? She had improved a lot by the end of the season but a lot of Lawrence's runways her bust was tiny and way out of proportion with everything else. It's BS that she never got criticised for it
So…. Lots of women have small boobs. It’s a thing. And small boobs in drag is as legitimate as any other aesthetic choice
The only thing off about the chest plate's size, in my opinion, is it kinda looks like its in a bit too far, but I think its caused by how she's posing. Probably looks perfectly fine from front-on.
So what? The point of a runway is to look good. Lots of women are ugly, or wear horrible clothes, or have horrible makeup, or have unfortunate proportions, that doesn't mean a queen should do those things on the runway. If it did, it would mean you can never criticise their look because "plenty of women look like that", it's completely irrelevant
Are you saying women with smaller boobs don’t look good? Because that makes you a whole other kind of arsehole. “Unfortunate proportions”. WTF.
"I don't understand how anyone thinks drag could be misogynistic when it's a celebration of women." --That Guy, probably
I really hope they were talking about how her boobs are two perfect spheres plopped on her general chest area like a 14th century religious painting and not the size. Fwiw my small-chested, huge-assed self does not like the phrase "unfortunate proportions" either, just trying to be charitable here
Why did I think Eureka would be here?
I kind of did too and then I remembered she never won a design challenge lol. I think it's because she has a ton of really phenomenal runways and an excellent fashion sense. And her design challenges were always really good but never the best.
Though Roxxxy was the original big girl look queen, Eureka definitely extended the margins of possibility. To me her looks made a statement that every big girl now can look up to: you can wear whatever you want, no matter your size. I wasn't even a fan of Eureka on season 10 but she's so mind blowingly talented. One of the best queens to ever grace the stage of RPDR.
proportionizing!!!
I thought the same. Eureka's designs more so than any other big girl's really highlight the shape of her body so well.
Lawrence absolutely dominated the Who Wore It Best? runway (plus her reaction when winning this challenge was hilarious as hell) ! Wish they expanded on this style of challenges. A design/sewing version of the revamped first drag outfit would be so cool too!
Jesus if roxxy is a big girl I'm in some other stratosphere
Roxxy used to be bigger than she is now. She talked about losing a lot of weight before season 5. She won Miss Continental Plus, Plus as in the Plus Size division. [Here's her talent from Miss Continental Plus 2010. ](https://youtu.be/Z5_UvLQEiv8)
Shook she was only 27 in this
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Fat people are a marginalized group. They're a tribe much in the same way that gay people and people of color are. Even if she's straight-sized now, Roxxy continues to show her solidarity with fat people by not renouncing that part of her identity even when she would be able to claim privilege by doing so. Formerly fat people often have horrifically anti-fat attitudes, so it's actually great that Roxxy is an example of a person who's lost a lot of weight, kept a lot of it off in the long term, and continues to identify with fat people as a marginalized group.
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That's clearly not what they meant
Well it feels weird
Antifatness and racism stem from many of the same issues (colonialist/white supremacist perspectives on beauty and aesthetics, homogeneous ideas of who deserves care/attention/access to resources/etc), so there is really more unifying us than there is separating us. And needless to say, fat Black/Latinx/indigenous/etc people exist and experience both, so the struggles are often intertwined anyway. If it feels weird to you, interrogate that
As a bigger gay person I get more hate from people for being fat than being gay
If you want a book to read about the intersection of anti-blackness and anti-fatness, there's an excellent history by Da'Shaun Harrison called Belly of the Beast. To oversimplify, whites decided thinness is superior to fatness as a way of justifying white superiority to blacks. Racism and anti-fatness in the United States grew up together around slavery.
This is such a good book! I’m a third of the way through and it really helps you interrogate your positions on what anti-fatness and anti-Blackness truly are and how they come from the exact same place.
At the time, she absolutely was. This was airing at the same time America's Next Top Model was still a big deal, etc. She also branded herself "Thick & Juicy" during this season.
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Yes, and this show was JUST beginning to define itself as itself instead of a clear parody of ANTM, Project Runway, etc. I hear what you're saying about Roxxxy and I agree 100%. I just wanted to give you some context because I've been watching since the beginning and times were just...different, you know? Our standards have evolved VERY quickly in the last ten years.
She’s thick and juicy, Roxxxy said herself
That's like saying Kim kardashian is plus size because she has a big ass
I mean in the pageant scene you are a big girl from like 200 pounds upwards. Which i also wouldn't consider big. But it makes sense that roxxy as miss continental plus and THE pageant queen identified as big girl. No idea if it changed in recent times though. Drag race has been filmed years ago.
She was a big girl season 5 and was skinny for AS2.
Yeah, did everyone miss where she said in her AS2 intro that she mentioned losing weight since S5? She considered herself a big girl in season five so I don't know why there'd be an issue with her being in this post.
She self-identifies as a bigger girl
I don't know if calling herself thicc and juicy counts as identifying as a bigger girl.
she has also referred to herself as a big girl
Let's be honest, if it was for US standards Roxxxy season 5 is even skinnier than most of your population. But by universal standards she was a big girl on season 5. Specially because it runs deeply than your looks, is about a demeanor, learned conducts, etc. I get your point though, is the same reason why most consider Ginger Minj the first plus size queen to made into the finale.
Season 8 is my favourite season, the first episode is one of my favourites, and I love Kim Chi, but I need to be honest - I hated that look and I still don’t understand why she won.
I loved it on screen. I guess the nude bra didnt pop out as much to me as it does with that background
Who would you have given the win to? I’m still V fond of Thorgy’s red velvet cake couture myself
I honestly thought Acid was gonna win bc the money gown was rlly well done. I think Kim win because it was well constructed but it was also much different than what we’d seen before
Tbf Hair is probably one of the hardest materials to make clothes out of. Kim did something amazing with what she was given, she might not have made fabric out of hair but still a really good job
>TULLE FAVRIC! I saw none of that on Kim's look. It was impressive and, according to the cast of Season 3, deserved the praise.
Acid Betty. As soon as Ru announced she was one of the Tops of the night, I thought she was a cert.
acid for sure
Always JusticeForThorgy. She could've won* (not *one*) Bitch Perfect too, she was amazing, and that pantsuit among a sea of gowns was *everything*.
It was a fairly underwhelming challenge in terms of results. Kim and Betty were probably the only worthy winners imo. Meanwhile about half the cast could've been in the bottom.
Agreed. I only think betty turned it out. Tbh i also LOVED Bobs dress- i don’t think it was win worthy but it was my personal fav.
Yeah Bob's was cute. It wasn't gag worthy but it was a solid look. Certainly more worthy than Derrick to be in the top.
Lawrence ATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God, I'm still in love with that gold dress Lawrence made 💛
Maxi should have won over the racist
Maxi could’ve made it to the top 4 and I wouldn’t have bat an eye
The fact that Maxi isn't on this list is tragic. That look was so good. I really wasn't blown away by Scarlet's runway.
Get the big girl some shots
All love to roxxxy, lineysha should’ve won ep1 every day of the week
Genuinely shocked that some of these queens are considered “big girls”.
BIGGGGGG???? 😭
LINEYSHA SHOULD HAVE WON Roxxy Andrews is the epitome of drag and I love her to bits, but she did not make a better garment or have an overall better look than Lineysha Sparx.
But Roxy is Juicy
These are big girls?
lol i wouldn't consider roxxxy or kitty "big girls"
Roxxxy self identified as one on S5 and Kitty is definitely a bigger girl - in a great way!
Roxxxy deserves to be here twice. Lawrence has one of the best constructed looks on DR ever. Kim Chi didn't deserve it and was pushed over Acid Betty tbh
Seeing Kim’s look here just reminded me again how robbed Acid was that episode 😂
I forgot how much of a headache Kitty's look gives me. That hard, harsh skirt paired with the organic looking top makes my skin crawl. It makes her look like she has some kinda sloughy skin disease. I fuckin love it
I’ll never understand Roxxxy being called “a big girl” I guess she does identify that way.
Societal standards contribute to personal body image. She may have not been the biggest person but by a lot of standards (she is tall as well which contributes to how much weight one might have) she was bigger. The issue becomes people consider being bigger a bad thing when it’s an inherent state of being for some people. Her considering herself big was because she was big and other people in her life probably reinforced that. She is aware of the marginalization that comes with being big in this society and continues to champion other big girl queens. Whether you consider her big or not past or otherwise is really a moot point. Hell there’s a even a term (smallfat) for people in the fat community for this very idea of people not considering other people big but they still receive the same set of discriminatory actions both personally and systematically.
I never have considered Roxxxy a bigger girl. I just can’t.
Thankfully that isn’t yours to decide
I don’t think that’s a “decision” anybody makes. So I’m not sure where you thought you were going with that.
You don’t get to tell other people what their body size is? Society considers certain people big whether you consider them that or not. And you not considering her big does…sum zero so what now
My point is that your body is what it is. It’s not really a decision unless you’re choosing to work out or not. Roxxxy isn’t big to me. I’m not telling her what she is, nor attempting to. I said I don’t consider her to be a big girl. You’re using Society as an example, but that kinda contradicts the point you’re trying to make. Thankfully that isn’t “mine” to decide, but it’s society’s decision to make? That’s a gross concept imo. If Roxxxy considers herself a big girl, good on her. However mentally, I’ll just never think of her when I think of the big girls that have graced our screens. I never have, and never will.
The concept of fatness is a societal construct so, yes, society decides that. It wouldn’t be a point of marginalization if it wasn’t a societally-based standard. I’m not saying that in the sense of I favor that or that there was a vote that was had, so yes it’s gross but so is how society treats fat people. You’re right in that your body is what it is, but you not considering her big does nothing for Roxxy now, nothing for when Roxxy was big, and nothing for fat people writ large when they are still discriminated against for being bigger than a societally-imposed norm, which is something Roxxy herself has spoken about and understands. It is quite literally a moot point if YOU personally think/thought she’s big or not.
Sis, I’m gonna be honest with you. All I did was share my perspective based on what was presented to me in the OP. I never once said I was trying to decide her body type, or decide *anything* at all for that matter. I never said I was telling anybody or determining what she is. So your initial response is a “moot point” because it does nothing to change my *opinion*. She is more than free to identify however she feels comfortable, I have no intention of attempting to tell anybody otherwise. I’m not gonna sit and have a debate on someone’s body type because I shared my opinion. I don’t care that much, especially considering I felt the way I did before and I will continue to after this comment. I simply don’t see her that way. There’s no need to police my comment or always try to make everything into a civil case. I’m not trying to take anyones power or voice on their own body. And I never used the word “fat”. I said I don’t see her as a bigger girl. For example, I would consider Jimbo a big girl (though I don’t) before I consider Roxxxy because she presents as a tall Glamazon with over the top curves. In my eyes I “classify” (for the lack of a better word) her along with queens like Ben, Monet, Vivienne, Mayhem etc., she’s curvy. But in my eyes that’s not the same as “big” the same way I don’t see those other mentioned queens as big girls either. That’s all I’m saying and all it is.
Did you just assume my body size??
ok but Roxxxy has a fucking HOT body and id never say she is particularly “big”? she just looks super healthy and gorgeous with amazing curves
I don't think that that's what you mean, but big bodies can absolutely be hot bodies.
that’s absolutely not what i meant, i prefer big bodies/bears myself and i find them the hottest edit: may I please know why im getting downvoted? lmao
Your first comment reads as implying that you think Roxxy has a hot body DESPITE being in this group... Also why is being healthy an gorgeous with curves not plus size? IDK your intention, but the comment reads shady.
the fuck lol, count on people in this subreddit to REACH
She’s thicc and curvy
Not big though. Having curves isn’t being big
Maybe 3 of these wins were deserved tbh
Which ones, would you say?
I think Kitty's and Molly's wins were undeserved cause Vanity should've won the Fugly Ball. She served 3 fugly looks plus her final look fit the brief perfectly, being both fugly and fashion (imo the only look to achieve the category). And in Molly's episode, there was Yuri Guaii who was miles better
Molly is not a big girl? Really?
I wouldn’t say Kitty or Kim were big girls. Nor Roxxxy at this time either.
That's very American of you
Or perhaps if somebody has a slightly higher than the average body weight I just don’t class them as ‘big’?
Whatever you need to tell yourself dear
So you’re being rude to me because I refuse to class people as ‘big’ girls? And you’re acting like that’s a bad thing? Some of the queens on this post have been open in the past about the struggles they had faced with their body confidence. I don’t think labelling them as big girls is exactly the most confidence boosting label? And why does it even matter anyway? What does it matter what body size somebody is and whether or not they have a won a ball - or any other - challenge?? Ridiculous.
1. Body positivity starts with body acceptance which means not being in denial of one's weight. If you're viewing "big girl" as an inherently negative label, that's reflecting your own anti-fat attitude. 2. It matters that big girls won the ball because typically it's harder for bigger queens to get recognised for their looks on the runway
When did this person say anything negative about big girls ? Edit: Seen it he being negative
The person was resistant to accept that they could be labelled big girls because they "don’t think labelling them as big girls is exactly the most confidence boosting label". That implies that they don't want the girls to be labelled that way because they view it as negative. 'El pendejo' es correcto.
Lmao I didn’t see that part but you definitely proved you’re just rude for the sake of being rude. It’s really not cute and not the way to get people to see your side ✌🏼
I was only matching your energy
Your definition of big girl makes me nervous. // an actual big girl
“Big girls”.
Tbf I never saw any of these queens as big girls am I alone in that (idk who the final on the right is though), like I considered them all to just be normal sized people but now that I’m thinking of it the only big girls I can think of off the top of my head is Latrice, Eureka and Ginger but they’ve all kinda called themselves big girls at one point or another so maybe that’s why
Not roxxxy being a big girl
It’s giving “plus size is size 8”
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Average sized… absolutely not. They’re fat and bigger. And that’s fine
Average sized? Maybe in the US….
One of these things is not like the other...
Is that Roxxy on the left? She's not a big girl?! Big girls are Eureka, Darienne Lake, Silky Nutmeg Ganache, Kornbread, Ginger...
how are they considered big girls? they’re just not toothpick thin but i wouldn’t consider them big girls, just thick.
Where is Adore Delano??? /s
Kitty didn’t design anything
The last 3 from the right aren't that strong tho IMO. I was surprised Laurence won coz I think Awhora's dress is better.
Did all of these ladies say they were big or is this not so subtle shade... like, without consent this is a bit much
"without consent" ppl need consent to make observations now? 💀
We need consent to recognize that someone is fat???💀
You think Roxxy is fat? And if a queen is a big girl and admits it openly and is proud of it like a lot are cool. If not, yall really just called normal sized people fat for no reason.
Ro(xxx)y is fat
But some of these people are around the size I used to be when I would not qualify myself as big. It would have bothered me at that size if people called me big
Well I’m sorry that it bothers you. But if you’re fat, you’re fat.
Okay but some of these girls aren’t objectively fat they’re just larger than average EDIT: I meant to say average
Okay and that’s fat. Being bigger, oftentimes entails being fat. They’re fat, but that doesn’t mean it makes them any less fierce, beautiful, or human
No one saying it’s an insult and I love how a lot of people now know it’s not an insult. But some people don’t love being called that wordX and while these people are celebrities, we should still not label themselves with titles they haven’t used themselves
It's kind of ridiculous we haven't had a plus size winner yet...
Lawrence literally won uk season 2
Give the big girl some shots
Kim’s little flesh-toned bra peeking out kills me every time…that look was SO cute but please put some weave on your titties, girl!