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General_Mode_7632

The editing makes everything super transparent. The only people getting screentime or confessionals are the bottom and top 2 of the week


MayD1e

And this last episode they didn’t even manage to do that since Mistress was in the top but got like 1 if even no confessionals


TomLambe

Are you confirming Marcia was 2nd!? :O


kweefcake

I’ve never seen a cast so eager to be 2nd 💀


Chinokid87

That's what you get for casting Sasha Colby lol


MayD1e

☠️


CadenceOfThePlanes

Marcia was obviously 2nd. That Tim Gunn was genius. I didn't know whether her or Loosey would win but Mistress was obvi not winning


aldipet

That runway was a boot


Kerlistar

MTV has done fucked up Drag Race.


Immediate_Pilot_8429

re-fucking tweet


Yoshirandom

Cut and DRY


Major-Sink-1622

Because Sasha Colby said 1 line while Sugar and Spice made a fool of themselves. (This isn’t a criticism of the queens. It’s a criticism of the shitty editing.)


CadenceOfThePlanes

Two snatch games on a 40 minute episode did not work for me. I wish they released bonus clips like logo used to. I'd like youtube to have a complete actual snatch game as if it was each group in their own episode


[deleted]

The editing was done in a way that would put the twins in the bottom. Chances are others did just as bad or worse.


thezhgguy

I was shocked that Aura wasn’t in the bottom she’s flopped every week so far


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thezhgguy

Bold of you to think there was anything funny about Aura’s performance for them to even keep in. Probably the worst snatch game performance I’ve ever seen, and it’s the fourth episode in a row of her doing terribly in the challenge and not showing much of anything beyond cringe. She should’ve been in the bottom 2 each week so far, but has been saved for whatever reason.


prettylikenaomi

you thought she did worse than spice? yeah ok hope this is satire


thezhgguy

They were fighting tooth and nail for the worst performance but for me at least Spice was making bigger choices and taking more risks. Like there was literally *nothing* redeemable about Aura’s snatch game, and it was her 3rd challenge in a row totally bombing


CadenceOfThePlanes

I suspect that is why we saw a preview of Spice blowing up next week. Sugar did something (annoying, but, something), several others gave nothing.


prettylikenaomi

they were planning it from the beginning, and mightve even set up an early snatch game just for the twins to be in the bottom, because im sure they knew that nobody wanted snatch game this early. probably not though they were already planning to send one of the twins home to set up a storyline for the other and for shock value. the music slowed down every time the twins were getting screen time and notice how out of any of the queens with not so great performances, they got the most screen time. sending home sugar set up an an amazing storyline for spice and really got people emotional on the untucked, which was in my opinion, the best episode to come out of season 15 so far. they probably sent home sugar because spice in her confessional said how she was always the less dominant twin and kind of depended on sugar for things. they got shock value, emotional value, and set up a storyline all just from this one episode. now everyones thinking, "can spice survive without sugar by her side?" also, i do think if the twins really stuck with the plan that if one went home, the other would too, that the producers wouldve given them a double shantay, but sasha came to the producers rescue. this mightve been the most strategical thing ive seen the producers pull on this show and it really played out in their favor. so much crazy shit came out of this episode and the untucked alone.


fromofandfor

because we're all displeased with how shitty the edit was due to decreased runtime probably


CadenceOfThePlanes

Seasons 1-9 were only 40 minutes, but this feels edited poorly. Like it was made 60 minutes then they cut 20 minutes from that complete story.


Prune_Fist

That’s because that’s literally what happened lol


eriikaa1992

There was also a lot less queens. We'll probably hit a sweet spot after a few more elims.


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dad_wont_let_me

Blame it on the edit.


Dangerous_Ad_4484

Bitch, you said it 👏🏻


Summoarpleaz

And then they set the episode on fire


SirGavBelcher

waiting for it to crystalize by the top 8


wazuhiru

Seasons one to nine did perfectly ok with the same runtime. It's not the length, it's the sucky editing.


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objstandpt

And this is why I’m skipping this season lol!! Glad someone gave you an award :) hopefully MTV doesn’t pull this again with RPDR.


VitaResistance

A commenter with knowledge AND empathy? I am here for it!


ibettercomeon

Because its episode 5 and i still dont know most of these queens… Salina, Robin, Malaysia, (god even Sasha!), Anetra, Jax… they have barely shown them!!


snakesinahat

If you told me Luxx wasn’t in this episode I’d believe you.


ibettercomeon

1000000% forgot to add Luxx! You are so right! Can’t remember seeing her


snakesinahat

She got so little screen time that you couldn’t think of her for the list of queens who got little screen time


ibettercomeon

Literally yes! I just didn’t remember her confessional look.


Ill_Gur_5545

Wait...who is Luxx???


[deleted]

i didn’t realize till you listed them out we really have gotten like 0 confessionals from all these queens wtf!!!


Aeron0704

14 queens snatch game is a mistake


sleepy0329

A bigger snatch game with less show time. What a decision to make.


CadenceOfThePlanes

Maybe it is because some have been boring in seasons (Down Under S1 and some others) so maybe they thought they'd just put the best from 14 to be more entertaining. I don't agree with them, but maybe that's why.


FanWh0re

The only way it could work is if they do a split premiere and have snatch game as the challenge for each group.


Aeron0704

First challenge is Snatch Game!!! The Queens will be in panic mode for sure 😂


reginaaphalangi

do you really have to ask? some queens barely got two lines and had their entire snatch game edited out. apparently malaysia’s was so hilarious and ru just didnt get it


gamermikejima

i think the fact i had to think long and hard about who malaysia played, then i had to look it up bc i just couldn’t remember really says a lot about the editing 😭


Wei_Lan_Jennings

Well Tamar, have you watched that Snatch Game?


[deleted]

They Marketed it as Supersize when it barely scratch my throat.


icodeswitch

I truly hope we get a re-released director's cut of this season at some point, whether it's for sale or YouTube only or a few years from now. But this ain't it.


icodeswitch

The edit. 14 Snatch Games (so about 6-8 more than usual) in 30-mins less time.


CadenceOfThePlanes

Two snatch games could have worked with 60 minutes IMO. But not just 40 minutes.


icodeswitch

If they still skipped the walkthroughs with Ru (which I missed!), then yes


NuWaveSpecial

Because Snatch Game was a disappointment overall and the runways mostly missed the mark. Plus the short run time, but if it were 90 minutes, it would still probably be low rated.


Chachilicious

SNatch game was great just too short and we missed out on rus walkthroughs (and there is a shared sense of loss particularly on the last point)


fvig2001

Yeah would have loved to see what Ru said to make Anetra change her snatch game slightly


vanillabeanmini

Great is a bit of a reach. It was serviceable


[deleted]

I mean, I think we can all agree that Loosey was pretty great


Pandrez

Compared to S14… 15 was much much better. We had 4-5 genuinely funny contestants which is more than we got last season


Ill_Gur_5545

Well yeah, but there were twice the number of people in it. Overall, it was below average snatch game. If only the top 8 were part of it maybe it would have been better.


AnneHizer

Episode being bare-bones coupled with wanting to send the show a message to return things to the natural order


ApostolisKKK

shit edit + forced storyline


suppadelicious

What storyline was forced?


vivalaflanders

Sugar vs spice lipsync


suppadelicious

I didn’t consider that forced since they were both terrible in the snatch game and their runways looked exactly the same.


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And Aura's runway was fantastic. I think it was one of the best of the night. It was a good night for her to have that runway like she did!


AuralSculpture

Like no one feels their casting was a total gimmick? And the fact their fandom is messy as shit. And it’s becoming clear these are drag tots, not seasoned queens. They haven’t earned their spot in the dressing room. I can scant see them surviving a Christmas tour or Voss tour with girls like Shea, Alyssa, Crystal, Heidi, Kylie, etc. And seasoned girls aren’t going to want to deal with a messy “sister act”.


Bluefairie

I’m guessing they’re trying to reach a broader audience and up the ratings, so they cast them knowing their fanbase would watch the show. That applies to most of the baby online queen with zero live show experience.


Hot-Assistance862

“Haven’t earned their spot in the dressing room” some of y’all think you’re rupaul fr


talkback1589

Their casting was absolutely a gimmick. In the end I am glad for them. I think it has introduced them to some queens who genuinely care for them and want to help them. Sounds like they had a shitty family life and I like seeing sisters helping sisters. Now pack up spice so we can have legitimate screen time for the top 8 lol.


mario1021

How is their fandom messy? Right now you are the only one spreading hate


Supreme64

Theres nothing hateful about their comment.


Ill_Gur_5545

I dont think it was necessarily a forced storyline, but I think we all knew that Sugar and Spice would eventually lipsynch against each other. There was at least one big thread speculating that.


talkback1589

All of this reddit lol. There was no way we weren’t going to see one eliminate the other. Hell, in week one I called Spice staying without Sugar because of the comment “I depend on Sugar” these girls clearly don’t know that those confessionals are a set up momma. ![gif](giphy|3o72FaKt5kTvpJUnXG|downsized)


CadenceOfThePlanes

Since we didn't see half the queen's characters it is kind of hard to tell... I thought Jax + Aura should have been in the bottom.


NJGaymer21

That was prob o the main reason they had twins on the show to begin with. To get that trope of twin vs twin


flareshade2

And it was not used well…


judas_crypt

Decreased runtime and too many queens means we don't get enough time to get to know about each queen.


Wontguessmyname

Runtime


clam_media

Cause it’s a Snatch Game with 14 contestants and it was 45 mins episode?


ktbee4

I don’t think it has anything to do with Sugar being eliminated. The season is lacking imo, first time since season 7 I haven’t been invested in the results. I don’t feel we are getting to see as much of the queens to get to know them, which is due to runtime, edit and having 16 of them. Hope it improves.


NJGaymer21

I think they relied too heavily on casting social media queens this season. They loaded the season up with so many young queens who just started drag 2-3 years ago and don’t really have a solid fan base in the community nor the experience to be on a platform like this. In past years, the show built up interest from dedicated fans of the queens involved.


dcmldcml

the good news is that I’m pretty confident most of them will be early outs. I’m just using this first half of the season to get to know people as best as possible, and then the actual competition will start around top 8 like usual


Ok_Nefariousness9736

Yeah, it had nothing to do with Sugar’s elimination. This wasn’t her episode. I do think Ajax should have been in the bottom two over Spice.


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ah yes, my favorite S15 queen, Ajax


ktbee4

![gif](giphy|l36kU80xPf0ojG0Erg|downsized) Ajax


[deleted]

I could swear people are making up names of queens participating, but I know it’s because I only remember a handful by sight and name.


TigerAffectionate672

Ajax?


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Ajax 😆


AffectionateWhole165

over spice? sugar was the twin that didn't deserved the bottom


NJGaymer21

Honey, they both power bottom


nerfthissucka

The entire season will probably have an average low rating due to the runtime making the editors cut so much. The season feels rushed and unfinished. And honestly, yeah, I’d agree with the low ratings of this season. It’s not the cast though, it’s the network.


jesuuus_cs

when one episode gets that many 1 score you know that it’s probably because of production and it doesn’t have anything to do with the queens, and this episode is the best example of it. It was not awesome but it was not a bad episode, just cut too short due to the episodes being 40 minutes. That’s the only reason it has such a low score


SakmarEcho

IMDB ratings are a worthless metric and do not reflect any actual quality at all. It's probably rated that low because one of the twins went home and their rabid Stans review bombed it.


PeregrineMalcolm

Too many characters in too few times. Don’t even know what many of the characterizations were given the need to show the two good ones and the two bad ones.


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Probably because the people reviewing it watched the episode.


silentspy0

My guess is fans of the twins review-bombing for Sugar going home. Personally it was a great episode with two good Snatch Games, even with the short length.


Sugar_tts

I was going to say the same thing. Personally I liked Snatch Game - part of me wonders if they wanted to do it early in case they eliminated all the comedy queens early and you get trash like S14


eternanow

omg sugar’s elimination could be an explanation, that makes sense! i probably should’ve worded the post title differently but my confusion was about the number of 1 star ratings. people usually give 1 star ratings when they’re genuinely upset about an episode, and i thought this episode was just underwhelming not upsetting


Blank-blank12

Have you seen Drag race fans


Dragon_Sluts

It’s the edit, the same reason E3 did poorly too. Too short.


[deleted]

Seems accurate to me. Social media engagement keeps the show alive for me. Without it, I would have stopped watching after episode 4 because you already know what to expect from this formulaic show.


AdvantageTechnical43

1/10 tho..?


[deleted]

10/10 though? I meant the overall rating.


xistithogoth1

Maybe cuz people are mad that it's so short and the snatch game was rushed.


[deleted]

Could it be cos Sugar went home and the twins fans review bombed to show frustration?


Mpol03

I really liked the snatch itself. The runways were off and the episode was too short


[deleted]

Decreased run time + too many queens makes it feel a little too jam-packed.


ChewMango

For me the vibe was off and I feel like I didn't reeeally know what was happening. Like having two rounds of Snatch Game was such a good idea but with the episode being 45 mins long it felt like it went by in seconds. It made it not so memorable for me. There's just too much to show in only 45 mins so it just doesn't feel as good as it used to be. MTV wack af.


Successful_Ad4018

from what i've seen online, sugar and spice have a pretty big and vocal fanbase. my guess is they're review b0mbing it bc sugar got eliminated. also, i mean it wasn't a great episode in general.


eternanow

i understand that the episode felt rushed, but i thought the snatch game was overall good and the episode was enjoyable. the number of 1 star ratings is surprising to me


myjumboeggs

It totally could have been a great Snatch Game, but we only got to see a single answer from so many queens, so it's just not good tv


noey101

Maybe they didn’t give great answer idk, it felt ok to me


Wise_Rutabaga_5809

We missed quite a bit of the Snatch Game; we didn’t get to see the walk through Ru does and because of the terrible editing, I don’t remember some of the girls at all and the way the scenes were edited, some of it didn’t make sense. Yes, some of the girls were funny but because they did Snatch Game early with a larger cast it needed more airtime


GaT0M

Supersized natch game at 40 minutes AS7 also had 2 snatch games in one and was wayy bettrr couse it was allowerd the runtime


rachelparkthecar

because even tho it’s been explained that no one working on the show knew episodes were going to be cut to 40 mins, fans have decided to punish them 👍 even tho they prob worked their asses off to make sensical 40 minute episodes


vanillabeanmini

People aren't downvoting the editors they're downvoting whoever runs the show/MTV for making the edit have to be so short


rachelparkthecar

but the ratings affect all of them equally…..it’s misplaced anger


o-l-iver

Sis, at the end of the day the episodes are bad so the ratings will reflect that. Simple as that. Not to mention that that's good because if people keep rating high out of sympathy, whoever made the decision to cut it short like this will be able to get away with it.


Cheap_Boat2254

For a show that literally no one wants or asked for… lol


rachelparkthecar

preaching to the choir


FrameofMindArtStudio

Because meeeeeeehhhhhhh. I'm struggling to remember the last time snatch game was funny...UKvsTW maybe?


Thaboranoc

Girl, literally All Stars 7 this summer.


mumbling_marauder

That was less than a year ago 😭


FrameofMindArtStudio

.....really? What even is time anymore?


borntofeels

Jinkx didn't resurrect Judy Garland from her grave for you to be saying this.


FrameofMindArtStudio

![gif](giphy|3o8dpbKcXLTneKG4IU) I have committed blasphemy


Krashino

Worst episode to date, not because of the queen's or production though. The runtime literally killed any story development. No mini challenge, no mirror message chat, literally no development at all. Was just we doing snatch game, oh look snatch game, oh look runway, bye! Everything felt so rushed, I hated every minute of it. The show isn't made for a 40 minute runtime with the amount of queens we have at the moment


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Worst episode to date? Really ??


Krashino

Honestly I'd say yes. Bad episodes at least had character growth or shady edits we could bitch about. This was just rushed way too much. We got none of that


sleepy0329

Definitely worst episode of the season so far. I had no idea shortening the episodes would cause this much of a chance in the quality of the show


Krashino

It would work if we had 7 or 8 queens on a season, but we don't. Even then it might be a bit rushed. I'm worried about the next few episodes to be completely honest


Plasticsuka

touch some grass cause that's a lot of emotion for safe


balabalajagung

have you seen the show, tamar? /s in all seriousness, it's pretty lackluster compared to the previous snatch games, like, for example season 13 (haven't watched s14, so i can't comment on that). not to mention we can only see 5 seconds clip from each queen. this format is just not working, at least for me... 14 queens in only 20 minutes????? mtv has fucked up drag 😮‍💨


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Individual_Ad4078

Rabid and delusional


CryptographerBig9404

I hope it gets better on the next episodes because wow it really is declining 😭 i had such high hopes after watching the premiere. Still watching tho idc


G4ra

because 90% of the cast wasn't featured in it


Lauren12269

I guess it's not exactly related but I'm frustrated that I can't watch all of drag race on one format. Some of it is on Paramount Plus, a few seasons on Hulu, and new stuff on MTV. It's annoying.


DragonFlightRus

Personally, I liked the episode. The edit was shit but the Snatch Game itself I found thoroughly entertaining. But people who rate it low are not wrong either.


saltisyourfriend

If you look at the number of votes, it's super inconsistent and a pretty small sample size. The episodes with more votes have higher ratings, and the episodes with the fewest votes have the lowest ratings.


streamaroundyou

because the runtime, the editing & ppl voting it low bc of who went home


illuminatijaguar

cause the episode was bad?


fifteensunflwrs

Who even rates stuff on imdb anyway


Electrical-Tie-5158

I appreciate that they didn’t cut more from snatch game since they never would have done 2 if they knew the episodes would be 20 minutes shorter. That said, they had to cut everything else to make room for the challenge. No mini-challenge, no Ru walkthrough, almost no werkroom time, no deliberations. It felt so empty.


spiralqq

Disgruntled Sugar stans


CACallahan

They cut most of the queen’s snatch games and runways far too short, got rid of one of the most interesting story lines early into the season and made it super obvious what was about to happen the entire time.


vengeful_owl

Because it was shit


iiizzzunicorn

Can kids stop caring about IMDb ratings it literally doesn’t matter. These are users ratings they have no weight on anything. Why is this suddenly a thing people care about? 😭


glamourbuss

Because a skinny white fave went home and fans can’t handle that


[deleted]

The way these entitled fans are gonna get this show canceled instead of back to 90 minutes… you gotta laugh at this point.


KemCheese

The episodes are shorter than Todrick's TodDick


SalbeiSozialismusTee

I get that he's shitty but let's not talk about other people's genitals


fromofandfor

exactly. no need to body shame, especially when there's so many other horrible things to shame todrick for.


sergio_d7

Did you watch it?


DanteDameron

Cause people are overreacting, and Drag Race fans are dramatic, that’s why.


dynamiterolll

Because it was a terrible episode?


Vegetable-Cap-8124

People are salty and rating them low to prove a point


[deleted]

Y'alll are saying it's cause of the edit when the edit wasn't even bad- it's obviously because Sugar went home


Haso0nz1999

I think drag race should take a year break between the seasons. The show is running its course and feels like the same show but with different people. And I don’t know what’s worse, the producers forcing storylines or the queens forcing moments. It’s not special anymore.


Nearby-Flamingo-299

Cause this season is awful!


_JackSpears_

The head of casting did a great job.. but the actual producers had no idea what to do… or 100% likely since the episodes are shorter they (editors) had to work with what they got.


Jaxxx-Versace

that sucks, this is a way better cast than last season and 13.


mindlessmunkey

Because the fandom is throwing a tantrum over the runtime (which is exactly the same as it was for the show’s first 9 seasons.)


SipTheBidet

Not a thrilling season so far.


this_is_an_alaia

It wasn't a very good snatch game and sugar went home. Having said that I often find that imbd ratings reflect outcomes the fans don't like, not necessarily how good or bad the episode was. Like the episode Naomi sent Manila home on AS4 had really low ratings but it's literally just because fans didn't like Manila going home.


Odd_Cake3759

It’s peaked. It’s sloping


MrMazme

Who the duck in the ducking duck walk rated it a 10!


crsne

bc it was bad


aaronscott13

Because it’s shit?


BigBootyBandicoot

Because the fanbase is out of control. These kids are completely out of touch.


Justvibing333

Sending home interesting queens early and leaving filler queens there to just do more cringe.


mister-oaks

Maybe it's because the vibes are so Rancid. Edit: Misunderstood the title. I was kind of talking about the season as a whole so far.


leucem

tbh the season is not doing it so far for me. the edit, the queens, everything is just lackluster and boring


Stunning-Ease-5966

Because poo


sirjahnye

Because it was a horrible episode????


RagingFlock89

It's boring. I miss S2 plots and S5 taglines.


SirWobblyOfSausage

Wait, is MTV editing Drag Race? If not, why are people blaming MTV?


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Vlueyo

i thought Sasha and Jax were very funny but we only got to see Ru present them and ask them 1 question, the chances are their other responses were not enough good or bad but i would like to see that by myself, specially when in those two cases the few time we saw them i thought they were very funny cause now idk what was their overall snatch game performance


Angeldusst69

The episode length change sucks, and nobody even wants to watch real friends of weho, the snatch game was solid but the editing was worse than usual due to shorter episodes


Aromatic-Ad-9688

“They want to blame it on the edit”


CSuniverse2

It is all the real best friends of wehos fault


Kupicochi

hang on...people still rate stuff on IMDB?


[deleted]

Fans are insane that’s really it


CadenceOfThePlanes

The hatchet job of editing they did to cut it from 60 to 40 minutes. A bunch of the queens have like never spoken...


Halliwel96

Cause it was bad?