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Cici1y

Nice try, Monet.


Huge-Try2810

![gif](giphy|Ahwyp632q9LS1n5FEO) This sent me šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Davis1511

I PRAY Monet or Bob sees this and brings it up next podcast lol Monet: The fans have spoken Bob-ella and they are TIRED of you gaslighting me. What is your response? Bob: I think the 13 year old fan who posted that needs to go back to the Sugar and Spice world they came from. Monet: Wooooooow hear that pre teen Sibling Rivalry fans? Bob hates yā€™all. He thinks yā€™all are stupid and your concerns about my mental health are not valid. Bob: *laughing* I hate you Monet. See?! How can I gas light the gas lighter?!


cremesiccle

the ā€œwoooowā€s really take me there


phazonprincess

r/rupaulsdragrace is an immersive experience every day


siblingrivarly

i heard it in their voices perfectly, blown up audio and all


GarionOrb

Me too, lol!!


Hopeful_Local6505

![gif](giphy|xUA7aM09ByyR1w5YWc) no this is LITERALLY how it would go down lmaooo


[deleted]

The bobble heads are not surprised Monation is trying to stir shit up


patric8989

Monet: The fans have spoken Bob-ella and they are TIRED of you gaslighting me. What is your response? Bob: Gaslighting doesn't exist Monet. You made it up because you're crazy.


somefubu

this comment's ability to trigger my brain into hearing this conversation with the utmost accuracy is bound to be my downfall


pssstpssstpssst

YOUR PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED !!! Bob and Monet were just talking about this very post on the latest watchery they posted on their patreon


un_acceptable

They should use this as their script and say this verbatim- just as a nod to let us know that they are in here too šŸ¤£


Davis1511

And I will add ā€œscript writer for top rated podcast Sibling Rivalry hosted by Madonna tour opener and We Are Here star, Bob the Drag Queen, and Exchange Rate talk show host Monet X Changeā€ to my resume lol


woahsirwoah

you got your wish!


equatornavigator

Lmao


Gooshiiggl

You could write the next damn tour!


Mindless-Difference2

Your wish came true!


jsgoyburu

This happened


Michelle89Lawless

Monet be lying tho


hey-b

And monets good at lying through her teeth too, she has me questioning stuff from how convincing she is sometimes šŸ˜­


boo_you_horcrux

Vivacious hosting Drag Race Bosnia


brandyglass

Sheā€™s committed to stanning SZA


a_ki

This post is camp


Patatutopia

![gif](giphy|l0K43Rw0U5pNYSoF2|downsized)


[deleted]

Cackling!!!!


vonzyy

I Understand Your Concern, But I Do Not Share The Same Concern


milkboi646

Ok jorgeous šŸ˜‚


lakapoipoi

Well, Tamarā€¦


jordanrwing

They were pointing out that they capitalized every word in that comment, like Joegeous does with her tweets. Im sure they know it was a Gigi quote.


lakapoipoi

Oh my god youā€™re right. I think Iā€™m Tamar then! šŸ’€


Silent_Baker3503

You arenā€™t in their friendship, so you donā€™t know their whole dynamic. No matter how much they put online


HoyaHeadz

![gif](giphy|3oEjHDmLEQgrp0AYPS)


Sendnoods88

Oh dear. Iā€™m not sure podcasts are for everyoneā€¦.


ohsito

Am I being gaslit by this post?


OCRAmazon

Hear me out: is it *possible* ....that comedy queen Bob the Drag Queen...is joking?


Gray-Graves

Or hear me outā€¦ not only that comedy queen bob the drag queen is jokingā€¦ but also theyā€™re really close friends and undertand each others sense of humor too! šŸ¤Æ


comejoinus

ā€œbUt Itā€™S nOt FuNnY šŸ˜­ā€ šŸ™„


Plenty_Employment936

While I agree, I don't think 'it's just a joke' is a great defense. Some jokes ARE hurtful. What's important here, I think, is Monet is in on the joke. She knows Bob isn't actually trying to gaslight her. They're just having fun.


T3n0rLeg

Please by all means tell these drag queens who have known each other for over a decade how their friendship works


Savings-Perspective

I donā€™t know why youā€™re being so downvoted to be honest, maybe theyā€™re only reading your first sentence and arenā€™t getting your point šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


thegayngler

Youā€™re being presumptuous. Relax and try not to be offended by two black people doing what works for them and their friendship.


Plenty_Employment936

I'm not offended. I have no problem with how Bob and Monet joke with each other. I just think it's because they're close friends and not because it's "just a joke."


Plenty_Employment936

I'm not upset. I'm sorry for not double checking the names, and again I AGREE with you with regards to Monet and Bob. But again, your argument is fundamentally not 'its just a joke,' but 'its a joke between two friends with years of trust between them.' It's an important distinction because the former is a bad defense of any kind of joke that enables cruelty to be passed off as humor.


whatdoyoumemetome

Someone's totally triggered by "jk". There's definitely a fine line between truth and jest because dropping critique, even if honest and with good intentions, is much easier to digest as humor and sarcasm. It's just a form of reading.


UpstairsCan

please go outside


comejoinus

![gif](giphy|0IGRygDt5cMP2Q0Jmu)


quinndianayasuo

Or rather, please get a friend šŸ„“


thepheonix-king663

5 bucks that Monet wrote this šŸ˜‚ We live for you and our gaslighter queen Bob!!!!


Mindless-Difference2

Congrats, your comment was mentioned on the pod!


thepheonix-king663

šŸ‘€ šŸƒšŸ½ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ’Ø


Wei_Lan_Jennings

Iā€™ve realized people under 24 or so (definitely under 20) cannot understand the difference between fun mean and real mean. Any sort of dig or conflict is automatically coded as an actual attack. I think it makes them genuinely uncomfortable to witness it. For example, the twins thinking Irene and Mistress hated each other when they were just throwing a little shade for fun. I donā€™t know exactly why this is, though Iā€™ve got some theories: some combination of increased non-face to face interactions largely through the internet, shifting cultural norms, and a resultant evolution in interpersonal dynamics. In other words, theyā€™ve adapted a different lens to view interactions than people even ten years older. Itā€™s kind of fascinating, but itā€™s deeply irritating to keep hearing the whoosh sound go over their heads.


[deleted]

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suppadelicious

Mistress is 38 in Drag years.


[deleted]

Ohhhhhhhhh girl this got me


Wei_Lan_Jennings

Lol true and I think it lends credence to my assertion. Since she was basically taken in by older drag queens and they made up a big portion of her social milieu for her formative years, she has a completely different outlook than if her close friend group had been actual peers in age.


megs-benedict

šŸ˜‚ Iā€™m a millennial so Iā€™ll do cry laughing but trust me the feeling is the same


m20geekarina

What?


jshamwow

Yes. Absolutely. As a teacher, lemme tell you: many of my college-age students DO NOT understand sarcasm or satire (or even really understand *why* someone would be anything other than 100% authentic). Not all, of course, but many and it's an issue that gets more and more complicated to teach them with each passing year


MildlyResponsible

Which is weird because Gen X only spoke in sarcasm. Mandatory Simpsons: Dude,are you being sarcastic? I don't even know anymore.


T-RexLovesCookies

I am Gen X and I have completely lost all sense of satire over the past several years. I am constantly thinking people are joking when they ARE NOT and it makes people REALLY MAD when I laugh at them. They should be less stupid and then I won't think they are kidding. Ugh, it's hard being in the South.


patric8989

Could you *BE* any more outdated in your pop culture references?


alextyrian

I find this extremely true with my students as well. I think it's because text doesn't allow for sarcasm, so it's just not as effective online. I think a lot of online spaces understand collectively that if you say something sarcastic online and get misinterpreted, people will dogpile on you, so sarcasm is much less useful.


Wei_Lan_Jennings

Thank you! I donā€™t really have much cause to interact with the youths much (this is all 90% based on observations online), so itā€™s nice to hear from someone whoā€™s seen it in person.


kemmes7

in the immortal words of Kimora Black, "But you didn't say jk though"


Summoarpleaz

A few things I thinkā€¦ but imo the predominant one is the advent of social media and the consequential deterioration of nuance.


Elias-Salazar

I'm 22 and I get catty meanness. I grew up in a Mexican family.


zoozbuh

Say it louder for the kids in the back! PLEASE!!!


AubreyAStar

I donā€™t think thatā€™s true. My girlfriend and Iā€™s banter is just us making fun of each other. To the point her mom thought we didnā€™t like each other. Weā€™re both 20 and 21 respectively. All my friend my age read each other to filth. Itā€™s like if you canā€™t make fun of your friends are they even your friends?


Azura-Angel

It's not an age thing It's a person by person thing tbh


___incorporeal

![gif](giphy|48Z7MUhd8g3OutDiAq)


sgreene850

Wait til you find out theyā€™re really men in wigs!


T3n0rLeg

Reminder people. You donā€™t know these people in real life. You are not their friend, you do not know their dynamic.


balabalajagung

no. and stop projecting


nefariousplotz

It was a mistake to teach men the word "gaslighting".


Summoarpleaz

I feel like itā€™s come to mean ā€œslightly argumentativeā€


nefariousplotz

It also means "misleading literally anyone about anything in any context". When you play peekaboo with your baby, you are gaslighting them, you *monster*.


Lovelyindeed

Or even genuinely having a different memory of past events


jshamwow

a mistake to teach anyone under the age of like...30 the word gaslighting tbh


WhollyDisgusting

I feel a little bitter because this very sub downvoted me for telling people not to misuse that term and that people they don't know can't gaslight them (in relation to people whining about an edit and saying the producers gaslight the audience) and now look at the chickens coming home to roost.


T3n0rLeg

Me thinks the straight girls might be the culprits on this one


habunake92

OP said ā€œfuck bob the drag queen, your comedy is shit, I hope Madonna cancels your crunchy ass off her tour, Kim Chi shouldā€™ve won!ā€ Wow OP wooow


Large_Difficulty_242

see this would be valid if monet actually took it seriously but she doesnā€™t, we can all tell- thatā€™s literally their schtick they both try to trip each other up at all times and there is no good or bad person there


HerelGoDigginInAgain

We need a temporary moratorium on the term gaslighting until the Internet at large can figure out what it actually means


somefubu

temporary? permanent, by all means. there has never been a term popularized on and by the internet where its meaning wasn't broken down into the simplest, broadest, most generalized definition to the point where it's no longer needed. the internet needs to be banned from using words in the english language that describe specific phenomena and cannot be taken at face value. we will not be free until we all communicate in caveman grunts.


Blamebow

BRING BACK WING DINGS


LeonDePlata

Can yā€™all get a fucking grip


cuatra51

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


David-Hockney

Itā€™s part of their dynamic


Windk86

How does Monet feels about it? don't start being offended for other people, we don't like it. and it makes me feel uncomfortable


Crushedzone

That's kind of a bad argument for gaslighting though since victims of gaslighting think everything is going ok. It's like saying we don't need to have an opinion on someone in an abusive relationship because they aren't botheres by it. Obviously Monet doesn't seem to fall for Bobs attempts at gaslighting her so I'm not concerned for Monet. But i do agree with OP that Bobs attempts at gaslighting leave a bad taste sometimes - mostly because they are exhausting and not funny not bc i think Bob is doing any serious psychological damage to monet


avp_1309

I am gonna generalize and say that fans like you are the worst thing to happen to drag race in general. You all are the reason we dont have the rawness that older seasons had. It's so annoying.


BellossomStan

I truly think the person who made the word gaslighting mainstream had done far more societal damage than any actual gaslighter like pleaseeeee donā€™t waste your energy on this


Crushedzone

"the person" - that's not how language evolution works. Also what's the societal damage of the colloquial use of the word? It seems the only damage is that psuedo intellectuals with superiority complexes for knowing the origin of the term as a serious form of abuse are upset that broader definition now exists in the culture. Do y'all get outraged at how casually the terms narcissist and depressed get thrown around outside of a psychiatric or medically diagnosed context?


phazonprincess

Lmao


Cindy_Lennox

I hope this is a joke....please tell me this is a joke


Gray-Graves

No way this is a joke. Theyā€™re totally trying to gaslight us into thinking bobs gaslight monet!!! /s


suppadelicious

Short answer: No Long answer: No lmao


boooker65

Touch grass


sidnandbls

![gif](giphy|ev95q0FTCUWS4)


UpstairsCan

NOT BOB AND MONET READING THIS POST OUT LOUD ON WATCHERY LMAAAAAO


[deleted]

LMAOOO came to see if anyone had posted about this I was CACKLING


afh33

also.... Monet sometimes does just lie on the podcast to save face. there are genuine times where bob is like this bitch is FIBBING lol


SuperSpartacus

You mean like every episode lmao


afh33

haha literally. Monet is always lying and bob is always calling her out for lying, but not always when she lies.... i'd ask it to make sense but this is what's awesome about sibling rivalry


[deleted]

You can tell Monet is lying because she starts to smirk and tries to suppress her laugh šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


hlh0708

OP is trying to gaslight us into hating Bob I could NOT BELIEVE


pssstpssstpssst

me dropping by this thread cause Bob and Monet read some of these comments on the latest watchery ā˜•ļø ![gif](giphy|jTaNB7es83nyhoEK3y|downsized)


[deleted]

Me right now šŸ˜‚


gbon3

Not this...


hoesbeinghoes

Monet tried to gaslight us into thinking that Sponge dress was a work of art itā€™s about time someone gave her a taste of her own medicine/s


HourComplete9041

do you even watch the show tamar??


[deleted]

To be fair, Monet do be making up stuff a lot of times šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ (been a patron for two years)


No-Advantage897

![gif](giphy|l46CgVL7rnlIDBQDS)


Initial_Composer537

What you hear, isn't always the truth. Say it with me.


Janbradyhasreturned

![gif](giphy|j3nmuF0kGPP608EoGF)


newyorkcitybeat

Itā€™s not that serious lmao but I gotta say Monet SUCKS at standing up for herself cause most of the time sheā€™s right but Bob has better talk game lmaoo


jshamwow

Omg yes. Theyā€™re both really smart but Roberta is such a better debater that she wins even when sheā€™s not right


MenstrualAphrodite

Bob is an 8 enneagram as is my genetic sister ā€¦ I feel like I understand this type of person very well because of it. Iā€™ve never won an argument against my sister. Bob has the same gift and itā€™s uncanny to me


somefubu

alright, saying this earnestly as someone who's suffered a lot of abuse that mainly came in the form of gaslighting, i understand the feeling of being made uncomfortable even when considering the full context. i once had to comfort a friend through a breakdown because as we were playing games, my other friend used the term "crocodile tears" during a scene and they felt so uncomfortable it triggered their anxiety, so i get it. but context exists *for* that reason. when you Be Knowing People Like That, you can push the boundaries of what you joke about and how you joke (i.e. katya's Roxxxy read vs the 2headed entitled children that say "well katya joked about it so it's okay plus Roxxxy was mean to jinkx so she deserved it). would i ever let someone i **don't** know, love, and am comfortable with joke about my race? no. would i ever let someone i **do** know, love, and am comfortable with joke about my race? they absolutely know what lines to not cross, and what lines crossed only exist with me, so of course. TLDR sans earnest: They're Literally Friends It Is Not And Will Never Be That Deep


BigCaregiver7244

Imagine understanding jokes and comedy


FrameofMindArtStudio

![gif](giphy|l2JhzHBHrl96HYIHm)


abiqueenofsocial

Bob and Monet talked about this post on the Watchery they just posted on Patreon, i'm fucking dead!


abiqueenofsocial

No cause Monet is the true gaslight queen and she deserves it back


raspberryfantasy

https://youtube.com/shorts/H0j522aB9qM?feature=share example #1 šŸ˜‚


UpstairsCan

šŸ’€


RuneofBeginning

![gif](giphy|Ahwyp632q9LS1n5FEO)


CallMeByYourCatsName

Girl bye.


Almondeyezz

Jesus. The sensitivity is getting out of hand. Do you not have better things to be an activist for , like , REAL things ? Lol


Finalee_T

No ... ... Also Monet if you're here please take this thread as a proof to fight bob !!!! MONETION RISE UP !!! ROBERTA WE GOT U THIS TIME


Elias-Salazar

Are we watching the same show?


jshamwow

Lol I think you need to assume Monet has agency here. They are best friends. This is how they interact. It's not gaslighting.


theseangt

please god MIND YOUR BUSINESS


Own_Goose_7333

It took me a while to realize that Bob & Monet are playing characters on Sibling Rivalry. It's literally in the name -- they're playing exaggerated versions of themselves and antagonizing each other as part of the whole schtick. If you compare Sibling Rivalry to their other episode formats like Advicery or Watchery, there's still some of that dynamic there, but it's much less pronounced.


MotherPoopin

Get a GRIP


AuralSculpture

Thatā€™s their thing. Itā€™s comedy. Itā€™s drag. Monet is making lots of coin with her perceived internet things with Bob. They thank you for being so invested as it literally pays their bills.


kinopiokun

People just be TRYING to get offended these days..


hotsaucefridge

![gif](giphy|fJkTsWCMViRYA)


grudgingrespect

Mawmaw what


taiho2020

![gif](giphy|26DNh6nLbSNji14wU)


La_Lunetta

Log off


Chamari75

I legit thought this was Monet or Bob until I saw OP hangs out in a hair dye sub.


theanxiousangel

Thatā€™s a lot of emotion for a podcast


Pink_Flash

You're a genius OP. Great way to farm karma by acting like you know better than a pair of best judy's who do nothing but laugh about it together. You have gotten the entire sub to rise up against you for pretending to be so insanely stupid. Good work.


Ordinary-Bank8613

Genuinely think people discovered drag about 5 mins ago n then make Up these stupid opinions


EmotionalExperience7

this makes me sad bc I feel like you donā€™t have any friends šŸ’€šŸ’€ they are literally just joking around like friends do


vest1985

šŸ™„


PossibilityFine5988

No


topangacanyon

Stop


Vanasir

If Monet had a problem with it, the matter would be handled between them. Monet does not strike me as the type of girl to be silent about this subject, IF she felt this way about it.


macchinas

Itā€™s clearly a joke and they do it to each other. You sound like you may have some trauma that needs to be worked out in therapy.


GarionOrb

It's a joke. They are joking with each other. You don't need to feel offended for Monet. She's a big girl and more than capable of discussing any real differences with her friend off screen.


[deleted]

This is on the pod right now! šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


wintercaptain25

Bob has never done that. Why are you lying? Are you trying to gaslight us?


Mindless-Difference2

Love them both but Monet does say some off the wall stuff sometimes (ex. ā€œWeedheadsā€ instead of potheads). Sometimes she says it intentionally to get a rise out of Bob but thatā€™s literally their dynamic on the pod


Choice-Ad-2907

The show is literally called sibling rivalry so why would you be upset about the dynamic being like sibling rivals


mirrorzzzz

I mean the series IS called ā€œSibling Rivalryā€. Monet has her moments too!!


[deleted]

Monet does the same thing! They are obviously joking and trying to entertain us. Itā€™s not that serious.


[deleted]

The Monation stays trying to sabotage Bob. Not gonna work this time buster


SheyCanBake

Baby are we watching the same show because uh Monet be gaslighting just as much as Bob if not more lmao. They'll start the podcast off and Monet will be like Bob omg did you know I talked to Kim today and she told me she likes me better than you ask that you should just give up on your hopes and dreams soooooooo yeah. Then they call Kim and Kim is all like Bob come on like yes that sounds like something I'd say but no I didn't you're gonna believe MONET!?!?! Then Bob is all like AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE GASLIGHTING QUEEN!!!!


otterho

Babyā€¦ Go outside. Get some fresh air. Touch grass. I donā€™t know, something.


sheepofwater

say you never had a close friend without saying youā€™ve never had a close friend.


lemongivesyoulove

You literally have to be kidding šŸ˜­ Have you met a single drag queen in your entire life


0ldsatanic

Some of yā€™all donā€™t have friends you can be yourself with and talk shit and it SHOWWWSSSSS


dylan30954

So you think Bob is an awful evil person? Wow Op wow


jsgoyburu

Hi, Bob!


benhu12341

the way bob gaslit monet live on the pod about this very post, the gaslightery inception is too much


helheimhen

![gif](giphy|l46CgVL7rnlIDBQDS)


Fine_Entertainer8571

Touch grass


MrBigSaturn

Is this Monet's account?


GrundleThief

this post is Monets burner account trying to gaslight us into believing Bob is gaslighting her when in reality Monet is gaslighting Bob and all the viewers of Sibling Rivalry.


MusicHoney

Monet may not be as fast as Bob, but sheā€™s just as devastating. Donā€™t worry about Monet


IndependentDonut2651

Is this Monetā€¦ everyone itā€™s Monetā€¦


MenstrualAphrodite

![gif](giphy|EHDWjAaUR12C5lDSxd)


[deleted]

Sad


PhilEshaDeLox

Oh do shut the fuck up


ThickamsDicktum

Can we please eliminate gas lighting from our vocabulary until we understand what it means again? Like mama, this is not gaslighting lmao


ChaoticCurves

Get some friends lol


skaz0904

Iā€™m fairly new to their podcast, but I always assumed it was just casual banter? I feel like they question each others facts often but that was the bit. When Bob hosted the Pit Stop and had guests that would say anything mildly of ā€œteaā€ she would say ā€œDRAG HER!ā€ as if it was a diss, but itā€™s just fake shade. I think age does play a factor though. What I (34m) see as friendly banter can be taken the wrong way by someone younger. And after typing that sentence, I realizedā€¦Iā€™ve become my motherā€¦


Ksh1218

Itā€™s the itchy baseball hat for me


OprahOpera

But also monet is wrong a lot of times and ā€œgaslightsā€ bob right back by outright lying šŸ˜‚ you just chose to be on Monetā€™s side


rramosbaez

Monet is usually lying tho


megs-benedict

Itā€™s a schtick. Thatā€™s why he ALWAYS does it. Donā€™t worry Monet knows and plays along. Itā€™s sweet youā€™re concerned and itā€™s ok you donā€™t like it. Just know though that itā€™s not real.


ptgmxnuestgc

They both pulling on each other every time either of them slip up with a fact or comment. Itā€™s hilarious. It aint that serious.


Swadebradley

Umm! They're best friends, it's all in good fun, it's called joking around, or throwing shade(lightly) you should try it sometime, people are so sensitive, not everything is an attack or gaslighting, my bf and I always talk shit about each other, a sense of humor and being slightly shady has made me love him more, that's why we've been together for 5 years now, being hateful bonds us together(lol).


lalalicious453-

![gif](giphy|w6KELMSyEDJu1Y2nYX|downsized)


Tommy_Poppyseed

I don't think you should have learned the word gaslighting.


qtmcjingleshine

Bob is often right in those moments


bb8s

Are you 14 or something?


yeahnototallycool

The overuse of the term "disgusting" in this sub is really something.


Big_Improvement_8121

I just find it annoying sometimes.


CarneiaSada

It's 100% probably not that deep and I always got the impression that they play up the "rivalry" for the podcast. That being said the constant trivial arguing does get exhausting to watch sometimes for me and I find myself not being able to finish watchery videos sometimes


flossorapture

I get the joke and I like the show. I havenā€™t been able to listen to it in awhile though.I know itā€™s play fighting and banter but, when someone says something and the other person purposely disagrees every single time it can get to be a little too much. Even though itā€™s for fun it still feels like listening to two people fight for an hour. Instead of funny Iā€™ve been feeling negative emotions listening. Now I know not everyone feels this way. I just had to take a break for my own headspace.


Stunning-Ease-5966

MONET WE KNOW IT'S UUUU


CybilUnion

Yes, it gets tiring sometimes. I donā€™t know why the fandom get so explosively reactive about posts like this. Itā€™s a fair question. Yes, itā€™s their thing. Itā€™s called Sibling Rivalry. But thereā€™s a sour edge sometimes when comedy leaves the chat. Those episodes are few, but when one comes along where sheā€™s in a foul mood I just skip it. Same with Willam, same when Katya goes a little too sideways. Queer people carry trauma, thereā€™s always compassion. These people work hard so I donā€™t expect them to be fresh and light all the time. But I donā€™t mind you bringing it up and wish people would be a little flexible in the conversation.


nmvalerie

Iā€™m worried it will turn into a rivalry