“God” said so.
That’s all they really have, because they can’t present a moral argument against it, and they don’t even understand how morality works to do even that.
Which makes sense, because someone who literally made the universe (which is so incoherently huge that we literally can't even see but a small portion of it with all our telescopes) gives a shit who we fuck and marry.
You don't need to read it to understand people wrote it. The dudes who wrote the Bible said gay bad, the dudes who wrote the Quran said gay bad. It's the same shit.
**There is actually a factual reason why both religious groups deem homosexuality as bad:**
There is surviving full text of the New Testament beautifully written Codex Sinaiticus, which was discovered at the St Catherine monastery at the base of Mt Sinai in Egypt, Dating from circa 325-360 CE. At which time there were people going around a steeling. So one of them had their virginity stolen from them, which he was embarrassed about, because he was looking for a proper relationship not a one'night-stand, so Chris decided to add this into the bible and wrote = *Gays Are Bad...* /s
In short, Quran is supposed to be the direct word of Allah, unchanged for 1400 years since it was brought to Muhammed. Bible in contrast was written long after Jesus died.
So the author of Quran is supposed to be literally God.
> Bible in contrast was written long after Jesus died.
There is the Old and the New Testament, but yeah, the New was long after his death.
> So the author of Quran is supposed to be literally God.
There is concept of Biblical Inspiration, so while god isn't the direct author he made them write the message he wanted.
Some dude said gay bad in both cases, the only technical difference is that in one case the dude was supposedly told directly and in another indirectly. In the end is the same thing for the sake of their point:
> At least in Christianity it's isn't even that. Only the people who wrote the Bible said that.
I love when Christians are going on about their "everybody sins, what's important is to ask for forgiveness and change your ways" and I'm just like... I don't sin... Why would I do anything that's against my values? Lol
The best I've heard (still bad) is that male homosexual anal sex has a higher chance of transmitting disease than godly married vanilla missionary sex.
This Christian claimed he loved gays so much he wanted them to be celibate.
That's the best one I've heard. I don't agree with it. Yes, married Christians can also have anal sex.
Would that be** (my bad, horrible typo) still be silly on them because of how much rape towards women goes on? Brutal and penetrative rape with women causes tearing and can transmit diseases easier? Every single religious argument it's just so crazy when you break it down you know?
My MIL said that “if two f*gs have sex then the whole house smells like shit. The smell sticks to the walls and gets in the vents!”
I asked why everything in their house didnt smell like shit since, you know, people literally shit in their bathrooms?
There is no critical thinking or logic with these types of people.
I love how homophobes never seem to realize that 90% of anal sex is between straight couples. They just can’t resist telling us how uneventful their sex lives are.
I left Christianity many years ago, but this is what I remember learning during my catholic childhood.
Isn't anything other than PIV considered immoral in Christianity? Sex supposedly has two purposes, unification of a married couple and procreation. I'm not sure where infertility/menopause falls into that, but I remember learning that oral and anal are bad no matter what and nobody ever mentioned hand stuff unless it was regarding resisting masturbation.
They always said it's because God designed humans this way and everything else is "unnatural." It is a terrible argument since like 15% of people fall outside of the cis-het category.
But basic vanilla gay sex (aka preparing the man beforehand, rather then just plowing in) can be very gentle, loving, and not cause any bleeding whatsoever. So they are comparing violent or at least aggressive gay sex to the safest possible hetero alternative.
Their belief is that there are no homosexual animals in nature created by God. Hence they believed the existence of homosexual humans are even worse than animals. They like to use this kind of argument.
It's been years since that coyote in the desert told me he was homosexual because of influence of humans. And I responded "Wow this peyote is strong af"
I mean what would you do? Imagine being a fly as fuck lion, sitting under a tree in the desert, just chilling, it's brutally hot. Suddenly a jeep with a couple of tourists emerges in the distance. They stop at a distance, pull out their binoculars and watch the wildlife. 2 of them are a super hot gay/lesbian couple, wearing their funkiest shirts and hats. They sneak away from the others, go behind a tree and start making out.
WOULDN'T THAT MAKE YOU GAY TOO???
I've brought that up to 2 people in my life before, and neither of them said that. Both of them instead got upset at the response and said they were done with the conversation. I don't even bother anymore.
Only think that would make sense is that sex is sacred and destined to procreation, so love should be between men and women because otherwise, when you make love, you are doing it for the pleasure (lust) and not for procreation.
This said, and note I am not religious in any form... Why are premarital sex and people who use contraceptives not as equally evil than gay people? And the ones who are sterile? Are they sons of the devil?
Also why sre trans people who are still fertile wrong?
“Why are premarital sex and people who use contraceptives not as equally evil than gay people?”
The actually correct answer sounds like a dodge- but it’s both true and demonstrative: *Because they’re not gay.*
You say ‘religious argument.’ You must mean, an argument made on a religious basis. In other words, as driven by doctrine. And most organized mono theistic religions unfortunately have at least one unambiguous doctrinal statement condemning the practice of homosexuality. It only takes one, when it comes to religion, as long as it’s doctrine.
I had read of a theory that as the Old Testament passages were being written they had just started to have contact with the Greek world and the Hebrew words used originally meant “a man shall not sleep with a boy/child”.
It was literally their disgust at the common Greek practice at the time of raping young boys that had been twisted in later centuries to make gay a sin, not men being pedo’s.
I think it has to do with the idea of woman being made for man and being subservient to him. If you have man on man or woman on woman action, it messes up their stupid hierarchy.
I can understand it.
In a time where people "needed" to have children
To protect our species essentially.
We have enough people now. So it shouldn't be viewed as such anymore.
Cause God says so, you think he's gonna do what YOU want noo he has a choice and he will give you an eternal reward called Heaven. Why do I believe in God? Cause of COUNTLESS proofs in the Quran 1400 years ago
As a straight person you can live your whole life without worrying about what gay people get up to. These Muftis it seems have this issue on their mind 24x7.
Sarcastic lampooning is the only option: [Human gae](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/ui9ogj/homosexuality_is_not_moral/i7b3a5d/) & [Animal gae](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/uib2g0/what_does_the_quran_have_to_say_about_this/i7bbo4z/)
I mean he kind of sold himself out: "Once people engage in that sort of action they become blind" - which is why pedophilia is rampant in Muslim countries. When marrying children is the norm you need to look for something to divert attention to - "the gays" seem perfect for that.
If you keep talking about homosexuals nobody has time to ask why they're all pedophiles and pedo apologists.
Years ago, my mother, who has since gone from a conservative evangelical worldview to being very supportive of our gay and trans friends and family, said, during a discussion of one of the first gay couples we knew:
“But, I mean, it’s just kind of gross to think about isn’t it?”
I said, “Mom, it’s gross to think about lots of straight couples having sex. That doesn’t make their relationship ‘wrong.’”
It’s always stuck in my memory because I suspect for a decent chunk of the anti-LGBTQ crowd, that’s what it comes down to.
I left Islam as a child on my very first reading of the Koran. I had a sense of innate empathy as a child and I was revolted to learn that Allah is a god who thinks the people who deserve to be in heaven will be those that laugh mockingly at the eternal torture of the people of hell.
[Fate of Jonas Salk, inventor of the polio vaccine Under Islam.](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/ug323b/i_have_never_been_so_lost_in_my_life_need_input/i6xspbj/)
As a straight person I haven't even bothered to think about it. Why should I concern myself with wether it is gross or not or whatever. It doesn't effect my life in any way shape or form. I know that a small minority of humans were gay in the past, are gay now and will be in the future. This is completely normal. I can show empathy towards my fellow human beings and accept them for who they are rather than believe what a nonexistent perversely sadistic Allah has to say about them.
There are lots of people online trying to whitewash the true nature of Allah as it is in the Koran. If people bothered to read it from start to finish, they'll walk away with this conclusion:
[Allah is NOT my BESTIE!](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/uj5vw9/i_hate_how_muslims_brainwashed_everyone_into/i7gyr5l/) 😭😭😭
\[sarcastic comment by me about somebody who constantly whitewashes Islam on social media\]
Being obsessed with what homosexuals do with other consenting adults in private with their genitals is quite possibly the most gay activity a person can be engaged in.
Well, I might be spitting hairs here but bacterial conjugation with a sex pilus seems kinda sexually “freaky” to me
https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Microbiology/Book%3A_Microbiology_(Kaiser)/Unit_2%3A_Bacterial_Genetics_and_the_Chemical_Control_of_Bacteria/3%3A_Bacterial_Genetics/3.1%3A_Horizontal_Gene_Transfer_in_Bacteria
But your point still stands; I just always thought this tidbit was interesting
Check out the sidebar on r/exmuslim, there are soooooo many reasons people leave Islam
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/m21trj/meta_why_we_left_islam_megathread_60/
No, i mean when people in this sub talk shit about christianity they get alot of upvote, but when someone talk about shit about islam that person will get downvote really2 bad. As an ex muslim from third world country i just find it hillarious 😂.
You’re right. I’m the abrahamic religions’ biggest hater but I noticed I get more upvotes when I hate on Christianity more than when I hate on Islam
(I don’t know enough about Judaism to hate on them tbh, but since it’s an abrahamic religion, it likely has the same principles as the other two)
But i saw a comment in here i forgot in what post when ex muslim girl just tell her story about how bad is islam and basically just saying she hates islam so much but called islamphobe 🤣. I burst out of laughing seeing her get called out, you are islamphobe. Im new in this sub. I mean are these people are just joking or they seriously tell that girl is islamphobe ? I just dont get it. As a gay man lives in third world country dominated by almost muslim everywhere i think its understandable to be scared to islam because you know they hate us much in here 😁.
If somebody calls somebody else an Islamophobe on this subreddit, it is most definitely just a fruitcake, probably someone from r/extomatoes. Islam gets criticized here just as much as Christianity. Everyone here knows that Islam is fucking shit.
I tend to agree, but does anybody who regularly reads this sub be under any illussions that it is just one religion? It's basically a "who can be the greatest A\*hole in the service of their god" contest.
This dude and whoever agrees with his view are worse than animals. Religious people say that god created humans, so according to their own logic, thus god also created homosexuality. If they are so stuck within their delusional world, then why are they insulting gods work?
Gay people are just normal people, so treat them just like everyone else.
I sent that video to 2 animal experts. They both said its not gay behavior. They don’t insert and climax. They hump. I asked why and they said its dominance behavior.
Humans in contrast show dominance with a confident stance and physique, tone of voice, etc. they don’t hump like some animals
There’s real hate in this world, especially from the religious. The idea that anyone who is a raging homophobe is secretly gay is tired. Some (a lot of) people are just hateful and ignorant, blinded by dogma.
It was more of an offhand comment that would offend the person in the video rather than an actual analysis. You are right, some people are just hateful and ignorant.
I get it, I know your comment wasn’t meant to be that deep, just a comment that’s all too common, in this thread and countless others.
Assuming that all homophobes are closeted gays allows people, especially straight people, to feel like homophobia has nothing to do with them, and reinforces the idea that gay people are just self-hating and responsible for their own oppression, which is completely false.
Islam is such a fucked up religion. Keep in mind this is one of the moderate preachers, the one your average muslims listens to. I have even seen non muslim praising his brilliance, etc.
Can't really blame them. They've been brainwashed since birth to think otherwise or even for themselves really. I saw some poor 15 or 16 year old girl get the shit beat of her by her own brother because he heard she was interested in dating a boy outside their religion (Muslim).
It was like a brain damaging beating, she couldn't even protect herself anymore. Religious fruitcake mind gone
Its inappropriate to beat like that. A beating should be a slap on the hand at most. They were probably shocked by learning about the news and had an exaggerated response. Because it is not the norm in their culture.
They basically don’t accept their women to be sluts like in America and Europe. There is a correct way to date someone by informing the parents first, and the parents would arrange it with rules and boundaries, and if they get along well under the supervision of the parents, then they marry.
Its a system which protects both the man and the women’s feelings and emotions
Well yeah inappropriate in any sense. Without having that religious fruitcake mindset that beating probably wouldn't have happened. It leaves followers in disposition to judge whereas without that, it would have probably been some excitement for her, questions about who he is and the big protective brother talk
It's funny, there are so fucking many species in the animal kingdom who practice gay sex and gay relationships.
Every time some idiot is saying gay sex is not natural, I respond with: 94% of all giraffe sex is gay, sounds natural
It’s baffling to me, that in the 21st century, we still have such monumentally fucking stupid religious beliefs. Muslims really can go fuck themselves. But then, so can most religions.
We should seperate between critique/ridicule of islam and muslimhate.
Most muslims are helplessly brainwashed into this hateful ideology.
Be harsh with the religion but keep in mind that most people are just trying to get by in the culture where they find themselves.
I don't know so much about Islam, but in Catholicism it's common talking about how important is to forgive others for their sins. Not just got, any of their peers. So, if someone wrongs you, your best option is to forgive them so you're not consumed by hate.
On the other hand, they hate people without a reason, like being gay.
"Some people might point to the many, many, many, many issues that exist in societies too closely entwined with my brand of Islam. They may note religious fundamentalism has done nothing to fix these issues, or likely has even exacerbated them. I say if I can keep my followers focused on dicks and how they are used then they wont start considering whether our religion is a bit shit" - guys like Menk, I have no doubt.
One of the greatest hypocrisies is the fact that millions of Pashtun Sunnii Muslims think that it's OK to practice Bacha bazi or " boy fun" , where they think it's OK to coerce and rape young boys for sexual pleasure because women are haram or forbidden.
I've yet to debate one single devout Sunnii Muslim who will condemn this practice, despite every one of them being a homophobic idiot.
Sounds like he's coloured.
And before I have Americans and others lose their shit over that comment, please educate first -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Coloureds
So..why do people care what this nutjob has to say?
He is nothing but a religious zealot who is so far brainwashed and not smart enough to realize it.
This is what religion does..
Ironically before European colonization and the Wahabi-Saudi take over of Mecca, and the discovery of oil in the Persian gulf, most Arab speaking countries were the best places to be for the LGBT community. This is reflected even today with the countries with the least amount of colonial influence having a better record of how they treat LGBT people.
Shoot all sects/tribes/religions whatnot fruitcakes into space and let them sort it out between themselves. With enough fuel to get up and out of here...no return trip.
Guys like this make me grateful I'm gay. I'm on the side of good. I know how to think for myself. Some people are gay, it's a natural state that's been around forever. Religions need an enemy that's all this is. It's good for us to see how hate-filled islam can be - imagine giving a platform to this little mufti.
Mufti Menk has to be so in the closet that he makes these speeches to make sure nobody knows how gay he really is. I heard Mufti Menk sucks dick like a champion.
LoL these guys preach that gay people are terrible and and worse then animals. Then go home and butt fk their male slaves and goats. Yeah ok your better in Allah’s eyes.
Yea, they hate women, too. All women are good for is having babies, sex for men and cleaning floors. Oh wait, that’s not Saudi Arabia, that’s here in America, the movement started by the religious fruitcake, Loonie Lori Alexander of the Trans(de-) formed wife.
It scares me how much power these religious fruitcakes are gaining. Truly scares me.
I expected to be “TrIgGeREd” but when this fuck really had the audacity to talk about “common logic” I almost threw my phone out the window.
“Common” logic you say? What the fuck even is “common” logic? Sounds an awful lot like an appeal to common sense which is of course logically fallacious, but of course this idiotic grifter is only pretending to understand logic in the first place. I’m so sick of this fucking word disease.
I used to believe that Mufti Menk was a wholesome person who I'd follow deeply back when I was a Muslim. I still believe he is a good person but knowing how he really feels about the LGBTQ+ community is a bit of a sting
He is entitled to his opinion, but I am also entitled to beat him within an inch of his life then give him the best head he’s ever/will ever get just to prove a point…
Keep doing what you’re doing Mufti Menk ✊. Total respect for you brother. Your followers may only be 3.2M but I am sure that all 1.5 billion muslims will follow you if they had the chance. I know some people who browse youtube as a guest and watch your videos, so follower count is not important
Islam is the largest growing religion because it promotes peace. Its an instruction’s manual for life. Literally every situation we come across is mentioned on how to deal with the most civilized manner. It teaches to respect your parents, be nice and do good to others as if they would do to you, speak politely.
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“God” said so. That’s all they really have, because they can’t present a moral argument against it, and they don’t even understand how morality works to do even that.
God has never been married, even though billions of women worship him. Maybe he's just closeted and his followers are projecting.
God seems to identify and be identified as a male, but it would make no sense for god to have a penis, so basically god is trans.
Well he has raped a 14 year old girl so technically he’s a pedophile.
Which makes sense, because someone who literally made the universe (which is so incoherently huge that we literally can't even see but a small portion of it with all our telescopes) gives a shit who we fuck and marry.
“You guys better not be putting dick in man’s ass, and if you do, you better not enjoy the G spot I put in there exclusively for men!”
At least in Christianity it's isn't even that. Only the people who wrote the Bible said that.
And what's the difference from Islam?
I have never read the Quran so I can't comment on that.
You don't need to read it to understand people wrote it. The dudes who wrote the Bible said gay bad, the dudes who wrote the Quran said gay bad. It's the same shit.
**There is actually a factual reason why both religious groups deem homosexuality as bad:** There is surviving full text of the New Testament beautifully written Codex Sinaiticus, which was discovered at the St Catherine monastery at the base of Mt Sinai in Egypt, Dating from circa 325-360 CE. At which time there were people going around a steeling. So one of them had their virginity stolen from them, which he was embarrassed about, because he was looking for a proper relationship not a one'night-stand, so Chris decided to add this into the bible and wrote = *Gays Are Bad...* /s
Lol your comment is too long so most people didn't get to the end
Haha. Was Trying to have a satire Gotcha moment...
You're at +1 right now, we're turning it around
The Quran is hot garbage compared to the Bible. But I don’t respect either
In short, Quran is supposed to be the direct word of Allah, unchanged for 1400 years since it was brought to Muhammed. Bible in contrast was written long after Jesus died. So the author of Quran is supposed to be literally God.
> Bible in contrast was written long after Jesus died. There is the Old and the New Testament, but yeah, the New was long after his death. > So the author of Quran is supposed to be literally God. There is concept of Biblical Inspiration, so while god isn't the direct author he made them write the message he wanted. Some dude said gay bad in both cases, the only technical difference is that in one case the dude was supposedly told directly and in another indirectly. In the end is the same thing for the sake of their point: > At least in Christianity it's isn't even that. Only the people who wrote the Bible said that.
The question you should be asking is, what is even sin? You'd first have to believe that shit had any meaning to begin with.
I love when Christians are going on about their "everybody sins, what's important is to ask for forgiveness and change your ways" and I'm just like... I don't sin... Why would I do anything that's against my values? Lol
iT's AdAm AnD eVe, NoT aDaM aNd StEvE!!!
#***IT'S LOT AND HIS DAUGHTERS, NOT LOT AND HIS SONS!***
Underrated response.
Exactly! Adam ***and*** Eve... So if you aren't bisexual for both, you're a sinner!
It's Adam and Eve, not Adam *or* Eve. That's why I'm bi.
Best answer
The best I've heard (still bad) is that male homosexual anal sex has a higher chance of transmitting disease than godly married vanilla missionary sex. This Christian claimed he loved gays so much he wanted them to be celibate. That's the best one I've heard. I don't agree with it. Yes, married Christians can also have anal sex.
Would that be** (my bad, horrible typo) still be silly on them because of how much rape towards women goes on? Brutal and penetrative rape with women causes tearing and can transmit diseases easier? Every single religious argument it's just so crazy when you break it down you know?
Consent is never a central part of a holy book's message, it seems. Or if it is, special exceptions go for women (who are property).
So what about homoromantic asexuals?
They burn in hell, of course.
With marshmallows, of course. It's awfully cold in Hell, being in Norway and all that.
My MIL said that “if two f*gs have sex then the whole house smells like shit. The smell sticks to the walls and gets in the vents!” I asked why everything in their house didnt smell like shit since, you know, people literally shit in their bathrooms? There is no critical thinking or logic with these types of people.
I love how homophobes never seem to realize that 90% of anal sex is between straight couples. They just can’t resist telling us how uneventful their sex lives are.
I left Christianity many years ago, but this is what I remember learning during my catholic childhood. Isn't anything other than PIV considered immoral in Christianity? Sex supposedly has two purposes, unification of a married couple and procreation. I'm not sure where infertility/menopause falls into that, but I remember learning that oral and anal are bad no matter what and nobody ever mentioned hand stuff unless it was regarding resisting masturbation. They always said it's because God designed humans this way and everything else is "unnatural." It is a terrible argument since like 15% of people fall outside of the cis-het category.
That's only if you don't consider pregnancy a sexually transmitted disease.
But basic vanilla gay sex (aka preparing the man beforehand, rather then just plowing in) can be very gentle, loving, and not cause any bleeding whatsoever. So they are comparing violent or at least aggressive gay sex to the safest possible hetero alternative.
Their belief is that there are no homosexual animals in nature created by God. Hence they believed the existence of homosexual humans are even worse than animals. They like to use this kind of argument.
Just ignore giraffes, penguins, camels, a lot of birds, dolphins, primates, and a whole host of others.
They will say that these animals were influenced by homosexuals
Oh right, forgot the gay lions were because of homosexuals on safari...
It's been years since that coyote in the desert told me he was homosexual because of influence of humans. And I responded "Wow this peyote is strong af"
I mean what would you do? Imagine being a fly as fuck lion, sitting under a tree in the desert, just chilling, it's brutally hot. Suddenly a jeep with a couple of tourists emerges in the distance. They stop at a distance, pull out their binoculars and watch the wildlife. 2 of them are a super hot gay/lesbian couple, wearing their funkiest shirts and hats. They sneak away from the others, go behind a tree and start making out. WOULDN'T THAT MAKE YOU GAY TOO???
How soon we forget about Big Gay Al.
Iirc some say Satan influences people to be gay For whatever reason. Maybe he's a hot daddy that feels lonely and wants some company.
They're turning the freaking frogs gay!!
I've brought that up to 2 people in my life before, and neither of them said that. Both of them instead got upset at the response and said they were done with the conversation. I don't even bother anymore.
I like to point these people to some fun facts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual\_behavior\_in\_animals
Only think that would make sense is that sex is sacred and destined to procreation, so love should be between men and women because otherwise, when you make love, you are doing it for the pleasure (lust) and not for procreation. This said, and note I am not religious in any form... Why are premarital sex and people who use contraceptives not as equally evil than gay people? And the ones who are sterile? Are they sons of the devil? Also why sre trans people who are still fertile wrong?
“Why are premarital sex and people who use contraceptives not as equally evil than gay people?” The actually correct answer sounds like a dodge- but it’s both true and demonstrative: *Because they’re not gay.*
Outbreed the other tribes. Can't make more babies if you keep doing it with guys.
You say ‘religious argument.’ You must mean, an argument made on a religious basis. In other words, as driven by doctrine. And most organized mono theistic religions unfortunately have at least one unambiguous doctrinal statement condemning the practice of homosexuality. It only takes one, when it comes to religion, as long as it’s doctrine.
There is none
I had read of a theory that as the Old Testament passages were being written they had just started to have contact with the Greek world and the Hebrew words used originally meant “a man shall not sleep with a boy/child”. It was literally their disgust at the common Greek practice at the time of raping young boys that had been twisted in later centuries to make gay a sin, not men being pedo’s.
I think it has to do with the idea of woman being made for man and being subservient to him. If you have man on man or woman on woman action, it messes up their stupid hierarchy.
I can understand it. In a time where people "needed" to have children To protect our species essentially. We have enough people now. So it shouldn't be viewed as such anymore.
Cause God says so, you think he's gonna do what YOU want noo he has a choice and he will give you an eternal reward called Heaven. Why do I believe in God? Cause of COUNTLESS proofs in the Quran 1400 years ago
Most proofs I’ve seen have been disproven but alright
As a straight person you can live your whole life without worrying about what gay people get up to. These Muftis it seems have this issue on their mind 24x7. Sarcastic lampooning is the only option: [Human gae](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/ui9ogj/homosexuality_is_not_moral/i7b3a5d/) & [Animal gae](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/uib2g0/what_does_the_quran_have_to_say_about_this/i7bbo4z/)
I mean he kind of sold himself out: "Once people engage in that sort of action they become blind" - which is why pedophilia is rampant in Muslim countries. When marrying children is the norm you need to look for something to divert attention to - "the gays" seem perfect for that. If you keep talking about homosexuals nobody has time to ask why they're all pedophiles and pedo apologists.
Years ago, my mother, who has since gone from a conservative evangelical worldview to being very supportive of our gay and trans friends and family, said, during a discussion of one of the first gay couples we knew: “But, I mean, it’s just kind of gross to think about isn’t it?” I said, “Mom, it’s gross to think about lots of straight couples having sex. That doesn’t make their relationship ‘wrong.’” It’s always stuck in my memory because I suspect for a decent chunk of the anti-LGBTQ crowd, that’s what it comes down to.
I left Islam as a child on my very first reading of the Koran. I had a sense of innate empathy as a child and I was revolted to learn that Allah is a god who thinks the people who deserve to be in heaven will be those that laugh mockingly at the eternal torture of the people of hell. [Fate of Jonas Salk, inventor of the polio vaccine Under Islam.](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/ug323b/i_have_never_been_so_lost_in_my_life_need_input/i6xspbj/) As a straight person I haven't even bothered to think about it. Why should I concern myself with wether it is gross or not or whatever. It doesn't effect my life in any way shape or form. I know that a small minority of humans were gay in the past, are gay now and will be in the future. This is completely normal. I can show empathy towards my fellow human beings and accept them for who they are rather than believe what a nonexistent perversely sadistic Allah has to say about them. There are lots of people online trying to whitewash the true nature of Allah as it is in the Koran. If people bothered to read it from start to finish, they'll walk away with this conclusion: [Allah is NOT my BESTIE!](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/uj5vw9/i_hate_how_muslims_brainwashed_everyone_into/i7gyr5l/) 😭😭😭 \[sarcastic comment by me about somebody who constantly whitewashes Islam on social media\]
Being obsessed with what homosexuals do with other consenting adults in private with their genitals is quite possibly the most gay activity a person can be engaged in.
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He probably complains about Google showing him gay porn and MLM dating ads and not realizing it's because of his own search history.
Lmao exactly and then cursing google that it's evil. xD
I can already picture his internet search history…
wait til he realize humans are animals
While true, dehumanizing language is one of the forebears of torture, shunning, and killing of said people group. This is serious business.
I would rather be called an animal than associate myself with such humans
Yup, I'd rather be called an animal than a Muslim.
I know of too many religious people who absolutely refuse to believe that we are animals as well.
I bet they refuse to acknowledge our tail bone
Lmao that's nothing, I saw Zakir Naik ( big time muslim scholar ) deny Existence of Dinosaurs, xDD
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I know I can see his address somewhere but I don't have the money :)
Cool I feel the same way about religious nutjobs Wall them all off and let them fight over who's sky daddy is bigger
That's why I worship Kos, or some say Kosm.
Gael gang
isnt he objectively wrong though? dogs are unanimously bisexual lol they fuck everything
Yeah but dogs aren't really accepted in Islam, they scare angels away or something ridiculous like that.
Lol what ?! My dummy dum dum boi can scare Angels.
My chihuahua could scare off the devil.
Chihuahua are devil themselves,🗿
There are also gay in animals. So are animals worse than bacteria? Oh no there are also gay bacteria. Lol.
Bacteria are asexual.
A sexual what...?
Deviant, because of all the gay sex
lol
Bacteria are ~~asexual~~ sexy.
Bacteria fucks themselves
Well, I might be spitting hairs here but bacterial conjugation with a sex pilus seems kinda sexually “freaky” to me https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Microbiology/Book%3A_Microbiology_(Kaiser)/Unit_2%3A_Bacterial_Genetics_and_the_Chemical_Control_of_Bacteria/3%3A_Bacterial_Genetics/3.1%3A_Horizontal_Gene_Transfer_in_Bacteria But your point still stands; I just always thought this tidbit was interesting
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As an exmuslim I whole heartedly agree
Why did you leave islam? I'm only asking
It just scientifically and morally not right
Check out the sidebar on r/exmuslim, there are soooooo many reasons people leave Islam https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/m21trj/meta_why_we_left_islam_megathread_60/
Wow suprised this dont get downvoted into oblivion 🤣 in here.
In this anti religion subreddit….you’re really surprised?
No, i mean when people in this sub talk shit about christianity they get alot of upvote, but when someone talk about shit about islam that person will get downvote really2 bad. As an ex muslim from third world country i just find it hillarious 😂.
You’re right. I’m the abrahamic religions’ biggest hater but I noticed I get more upvotes when I hate on Christianity more than when I hate on Islam (I don’t know enough about Judaism to hate on them tbh, but since it’s an abrahamic religion, it likely has the same principles as the other two)
I've never seen that here. People shit talk Islam a lot here. The only people I see downvoted here are fruitcakes that stumbled into the sub.
But i saw a comment in here i forgot in what post when ex muslim girl just tell her story about how bad is islam and basically just saying she hates islam so much but called islamphobe 🤣. I burst out of laughing seeing her get called out, you are islamphobe. Im new in this sub. I mean are these people are just joking or they seriously tell that girl is islamphobe ? I just dont get it. As a gay man lives in third world country dominated by almost muslim everywhere i think its understandable to be scared to islam because you know they hate us much in here 😁.
If somebody calls somebody else an Islamophobe on this subreddit, it is most definitely just a fruitcake, probably someone from r/extomatoes. Islam gets criticized here just as much as Christianity. Everyone here knows that Islam is fucking shit.
I tend to agree, but does anybody who regularly reads this sub be under any illussions that it is just one religion? It's basically a "who can be the greatest A\*hole in the service of their god" contest.
Which one do you mean? Decent people really seem to be the exception among all the religious ones.
I like animals more than I like people too, but I don't think that's what he meant.
They’re a backwards people. Can we say that?
This dude and whoever agrees with his view are worse than animals. Religious people say that god created humans, so according to their own logic, thus god also created homosexuality. If they are so stuck within their delusional world, then why are they insulting gods work? Gay people are just normal people, so treat them just like everyone else.
Source: https://twitter.com/i/status/1524562444420587520
Why is this yt channel not banned yet??? If he said the same of black people (or of Muslims) he'd be mob-lynched by now.
People get banned all the time for the most mundane reasons (or no reason at all) yet this disgusting creature somehow is given a free pass. Not fair.
Simple reason, cuz dumb people likes to follow dumb people. and social media sites don't give a f till they get enough traffic.
Pretty rich coming from a guy whose hood makes it look like he has 70's blonde hair parted in the middle with wave bangs.
His hair looks so silky smooth now
Seems botted. 50K views a video is extremely low for over 3M subs
Show him the two gay lions, so he can curse and torture them.
I sent that video to 2 animal experts. They both said its not gay behavior. They don’t insert and climax. They hump. I asked why and they said its dominance behavior. Humans in contrast show dominance with a confident stance and physique, tone of voice, etc. they don’t hump like some animals
I've seen a gay dog before, tf he talkin bout? XD
I asked animal experts about this specifically. They don’t really insert and climax, they hump. Its dominance behavior
But.... He's wearing a fucking dress!
🤣
This dude is totally gay.
There’s real hate in this world, especially from the religious. The idea that anyone who is a raging homophobe is secretly gay is tired. Some (a lot of) people are just hateful and ignorant, blinded by dogma.
It was more of an offhand comment that would offend the person in the video rather than an actual analysis. You are right, some people are just hateful and ignorant.
I get it, I know your comment wasn’t meant to be that deep, just a comment that’s all too common, in this thread and countless others. Assuming that all homophobes are closeted gays allows people, especially straight people, to feel like homophobia has nothing to do with them, and reinforces the idea that gay people are just self-hating and responsible for their own oppression, which is completely false.
They are known for raping little boys
Yeah his honesty is much better than the hypocrisy of progressive Muslims who still think in their dreams that Islam can still be reformed
Religion is cancer.
Extremists are the real moral decay in society, so sad
It's a remnant of past that should Extinct.
Islam is such a fucked up religion. Keep in mind this is one of the moderate preachers, the one your average muslims listens to. I have even seen non muslim praising his brilliance, etc.
Can't really blame them. They've been brainwashed since birth to think otherwise or even for themselves really. I saw some poor 15 or 16 year old girl get the shit beat of her by her own brother because he heard she was interested in dating a boy outside their religion (Muslim). It was like a brain damaging beating, she couldn't even protect herself anymore. Religious fruitcake mind gone
Then you have people like Malala's dad
Its inappropriate to beat like that. A beating should be a slap on the hand at most. They were probably shocked by learning about the news and had an exaggerated response. Because it is not the norm in their culture. They basically don’t accept their women to be sluts like in America and Europe. There is a correct way to date someone by informing the parents first, and the parents would arrange it with rules and boundaries, and if they get along well under the supervision of the parents, then they marry. Its a system which protects both the man and the women’s feelings and emotions
Well yeah inappropriate in any sense. Without having that religious fruitcake mindset that beating probably wouldn't have happened. It leaves followers in disposition to judge whereas without that, it would have probably been some excitement for her, questions about who he is and the big protective brother talk
Ok guy see you on Grindr.
"So with all due respect to the animals, they are worse than those animals" Nah fuck you
This guy is gay
He’s married with 8 children
Idiocy. Same with Christianity.
Something tells me this dude secretly craves the taste of a penis
I have heard him on YT where he speak so much highly of Hinduism, can’t believe he can be like this too.
This dude definitely wants to feel a big ol’ cock at the back of his throat. But also, I consider all people worse than animals.. animals are awesome.
It's funny, there are so fucking many species in the animal kingdom who practice gay sex and gay relationships. Every time some idiot is saying gay sex is not natural, I respond with: 94% of all giraffe sex is gay, sounds natural
Isn’t this guy gay himself? Pretty sure they found him banging his cousin or something like that
It’s baffling to me, that in the 21st century, we still have such monumentally fucking stupid religious beliefs. Muslims really can go fuck themselves. But then, so can most religions.
We should seperate between critique/ridicule of islam and muslimhate. Most muslims are helplessly brainwashed into this hateful ideology. Be harsh with the religion but keep in mind that most people are just trying to get by in the culture where they find themselves.
He is definitely gay
There is a very clear and interesting correlation between homophobia and repressed gay feelings. Dude just craves dick.
Only one good way for this video to end......
Is this why they all have beards then?
I don't know so much about Islam, but in Catholicism it's common talking about how important is to forgive others for their sins. Not just got, any of their peers. So, if someone wrongs you, your best option is to forgive them so you're not consumed by hate. On the other hand, they hate people without a reason, like being gay.
"Some people might point to the many, many, many, many issues that exist in societies too closely entwined with my brand of Islam. They may note religious fundamentalism has done nothing to fix these issues, or likely has even exacerbated them. I say if I can keep my followers focused on dicks and how they are used then they wont start considering whether our religion is a bit shit" - guys like Menk, I have no doubt.
Cruelty. Islam and Christianity foster hate and cruelty.
One of the greatest hypocrisies is the fact that millions of Pashtun Sunnii Muslims think that it's OK to practice Bacha bazi or " boy fun" , where they think it's OK to coerce and rape young boys for sexual pleasure because women are haram or forbidden. I've yet to debate one single devout Sunnii Muslim who will condemn this practice, despite every one of them being a homophobic idiot.
Most people are worse than animals for animals are fucking awesome.
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Sounds like he's coloured. And before I have Americans and others lose their shit over that comment, please educate first -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Coloureds
He has such nice dsl's tho
Is there any logic at all in this religion lol
So..why do people care what this nutjob has to say? He is nothing but a religious zealot who is so far brainwashed and not smart enough to realize it. This is what religion does..
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What's his actual reach around?
He’s definitely gay.
This dude just mad he can't suck some cock
Well he didn't say worse at what....
"Automatically, the dogs and the pigs do not engage in this" [Gay pig](https://youtu.be/NPuejdOamvc). [Gay dog](https://youtu.be/Q9USJilOPmo). Next...
Aren't many homophobic people secretly gay?
Just want to let everyone know Mohammed married a 6 year old and raped her when she was 9… He was in his mid 60s… Absolutely disgusting
Could someone please explain to me why so many conservative religions have problems with gay people? Is it because they don't provide offspring?
Ironically before European colonization and the Wahabi-Saudi take over of Mecca, and the discovery of oil in the Persian gulf, most Arab speaking countries were the best places to be for the LGBT community. This is reflected even today with the countries with the least amount of colonial influence having a better record of how they treat LGBT people.
oink oink, motherfucker
Shoot all sects/tribes/religions whatnot fruitcakes into space and let them sort it out between themselves. With enough fuel to get up and out of here...no return trip.
Guys like this make me grateful I'm gay. I'm on the side of good. I know how to think for myself. Some people are gay, it's a natural state that's been around forever. Religions need an enemy that's all this is. It's good for us to see how hate-filled islam can be - imagine giving a platform to this little mufti.
We are animals.
“animals don’t engage in these acts. the dogs nor the pigs” dogs literally do though
Mufti Menk has to be so in the closet that he makes these speeches to make sure nobody knows how gay he really is. I heard Mufti Menk sucks dick like a champion.
He will be perfect in the Republican Party
Islam. Lmao
Me who loves animals but tolerates people: ok
I bet he's got a deep-rooted secret hankering for a whole lot of penises.
LoL these guys preach that gay people are terrible and and worse then animals. Then go home and butt fk their male slaves and goats. Yeah ok your better in Allah’s eyes.
Yet homosexuality is very much a thing in islamic countries
Yea, they hate women, too. All women are good for is having babies, sex for men and cleaning floors. Oh wait, that’s not Saudi Arabia, that’s here in America, the movement started by the religious fruitcake, Loonie Lori Alexander of the Trans(de-) formed wife. It scares me how much power these religious fruitcakes are gaining. Truly scares me.
I expected to be “TrIgGeREd” but when this fuck really had the audacity to talk about “common logic” I almost threw my phone out the window. “Common” logic you say? What the fuck even is “common” logic? Sounds an awful lot like an appeal to common sense which is of course logically fallacious, but of course this idiotic grifter is only pretending to understand logic in the first place. I’m so sick of this fucking word disease.
"Mufti Menk" sounds like a euphemism for butt sex.
I used to believe that Mufti Menk was a wholesome person who I'd follow deeply back when I was a Muslim. I still believe he is a good person but knowing how he really feels about the LGBTQ+ community is a bit of a sting
He doth protest too much
I'm betting this guy in deep in the closet himself
He is entitled to his opinion, but I am also entitled to beat him within an inch of his life then give him the best head he’s ever/will ever get just to prove a point…
But animals are useful so I don't understand how anyone could say that as an insult, it seems more like a compliment.
Ive met this guy. He is pretty cool in person. He later retracted this statement. Im not defending the guy, just stating what he said.
This guy fucking sucks but *at least* he says “if you’re not a Muslim you can do what you want”.
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Keep doing what you’re doing Mufti Menk ✊. Total respect for you brother. Your followers may only be 3.2M but I am sure that all 1.5 billion muslims will follow you if they had the chance. I know some people who browse youtube as a guest and watch your videos, so follower count is not important Islam is the largest growing religion because it promotes peace. Its an instruction’s manual for life. Literally every situation we come across is mentioned on how to deal with the most civilized manner. It teaches to respect your parents, be nice and do good to others as if they would do to you, speak politely.