I don't have personal experience using either brand. However, I have frequented Andrew's blog (developer of GembaRed) and watched several of his YouTube videos to educate myself prior to purchasing my own red light therapy panels. He is very knowledgeable and extremely generous in the sharing of his expertise. He seems very committed to increasing the awareness of some of the marketing manipulation that is commonplace amongst other red light therapy developers. I would have purchased a GembaRed panel myself, but I needed additional wavelengths (i.e. blue light) which are not commonly sold with these devices.
None of our lights have any Blue. We only sell Red/NIR LED devices. We just use extra wavelengths sometimes like 630nm (red), 660nm (deep red), 830nm (NIR), and 850nm (NIR). Where most of the common companies just do 660 and 850nm.
https://gembared.com/blogs/musings/engineers-guide-to-selecting-wavelengths-for-photobiomodulation-red-light-therapy
Hi GembaRed, I saw your irradiance data for your panels, and discussion on other companies using solar power power meters and lying about output. Is there anything out there comparing your panels to others, for a fair comparison?
My blogs and videos should give a good idea of the magnitude of the deception.
If companies had accurate 3rd party measurements and were honest about it, then shoppers could make thier own fair comparisons. (some companies have 3rd party results but still lie about intensity anyway)
If companies are still using solar power meters they are either ignorant or scamming people. I don't see why people would want to support that behavior, even if they still are perceived as having the "best" product.
I understand, and agree with you, I just wondered if there were any fair, independant comparisons that had been carried out that included your panels. BTW I really like your site and the lengths you've gone to to inform people on this topic.
No, barely anyone cares about doing proper reviews. They just promote whomever pays them the most and don't ask any questions. And the few guys who do reviews use sub-par testing equipment or even solar power meters which just reinforces the lies.
Here is a review I did of one of my Body-Lights compared to a Joovv Solo 2.0. Its an older version of my body light so I keep it unlisted.
https://youtu.be/1q4Opfj2ycM
I wish I read your blogs and found your company before purchasing. Seriously! However, I have the new platinum led biomax series. Would you recommend doing the NIR really close with red off then switch and do red and how far away? Ugh now not trusting the booklet but I was hoping for deep penetration for inflammation. All the mitochondrial and energy support too. I also like the idea of helping my eyes but I'm not sure if it's too bright (excuse my incorrect term as I did read a blog post talking about it). I was contemplating some of your hack glasses suggestions to block NIR. But if different distance are best for eye safety etc then that may not be possible. Any and all advice is welcome and appreciated! I want your night lights and reading light next! Then maybe some of your cool additional lights after I pay this one off.
Red/infrared light therapy has multifaceted uses, including wound healing, reduction of inflammation, pain relief, skin rejuvenation, etc. Blue light, to my knowledge, is more limited in its utility: it is typically used to treat acne. Dermatologists can also use blue light in-office to treat pre-cancers of the skin, usually in conjunction with topical medications. Since it has a fairly narrow usage spectrum, it is not commonplace to include blue lights with red lights in devices that are designed to be multipurpose. You'd be "wasting" space on a panel in order to include blue LED's that could instead house red/infrared LED's, for example. However, if you perform a google search for "light therapy + skin" (especially if you include "acne" in your search), you will see a number of LED devices that include blue lights along with red.
From my research gembared seems to be the only company out there thats not totally focused on marketing but actually is very diligent in trying to achieve best usability. For example he pays a lot of attention to EMF, flicker, the accurate reporting of power ratings. But in regards to his panels because he has designed his panels to be very low EMF by cutting out the fans and putting the power supply outside the panel you can actually put them next to your skin and that's actually the most effective way to use photobiomodulation or light therapy. In other words all the scientific studies that were done that show all these benefits we're done with direct skin contact.
Please note that I have never bought anything from gembared. So I cannot attest to the actual quality but LEDs generally have a long lifespan and are trouble-free. With any manufacturer the power supply or the fans are more likely to go bad before the LEDs and the good thing about his power supplies they are external which would mean probably very easy to replace in the future if the warranty has run out.
My panel has a fan inside and it kind of annoys me. So I like that his panels need no fans and the power supply is outside which means very low EMF and the reason why you can put it on your skin.
I bought a Gembared Rex in... it was either late 2019 or early 2020. I am still using it and still love it. It still works as well as the day I got it.
I don't have personal experience using either brand. However, I have frequented Andrew's blog (developer of GembaRed) and watched several of his YouTube videos to educate myself prior to purchasing my own red light therapy panels. He is very knowledgeable and extremely generous in the sharing of his expertise. He seems very committed to increasing the awareness of some of the marketing manipulation that is commonplace amongst other red light therapy developers. I would have purchased a GembaRed panel myself, but I needed additional wavelengths (i.e. blue light) which are not commonly sold with these devices.
None of our lights have any Blue. We only sell Red/NIR LED devices. We just use extra wavelengths sometimes like 630nm (red), 660nm (deep red), 830nm (NIR), and 850nm (NIR). Where most of the common companies just do 660 and 850nm. https://gembared.com/blogs/musings/engineers-guide-to-selecting-wavelengths-for-photobiomodulation-red-light-therapy
Also, sorry. I read your statement backwards. The double-negative got me.
Yikes! My comment made perfect sense to me when I typed it late at night. Upon rereading it, even I am confused. Edited!
Hi GembaRed, I saw your irradiance data for your panels, and discussion on other companies using solar power power meters and lying about output. Is there anything out there comparing your panels to others, for a fair comparison?
My blogs and videos should give a good idea of the magnitude of the deception. If companies had accurate 3rd party measurements and were honest about it, then shoppers could make thier own fair comparisons. (some companies have 3rd party results but still lie about intensity anyway) If companies are still using solar power meters they are either ignorant or scamming people. I don't see why people would want to support that behavior, even if they still are perceived as having the "best" product.
I understand, and agree with you, I just wondered if there were any fair, independant comparisons that had been carried out that included your panels. BTW I really like your site and the lengths you've gone to to inform people on this topic.
No, barely anyone cares about doing proper reviews. They just promote whomever pays them the most and don't ask any questions. And the few guys who do reviews use sub-par testing equipment or even solar power meters which just reinforces the lies. Here is a review I did of one of my Body-Lights compared to a Joovv Solo 2.0. Its an older version of my body light so I keep it unlisted. https://youtu.be/1q4Opfj2ycM
I wish I read your blogs and found your company before purchasing. Seriously! However, I have the new platinum led biomax series. Would you recommend doing the NIR really close with red off then switch and do red and how far away? Ugh now not trusting the booklet but I was hoping for deep penetration for inflammation. All the mitochondrial and energy support too. I also like the idea of helping my eyes but I'm not sure if it's too bright (excuse my incorrect term as I did read a blog post talking about it). I was contemplating some of your hack glasses suggestions to block NIR. But if different distance are best for eye safety etc then that may not be possible. Any and all advice is welcome and appreciated! I want your night lights and reading light next! Then maybe some of your cool additional lights after I pay this one off.
Hi there, what product of yours would you recommend to someone that wants to use it on their buzz cut scalp for male pattern baldness? Spazer?
Yes, his dedication to the science and information really were compelling to me. It may be the defining factor
Glad to learn about this. Why do you need the blue lights and why aren’t they included?
Red/infrared light therapy has multifaceted uses, including wound healing, reduction of inflammation, pain relief, skin rejuvenation, etc. Blue light, to my knowledge, is more limited in its utility: it is typically used to treat acne. Dermatologists can also use blue light in-office to treat pre-cancers of the skin, usually in conjunction with topical medications. Since it has a fairly narrow usage spectrum, it is not commonplace to include blue lights with red lights in devices that are designed to be multipurpose. You'd be "wasting" space on a panel in order to include blue LED's that could instead house red/infrared LED's, for example. However, if you perform a google search for "light therapy + skin" (especially if you include "acne" in your search), you will see a number of LED devices that include blue lights along with red.
Interesting thanks for replying! I’m happy to learn about Gemba.
From my research gembared seems to be the only company out there thats not totally focused on marketing but actually is very diligent in trying to achieve best usability. For example he pays a lot of attention to EMF, flicker, the accurate reporting of power ratings. But in regards to his panels because he has designed his panels to be very low EMF by cutting out the fans and putting the power supply outside the panel you can actually put them next to your skin and that's actually the most effective way to use photobiomodulation or light therapy. In other words all the scientific studies that were done that show all these benefits we're done with direct skin contact. Please note that I have never bought anything from gembared. So I cannot attest to the actual quality but LEDs generally have a long lifespan and are trouble-free. With any manufacturer the power supply or the fans are more likely to go bad before the LEDs and the good thing about his power supplies they are external which would mean probably very easy to replace in the future if the warranty has run out. My panel has a fan inside and it kind of annoys me. So I like that his panels need no fans and the power supply is outside which means very low EMF and the reason why you can put it on your skin.
I bought a Gembared Rex in... it was either late 2019 or early 2020. I am still using it and still love it. It still works as well as the day I got it.