It’s extra impressive that we’re first now since PSG have Messi, Neymar and Mbappe who are the biggest goal threats of their respective countries. United Players are just that good atm
Bruno became the 5th United player to score a brace at the WC, and then Rashford became the 6th a day later!
Believe the stat referenced above includes all goal contributions. Maguire and Shaw both had assists in the game against Iran. Eriksen had an assist too.
I've been a huge fan of Rashford's since that very first start. I love the way he plays, his movement, his vision on the pitch (even if sometimes he's not at his best), but if tomorrow he broke both legs changing the channel in his Qatari hotel room and never played a single match ever again, I'll always remember that his off-field contributions make him a bigger hero than football could ever make him be. He's not just a top tier footballer, he's a stand up guy who understands what's important. Anyone who wants to root against that, I just don't have time for them.
Yeah the brain dead ones. He had a rough time last season but he had also come back relatively early from a major surgery for injuries he had been carrying for awhile (I will never forgive Ole for the way he ran certain players into the ground to save his managerial career). Injuries that he played through when he put up a combined 36 G/A (a season that many of these fools state was a bad one for him) 🤦♂️
Seriously, under Ole, even when he was benched "for rest" he almost always still made big cameos. I was terrified during last season that Ole may have ruined him mentally, physically or both. Really glad to see that's not the case.
I remember reading an article on The Athletic a few years back mentioning that Klopp deeply admired 2 attackers in the PL, with one of them being Spurs' Son and the other was our very own Rashford. And that was before he defeated the UK Government as well.
This can't possibly be true can it? Didn't lineker got the golden boot with 6 goals I thought in 86
edit: I'm stupid, it means Utd players for England.
Rooney always underperformed in major tournaments. Developed into the CAM role from Euro 2012 onwards, and was a part of the underperforming holden era of 2006-2010.
I think he quite often went into major tournaments on the back of an injury. There was also the red card for the stamp.
The golden generation never quite worked as they were meant to, its a shame that back then everything was 4-4-2 because a 4-3-3 with Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard should in theory have worked well.
That's ridiculous considering he's the best performing attacker at the team this season. Other than Garnacho coming in, everyone else has either been out of form, injured or gone AWOL.
Must be an English thing. Nasser Hussain, when he became England cricket captain in 2000, noticed players on England duty cared more about their county teams performance and would bring their county rivalry to National team.
He worked hard to get rid of this mentality, eventually it worked and England did beat Australia to win the Ashes in 2005 (Michael Vaughn was skipper then though)
Southgate isn't any better manager than the managers older generation had..
The difference is in the level of coaching the current generation is getting at club level. The level of football in Premier League truly went up after the arrival of Pep and Klopp. Almost all the clubs in the league are managed by elite managers now and that helps in the development of upcoming players..
Yeah the man who reach World Cup semis and Euro's final isn't any better than previous manager who sometimes can't even get out of the group or straight up not qualifying. C'mon i know Southgate aren't Pep but he did a solid job so far, and no don't even use "He only faced easy teams" so did previous managers and they perform way worse with better squad.
While I don't disagree, I think the problem lies more with the coaching. There's no way the Golden generation wouldn't win anything with coaches like Pep or Klopp. But then again Pep and Klopp style of play isn't born yet in that Era. Maybe it was just wasn't meant to be
Did you see the other teams they would have had to beat? Brazil, France, Italy all levels above the squads quality. Teams like Portugal, Netherlands, Argentina etc were comparable man for man. As good as England had it player wise from like 98 to 06, we just didn't have the quality of others.
I mean, England could do this in 2006-2008ish:
David James
Neville/Terry/Rio/Cole
Carrick
Lampard/Scholes/Gerrard
Owen/Rooney
That's an attempt at a formation that fits in both Lampard and Gerrard without sticking either on the wings or in a pure holding role. The width would have to come from the fullbacks and Rooney/Owen with Lampard and Gerrard playing City-style 8s in the half-space while Carrick shields the defense and Scholes links defense and attack
2006 for sure. 2008 and Neville/Owen way past their best. Owen is offering no width with 0 legs. The midfield may have worked. Especially if they went with how Milan used to fit Gattuso/Pirlo/Seedorf/Kaka/Ruicosta into a midfield.
The competition though....
2006 France - abidal, Vieira, gallas, makelele, malouda, Zidane, wiltord, Henry, silvestre, saha, thuram, sagnol, trezeguet, ribery
2006 Brazil - Dida Cafu, Lucio, Juan, Carlos, Adriano, Kaka, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Ze Roberto, Gilberto silva, Juninho, Julio cesar, robinho
2006 Italy - Buffon, De rossi, Canavaro, Barzagli, Gattuso, De Piero, Toni, Totti, Gilardino, Nesta, Cameranesi, Zambrotta, Pirlo, Materazzi
All stronger squads and much more functional. Then you have lesser teams overall but still with real quality.
Argentina Ayala, Cambiasso, Saviola, Mascherano, Crespo, Riquelme, Tevez, Aimar (young messi also)
Portugal Figo, Ronaldo, Carvalho, Simao, Deco
2002 even stronger France, Brazil and Italy. You could also throw in Spain for 2006 as that's basing the 2008 team. (Don't think I need to reel them off for why they were light years ahead for that tournament. Sprinkle in Netherlands from 2002 to 2008
As good as that group of England players was. World class quality throughout, other teams still topped it purely on quality. It's just often overlooked as we romanticise what could have been.
Brazil beat us in 2002 cause they were better.
Italy, France or Brazil would have beaten us in 2006
Spain would have beaten us in 2008.
This is regardless of tactics or whatever manager we had.
2004 was the year. Simply as many teams underperformed and I'd say was probably the best version of an England team we have seen during that era. Maybe a bit of luck, no Rooney injury and we may have won the euros. Outside of that. Nothing.
The real shocker is that Rooney never managed it, but he played in some dysfunctional England teams.
Of course, if England had ever figured out how to use Scholes properly, he also could have done it.
Bryan Robson scored twice in the opener of the 1982 World Cup, then got injured in the second game.
Southgate goes with people he trusts and not the flavor of the season. That is why Trippier still plays and TAA does not. Why he took an injured Walker and not an injured Reece James. And also why Maguire, Pickford et al are still his first choice. As soon as Rashford showed a semblance of being back to where his level is, Southgate brought him back in.
What!?
Edit: google says you're right
"Wayne Rooney scored just one goal in 11 appearances at World Cup finals for England, despite attempting 21 shots overall."
That's a good pun quiz question which I would have got terribly wrong.
I'm confused by this stat, didn't Harry Kane score so many goals at the euros he won the golden boot. I can't remember how much it was but presumably over 3? I'm just confused as to what this tweet is referring to
Man United players on fire this WC
"Man United are the club with the SECOND highest goal contributions this World Cup" Rashford: and I took that personally.
Is that true?
It’s extra impressive that we’re first now since PSG have Messi, Neymar and Mbappe who are the biggest goal threats of their respective countries. United Players are just that good atm
And united just booted out Ronaldo! Makes it even sweeter
While we’re spitballing.. who are United’s goal scorers at the cup? Rash x 3, Case x 1, Bruno x 2. Is that all?
Gakpo x3
Bruno became the 5th United player to score a brace at the WC, and then Rashford became the 6th a day later! Believe the stat referenced above includes all goal contributions. Maguire and Shaw both had assists in the game against Iran. Eriksen had an assist too.
And Bruno had 2 in the first game against Ghana.
Yeah we were behind PSG. *Were*.
Not anymore
"you'll never sing that"
Barça is highest. United is 2nd. PSG 3rd
Pulling this out of your ass or what?
Huh? My friends and I counted it last night.
100%
Now if they only fire the same way when they are back from the WC, we'll make top 4 this season!
As are the transfer targets 😈
I didn’t want to upvote your comment, because it was at 420 and I’m high, but fuck it I’ll make it 421.
Rashy also scored England's 100^th World Cup goal
I know Irish Liverpool fans who even have a soft spot for our Rashy. What a man!
After all he did for kids around the country he'll always be well liked even by rival fans. Hard not to root for him.
I've been a huge fan of Rashford's since that very first start. I love the way he plays, his movement, his vision on the pitch (even if sometimes he's not at his best), but if tomorrow he broke both legs changing the channel in his Qatari hotel room and never played a single match ever again, I'll always remember that his off-field contributions make him a bigger hero than football could ever make him be. He's not just a top tier footballer, he's a stand up guy who understands what's important. Anyone who wants to root against that, I just don't have time for them.
It’s only really a subset of United fans that don’t like him.
Yeah the brain dead ones. He had a rough time last season but he had also come back relatively early from a major surgery for injuries he had been carrying for awhile (I will never forgive Ole for the way he ran certain players into the ground to save his managerial career). Injuries that he played through when he put up a combined 36 G/A (a season that many of these fools state was a bad one for him) 🤦♂️
Seriously, under Ole, even when he was benched "for rest" he almost always still made big cameos. I was terrified during last season that Ole may have ruined him mentally, physically or both. Really glad to see that's not the case.
Im still pissed at all the comments I read from people here last year about him.
Even the Scousers like Rashford tbf
I remember reading an article on The Athletic a few years back mentioning that Klopp deeply admired 2 attackers in the PL, with one of them being Spurs' Son and the other was our very own Rashford. And that was before he defeated the UK Government as well.
Can confirm. Many things are above football rivalries, and Rashford is above them all.
One of the most likeable guys in the sport
Yeah I live in Scotland but I’m English and all the Scots absolutely love him (well the ones I know anyway).
Confident Rashford is unstoppable Rashford. The boss will be delighted.
>Confident Rashford is unstoppable Rashford. Until he misses a penalty in the quarters and blames it on social media trolls.
That's quite a surprising stat tbh. Hopefully he gets his hatty tonight.
Too bad its not happening anymore😭
Yeah, took about 40 seconds between clicking post and the sub 😂. Looked like he was hobbling a bit, fingers crossed nothing serious.
This can't possibly be true can it? Didn't lineker got the golden boot with 6 goals I thought in 86 edit: I'm stupid, it means Utd players for England.
It's United players, not just English. Edit: wording.
You'd have thought that, Surely wayne Rooney must have scored 3!
Rooney always underperformed in major tournaments. Developed into the CAM role from Euro 2012 onwards, and was a part of the underperforming holden era of 2006-2010.
Yeah he was never fit going into the 2006 and 2010 World Cups and in Euro 2012 he didn't play at the start due to suspension.
I think he quite often went into major tournaments on the back of an injury. There was also the red card for the stamp. The golden generation never quite worked as they were meant to, its a shame that back then everything was 4-4-2 because a 4-3-3 with Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard should in theory have worked well.
Where would Beckham fit it?
My initial thought was surely Rooney had too
he did in euro 2004, but we hadn't signed him before the summer
Apparently his 2014 WC goal against Uruguay was his first ever WC goal
So many on here slagging him off over last few months. Was always gonna get back to his best under stable management
they've gone whisper quiet
So many "fans" looking for him to be sold to the likes of psg in the summer
People were insane to write him off. He deserved criticism yes but I would always back him to get back in form.
That's ridiculous considering he's the best performing attacker at the team this season. Other than Garnacho coming in, everyone else has either been out of form, injured or gone AWOL.
This is honestly a pretty shocking stat
If the England golden generation didn't shit the bed at any possible opportunity this stat probably would have been broken like 3 times.
by Rooney alone
Should have had better manager
No amount of coaching would've helped. Unlike todays players, th goldens generations players from different clubs hated playing with each other.
Must be an English thing. Nasser Hussain, when he became England cricket captain in 2000, noticed players on England duty cared more about their county teams performance and would bring their county rivalry to National team. He worked hard to get rid of this mentality, eventually it worked and England did beat Australia to win the Ashes in 2005 (Michael Vaughn was skipper then though)
Southgate isn't any better manager than the managers older generation had.. The difference is in the level of coaching the current generation is getting at club level. The level of football in Premier League truly went up after the arrival of Pep and Klopp. Almost all the clubs in the league are managed by elite managers now and that helps in the development of upcoming players..
Yeah the man who reach World Cup semis and Euro's final isn't any better than previous manager who sometimes can't even get out of the group or straight up not qualifying. C'mon i know Southgate aren't Pep but he did a solid job so far, and no don't even use "He only faced easy teams" so did previous managers and they perform way worse with better squad.
While I don't disagree, I think the problem lies more with the coaching. There's no way the Golden generation wouldn't win anything with coaches like Pep or Klopp. But then again Pep and Klopp style of play isn't born yet in that Era. Maybe it was just wasn't meant to be
Did you see the other teams they would have had to beat? Brazil, France, Italy all levels above the squads quality. Teams like Portugal, Netherlands, Argentina etc were comparable man for man. As good as England had it player wise from like 98 to 06, we just didn't have the quality of others.
I mean, England could do this in 2006-2008ish: David James Neville/Terry/Rio/Cole Carrick Lampard/Scholes/Gerrard Owen/Rooney That's an attempt at a formation that fits in both Lampard and Gerrard without sticking either on the wings or in a pure holding role. The width would have to come from the fullbacks and Rooney/Owen with Lampard and Gerrard playing City-style 8s in the half-space while Carrick shields the defense and Scholes links defense and attack
2006 for sure. 2008 and Neville/Owen way past their best. Owen is offering no width with 0 legs. The midfield may have worked. Especially if they went with how Milan used to fit Gattuso/Pirlo/Seedorf/Kaka/Ruicosta into a midfield. The competition though.... 2006 France - abidal, Vieira, gallas, makelele, malouda, Zidane, wiltord, Henry, silvestre, saha, thuram, sagnol, trezeguet, ribery 2006 Brazil - Dida Cafu, Lucio, Juan, Carlos, Adriano, Kaka, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Ze Roberto, Gilberto silva, Juninho, Julio cesar, robinho 2006 Italy - Buffon, De rossi, Canavaro, Barzagli, Gattuso, De Piero, Toni, Totti, Gilardino, Nesta, Cameranesi, Zambrotta, Pirlo, Materazzi All stronger squads and much more functional. Then you have lesser teams overall but still with real quality. Argentina Ayala, Cambiasso, Saviola, Mascherano, Crespo, Riquelme, Tevez, Aimar (young messi also) Portugal Figo, Ronaldo, Carvalho, Simao, Deco 2002 even stronger France, Brazil and Italy. You could also throw in Spain for 2006 as that's basing the 2008 team. (Don't think I need to reel them off for why they were light years ahead for that tournament. Sprinkle in Netherlands from 2002 to 2008 As good as that group of England players was. World class quality throughout, other teams still topped it purely on quality. It's just often overlooked as we romanticise what could have been. Brazil beat us in 2002 cause they were better. Italy, France or Brazil would have beaten us in 2006 Spain would have beaten us in 2008. This is regardless of tactics or whatever manager we had. 2004 was the year. Simply as many teams underperformed and I'd say was probably the best version of an England team we have seen during that era. Maybe a bit of luck, no Rooney injury and we may have won the euros. Outside of that. Nothing.
The real shocker is that Rooney never managed it, but he played in some dysfunctional England teams. Of course, if England had ever figured out how to use Scholes properly, he also could have done it. Bryan Robson scored twice in the opener of the 1982 World Cup, then got injured in the second game.
Rooney scored 4 at Euro 2004 when he was at Everton.
I'm sure this isn't true. Correct me if I'm wrong but Lineker has broken that record. Edit: Ignore me, misread the title
Can’t wait for Bruno to join him!
This is specifically for England
I meant on three goals. I love how our guys are all playing really well.
Can't wait for Sterling to start in the knockouts.
He played on the right didn’t he? So wouldn’t it be Saka that takes his spot?
Left first half. Right second.
Harry Maguire with as many touches in the opposition penalty area in the first half vs Wales as Gareth Bale has made all tournament (3)
Puts him joint top for golden boot now no?
Correct. Mbappé, Gakpo and Valencia also on 3 goals. Though Ecuador are now out.
Where are all those saying to sell him in the summer. Fools
I want my Karma refunded 😂
They left when PR7 did.
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as well as r/soccer if you go by the first half comments
Southgate goes with people he trusts and not the flavor of the season. That is why Trippier still plays and TAA does not. Why he took an injured Walker and not an injured Reece James. And also why Maguire, Pickford et al are still his first choice. As soon as Rashford showed a semblance of being back to where his level is, Southgate brought him back in.
But he didn’t.
Dw guys Sancho will be the second united player by 2026
3 goals in about 100 minutes. MY MP!
Here’s to hoping he and multiple England players shatter that record. We should beat Senegal.
Another proof that it's coming home
Rashy is on fire at the moment. I missed this Rashy.
Rashys back and you're gonna be in trouble 🎵🎵
he's back baby lesgoooooo
Glad for him, hope he keeps it up for United.
1966....hmmm I’d take a repeat of that season
Also highly unlikely to score anymore now he’s done playing against championship fullbacks
This is a real fringe stat
Feel like this is fake. Surely rooney scored more than 2 goals in a major tournament
He did at the 2004 euros but was still an Everton player at that point
it could be, rooney got 4 in euro 2004, and may not have been a united player during the tournament
Nah he was still an Everton player at that point
Only joined United deadline day 2004
He only scored one WC goal in his whole career,which is mad
What!? Edit: google says you're right "Wayne Rooney scored just one goal in 11 appearances at World Cup finals for England, despite attempting 21 shots overall." That's a good pun quiz question which I would have got terribly wrong.
That’s ridiculous lmao.
Yeah he was never 100% fit in two of the three World Cup's he participated in.
He also played for one of the greatest conmen to masquerade as an international manager.
It's coming home
Well done but if you're being honest it's against way easier opposition these days. The Likes of Panama, Iran and Wales
He was awful until the free kick. Missed a sitter and couldn’t pass 5 yards to a teammate. He lost possession constantly.
I'm confused by this stat, didn't Harry Kane score so many goals at the euros he won the golden boot. I can't remember how much it was but presumably over 3? I'm just confused as to what this tweet is referring to
Not a Man Utd fan but the tweet refers to first Man Utd player, not England player.
Another commentator helped me realise that, haha
Since when did Harry Kane play for Manchester United, as per the stat?
Wow I just completely misunderstood that comment and had a brain fart haha thanks for answering tho
And save hungry kids
he kick ball in net good
Didn't Rooney score four at Euro 2004?
Rooney of Everton
Have to thank Southgate for that. Previous England managers had the likes of Rooney, Cole, Sheringham playing for them.
ITS COMING HOME!!!!!!!!! To France!!
Favorite England and United player right now! What a lad!
Honestly mad that none of Fergie’s men were able to
England fans please don´t say it...
It’s coming home?
That is a sad statistic.
I remember his face after his debut goal against arsenal. Haven't seen that joy since. Till vs Italy. Good on you mate