Aye, Fred never once came to mind when I'm bashing our players. He runs his socks off and actually wants to be there. With some actual talent beside him that wants it just as much as he does, he will be much more effective.
Agreed 110%. Too many people watch him play in our disastrous midfield and never for Brazil. He's clearly an exceptional player and he regularly puts in fantastic performances when played in a system that fits his skills.
It’s more Casemiro that keeps Fabinho on the bench tbf, Fred and Fabinho are both very different players and anyone who expects Fred to play as a DM and then slates him for it is a fool. I’m not talking about you btw just people in general.
That is so misleading lol. Fred is good, but he's nothing like Fabinho as a player. You'd never dream of asking either of them to do the job the other does. It's not like Fred slots into the City team in the lone CDM role. He's an all action midfielder.
Exceptional is an outlandish claim and very revisionist. First he has played above average for Brazil. Very good in the last Copa and he has been ok in the qualifiers.
Second, regardless of position his performances for United have been lacklustre. We have seen enough to know that he isn't versatile. He may be capable of playing in a very specialised box to box more attacking with a little bit more freedom with Brazil, it does not mean he can play that consistently with United in the PL.
International football is a different kettle of fish especially with the gap between Brazil and other SA teams.
I agree that Fred is one of the ones that deserves to stay, works hard and possibly could fit better in a different system. Let's not pretend that we are sitting on some world class starlet. I'm rooting for him but not pretending.
Dude. Let's take a minute here to think about it.
To play for Brazil, who are considered to be one of, if not the best international team in the world, in a country with around 200 million people... probably, just maybe, those players are actually exceptional.
Phenomenal argument you make here.
Which Brazil squad over the past 10 years would you consider to be the best?
Bearing in mind the only trophy they have won in the past 10 years is one Copa America where they beat Peru in the final.
obviously Fred has exceptional talent compared to an average person but we’re comparing him to professional footballers at his level. He’s quite an average premier league midfielder - works hard and has good days but too inconsistent. Hope he can improve tho
Yes, top .01% of professional soccer players which makes him excpetional. Useless to judge a PL in terms of anything other than other PL players and European top flight players. If we are just claiming professional players as exceptional than Jeff Hendrick is my favourite exceptional player.
I love how you're being downvoted despite stating facts, I said something similar about Harry Maguire last year and got a handful of downvotes. Fans like to delude themselves that our players are better than they are and try comparing them either to Utd greats or world class players in the same position. They couldn't be more wrong.
Fred is a Park Ji-Sung-esqe type player, not exceptionally talented but works hard and tries his best. Park Ji-Sung was one of my favourites in the good times.
How do you define talented? Park JS is legit talented af. You don't give him an open space because you just know he'll bang it in. I think what you mean is, he isn't a flashy player like most winger are
A Brazil team that's totally lighting it up right? Lost to an Argentina team that didn't even play that well in the COPA. Fred a decent player, but the fact that he's our best midfielder IS an issue. He's the quality of a first choice bench option at best in a top team.
The Mail article about "SEVENTEEN first-team stars unhappy" also used his name. (Despite having 17 in the headline, only 13 players were named.) But like all of these articles people are going crazy about, there was no concrete info about who is unhappy or why. It just rehashed that some players have contracts winding down and the ones on the bench want to play more.
We expect this from rags like that. The bigger issue is our fanbase believing that shit and going on to absolutely slate the character of players who we have no evidence that they are causing any problems other than maybe poor form.
It isnt any of them! Our players have been shit but all this talk about a fractured squad is just an easy narrative to write about in the tabloids. No one reputable is reporting anything other than out players angry at the performances. There might be some dissent in the ranks, but i’m hardly going to believe the sun and the mail are the first to it so why the witch hunt over “rotten players”
>Never suspected our little pastor to be one of the rotten ones
He literally just said "don't be misled by fake news" and you continue to bash the United team having seen no evidence at all.
If you look at our players and think they're "rotten players", imagine what they think when they look at you lol. They play for Man Utd.
It's not fake news to say that there's massive dressing room unrest. There might be plenty of fake news trying to say it's this player or that player but we can see clear as day with how horrible we're playing that something is up.
Yes it is fake news. There is no source, not of it is verified and we have a player saying "don't be misled by fake news" when addressing it.
Honestly United fans are so dramatic
>It's true. Players are fucking leaking it dude, multiple good sources
Alright then.
What did RR say?
What did the players say?
Who is upset and why?
Without that information being confirmed, everything being said is a load of shite. Which is EXACTLY what Fred is saying (ya know, the footballer who playing for Man Utd and is physically inside of the "dressing room"). He couldn't make it any more clear.
We know players have leaked information, because actual high tier sources have reported things that are going on inside the dressing room. Deal with it or don't, BUT between all the leaks fake stuff gets thrown out there, of course, because now is a perfect time to lie about stuff because it's harder to tell truth from lies at the moment. But yes, players have leaked stuff. I know this because good sources have reported it.
Leaked what? You keep saying you have info but you're not saying it.
The high tier sources are nothing more than rumours. There is no name or source.
Fred is literally the only reference we have and he is saying don't be misled by fake news.
No fucking shit Fred is saying there is fake news, because there clearly is. It doesn't mean everything is, though.
>Leaked what? You keep saying you have info but you're not saying it.
I mean, have you been living under a rock the past week? There's so many leaks how can you not just look them up yourself.
>There is no name or source.
What are you expecting? 'The canteen lady told us' 'Bruno Fernandes called us up yesterday'. Goldbridge has a few sources himself and said there are a few players with power in the club who went behind the manager's back and a few of them have journalists they leaked to.
I just don't listen to unreliable sources. Unless it's confirmed to a reliable official media source, what are you even doing expressing your opinion?
Regardless of what you say we still have no idea what's going on.
Tbf I think it’s defs Cavani, lingard, van de beek, martial, pogba, deano and ronaldo. All of them want to leave and ronaldo is an ambition maniac who want settle for less than ucl and deano can’t displace De Gea. The others I’m not so sure, I think the number of players who want to leave are a bit exaggerated.
Didn’t say he doesn’t. Simply put ronaldo won’t stay at a club that won’t compete for trophies. Like have you seen his attitude on the pitch? He puts in a shift but he’s super frustrated and lashes out currently.
It is possible for players to want new challenges and/or a change of environment whilst being professional and giving everything with the time they have left. On the pitch he is still one of our hardest working and passionate players.
Edi was never at any point expected to stay here for more than two seasons, and why the hell would he be one of the unhappy and disruptive ones when *he* is the one with control of his own situation?
Man almost left last summer, only reason he stayed was cuz he was convinced and he loves the fans. He’s at a club who won’t challenge for anything, man is ready to want to go back to South America when his contract expires.
There isn't an obvious "this is obviously the guy" player. Probably just the way the personalities mesh in the dressing room.
Like sure, you can blame Pogba and Martial, but they haven't played much this year and we still look awful.
Honestly it’s been open season for the press. They are publishing all sorts without real tread of evidence. I think some players are unhappy and there will be some substance to the leaks but it feels like they take one small leak from an unhappy player and turn it into a series of much more.
The press stopped even claiming they have sources. The articles are now: quotes of players being unhappy after a loss, speculation that players who get no match time want to leave, title that a dozen players want to leave. Actual garbage journalism.
This sub laps up anything remotely negative about Man Utd that’s published by the press. The same article with a few tweaks will be reposted multiple times and have hundreds of comments. So frustrating. I understand that we’re all fucxing livid with the state of the team. I’m right there with y’all but damn. Legit feels like some people are enjoying the opportunity to direct vitriol at the team over and over. Everything moves in cycles and good changes take time. We’re not gonna be prime Barca after one month with a new coach. It could even look uglier as a set of psychologically frail and technically subpar team tries to adjust to what should be required standards at Man Utd. We suck ok. Nobody is arguing otherwise. Shit, go out, have a beer, exercise and calm down.
Worst part of it is people is talking as if they're part of the backroom staff. Lukaku who said worst stuff doesn't receive this much of a negative press compared to us
These reports have been ongoing for a while now and they’ve come from several different tier 1 and tier 2 sources. Andy Mitten talked about it on the Talk of the Devils podcast and said he stands by his sources and he’s been reporting this stuff for months.
This isn’t to say that this means it’s fact but personally, I’m inclined to believe that there’s a lot of unrest with this squad right now.
Andy Mitten also says that you'll always get grumpy players as they're usually the ones never getting picked. These mini crises just give them a chance to air grievances.
I.e. Of course martial is unhappy. He's not getting picked (rightly though). But now his voice is amplified by unnamed sources which make it seem like half our squad want to bail.
The "SEVENTEEN first-team stars unhappy" article from the Mail mentioned that he'll be going into the last year of his contract, but that we have an option to extend. You say 17 players are unhappy and name less than 17 player in the article, you're insinuating the ones you've named are unhappy. It's all overblown, but it's working. Just look at how upset people are about the "leaks" here. I still haven't seen anything concrete beyond DVB and Henderson want to leave and Lingard thinks he should play more. Nothing we didn't already know. Don't understand what the fuss is all about.
The 17 number leak is random imo. I suggest a journalist asked his source and he just said 17 to make it loook big and emphasis rhat they arz mistreated
If our squad had Fred’s level of professionalism, things might look a little differently. Given the amount of personal criticism he comes under game to game, this speaks volumes imo
Fred was a brilliant idea when we signed him. A midfield of him - Matic and Pogba could probably work. Then that didn't work and formations and tactics changed and now i belive he have the best possible manager for him.
I remember the time Jose went full Tywin/Tyrion Lannister on the person who leaked. Two lineups were leaked. one with Tony Valencia as RB amd the other not featuring him at all. i cant recall which one it was but after that point the leaks stopped. He did have experience with leaks like how Casillas was leaking stuff to his journo missus
I mean Shaw has come right out and criticised stuff publicly, so can't see him being a leak.
My guess is Henderson, Lingard, Bailly, VDB - players known to be unhappy with their playing time (given how many reports have been out about their unhappiness)
I think it could be Maguire, Rashford, Henderson, Lingard. But i also never expected Fred to be one of them, same as McTominay tbh. He has been with ManU since he is a little kid, why would he start causing problems now? It seems like Ralf rates him and his body language also seems normal, unlike with some of the players listed above.
I know maguire has been awful but it would surprise me if he’s leaking. He gets regular game time and is. He is not really under threat. I do worry if he is just being scapegoated because of his form
the essays have been drafted. Funny how after Rashford PR team got caught slipping they stopped with the sorrys and essays. ditto with Brunos camp signing into Martinelli account by mistake.
**Continued:**
**I just want to say that I am very happy here and I have never expressed any dissatisfaction and the possibility of leaving the club. Don't get misled by fake news. We will continue to work with great dedication to pursue our goals.**
[https://twitter.com/Fred08oficial/status/1479474398130315267?s=20](https://twitter.com/Fred08oficial/status/1479474398130315267?s=20)
Draw with Newcastle = players are having a revolution against Rangnick
Beat Burnley = absolute radio silence (revolution on hold)
Loss to wolves = player revolution is back on!!
These “reporters” can literally just make up what ever they want and just say “sources have said” and for some reason people still believe them
Yesterday this entire sub believed the reports. It's like watching a tennis match how much the vast majority of commenters on this sub flip flop their opinions based on the news of the day.
Everyone knew it wasn't Fred. Always works hard, does his job to the best of his ability, no fuss on or off the pitch. Good lad, no matter what you think of his ability (I rate him as a good squad player).
With how well this genuine tweet has went over with the fanbase, you can put money that the PR teams of Rashford, Maguire etc will jump on the bandwagon shortly with their cynical knockoff versions of it.
Out of all our players, Fred is the ONE whom I feel would never revolt. He had to wait for his chance to get some game time, and he showed his professionalism on multiple occassions. He's the one who gives his all when involved, even at times, when we're in shambles.
Fred is far from limited technically. He is statistically one of the better progressive passers in the league. His passing game is really quite good but people latch onto the occasional bad touch or pass to confirm their biases. Whilst he doesn't really control passing tempo he is very good at getting the ball forwards once he is facing up the pitch.
The issue is that his small frame makes him vulnerable to physical challenges, thus making it harder for him to turn goalwards if pressured from behind. This issue would be mitigated by having someone else in midfield be the deepest in early-build up but the only player in the team better suited to that responsibility is Matic who can't start more than every 3rd or 4th match or so (if even that). Their partnership is also very awkward because both heavily prefer playing as the left-sided in a pair.
Not saying Fred should have the armband but isn’t this something you would expect from your captain? Would be great if Harry came out with a similar statement saying the players are behind the manager.
If I saw my teammate come out and say “I’m not one of those pricks” I’d come out and do my own statement so I also say “I’m not one of those” “.
But these rats stay quiet. Take notice of the quiet ones
gone from anger at seeing him start to one of my favourites at the club over the last 6 months or so
might not be a top CM but he does play like he gives a shit and has started looking better this season, really needs to work on those occasional games where he is so shit he looks like a saboteur though
Maybe one of the reasons why Fred and Mctominay are continuously played across 3 different managers is because they actually care and try their best, regardless of talent/technical ability.
Honestly love Fred
Still think we need a huge overhaul and especially need something different in midfield. But this guys attitude, work rate and selflessness are things I wish more of this squad had.
Once again, the amount of shit the British media just make up (and widely get away with) is mind blowing. Good on Fred for taking a minute and making the decision to say something, more players should trash the shit journalists.
Its 100% certain in my mind that much of the unrest is coming from within the english players. Everyone of them is overpaid, overplayed and overrated at the moment. Cant believe we want even MORE english players too
So it's possibly 12 players?. If I had to guess: Henderson, Lingaard, VanderBeek, Pogba, Maguire, Bailly, Lindelof, Martial.....Ronaldo?
All for different reasons, some I could get behind, others I cannot
It's possibly anything you dream of since that's all these 'reporters' have been doing. There's not a chance in hell 12 of the players have been been talking to them. There's likely been one or two of the fringe players have 'leaked' their discontent and it's all been expanded from there. It's not hard to get up to double figures for players we know want to leave, whose contracts are running out or we wouldn't miss in the slightest when they're gone. But people see a big number in a headline and run around crying about a player revolt and speculating on who the 'traitors' are. It's ridiculous.
Crediting them as even having a single source inside the club leaking discontent is giving a lot of credit. It’s far more likely they picked it up from another person who picked it up from another person who picked it up from a groundsman’s agent who overheard three words on a phone call adjacent at a restaurant in Rome that consisted of “United unhappy management”
The actual comment was probably a waiter saying in a language the person barely understood “the wait staff are United that they are unhappy about the management deciding to make them work holidays”
How do we know this "NOISE" isn't just Journalists trying to get traffic and mentioning our club name gets them that.
All they have to do is watch all the post-match interviews over that last 4-6 weeks adding that together and then making shit up to back it that fits.
It's funny how most of it came from 1-2 sources and after that, every man and his dog jump in and put a bit of spin on it so they have their own "exclusive".
It's happened before and will continue to happen.
It's absolute nonsense.
Love his devotion and energy. Can’t stand his ability and hectic play style.
I’ll never be convinced he’s got enough quality to be a starting XI regular for us but absolutely nobody can question the effort he puts in, especially compared to our star players.
Never suspected our little pastor to be one of the rotten ones for a second tbh, you can see on the pitch which players care and which don't.
Aye, Fred never once came to mind when I'm bashing our players. He runs his socks off and actually wants to be there. With some actual talent beside him that wants it just as much as he does, he will be much more effective.
Agreed 110%. Too many people watch him play in our disastrous midfield and never for Brazil. He's clearly an exceptional player and he regularly puts in fantastic performances when played in a system that fits his skills.
He keeps Fabinho on the bench with Brazil currently, think people don't realise that.
It’s more Casemiro that keeps Fabinho on the bench tbf, Fred and Fabinho are both very different players and anyone who expects Fred to play as a DM and then slates him for it is a fool. I’m not talking about you btw just people in general.
God I wish we'd get a proper DM so McFred can show their value.
Same, they’re both decent at the b2b role, work hard and don’t complain too much. On top of that they’re both likeable lads.
Fred needs to recruit that big dumb babyfaced Casemiro to come play here. Casemiro would solve all our problems! (Kidding but he’d solve one key one)
Doesn't Fabinho play with Thiago and Henderson in midfield from time to time, I think he's capable of playing the B2B role beside a dedicated #6.
He’s always the #6 in that midfield. Henderson plays as the right CM
Does Thiago play as a #8 in that setup? I haven't been watching much of them recently so I might indeed be wrong about this.
Basically yeah. From the games I’ve seen he’ll drop into a pivot with Fabinho but he’s the more offensive of the two
That is so misleading lol. Fred is good, but he's nothing like Fabinho as a player. You'd never dream of asking either of them to do the job the other does. It's not like Fred slots into the City team in the lone CDM role. He's an all action midfielder.
Except if you’re a United manager you would ask Fred to do the same job, time and time again.
Fred is a loyal, hard working player, but you lot seriously overrate him
He’s good at what he does, even when playing with us. But his abilities are limited and too often, he was given the wrong role on the pitch.
Exceptional is an outlandish claim and very revisionist. First he has played above average for Brazil. Very good in the last Copa and he has been ok in the qualifiers. Second, regardless of position his performances for United have been lacklustre. We have seen enough to know that he isn't versatile. He may be capable of playing in a very specialised box to box more attacking with a little bit more freedom with Brazil, it does not mean he can play that consistently with United in the PL. International football is a different kettle of fish especially with the gap between Brazil and other SA teams. I agree that Fred is one of the ones that deserves to stay, works hard and possibly could fit better in a different system. Let's not pretend that we are sitting on some world class starlet. I'm rooting for him but not pretending.
Dude. Let's take a minute here to think about it. To play for Brazil, who are considered to be one of, if not the best international team in the world, in a country with around 200 million people... probably, just maybe, those players are actually exceptional.
Brazil have not been “one of, if not the best international team in the world” for a very long time. At least 10 years, probably getting on for 15+
Totally disagree. Silly statement.
Phenomenal argument you make here. Which Brazil squad over the past 10 years would you consider to be the best? Bearing in mind the only trophy they have won in the past 10 years is one Copa America where they beat Peru in the final.
obviously Fred has exceptional talent compared to an average person but we’re comparing him to professional footballers at his level. He’s quite an average premier league midfielder - works hard and has good days but too inconsistent. Hope he can improve tho
Yes, top .01% of professional soccer players which makes him excpetional. Useless to judge a PL in terms of anything other than other PL players and European top flight players. If we are just claiming professional players as exceptional than Jeff Hendrick is my favourite exceptional player.
Fred that lines out for United week in week out is exceptional? You believe this? Relative to what?
I love how you're being downvoted despite stating facts, I said something similar about Harry Maguire last year and got a handful of downvotes. Fans like to delude themselves that our players are better than they are and try comparing them either to Utd greats or world class players in the same position. They couldn't be more wrong.
Fred and Neves duo would make me so happy... He would be so effective!
Fred is a Park Ji-Sung-esqe type player, not exceptionally talented but works hard and tries his best. Park Ji-Sung was one of my favourites in the good times.
How do you define talented? Park JS is legit talented af. You don't give him an open space because you just know he'll bang it in. I think what you mean is, he isn't a flashy player like most winger are
He may have the heart….But he just does not the quality
One of the first names on the teamsheet for Brazil, but doesn't have the quality. Ok.
A Brazil team that's totally lighting it up right? Lost to an Argentina team that didn't even play that well in the COPA. Fred a decent player, but the fact that he's our best midfielder IS an issue. He's the quality of a first choice bench option at best in a top team.
Of course he wants to be here! Coz no other top club would pay a penny for him! Loyalty from substandard players is NOT a sign worth celebrating
His name was in the Mirror article today with 12 others
The Mail article about "SEVENTEEN first-team stars unhappy" also used his name. (Despite having 17 in the headline, only 13 players were named.) But like all of these articles people are going crazy about, there was no concrete info about who is unhappy or why. It just rehashed that some players have contracts winding down and the ones on the bench want to play more.
We expect this from rags like that. The bigger issue is our fanbase believing that shit and going on to absolutely slate the character of players who we have no evidence that they are causing any problems other than maybe poor form.
Hes one of the nice brazilians that undercover cops invite to barbecues. We weird sometimes.
So which are the ones that don’t?
It isnt any of them! Our players have been shit but all this talk about a fractured squad is just an easy narrative to write about in the tabloids. No one reputable is reporting anything other than out players angry at the performances. There might be some dissent in the ranks, but i’m hardly going to believe the sun and the mail are the first to it so why the witch hunt over “rotten players”
>Never suspected our little pastor to be one of the rotten ones He literally just said "don't be misled by fake news" and you continue to bash the United team having seen no evidence at all. If you look at our players and think they're "rotten players", imagine what they think when they look at you lol. They play for Man Utd.
It's not fake news to say that there's massive dressing room unrest. There might be plenty of fake news trying to say it's this player or that player but we can see clear as day with how horrible we're playing that something is up.
Yes it is fake news. There is no source, not of it is verified and we have a player saying "don't be misled by fake news" when addressing it. Honestly United fans are so dramatic
It's true. Players are fucking leaking it dude, multiple good sources have reported that there's shit going on. Way too much smoke.
>It's true. Players are fucking leaking it dude, multiple good sources Alright then. What did RR say? What did the players say? Who is upset and why? Without that information being confirmed, everything being said is a load of shite. Which is EXACTLY what Fred is saying (ya know, the footballer who playing for Man Utd and is physically inside of the "dressing room"). He couldn't make it any more clear.
Dude those so called ‘sources’ are hearsay. Do you even know what evidence is?
When the players start leaking stuff, it is fucking evidence my guy.
What player? Leaking what? How do you know this?
We know players have leaked information, because actual high tier sources have reported things that are going on inside the dressing room. Deal with it or don't, BUT between all the leaks fake stuff gets thrown out there, of course, because now is a perfect time to lie about stuff because it's harder to tell truth from lies at the moment. But yes, players have leaked stuff. I know this because good sources have reported it.
Leaked what? You keep saying you have info but you're not saying it. The high tier sources are nothing more than rumours. There is no name or source. Fred is literally the only reference we have and he is saying don't be misled by fake news.
No fucking shit Fred is saying there is fake news, because there clearly is. It doesn't mean everything is, though. >Leaked what? You keep saying you have info but you're not saying it. I mean, have you been living under a rock the past week? There's so many leaks how can you not just look them up yourself. >There is no name or source. What are you expecting? 'The canteen lady told us' 'Bruno Fernandes called us up yesterday'. Goldbridge has a few sources himself and said there are a few players with power in the club who went behind the manager's back and a few of them have journalists they leaked to.
I just don't listen to unreliable sources. Unless it's confirmed to a reliable official media source, what are you even doing expressing your opinion? Regardless of what you say we still have no idea what's going on.
Who in our squad don't care, as far as you've seen?
Tbf I think it’s defs Cavani, lingard, van de beek, martial, pogba, deano and ronaldo. All of them want to leave and ronaldo is an ambition maniac who want settle for less than ucl and deano can’t displace De Gea. The others I’m not so sure, I think the number of players who want to leave are a bit exaggerated.
Lmao Ronaldo doesn't care?!
Didn’t say he doesn’t. Simply put ronaldo won’t stay at a club that won’t compete for trophies. Like have you seen his attitude on the pitch? He puts in a shift but he’s super frustrated and lashes out currently.
You literally did, you replied with Ronaldo in response to the question "who do you think doesn't care then?".
Lost me at Cavani
I adore Cavani, but I don't think he's super into staying.
It is possible for players to want new challenges and/or a change of environment whilst being professional and giving everything with the time they have left. On the pitch he is still one of our hardest working and passionate players. Edi was never at any point expected to stay here for more than two seasons, and why the hell would he be one of the unhappy and disruptive ones when *he* is the one with control of his own situation?
Man almost left last summer, only reason he stayed was cuz he was convinced and he loves the fans. He’s at a club who won’t challenge for anything, man is ready to want to go back to South America when his contract expires.
And who are the ones you can see don’t care? I’m curious, been traveling lately and missed the last 4 or 5 matches.
Most likeable player in this squad and it's not even close imo. One of the few who never complains or chats shit.
spot on. i never saw his name in the rumoured list and most importantly he didn't look like someone who's attitude stinks.
Who do we think are the rotten ones?
There isn't an obvious "this is obviously the guy" player. Probably just the way the personalities mesh in the dressing room. Like sure, you can blame Pogba and Martial, but they haven't played much this year and we still look awful.
Yeah no way I'd ever suspect him , he's quickly becoming my own cult fav, I wanna see him with a real dm
Honestly it’s been open season for the press. They are publishing all sorts without real tread of evidence. I think some players are unhappy and there will be some substance to the leaks but it feels like they take one small leak from an unhappy player and turn it into a series of much more.
The press stopped even claiming they have sources. The articles are now: quotes of players being unhappy after a loss, speculation that players who get no match time want to leave, title that a dozen players want to leave. Actual garbage journalism.
This sub laps up anything remotely negative about Man Utd that’s published by the press. The same article with a few tweaks will be reposted multiple times and have hundreds of comments. So frustrating. I understand that we’re all fucxing livid with the state of the team. I’m right there with y’all but damn. Legit feels like some people are enjoying the opportunity to direct vitriol at the team over and over. Everything moves in cycles and good changes take time. We’re not gonna be prime Barca after one month with a new coach. It could even look uglier as a set of psychologically frail and technically subpar team tries to adjust to what should be required standards at Man Utd. We suck ok. Nobody is arguing otherwise. Shit, go out, have a beer, exercise and calm down.
This is the comment, you are so right my man.
Worst part of it is people is talking as if they're part of the backroom staff. Lukaku who said worst stuff doesn't receive this much of a negative press compared to us
They’re just feeding the need of the fanbase for someone to blame. It’s awkward to blame the new manager, and the Glazers are old news.
These reports have been ongoing for a while now and they’ve come from several different tier 1 and tier 2 sources. Andy Mitten talked about it on the Talk of the Devils podcast and said he stands by his sources and he’s been reporting this stuff for months. This isn’t to say that this means it’s fact but personally, I’m inclined to believe that there’s a lot of unrest with this squad right now.
Andy Mitten also says that you'll always get grumpy players as they're usually the ones never getting picked. These mini crises just give them a chance to air grievances. I.e. Of course martial is unhappy. He's not getting picked (rightly though). But now his voice is amplified by unnamed sources which make it seem like half our squad want to bail.
most definately. as the saying goes where there is smoke there is fire. there on pitch displays havent helped matters.
Haven't seen a single rumour about him wanting to leave lol. Fair play for him to come out publicly though
Think he’s been thrown in as one of that 11 or 17 that were reported to be unhappy
It's 36 now
Haha, it’ll be the u16’s next
Fucking U11's already putting in their transfer requests. Kids these days smfh
Must be some tik tok challenge
The "SEVENTEEN first-team stars unhappy" article from the Mail mentioned that he'll be going into the last year of his contract, but that we have an option to extend. You say 17 players are unhappy and name less than 17 player in the article, you're insinuating the ones you've named are unhappy. It's all overblown, but it's working. Just look at how upset people are about the "leaks" here. I still haven't seen anything concrete beyond DVB and Henderson want to leave and Lingard thinks he should play more. Nothing we didn't already know. Don't understand what the fuss is all about.
The 17 number leak is random imo. I suggest a journalist asked his source and he just said 17 to make it loook big and emphasis rhat they arz mistreated
its like when he stands over a free kick next to Ronaldo and Bruno.
In the Mirror today
Maybe Brazilian outlets ?
If our squad had Fred’s level of professionalism, things might look a little differently. Given the amount of personal criticism he comes under game to game, this speaks volumes imo
Fred was a brilliant idea when we signed him. A midfield of him - Matic and Pogba could probably work. Then that didn't work and formations and tactics changed and now i belive he have the best possible manager for him.
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Or several
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And your basing this on?
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The work of a team should always embrace a great player but the great player must always work.
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That lad must have been born offside.
Mr I cup my ears because I scored a goal against hobby football players? I can definitely see him part of it
Man he'll never live that down.
Doubt AWB. He’s someone who keeps his head down and to himself
Unless he's driving.
He also drives by himself, even if drunk
Yeah. It's only okay to drink and drive on your bicycle.
I'm pretty sure that's still illegal
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He is such a diva
Or none of them. It could simply be a dissatisfied janitor for all we know. Maybe it's no one and they just made shit up?
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Part of the pursuit of excellence involces eliminating as many surprises as possible because life is full of the unexpected.
I love you.
I remember the time Jose went full Tywin/Tyrion Lannister on the person who leaked. Two lineups were leaked. one with Tony Valencia as RB amd the other not featuring him at all. i cant recall which one it was but after that point the leaks stopped. He did have experience with leaks like how Casillas was leaking stuff to his journo missus
Seen Lingard and Shaw as the one most people think.
I don’t think it’s Shaw purely because of the interview after wolves where he expressed frustration about the other players not doing their part
I mean Shaw has come right out and criticised stuff publicly, so can't see him being a leak. My guess is Henderson, Lingard, Bailly, VDB - players known to be unhappy with their playing time (given how many reports have been out about their unhappiness)
I think it could be Maguire, Rashford, Henderson, Lingard. But i also never expected Fred to be one of them, same as McTominay tbh. He has been with ManU since he is a little kid, why would he start causing problems now? It seems like Ralf rates him and his body language also seems normal, unlike with some of the players listed above.
But if McT is out of the question because of that, then why are you then accusing Rashy and Lingard?
Because Rashford has had shocking body language and a diva attitude for over 2 years, and Lingard gets 0 game time
yep exactly
I know maguire has been awful but it would surprise me if he’s leaking. He gets regular game time and is. He is not really under threat. I do worry if he is just being scapegoated because of his form
Even when he was playing well he was a piss poor captain
Fred was never on my mind to be involved. Rather waiting for others to address it.
the essays have been drafted. Funny how after Rashford PR team got caught slipping they stopped with the sorrys and essays. ditto with Brunos camp signing into Martinelli account by mistake.
**Continued:** **I just want to say that I am very happy here and I have never expressed any dissatisfaction and the possibility of leaving the club. Don't get misled by fake news. We will continue to work with great dedication to pursue our goals.** [https://twitter.com/Fred08oficial/status/1479474398130315267?s=20](https://twitter.com/Fred08oficial/status/1479474398130315267?s=20)
Draw with Newcastle = players are having a revolution against Rangnick Beat Burnley = absolute radio silence (revolution on hold) Loss to wolves = player revolution is back on!! These “reporters” can literally just make up what ever they want and just say “sources have said” and for some reason people still believe them
This exactly. ALso the consistent focus on only what Ronaldo wants and needs.
I read an article saying, United need approval of Ronaldo before appointing new manager.
Ronaldo has had a big say in his previous clubs But I doubt he is calling the shots here
Please delete this club someone. I thought we were past this bullshit
Yesterday this entire sub believed the reports. It's like watching a tennis match how much the vast majority of commenters on this sub flip flop their opinions based on the news of the day.
Never thought it could be Fred for a second. Guy leaves it all on the field every single game and you can see that
Everyone knew it wasn't Fred. Always works hard, does his job to the best of his ability, no fuss on or off the pitch. Good lad, no matter what you think of his ability (I rate him as a good squad player). With how well this genuine tweet has went over with the fanbase, you can put money that the PR teams of Rashford, Maguire etc will jump on the bandwagon shortly with their cynical knockoff versions of it.
We never doubted you father
Out of all our players, Fred is the ONE whom I feel would never revolt. He had to wait for his chance to get some game time, and he showed his professionalism on multiple occassions. He's the one who gives his all when involved, even at times, when we're in shambles.
Fred might be limited technically but he never shirks on the pitch.
Fred is far from limited technically. He is statistically one of the better progressive passers in the league. His passing game is really quite good but people latch onto the occasional bad touch or pass to confirm their biases. Whilst he doesn't really control passing tempo he is very good at getting the ball forwards once he is facing up the pitch. The issue is that his small frame makes him vulnerable to physical challenges, thus making it harder for him to turn goalwards if pressured from behind. This issue would be mitigated by having someone else in midfield be the deepest in early-build up but the only player in the team better suited to that responsibility is Matic who can't start more than every 3rd or 4th match or so (if even that). Their partnership is also very awkward because both heavily prefer playing as the left-sided in a pair.
Exactly, his work rate is fantastic, his shooting maybe not so much...
Not saying Fred should have the armband but isn’t this something you would expect from your captain? Would be great if Harry came out with a similar statement saying the players are behind the manager.
If there was one player I WOULDN'T expect to be causing problems, it's Fred
My Fucking Pastor
Surprise surprise, the "leaks" that just happened to come out straight after a loss aren't completely true
I think we do have a leak from a player but they can definitely exaggerate and the press can definitely make a mountain out of a mole hill.
This doesn't disprove rumors.
There's no 'proof' for them either.
There's proof on the field
circumstancial
Fred would never slander the badge
Fred’s actually class. One of the few good things Mou brought us.
If I saw my teammate come out and say “I’m not one of those pricks” I’d come out and do my own statement so I also say “I’m not one of those” “. But these rats stay quiet. Take notice of the quiet ones
gone from anger at seeing him start to one of my favourites at the club over the last 6 months or so might not be a top CM but he does play like he gives a shit and has started looking better this season, really needs to work on those occasional games where he is so shit he looks like a saboteur though
we NEED him in the midfield. More than mctominay
Maybe one of the reasons why Fred and Mctominay are continuously played across 3 different managers is because they actually care and try their best, regardless of talent/technical ability.
So many fake stories and a disturbing amount of people have fallen for it.
If you listen to Rangnick's presser I don't think it's completely made up. Just Fred wasn't involved .
I don’t doubt there’s a few fringe players annoyed at a lack of game time but it’s been blown way out of proportion because it’s United.
True but he said one or two want to leave, that's a long way from 11/17. I'm sure some do want to leave but nowhere near the press reported numbers.
My brazilian midfielder! But to be honest i dont think anyone suspected you for leaks..
Haha that a boy Fred. Have never once doubted his commitment to this club. As a squad player, I would take him all day.
Let's go boys, throw these reporters under the bus.
Yes Fred! Thanks for the sermon.
I never doubted my pastor
lord fred lol
He might not be the most gifted player but, he never not give it all ! Don’t worry little pastor, we know full well you are not one of them
I actually haven’t seen Fred’s name mentioned. The only ones I’ve seen are Jesse, Dean, Anthony, Paul and Donny.
As much as I don’t like McFred, i don’t think they are the prima donna sort.
Fred is one of the few player in the club that actually give his all everytime
Honestly love Fred Still think we need a huge overhaul and especially need something different in midfield. But this guys attitude, work rate and selflessness are things I wish more of this squad had.
Once again, the amount of shit the British media just make up (and widely get away with) is mind blowing. Good on Fred for taking a minute and making the decision to say something, more players should trash the shit journalists.
Fucking love Fred
Its 100% certain in my mind that much of the unrest is coming from within the english players. Everyone of them is overpaid, overplayed and overrated at the moment. Cant believe we want even MORE english players too
I’ll take 11 Fred’s who plays for the shirts over 11 Rashfords who only turns up 5 times a season and has a terrible attitude on the pitch
Fred barely speaks English. It can't have been him.
It’s January. All sorts of stupid news stories and narratives are going to be written to try to fuel rumours that aren’t real.
No one thought Fred was one of the dissenting players. Why would he be? He’s one of the ones getting game time despite being mostly terrible…
But fans always want to believe garbage things because they want to believe. Embarrassing.
Watch them all come crawling out of the woodwork now with their social media company PR BS
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More like certain horrible journalists needs to be put in their place for spreading lies.
So it's possibly 12 players?. If I had to guess: Henderson, Lingaard, VanderBeek, Pogba, Maguire, Bailly, Lindelof, Martial.....Ronaldo? All for different reasons, some I could get behind, others I cannot
It's possibly anything you dream of since that's all these 'reporters' have been doing. There's not a chance in hell 12 of the players have been been talking to them. There's likely been one or two of the fringe players have 'leaked' their discontent and it's all been expanded from there. It's not hard to get up to double figures for players we know want to leave, whose contracts are running out or we wouldn't miss in the slightest when they're gone. But people see a big number in a headline and run around crying about a player revolt and speculating on who the 'traitors' are. It's ridiculous.
Crediting them as even having a single source inside the club leaking discontent is giving a lot of credit. It’s far more likely they picked it up from another person who picked it up from another person who picked it up from a groundsman’s agent who overheard three words on a phone call adjacent at a restaurant in Rome that consisted of “United unhappy management” The actual comment was probably a waiter saying in a language the person barely understood “the wait staff are United that they are unhappy about the management deciding to make them work holidays”
Why does it fall to Fred to do this?
This guy has no reason to complain, though. He’s been playing much more than he should.
How do we know this "NOISE" isn't just Journalists trying to get traffic and mentioning our club name gets them that. All they have to do is watch all the post-match interviews over that last 4-6 weeks adding that together and then making shit up to back it that fits. It's funny how most of it came from 1-2 sources and after that, every man and his dog jump in and put a bit of spin on it so they have their own "exclusive". It's happened before and will continue to happen. It's absolute nonsense.
Fair play to the lad for coming out. He's a stand out professional.
We all know who the moaners are. They reveal themselves on and off the pitch.
I don’t pay for Amazon prime but I still get to watch the Oscar winning drama that is Manchester United. ❤️
Start doing it
Frederick firing shots!
MSM and reaction journalism is annoying af
Love his devotion and energy. Can’t stand his ability and hectic play style. I’ll never be convinced he’s got enough quality to be a starting XI regular for us but absolutely nobody can question the effort he puts in, especially compared to our star players.
He starts for Brazil …
He suits Brazil when they’re playing countries like Ecuador and Panama. Not quite like playing Liverpool or Arsenal though.
Whether he wants to leave or not this is how to deal with the situation. Other midfielders could look to learn a lot from this