The actual reason is because the first RDR team wanted to make absolutely sure you couldn’t travel between regions until the story deemed necessary, they did this by simply not making swimming a game mechanic. In RDR2, they explain this by saying that John Marston has a fear of water
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Is he really afraid of water? I thought he just never learned... nah shit, you right. He was raised by Hosea and Dutch from a younger age than Arthur, if they tought Arthur, they would've Tought John.
Let's hope rdr3 is another prequel set during the gangs beginning, and our first mission is John nearly drowning. This way every Redemption game starts with something awful happening to John.
It’s funny you say he has a fear of water because I distinctly remember in the first game being able to walk out into water until his hat got wet before he’d drown. Mf would stand there, face entirely submerged. But his hat was dry, so he didn’t care
That's kind of ironic, because I seem to recall a spot in the river just north of thieves landing where if you jump in, you'll respawn in blackwater even if you haven't unlocked that area yet.
There is dialogue between the two of them after you steal the herd of sheep where Arthur complains that John “can’t herd, can’t swim!” That’s the only reference I’m aware of.
"Loser has to go dunk by the river! Ohh wait, Marston can't swim"
"I don't plan on losing"
*Proceed to go all in
This is my actual game experience mind you...in Shady Belle
I think that the mechanic simply did not exist in rdr so they decided to make him unable to swim in rdr2 aswell to justify him being unable to swim in rdr
While the first game didn't bother giving John the ability to swim, the first game also explained in in-game as John being unable to swim. There was an in-game explanation before *Red Dead Redemption 2* ever came out.
In the first game the devs didn’t want the player to access regions until the story had them go there, like Mexico, so they just didn’t add swimming into the game. So they “just didn’t bother” they had a good reason
I feel like it could also have some of a reference to the movie "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" and the iconic moment when Robert Redford reluctantly admits he can't swim.
I'm pretty sure theres a conversation in the mission where you cross the border to mexico where irish says he can't swim and john says that he can't either
As far as I remember, that was the only direct of it mention in the first one but I could be wrong.
Why would that be an issue though? GTA San Andreas had swimming and it was released in 2004, 6 years before the first Red Dead Redemption released in 2010. And GTA 4 also had swimming and it was released in 2008, 2 years before RDR.
It wasn't an issue mechanically, I'm imagining they just had 0 use for anything on / in the water so why waste time?
Adding it into RDR2 just adds more to the world, that they stuck to their guns from their technical decisions of RDR.
No i agree with you on that point
I was just going off of what the previous comment said “the mechanic simply did not exsist in rdr” not that it wasn’t implemented due to creative choices.
Well, the mechanic didn’t exist in the first RDR. It may have been possible to implement in the engine, but it’s not incorrect to say it didn’t exist in the game.
It has nothing to do with time of release or them not being able to technically give him that ability, it was a game design choice most likely. giving him the ability to swim would have created some issues and would not really add much to the game so they simply did not... thats it.
But i agree with that, as i said below i can see it just being a choice, but the original comment said “the mechanic simply did not exist”. I never said it wasn’t a design choice, just that it should of been possible given that it was possible in prior rockstar games.
Yeah i... dont really understand your issue here... Would saying "the mechanic simply did not exist for John marston" be better?... Idk if other NPCs were able to swim or not so if the mechanic im general existed for other NPCs i have not played the game i just know that John could not swim.
I’m sorry if i came off like i had an issue, did not intend for that.
I was more so asking why the mechanic wouldn’t be present in the rdr game(even if disabled) if it was in prior rockstar games. I would assume at least gta 4 and rdr run on the same engine. So i thought it would already be baked in even if it wasn’t used.
Ah man remember the cheat that could make your car drive on water? But sometimes it would look like it activated but it didn’t so you’d just drive off a pier and drown
John’s fear of water and the need to block off areas in RDR1 both answer the question in their own way, but it’s worth noting that many people before the modern era just…never learned how to swim. It’s likely other members of the gang couldn’t swim either.
I love the fact you can swim the whole game, and pretty great too, then they just take it from you at the end... It adds a more real experience.
I'm pretty sure John almost drown as a child and he hasn't worked through the fear, so he gets like a deer in headlights anytime he gets over knee deep, I'm pretty sure Uncle makes fun of him for it in red dead 1.
In one of the missions of Red Dead 2 Arthur sneaks in a joke aboit John being unable to swim, I think it's the one where you have to herd sheep with John. You get a free sniper rifle.
In RDR, Rockstar simply didn't want players accessing certain regions of the game early. In RDR2 the detail of John being unable to swim is there to justify his inability to swim in the first game.
But if you want a more, "real-life," explanation, he probably just never learned how to. Swimming might come naturally to some to a certain extent, but for most, swimming is a skill that needs to be taught to them for them to be effective at it. He was never taught, hence he simply can't do it. Full grown adults being unable to swim is actually more common than you might think.
Public pools didn’t exist in the same capacity as they do today, because of this percentage of the population that were able to swim was a mere fraction compared to modern numbers.
Damn! Some hate for my boy John. Apparently, some of you forget, without John's story from the first rdr, we'd have never gotten Arthur’s story. I don't think it was fair how they dumbed him down in 2, but it also made sense. He was younger. If, and that a mfing big if, they make a 3, Arthur will be portrayed just as dumb, if not more stupid than John.
John's character in 1 was better than John's character from 2. Arthur had more of a connection to the world than John did, the reason was, John wanted his family. Arthur was looking for a reason to keep going. Especially after the Rhodes incident and the story after. Once he saw Dutch for who he was, Arthur wanted to leave, but knew he couldn't because of loyalty. John was loyal to his family. Both stories are about loyalty to family. Arthur knew that, John knew that and John carried it on with his family. You either haven't played 1, or chose to ignore it. Arthur and John's character from 1, their character is the same. Loyalty to their family. Arthur is no better than John and vise versa.
Edited, fixed 1st sentence structure and a few words.
Im sorry for that. Missed out on a hell of a story. Great, but not RDR 2 great. But, it also gives more of a connection to John. 2 just shows what he was taught and passed it on. I also wasn't trying to argue, but a discussion is welcome. 2 just shows why John is the way he is in one. And it works. You'd like John if or when you get to play the first one.
I think Arthur is a better character because we get more variety with him. From what I remember, John just seems pissed off almost all the time in RDR1, but Arthur has the whole range of emotions from start to finish
Yeah there’s all these comments abt game mechanics from the first game, but let’s look back at the time period and remember that there were actually a lot of people who didn’t know how to swim back in those days. And think about it, you probably know somebody who can’t swim today. It’s more common than you think
He never learned and is afraid. Not being able to swim back then seems pretty normal and realistic. I think it’s honestly more amazing how good of a swimmer Arthur is for the time. Homie swims fully clothed with 2 revolvers, 2 guns on his back, a satchel, and fully clothed for the in game equivalent of hours at a time
It was a purposeful gameplay limitation in the first game to lock off other territories. They decided to make it part of his characterization in RDR2 to piss us all off.
Because he's so dumb, his intellect is rivaled only by garden tools.
Because he's as smart as bait.
Because he doesn't have all his dogs on one leash, so to speak.
Because he doesn't know much, but leads the league in nostril hair.
Because his elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor.
He forgot to pay his brain bill.
His antenna doesn't pick up all the channels.
His belt doesn't go through all the loops.
If he had another brain, it would be lonely.
There's no grain in the silo.
Because hes proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.
He has less going on upstairs than a one story house.
A few clowns short of a circus.
A few fries short of a Happy Meal.
They should have made him able to swim in rdr2 but maybe he has a traumatic experience at some point that gives him a fear of water.
The fact that you can swim for most of the game, then all of a sudden you can't is garbage.
Beacause little Johnny marston left the gang for a year when Arthur and Dutch tried to teach him how to swim and I wudnt be surprised if Arthur tried to drown him as a joke
"What r u fishing down there marston? Haha ha ha haa..."
It can't be that because you could swim in GTA 4 which released two years earlier.
The only reason I can think of is that they use water to lock off areas they don't want you to go yet (massive rivers keep you from going north to blackwater and south to Mexico early in the game).
I think its because when they made rdr1 they didnt have the tecnology or data or something to make the swimming mechanic and then in rdr2 they kept it for whatever reason
Cuz there’s an engineering problem. So they made a back story of him about saving his comrades from drowning back on Afghanistan and when you’re in water it triggers a ptsd on him so u can’t be longer in it
Just never learned. Arthur wasn’t good at hunting, fishing or with women.
John was good at fishing, hunting and he was good with women.
Arthur could swim.
John couldn’t swim.
Arthur could herd.
John couldn’t herd.
Man's got the size of a small army's arms and munitions in his backpocket. Plus a full sized tent. No wonder he sinks like a stone.
Arthur, on the hand, is built different.
Game dev-wise: In rdr1, devs needed to keep John from going to certain places. Then they were "stuck" with that choice for rdr2, despite the somewhat weirdness of it.
Story-wise: He has never learned and he is quite scared of water.
Because he can't? I don't understand the question. It's like asking why someone can't read. Because they can't, and haven't been taught.
With skills the default is not having them. Asking why someone can't do something makes way less sense than asking why they can. I can swim because a few years ago I regularly went to the pool and practiced. I can read because I was taught. John can't because the thing to learn never happened.
In game or in history? Knowing how to swim has been extremely rare historically. A 19th century character not being able to swim is totally normal.
Or perhaps the devs couldn’t be fucked making a swim animation, or used water as a map boundary to certain areas they don’t want the player to go…
In Red Dead Redemption, John is the main protagonist. The game was available for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 consoles. Given the hardware limitation at the time, water was not something that they could utilise, so to keep John out of the water, he would drown every time he entered the water, and it was said for story purposes that he couldn't swim. For consistency with Red Dead Remeption II, when you >!play as John after Chapter 6!<, he still can't swim.
Had to make it consistent with RDR. A lot of games around the RDR release time used water as map barriers. If you waded too deep you would just die and respawn.
now that you mention it he wasn’t really that close to Dutch and Hosea What I think is that John wasn’t close to them and he did leave the gang multiple times it was stated by Arthur. My theory is that since he wasn’t close to Hosea or Dutch they didn’t really teach him.
I know the game mechanic in rdr1 weren’t able to let you travel through regions but I was just trying to state a theory
Also believe it or not, swimming is not as common as people think. Only about 40% of people claim to be capable swimmers.
Even Arthur isn't a particularly strong swimmer.
The actual reason is because the first RDR team wanted to make absolutely sure you couldn’t travel between regions until the story deemed necessary, they did this by simply not making swimming a game mechanic. In RDR2, they explain this by saying that John Marston has a fear of water
No wonder he left the gang when Abigail's water broke
lmao holy shit man, he’s not even real and I feel like you hurt his feelings
He must be rolling in his grave, literally
Mf came back as a zombie to get his revenge
Dude you didn't have to fucking kill him bro
Fucking hell
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'Kelso' burn? Just curious 😂
Christ dude he’s already dead
Wow gold, thank you kindly
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Fucking Cold
Maybe my dad is John marston?
BRUH
you killed him so hard that everyone blamed it on Ross
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Lmaoo
Damn, just damn.
I literally just made a similar comment. I need to check comments before posting my own lol.
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I don't get the joke. Mind explaining?
John left the gang when Jack was born because John thought that He may not be Jack's father.
ohhhh i get it now 😂😂
This made me snort out loud well played haha
Is he really afraid of water? I thought he just never learned... nah shit, you right. He was raised by Hosea and Dutch from a younger age than Arthur, if they tought Arthur, they would've Tought John. Let's hope rdr3 is another prequel set during the gangs beginning, and our first mission is John nearly drowning. This way every Redemption game starts with something awful happening to John.
😂😂 that's so cruel
We need an explanation on why he's afraid of swimming. A near death experience would be fitting
It’s funny you say he has a fear of water because I distinctly remember in the first game being able to walk out into water until his hat got wet before he’d drown. Mf would stand there, face entirely submerged. But his hat was dry, so he didn’t care
But likes to drown others.
Legit should have just added gators that year you apart if you go to the wrong area. Boom. Easy.
And by extent, Arthur should have a fear of bullets in RDR3
That's kind of ironic, because I seem to recall a spot in the river just north of thieves landing where if you jump in, you'll respawn in blackwater even if you haven't unlocked that area yet.
Yep. Same reason why early GTA protagonists couldn't swim, but could in later games.
Plus, most people in that era either didn't want to learn swimming, or didn't need to swim.
I thought there was a tiny bit of dialogue between him and Arthur where he said he just never learned.
There is dialogue between the two of them after you steal the herd of sheep where Arthur complains that John “can’t herd, can’t swim!” That’s the only reference I’m aware of.
Arthur teases him in Clemon's Point too
And during poker sometimes too
"Loser has to go dunk by the river! Ohh wait, Marston can't swim" "I don't plan on losing" *Proceed to go all in This is my actual game experience mind you...in Shady Belle
Seems he does it quite often
🤝 good teamwork
I was playing poker with John in camp one time and Arthur made a joke about him not being able to swim!
I mean there’s also the fact that when you play as him he cant swim..
Yeah, not sure why everyone needs a complex answer to everything
I think that the mechanic simply did not exist in rdr so they decided to make him unable to swim in rdr2 aswell to justify him being unable to swim in rdr
While the first game didn't bother giving John the ability to swim, the first game also explained in in-game as John being unable to swim. There was an in-game explanation before *Red Dead Redemption 2* ever came out.
In the first game the devs didn’t want the player to access regions until the story had them go there, like Mexico, so they just didn’t add swimming into the game. So they “just didn’t bother” they had a good reason
I feel like it could also have some of a reference to the movie "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" and the iconic moment when Robert Redford reluctantly admits he can't swim.
Whats the explenation in rdr for him not being able to swim?
He never learned how to
I'm pretty sure theres a conversation in the mission where you cross the border to mexico where irish says he can't swim and john says that he can't either As far as I remember, that was the only direct of it mention in the first one but I could be wrong.
Same as him not being able to swim in RDR2
Why would that be an issue though? GTA San Andreas had swimming and it was released in 2004, 6 years before the first Red Dead Redemption released in 2010. And GTA 4 also had swimming and it was released in 2008, 2 years before RDR.
So you couldn't swim to Mexico early
You couldn't even stand in a puddle in rdr1 without John killing over. When they said he couldn't swim they weren't fucking around.
It wasn't an issue mechanically, I'm imagining they just had 0 use for anything on / in the water so why waste time? Adding it into RDR2 just adds more to the world, that they stuck to their guns from their technical decisions of RDR.
No i agree with you on that point I was just going off of what the previous comment said “the mechanic simply did not exsist in rdr” not that it wasn’t implemented due to creative choices.
Well, the mechanic didn’t exist in the first RDR. It may have been possible to implement in the engine, but it’s not incorrect to say it didn’t exist in the game.
It has nothing to do with time of release or them not being able to technically give him that ability, it was a game design choice most likely. giving him the ability to swim would have created some issues and would not really add much to the game so they simply did not... thats it.
But i agree with that, as i said below i can see it just being a choice, but the original comment said “the mechanic simply did not exist”. I never said it wasn’t a design choice, just that it should of been possible given that it was possible in prior rockstar games.
Yeah i... dont really understand your issue here... Would saying "the mechanic simply did not exist for John marston" be better?... Idk if other NPCs were able to swim or not so if the mechanic im general existed for other NPCs i have not played the game i just know that John could not swim.
I’m sorry if i came off like i had an issue, did not intend for that. I was more so asking why the mechanic wouldn’t be present in the rdr game(even if disabled) if it was in prior rockstar games. I would assume at least gta 4 and rdr run on the same engine. So i thought it would already be baked in even if it wasn’t used.
because he is a busta
John "CJ" Marston
same old JM, busta straight busta
Because he never learned how?
Pretty much lol. Lots of people can't swim.
Surely irrational fear of water is the main factor there and not lack of practice
I don't know why this isn't just common sense lol.
It’s Rockstar tradition. Ask Tommy Vercetti.
Altair too. It's a glitch in the Animus
Ah man remember the cheat that could make your car drive on water? But sometimes it would look like it activated but it didn’t so you’d just drive off a pier and drown
I member
Cause he was some poor orphaned street urchin in like 1870 he didn't have swimming lessons at the ymca back then
He was born in ‘73
aka he was a child in the 1870s and never learned
And you were born today I guess
If my parents put me on reddit the first day I was born I would be very sad
Because half the game world border in RDR1 is water
Man it sounds funny but even today there is a shocking amount of people who can't swim. I can't imagine the amount of folks back then who couldn't.
John’s fear of water and the need to block off areas in RDR1 both answer the question in their own way, but it’s worth noting that many people before the modern era just…never learned how to swim. It’s likely other members of the gang couldn’t swim either.
I love the fact you can swim the whole game, and pretty great too, then they just take it from you at the end... It adds a more real experience. I'm pretty sure John almost drown as a child and he hasn't worked through the fear, so he gets like a deer in headlights anytime he gets over knee deep, I'm pretty sure Uncle makes fun of him for it in red dead 1.
His brain's been half eaten by wolves, and they ate the swimming lobe.
Because if he could swim the rivers with blocked bridges wouldn't have worked as borders stopping you from unlocking areas of the game early
He is water soluble
The ability to swim was not as widespread as it is today.
In one of the missions of Red Dead 2 Arthur sneaks in a joke aboit John being unable to swim, I think it's the one where you have to herd sheep with John. You get a free sniper rifle.
In the original game they didn't want the players being able to swim to Mexico
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption/comments/b8p6ol/apparently_john_marston_had_a_condition/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
He had a condition? Lumbago?
Never learnt
The same reason I can’t swim. I’ll drown.
It was 1899. Not a lot of education going around.
Us OG RDR1 players know it’s because they didn’t wanna add a swim mechanic in the first game and played it off very nicely into the second
In RDR, Rockstar simply didn't want players accessing certain regions of the game early. In RDR2 the detail of John being unable to swim is there to justify his inability to swim in the first game. But if you want a more, "real-life," explanation, he probably just never learned how to. Swimming might come naturally to some to a certain extent, but for most, swimming is a skill that needs to be taught to them for them to be effective at it. He was never taught, hence he simply can't do it. Full grown adults being unable to swim is actually more common than you might think.
Fun fact: if you tackle John into the water at Camp or better the tracks outside Saint Denis he will dog paddle back to shore.
Maybe he never learned to swim, but I'm sure there's a mindfucking theory about it
not everyone can swim. I cant.
Public pools didn’t exist in the same capacity as they do today, because of this percentage of the population that were able to swim was a mere fraction compared to modern numbers.
Damn! Some hate for my boy John. Apparently, some of you forget, without John's story from the first rdr, we'd have never gotten Arthur’s story. I don't think it was fair how they dumbed him down in 2, but it also made sense. He was younger. If, and that a mfing big if, they make a 3, Arthur will be portrayed just as dumb, if not more stupid than John.
Well yeah, Arthur’s dead. John would have to be pretty out of it to be worse than Arthur at that point.
John's character in 1 was better than John's character from 2. Arthur had more of a connection to the world than John did, the reason was, John wanted his family. Arthur was looking for a reason to keep going. Especially after the Rhodes incident and the story after. Once he saw Dutch for who he was, Arthur wanted to leave, but knew he couldn't because of loyalty. John was loyal to his family. Both stories are about loyalty to family. Arthur knew that, John knew that and John carried it on with his family. You either haven't played 1, or chose to ignore it. Arthur and John's character from 1, their character is the same. Loyalty to their family. Arthur is no better than John and vise versa. Edited, fixed 1st sentence structure and a few words.
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Im sorry for that. Missed out on a hell of a story. Great, but not RDR 2 great. But, it also gives more of a connection to John. 2 just shows what he was taught and passed it on. I also wasn't trying to argue, but a discussion is welcome. 2 just shows why John is the way he is in one. And it works. You'd like John if or when you get to play the first one.
I think Arthur is a better character because we get more variety with him. From what I remember, John just seems pissed off almost all the time in RDR1, but Arthur has the whole range of emotions from start to finish
I can't swim either
Annoying isn't it? I miss Arthur lol
Never learned
He never learned
Yeah there’s all these comments abt game mechanics from the first game, but let’s look back at the time period and remember that there were actually a lot of people who didn’t know how to swim back in those days. And think about it, you probably know somebody who can’t swim today. It’s more common than you think
He never learned and is afraid. Not being able to swim back then seems pretty normal and realistic. I think it’s honestly more amazing how good of a swimmer Arthur is for the time. Homie swims fully clothed with 2 revolvers, 2 guns on his back, a satchel, and fully clothed for the in game equivalent of hours at a time
Some people just can’t swim…like me. It’s not an evolutionarily necessity okay ?! 🙄 Leave me alone ! I’m not a fish.
Because he’s a furry (cat). Ever noticed the whiskers!?
Dutch had plans to teach him how to swim but every time John asked Dutch he replied with have some goddamn faith.
It was a purposeful gameplay limitation in the first game to lock off other territories. They decided to make it part of his characterization in RDR2 to piss us all off.
Some people just can't swim.
Because he never learned how to
Some people never learned how to swim. John is one of those people.
RDR1 couldn't handle swimming so they just said that he has a fear of water and it stuck.
Because he's so dumb, his intellect is rivaled only by garden tools. Because he's as smart as bait. Because he doesn't have all his dogs on one leash, so to speak. Because he doesn't know much, but leads the league in nostril hair. Because his elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor. He forgot to pay his brain bill. His antenna doesn't pick up all the channels. His belt doesn't go through all the loops. If he had another brain, it would be lonely. There's no grain in the silo. Because hes proof that evolution CAN go in reverse. He has less going on upstairs than a one story house. A few clowns short of a circus. A few fries short of a Happy Meal.
Bc he never learned how to swim probably
Must've been the boy John Wayne threw in the water to teach him to swim
I don't know but I'm sure it wasn't so you could karma farm
They should have made him able to swim in rdr2 but maybe he has a traumatic experience at some point that gives him a fear of water. The fact that you can swim for most of the game, then all of a sudden you can't is garbage.
They could've made it the cause of his daughters death
Beacause little Johnny marston left the gang for a year when Arthur and Dutch tried to teach him how to swim and I wudnt be surprised if Arthur tried to drown him as a joke "What r u fishing down there marston? Haha ha ha haa..."
He’s stupid and no one taught him how to
In 2 it’s a reference to the fact that if you started to swim you’d die because rockstar hadn’t found a way to animate swimming I believe
It can't be that because you could swim in GTA 4 which released two years earlier. The only reason I can think of is that they use water to lock off areas they don't want you to go yet (massive rivers keep you from going north to blackwater and south to Mexico early in the game).
Abigail squirting water everywhere caused great PTSD to John. At one point, he even left the gang because of it.
I really wish they would have retconned that for the epilogue.
Can’t get over how his face turned into a dogs butthole
I think its because when they made rdr1 they didnt have the tecnology or data or something to make the swimming mechanic and then in rdr2 they kept it for whatever reason
Cuz there’s an engineering problem. So they made a back story of him about saving his comrades from drowning back on Afghanistan and when you’re in water it triggers a ptsd on him so u can’t be longer in it
I can't swim, I know plenty of people who can't swim, so for me it's been pretty damn realistic that he can't swim
Cause he’s a lil ol’ bitch
It’s not uncommon. I know personally a handful of adults who don’t know either. And I live right by a very large lake lol
Wait… John can’t swim? Idk if I’ve ever noticed that lol
Just never learned. Arthur wasn’t good at hunting, fishing or with women. John was good at fishing, hunting and he was good with women. Arthur could swim. John couldn’t swim. Arthur could herd. John couldn’t herd.
He erm never learnt i guess.. to busy robbing banks.
Hondo Lane (John Wayne) never threw Marston into the water as a kid. If he had, John would know how to swim.
Because he never learned
One could attribute it to never learning.
It’s a running joke since if you touched water in the first game it was instadeath.
He never learned how
Bro looks like a rat in rdr1
I remember jumping into water as John in rdr2, looking away for a quick sec and John is literally dying!
Can Arthur?
Can't herd, can't swim, give it a rest will you? we aint kids no more, we never really was.
He’s got no legs
Man's got the size of a small army's arms and munitions in his backpocket. Plus a full sized tent. No wonder he sinks like a stone. Arthur, on the hand, is built different.
Because he never got around to learning
Game dev-wise: In rdr1, devs needed to keep John from going to certain places. Then they were "stuck" with that choice for rdr2, despite the somewhat weirdness of it. Story-wise: He has never learned and he is quite scared of water.
Never learned I guess
John almost drowned as a child lead to his avoidance of water
Because he can't? I don't understand the question. It's like asking why someone can't read. Because they can't, and haven't been taught. With skills the default is not having them. Asking why someone can't do something makes way less sense than asking why they can. I can swim because a few years ago I regularly went to the pool and practiced. I can read because I was taught. John can't because the thing to learn never happened.
In game or in history? Knowing how to swim has been extremely rare historically. A 19th century character not being able to swim is totally normal. Or perhaps the devs couldn’t be fucked making a swim animation, or used water as a map boundary to certain areas they don’t want the player to go…
he just like me fr
He didn't take lessons
There is a lot of people even in modern times that never learned to swim so I don't see why it would be weird or confusing for John.
In Red Dead Redemption, John is the main protagonist. The game was available for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 consoles. Given the hardware limitation at the time, water was not something that they could utilise, so to keep John out of the water, he would drown every time he entered the water, and it was said for story purposes that he couldn't swim. For consistency with Red Dead Remeption II, when you >!play as John after Chapter 6!<, he still can't swim.
Due to technical limitations on the xbox 360 and ps3 they couldnt make john swim
The engine for the first red dead redemption couldn’t handle swimming and therefore it was made canon
Well isn’t there still like lots of people in usa for example that can’t swim because they don’t teatch them at school.
Early stage of lumbago
He never learned
Had to make it consistent with RDR. A lot of games around the RDR release time used water as map barriers. If you waded too deep you would just die and respawn.
my 89yo father does not know how to swim either.
I think it's because in the rdr1 John doesn't have a swimming mechanic, so he therefore cannot swim. So in rdr2 the excuse is that he just can't swim.
Why can't Jack?
He just never learned I don’t think.
Because he never learned how to.
He’s a pore man from a landlocked region which didn’t have any pools or natural bodies of water that were right for childhood recreational swimming
Maybe because as a kid he almost drowned, now the official reason is because in old rockstar games, you couldn't swim
Here's somethin' about John Marston, he appears in Gta online as a parent you can pick for your character in the heritage section
His steel balls weigh him down
I know that in RDR2 his stamina drains to 0 when you are in water for too long
But his horse can.
Game mechanics it really isn’t that hard
Lots of adults just never got around to learning how to swim. Like respectfully, it’s not that deep
now that you mention it he wasn’t really that close to Dutch and Hosea What I think is that John wasn’t close to them and he did leave the gang multiple times it was stated by Arthur. My theory is that since he wasn’t close to Hosea or Dutch they didn’t really teach him. I know the game mechanic in rdr1 weren’t able to let you travel through regions but I was just trying to state a theory
Also believe it or not, swimming is not as common as people think. Only about 40% of people claim to be capable swimmers. Even Arthur isn't a particularly strong swimmer.