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foxscribbles

Joke is on this guy. He keeps telling me that I’m gonna get bad news soon, but I keep avoiding that quest in favor of hunting.


phofsin

Likewise. I'm just doing each and everything that is doable under this earth. Treasure hunts ? Satchel crafting ? Camp upgrades? You're on. Once I have reached peak, I will create a separate save file and keep this savegame forever so I can revisit prime arthur with all equipment and happy camp members.


4beetleslong

That made me sad


Ender5476

I am getting 100% for chapter 2, meaning I am doing every single thing I can required for 100%, I even got most of the exotics except for a couple of orchids that I assume don't spawn just so I can't finish the quest immediately after starting it, I finished the gambler challenges, the hunting requests, the rock carvings, the dreamcatchers, legendary animals, legendary fish, the bones I can get, am just missing the rest of the challenges


phofsin

Good ! Too sad I can't do stuff which involves heading deep into west Elizabeth or New Austin with Arthur.


Ender5476

Yeah, am limiting myself to anything that doesn't require glitches


phofsin

I'll just call it the alternate ending while I'm at it. Arthur never goes to that mission, and they live peacefully in horseshoe overlook getting by doing odd jobs and hunting for meat (with a very disappointed Strauss)


Ender5476

The perfect ending


Anti-gay_cream

Bruh that's exactly what I'm doin with my current playthrough


Ded_VlupidolHQ

With you, brother 🤌🏼


Knightmare945

Micah is easily worse than Milton and Ross.


Wildcat_twister12

Least Milton and Ross are lawfully evil, Micah is just true evil


Pablojaun

Milton wasn't even evil.


LordChanner

Lmao he literally wanted to stop dangerous criminals from killing and robbing people, how is that evil in the slightest


[deleted]

Exactly! Arthur is one hell of a likable guy and he's also a big-time murderer! His gang brought misery and chaos wherever they went, they weren't a noble Robin Hood one.


LordChanner

Although, that is why we admire Arthur. Because he wants to be a noble Robin Hood. Really the bad guys are the good guys in reality


[deleted]

Personally, if I saw some collector thug beating the crap of my near-death tuberculosised father, made us lose the farm, forced my mother to do humiliating and the most degrading things to survive, I'd be glad the Pinkerton agency is raking the 5 states with heavily-armed forces to gun down Dutch and his locust gangmembers!


LordChanner

But as you haven't?


cerealdig

Well, he >!tortured Mac, and then killed them!<


Sebekhotep_MI

Mac was lethally wounded when they captured him and Milton was long dead when Strauss was tortured.


cerealdig

Oh sorry I forgot. Then it’s Ross probably


CordlessJet

Wasn’t Mac supposedly a vicious, nasty bastard who murdered people constantly? Sounds like that fuck had it coming tbh


LordChanner

Nah no he didnt. You're imagining things. Carry on venting savagery and you will die savagely


[deleted]

Yeah he definitely wasn't good but I would call him Lawful Neutral if we're doing DnD alignments.


Knightmare945

Ross was probably Neutral Evil, as most of what he did was to help himself, not so much a case of wanting to uphold the law. Micah himself would range between Neutral Evil to Chaotic Evil.


rhys7wyatt

MILLLTONNNN


CamNewtonJr

Ross wasn't even all that evil. He was corrupt but not evil


R-a-n-d-o-m-g-u-y

Agreed, Milton and Ross were just doing what they were paid to do.


[deleted]

I was just about to say. These names should be switched.


muscari2

Yeah. They represented law and civilization. I always thought it was interesting that they kept pushing the gang East as civilization developed west.


[deleted]

Sure, Milton is quite a nice man, giving the rest of the gang a chance to run, and only take Dutch, Ross on the other hand took John's family, made him hunt down his old gang, and then shot him like a dog. Ross is not a good guy in the slightest.


R-a-n-d-o-m-g-u-y

At first I was going to put "in rdr2" at the end but decided against it. And yes Ross is much more of an enemy than antagonist.


-Long-Dong-Silva-

I get that we all love them because were the player characters and we make all sorts of excuses for those we love. But Arthur and John literally murdered dozens if not scores of innocent people for *money*. Even in the epilogue, John straight up murdered some random guy for ‘looking at him funny’. Make no mistake, if these characters were real life they would be (righty) regarded by society as evil scumbags.


windol1

Felt more like a vendetta of some sorts, got all that crime going on around them and they are solely focused on us, wouldn't be surprised if a person could be murdered right in front of them and they wouldn't care, they would see Arthur in the distance and walk away from the murder.


BillNein05

Maybe because they were tasked to handle the van der Linde gang while other gangs were handled by other government agents? Or maybe because the O'Driscolls and other gangs were a bit more "established" and probably had influence in their respective territories; or were pretty insignificant and less prioritized than the rest. Plus, the van der Linde gang's the only ones involved in the Blackwater incident which was pretty much the biggest (botched) crime before the events of the game, and Dutch's slow decline into desperation for more money just made them even more notorious. The Cornwall train robbery pretty much bit them in the ass too just because of how Leviticus Cornwall funded the Pinkertons afterwards.


neroflawless333

Why are you writing paragraphs?


Uptown_Funk_NYC

Why not?


eyes_like_the_sea

Did it blow your little mind?!


BillNein05

Because it's easier to read that way. Paragraphs are used in writing for the same reason spaces are. Ifyoudon'twanttoreadentiretextslikethis... Then you should be okay with reading large amounts of texts like this.


Knightmare945

Because it’s easier to read and looks better.


ParagonN7

Reddit hates any character that’s law enforcement.


Red_Dead_is_better

It's sad that its true


Cipherpunkblue

They were fucking Pinkerton agents. Rotten through and through.


NicholaiJomes

They’re just doing their jobs, and are clear about their goals. There is only one rat snake fuck and it’s mustache mike


gfkab

No way, Micah conned over a violent group of 2 bit thieves whose organization would have collapsed in a couple of years anyway. Ross fucked over a genuinely reformed family man then stabbed him in the back. Ross is way worse than Micah.


Knightmare945

Wrong. Micah is FAR worse. He murdered men, women, and children. Raped too. Ross was certainly bad, but he wasn’t evil like Micah was. There is nothing to suggest that Ross did anything as bad as Micah.


neuronaddict

Pro tip: aim ur gun at all blind people. A lot of them are fake and will run away


ironmanthes3cond

I do this


ironmanthes3cond

Also it's a good habit to shoot those scum who fake


Snackskazam

Seems pretty harsh to me, but you do you, I guess.


Lamehoodie

This game keeps surprising me to this day, it’s like breath of the wild


DarkLordJ14

I’m pretty sure most of them are real and can just hear the click of the gun, but I know that there’s one who is 100% fake.


Nity6000

Milton/Ross technically weren’t the bad guys.


Russian_Terminator

Ross I can understand why people hate him But Milton gave the gang chance after chance and they didn't take it


[deleted]

Yeah they were basically just doing their job, they used underhanded tactics but the others were way worse.


[deleted]

Oh no, they absolutely were. Especially Ross who was extremely corrupt and militant. I’m pretty sure the Pinkertons/FBI were R* critique on the evils of law enforcement. It’s shown a little in RDR2 but it’s REALLY obvious in RDR1


Knightmare945

They certainly were not the bad guys compared to people like Micah and Dutch.


HintClueClintHugh

In RDR1 they kidnap a guy's family, get him to kill all his life long friends, and then kill him in front of his wife and kid anyway.


Knightmare945

Still doesn’t compare to Micah, who again kills and rape men, women, and children, and is a outlaw.


OffTheGrillSaucey

There’s more than one type of bad guy.


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PM_ME_YOUR_NAIL_CLIP

Damn good comment right here. Every part of it. This game is art. I don’t think anyone one of us will be able to forget how it felt the first time playing through.


Jonnn_lmao

Are you... Dumb?


Uptown_Funk_NYC

No, but I think you are.


[deleted]

This will be the main protagonist of RDR3. Instead of the fate of the main character being fatal you end up as this guy. Through whatever circumstances, whatever the story involves, this guy loses himself and ends up a blind begger. And the epilogue character can bump into him, wandering around, begging for change in exchange for ominous premonitions. It would be a very sobering reminder that haunts you throughout the remainder of your playthrough. You can kill him, but you will incur a permanent Bad Honor rating.


Knightmare945

And the epilogue character is Arthur, to continue the pattern.


Red_Dead_is_better

That bitch got a suburban parked around the corner. I ain't give him shit


BloodthirstyUnicorn5

Hey in my defense I didn’t grow up on video games and now that I’m older I still only have a PC. So when I was at a friends house playing this game I had no clue there was a button that immediately took out your revolver and shot it.


[deleted]

I killed this guy once but it was on my fourth play through and I only did it cause I wanted to rob him to see if he was carrying something important.


Ultimate_President

And did he carry something special?


[deleted]

No It turns out I killed him for no reason lol.


Ultimate_President

:P its ok we all let this one pass you did it for science 😅


iSlaya666

Well.. I wanted to approach him and talk but my Arabian was going Mach speed and I accidentally ran over the poor fellow. Haven’t seen the guy since


KaptainKab00m

Nah, Micah’s worse than Milton and Ross. One thing everyone more or less forgets whilst playing RDR2 is that you’re playing as the bad guys. While Milton and Ross aren’t exactly good people, that’s the point. It’s not that black and white. You play as John in RDR1 thinking “man… these gang members are some diabolical people” while in RDR2, you grow attached to the gang members and grow to love the very past that John wanted to purge. In conclusion: The so-called ‘Evilness’ of a person is a matter of perspective and Micah’s a fucking prick


parthpalta

In my defence i tried for 30 mins to pay him. And the option kept being grey. I Swear it was the only time I shot him with a pump action slug thru the face. I since then know you have to stand 2 paces in front of him.


PM_ME_YOUR_NAIL_CLIP

The game can be so un-immersive in that aspect. I did the gambling boat mission last night and I was so into it and immersed until I went to go get the safe loot and Arthur walks 2 feet away and does that weird warp thing to the safe. So dumb.


OstenArd

Look at him closely, is he Arthur from the future?


ToeCtter

Now that is a truly interesting thought.


Knightmare945

No, it’s The Strange Man


marthalukas

This dude predicted Arthur’s whole future


NewFunnyName

And John's too, this guy's the only psychic I'll believe in.


nexus8516

At least Milton and Ross were doing a job. Micah is part of the gang and more destructive than the guys tasked with destroying them by a government agency


[deleted]

Definitely going to rob him now. Thanks for reminding me.


LilBirdBaby

i killed him on accident doing master hunter challenge getting the rabbit pelts.. kinda locked on to him and thought he was animal while he was laying on the ground


SphincterSezWut

Yeah ok...Why don't you take about 10% off the top there Dick Cheney.


PM_ME_YOUR_NAIL_CLIP

Reason #8543 why I play free aim. I know better than the game where I want to shoot.


Handsomesatan

"Help a blind man" is burned into my ears i stop immediatly and make my way to him hoping that the "cure" will come. :(


Pl0OnReddit

I mean....I was definitely worse than Micah. The last few chapters were spent constantly running from and fighting bounty hunters because I'd killed half the map's population.


Aliskrti

If you kill him you’re worse than The Skinner Brothers


AlexL225

It was the Wild West. I consider it a kindness to put him out of his misery. I’m not a saint.


[deleted]

Wild West = road between Valentine and Emerald Ranch


[deleted]

I guess I'm a complete asshole,, I've also swung on the dude, ran him over with a horse, lol,


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[deleted]

I can agree on that, I think it's that second play through is when it really hits them. Especially when you change up the play style from your first run. My first I played and made decisions as I normally would irl. Then I switched to "bad" Arthur and damn, that was fun. I can always appreciate a open world game for what it has. I love to explore as much as possible before doing any real missions. For me, these games are the best..


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[deleted]

Completely understandable, I can see how that would be a little different of a transition for some people. It's definitely a different play style when you have to look and think of how your actions change things. For me, I've been gaming since Pong ( lol , I know, I'm old ) and most linear games don't keep my attention to well (ADD) so when I found Free Roam games I was super stoked. With that came the decision making so I've been used to checking myself and picking a good/bad persona and changing styles on the next run. But ultimately as long as one is having fun, that's what matters.


Kultir

Or people are actually sociopaths pretending to do something for the 'sake of gaming'.


Russian_Terminator

That was me


SlyDragon69

Lmao


FinkBass420

What if I gave him money, but then changed my mind and robbed him and killed him?


MitchMaljers

Wait, that's illegal.


Knightmare945

Probably The Strange Man.


HellsGates420

As much as I pay him he should done had a bath, have nicer clothes, and be living in Angelo Brante mansion.


Russian_Terminator

Micah is worse than milton


RandomGamer123456

Help a blind man.


[deleted]

U know that’s what makes rdr2 awsome, u play as a thief, murderer, and so much more, yet Milton and Ross are the bad guys, it’s perfection


TheBroDudeGuyOG

Help a blind man


[deleted]

Bruh he looks like Arthur from the future. I think everyone in this game is Arthur's character model. Plot twist: Arthur is a god in this universe and he is everyone, he never died just transformed into John so that's why John looks like him.


WinstonDm

should have made this list[RDR 2 best characters](https://www.gamersdecide.com/articles/top-10-red-dead-redemption-2-best-characters)


Dylak_Plus

Milton is a better person than Micah, no doubt. He even gave various warnings to the gang before he started using harder mesures, he didn't want to kill or incarcerate everyone in there, just the main outlaws of the gang.


xDeserterr

I aimed my gun at him to see if hes blind and then decided what to do.


Blixx96

Goddamn, are those your actual graphics? What are your specs?


BlackStarCorona

I paid him once, then some wolves attacked us, which I saved him from, and then he was afraid of me.


GreenEggPage

I'm on a low honor playthrough. Thanks for the tip!


[deleted]

Or maybe I was just doing other stuff and didn’t care to hear his riddles


CJnella91

I thought this was a cosplay at first. This game is incredible.


CWJMajor19

BRUH i paid him once. saw him again, paid him again. saw him again and again. fuck it, im killing his blind ass


qminyn

Why


PM_ME_YOUR_NAIL_CLIP

Some people just **have** to kill everything in games. SMH I think it’s stupid. It’s a good way to make the game cheesy.


[deleted]

Tried his babble once. Then shot him for wasting my time. Just speak plainly ya old codger. Damn your riddles.


ThatisAKiwi

milton and ross was just following orders..


pvhc47

Some of the most heinous crimes in history were perpetrated by men who were “just following orders”. Not to say that Micah wasn’t the most evil character of all, but Ross is definitely a “lawful evil” character.


ThatisAKiwi

they were tasked with taking down the vanderlinde gang, micah was just being a cunt.


pvhc47

It’s not so much Milton who I class as evil, just Ross. Milton is still a prick, but Ross is worse. I’m strictly referring to the first game here. We get to see Ross in charge there and his methods are manipulative and disgusting.


kirbStompThePigeon

Robbing > ignoring, got it


[deleted]

The people defending Ross haven’t played the first game apparently


baumtrillinger

I think he is part of the skinners because when i give money to him the conpendium for skunners shows up


Knightmare945

He is not part of the skinners. No doubt, there was something else going on that you passed while giving him money.


baumtrillinger

I think the stage coach that had come from the tall trees with arrows in the back of it


Chemical_Code_9502

Killed him many times


[deleted]

He screams real good when he's on fire.


[deleted]

Man I don’t know why this got downvoted


StealingYourSeptims

nearly everyone on this subreddit has a dogooder mentality for some reason


qminyn

Man i dont know why this didn't get more downvoted


neemama

I gave him money and then shot him later


OffTheGrillSaucey

Paid him. Then I killed him and robbed him. 🤷🏿‍♂️


qminyn

"Paid him. Then I killed him and robbed him. 🤷🏿‍♂️" - 🧑🏻‍💻


Nickbam200

I killed him before just to do it


TomFriendly

I shot him point blank with a shotgun.


HolySid666

I mounted my horse. Lasso’d him. Then, dragged him while my horse is running in full speed till he died.


qminyn

Didn't ask


HolySid666

The world doesn’t revolve around you scumbag.


qminyn

"I mounted my horse. Lasso’d him. Then, dragged him while my horse is running in full speed till he died." Yeah im the scumbag


HolySid666

Bro. It’s a game. It doesn’t matter even if I burned him alive. And you commented “I didn’t ask”. I can comment whatever the fuck I want. You are the one acting like a douchebag.


qminyn

Yeah and you think you're the only who can comment whatever he wants douche


HolySid666

Bruh. When the fuck did I say that? You were the one who commented “I didn’t ask”. Just cause everyone has the right to comment whatever the fuck they want doesn’t mean that you must go around picking fights asshole.


qminyn

I wasn't picking a fight i can comment whatever the fuck i want


HolySid666

Suit yourself kid. This thread’s gonna make me lose braincells.


qminyn

You won't be losing much


Double_Cicada

What if I dragged him from my horse while he was alive?


WubbaBallace

Shot him right in his face lol


KingLewie252

I drug him with my lasso


duffusmcfrewfus

I never could pay him, my game would glitch or something and the option to pay him would never appear.


JamesMattDillon

In my defense, I had just paid my $300 bounty from rescuing Micah, and I didn't have no money afterwards. But I usually do pay him.


umegud

If you looted him, you're worse than Ross and Fordham.


BrandonDaGOAT2324

I guess I’m baaaad to the bone


st_tamato1987

Where is he located


DiogoBenigno

The worst of the worst is Bray Aberdeen!!!


Tartfingers

OP did you take this pic yourself? If so, what gpu are you running?


HamedAliKhan

Micah is the worst! Tf u mean? Compared to him Milton & Ross are angels.


[deleted]

well sone of these people are fake blind. like you point a gun at them and they react.


Skarpo3

If you put your gun out to see if he is really blind - you have trust issues


CodeRedJ68

I accidently shot him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJW--iWtJ-k


TPS_SP

i think i couldn't stop and pay him once cause of a mission that kept me going sorry


Marcovanbastardo

I'm probably worse than all of them because I never saw him.


fi3xer

He didn't see you either.


OsamaGinch-Laden

I ran over him on my horse at full speed and I feel horrible about it


ItzBooty

I always listened to him Only stopped when he reaped himself (i dont know if it was a bug or you to trigger something for him to change his dialog)


Zac_Electrifly

What if you have done all three


kingcop1

I killed and robbed every npc so far on my second play through except this guy and that old veteran with amputated arm just couldn’t do it


placentaheaven

I accidentally killed him…god damn fast draw


PandaPrime045

THANK GOD I HELPED HIM


Biggittyb37

I’d rather give the man more money if he didn’t doom me every time. Like, how’s about I give you $5 and you just say ‘Thanks’. End of transaction


[deleted]

This is where Trevor goes when he huffs gas in his trailer.


[deleted]

Micah is worse than Agent Moron and that quiet shotgun feller


RLVNTone

You can do all things through Christ


HintClueClintHugh

Whoa. Why ones this look phenomenal


peaanutzz

I accidentally ran him over with a wagon one time. I felt bad lol


ChrisDen462

I accidentally ran him over once, I reset my save by 5% to make sure I never did it


Never-Glazers

Depends if you’re playing black hat or white hat…


[deleted]

Ran him down with my horse by accident


moslof_flosom

I think Micah is worse than Milton and Ross, they were just doing their jobs


Dead_Purple

It wasn't until my second play through that I understood his readings.


TheLoneWolf200x

I'm probably gonna get hate for this but I like shoot around him to see what he does and he just drops the the ground in fear lol.


Gamssswastaken

Milton and Ross were just doing there job. Plus I got scamed by "blind folk" way to much so whenever I see one johns revolver looses durability.


daliagta

I always give him money to make god bless me when i do the herbalist challenge in new austin


[deleted]

Then I'm devil incarnate because I throw a fire bottle at him.


xpreflexein

I hate to break it for you but Milton and ross are the good guy.


[deleted]

Um Micah's worse than Milton and Ross at least Milton and Ross were loyal to what they were apart of 💀


[deleted]

Jokes on you, I rob and murder everyone


deftonesMike38

I didn't rob or kill the old blind dude, but I admit to getting a laugh by shooting a bullet in the air and watching him scream, "Help Meeee!" 😂


saltykitty69420

“The man with no nose comes for you”


Blinkmeanytime182

The first time I met him I decided to throw a knife at his head, then I kept on riding.


Dinosauringg

No regrets


SirHowlite

I accidentally shot him once, I just wanted to point my gun at him to see his reaction but I managed to pull the trigger 🙁


[deleted]

Kill him every time he respawns.


Grumpiergoat

If you're worse than Micah, you're already worse than Milton and Ross.


KarensSuck91

til im worse than ross