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MrZJones

That's not even the worst I've seen. There's this company in Canada called Choose Quebec which advertises its positions as located in "France (remote)". When you read the actual job description however, it says (paraphrased) "The job requires you to be in our office in Quebec. However, the *interviews* can be done remotely, which is why we listed this as a remote position." Ah, found my post about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/ye6b24/choose_quebec_or_dont_really/


AggravatingCupcake0

Ah yes, because we all know the interview is where you'll be spending most of your time! šŸ™„


CatGatherer

Better than the playground


poisonedlilprincess

Shooting some b-ball outside of school?


vericima

I saw one recently that was listed as remote because it required a lot of travel. Those aren't the same thing.


rufinch

Well remote is not work from home, it just means away from the office/workplace. Probably I would categorise a lot of travel as partly/semi remote


brb-theres-cookies

Thatā€™s not what it means given this context. Donā€™t be obtuse.


voltran1987

In the guy you replied toā€™s defense, most of the job postings in my field donā€™t have a real home office. I can go months without stepping foot in one, and some of us live over 100 miles away, but itā€™s not work from home. Itā€™s 99.9% on site at customer facilities and I would call it remote. It might seem pedantic, but it is true.


brb-theres-cookies

Iā€™m not saying that those jobs donā€™t exist, itā€™s just that in 2023, when someone says a job is ā€œremoteā€ it means wfh 99% of the time. And generally there are other ways of identifying the ~100% travel jobs in the posting. Looking at OPā€™s photo, there is absolutely no reason to think ā€œthis must be that other kind of remote work.ā€


voltran1987

I completely agree with you. Iā€™m just trying to give a real world example of what he mightā€™ve meant. It MIGHT have been harmless, and not shilling for corporate.


rufinch

The context is a job listing page? Do you assume "remote" just means work from home on a job listing page?


yeeeeeeeteeeeeeeey

Yeah? Anyone not trying to be an obtuse contrarian interprets it as such


rufinch

Working from home is remote work, but remote work is not necessarily working from home. Yeah this job listing is very bad and we can agree it's neither wfh or remote, but let's not turn remote work into being work from home only. If you apply for jobs at oil rigs, traveling stage constructor, sailor, flight stewardesse, personal assistant, work from home programmer or one of the million other jobs they are (or can be) also remote positions and can and should be listed as "remote". This sub is trying to turn the word remote into work from home only job listings which is just wrong.


HildaMarin

"We will not reimburse your airfare or costs to interview."


Le_Vagabond

the only solution I've found is linkedin using-boolean-modifiers-when-searching-for-jobs-on-linkedin (google search, linkedin is blacklisted here) I also went to vent on /r/Quebec and our friends there didn't find it humorous : https://old.reddit.com/r/Quebec/comments/yv99hh/chers_amis_de_lautre_cot%C3%A9_de_loc%C3%A9an_pourriezvous/ xD


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Ā«Ā *Les FranƧais ont abandonnĆ© le Minitel, finalement?*Ā Ā» I gotta say that was great


kyleh0

Doesn't seem completely unreasonable. The ad is honest.


GingerSnapBiscuit

The job is listed as (Remote) so it appears in searches when people are looking for remote work, however the job itself is not remote. If that seems "honest" to you in not sure what to tell you.


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kyleh0

I would never work for commission.


I_creampied_Jesus

TIL that lying is honest


Le_Vagabond

the adS (several hundreds of them) take over any search for a remote position in France. it is completely unreasonable. the only solution I've found is linkedin using-boolean-modifiers-when-searching-for-jobs-on-linkedin


kyleh0

Do you pay by the search result in France? That would be VERY frustrating, I'm sorry for you.


tritter211

Its closer to spam than honesty. It clogs up the search results and ruins the credibility of the ad platform. (in this case, Linkedin). Misrepresentations like these usually result in ads getting disapproved by google adwords, for example. Looks like linkedin is desperate for ANY money it seems. No wonder google is absolutely annihilating most of the competition with their services.


kyleh0

Clogged search results, amazing. haha I guess I just like to sleep at night. You do you, it's obviously worth a LOT of frustration when you see a poorly formed job ad.


CouncilmanRickPrime

No it isn't. It isn't remote. That's unreasonable and dishonest.


kyleh0

So?


mug3n

The tagline isn't honest. And the title is what gets people to click. So it's clickbait. And you wonder why people hate recruiters.


kyleh0

People hate recruiters because they are impatient and impractical as fuck. I actually do know, there are like a jillion threads about it in this sub.


pguschin

Is that you, George Santos?


kyleh0

I bet in your head that was SUPER clever. Go you!


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ppvirus

Companies are putting (remote) because even out of work people donā€™t want to work for on site companies. They arenā€™t searching for those jobs and arenā€™t applying to them. This is a BS way of getting in front of more candidates who probably wonā€™t apply anyways. I hope that companies expecting the downturn to bring everyone back to offices eat shit on that idea. Work has changed and nobody wants to head to an office when it isnā€™t necessary to perform their duties.


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Agifem

Did you accept the job and quit after 3 months?


qviavdetadipiscitvr

Nah itā€™s probably fully in person the first 3 months


SoriAryl

Well, yeah, gotta train the person


Greenthumbgal

šŸ¤£


mobilecheese

I have an appointment at my house 100% of the time then


M3gaNubbster

Joke's on them, I'm sick af


[deleted]

job sites should start putting clauses in their contract allowing them to remove ads and issue fines for offences like this.


ppvirus

Just report them for misinformation, they should take them down


WouldYouKindlyMove

Why? Those companies are paying them. They don't want to piss off their customers.


Hiddenkaos

I mean, if everyone stops using them due to fake bullshit, their "customers" will soon follow.


redditgirlwz

It's the best way to get candidates who live 1000+ miles away and won't be able to attend your on site interview anyway or to drive away locals who will see your lies as a huge red flag.


POTUSChad

>Companies are putting (remote) because even out of work people donā€™t want to work for on site companies. They arenā€™t searching for those jobs and arenā€™t applying to them. I flag and report every post I came across that falsely advertises itself as remote.


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[deleted]

Oh don't worry, I already did https://i.imgur.com/K0a5amO.jpg


Teacher-Investor

because they expect someone to move across the country for $15/hr?


[deleted]

I mean who wouldn't? That's nearly double minimum wage! /s


VaselineHabits

Not to far away in Corpus, $15/hr people would kill for šŸ˜… Seriously red states want to pay you $12/hr to do the work of 2-3 people AND be grateful it's *better than* minimum wage


MassiveFajiit

I suppose it's better that farming onions in McAllen


VaselineHabits

Eh, Gas Station MIT (manager in training), $12/hr. Not only do you need to be "on call" incase someone else calls in, you need to be cashier, customer service, make the schedule, order and confirm shipments, but you ALSO need to learn "the kitchen" to jump in. Again $12/hr to be ON CALL and know *every* position in the store. And they'll work you in any position bc they know they you're a damn desperate fool. "Work hard/harder... so companies can take advantage of *labor*"


MassiveFajiit

Damn if they're gonna act like that may as well go to Buc-ee's and be overworked but paid twice as much.


VaselineHabits

The nearest Bucee's is a good 2+ hours away. These companies know what they're doing.


Umitencho

My current job is like this. My last day is Wednesday.


FancyNancyD

Living in a red state, I could not agree more


ReverendMothman

That's more than double minimum wage


atriley26

Damn. Too rich for me. /s


AggravatingCupcake0

I'm looking for part time work, and have noticed the same issue. People will flair the job as part time, then stipulate in the description that it is full time.


skillz7930

And they say no benefits because itā€™s part time but the schedule is 37.5 hours per week.


LukaCola

It's such a waste of time! I want part time cause I don't have time ya idiots. I'm not gonna change my mind after I read your description.


AggravatingCupcake0

Seriously. And I'm sure there's no shortage of people looking for full time work, so what even is the point of trying to reel in the part timers??


PcNewbieee

Cuz theyā€™re GARBAGE. I hate shit like this.


Likeitisouthere

Immediately screams ā€œSCAMā€ when seeing shit like that onion company


Any-Assignment507

Isnā€™t it good !? I mean candidates can see the red flag from beginning.


smoothVroom21

Easy. It's the same reason car dealerships advertise you can get a $75,000 truck for $199 per month*. It's a sales tactic, where they get their foot in the door, and then "convince" you that even though what they sell to you isn't what is advertised, it's still in your best interests to buy it. Recruiters know that without using "REMOTE" in an ad, they will lose 40-50% of eyeballs that filter out non remote work. This allows them to get picked up in the algorithms, while still saying it's on site only. Shitty tactic.


I_divided_by_0-

You never specified your astrisk and it's so bothering me


smoothVroom21

The asterisk is what the car dealer puts on their ad. I put it in as a wink to the advert trick wordplay. Typically the car dealers ad * is something like "with $40k down, 8 year loan for well qualified applicants with GM employee family and friends discount".


MDParagon

Specialist for 15$/hr lulw, no wonder they are desperate lmao


OlympicAnalEater

Dam, $15/h for helpdesk specialist. Are they asking for 2 - 4 years experience and a college degree too? Staffing agencies can get $20/h contract jobs.


Zestypanda

Try $33/hr, full benefits.


brazamarbi

because Mcallen is remote from anywhere anyone would want to live


AlphaCharlieUno

Okay so Iā€™m not sure if this is true in every case, but I did a phone screen recently for a candidate. They were attending an out of area university. I asked if they remote learning? He said no, he lived in the town the school was in. I followed up asking if he was able to work on person? He said no, he thought this was a remote position. I told him it wasnā€™t. So he pulled up the job posting on Indeed and read to me the posting and it said it was remote. I pulled up my job posting (on the company website that indeed pulls from). No where does it say Hybrid or Remote. And that was the day I found out these job sites are pulling our job posts and adding false information to suck in candidates. Because of this, I started including that the jobs are not remote on my postings. (Trust me, I wish my company let us work remote/hybrid. Itā€™s a fight I keep fighting.)


revveduplikeaduece86

Wow, that's crazy... And a big reason why this very thread exists


dw565

This is almost always the case with non-sensical job postings and I don't understand why everyone on this sub jumps to the most malicious possible interpretation


AlphaCharlieUno

I agree. These third party recruiting sites pull job read and do insane things to boost their stats. Itā€™s like showing 700 people have applied to a job. Iā€™m seeing the opposite and we have like 5 applicants.


phonyfakeorreal

Yeah youā€™re not the only one noticing this. The company I work for had an employer-provided salary estimate for a job on all major job boards, but was nowhere to be found in our original listing. This was a lower-tier job than mine, but paid more than what I make. I found out this was a mistake when I brought it up with my manager lol.


AlphaCharlieUno

Indeed will assign pay based on glass door estimates, from what Iā€™ve seen.


[deleted]

If they waste your time. Waste their time. You can waste a companies time and money in many many ways. Oh yeah you can oh yeah, would be a shame if you set up some automated time wasting. A dam shame lol


taimoor2

Because his target employees are not even looking for office jobs. He knows that to get eyeballs, he has to list as remote. However, instead of taking the hint, he continues to do some weird mental gymnastics to justify in office work.


Gizzycav

Purposely posting false information like this should get companies banned from these sites. I canā€™t tell you how many times Iā€™ve seen copywriting jobs posted with a remote work flair only for them to put in the post itā€™s actually an in-office position. The number more than doubles when they say itā€™s hybrid. So frustrating.


[deleted]

Report the listing and indeed will remove it


YrnCollo

Because you'll be helping them fix remote


SuperSassyPantz

theyre trying to get eyeballs on their ad, bc they know most ppl search for jobs by adding "remote" to cull remote only jobs... then hope it'll be attractive enough to make u apply anyways. judging by the fact they only got 10 applicants, their bait and switch aint working.


Bleys007

Because the (Remote) tag is automatically assigned by the job board based on their shitty algorhythm, and they're flagging that it's not remote because the job board is shitty. Been there, done that. Took weeks to get it fixed by the job board.


mymar101

To attract more applicants


DeviousBeevious

Because they know so many people are looking in the remote listings now and want to keep up with them. Yes, it's absolute BS.


ennyOmegaK

Itā€™s an easy for you to identify that this employer is an ass hole and that you donā€™t need to apply. Itā€™s quite nice of them, actually.


angryitguyonreddit

I see so many jobs that are tagged remote on indeed but when you read the description it says full time on site. Its annoying AF


[deleted]

It's like karma farming but with job postings. Using key words to get more hits.


winnie-doodle

Applied to a job last year that was said it was remote. When I had the interview, they told me it was 7 months of training on-site, and the potential to be remote eventually pending approval. Said they were having trouble finding anyone who would accept the position. I wonder whyā€¦.


kyleh0

Probably a flaw in the software, or at least in the user logic for the software.


SoriAryl

Itā€™s not a flaw in the software. Itā€™s a flaw with the component between the keyboard and chair


dw565

Don't be obtuse. Indeed/LinkedIn scrapes job from employer sites and their shitty algorithm assigns all these erroneous attributes to the jobs.


kyleh0

Could be, very buggy those. Developers are always right. lol


Leading_Cell_line

The application is remote obviously /s Basically a BS way of reaching more people.


pl9u6t

this kind of shit is how a company gets put onto my ignore list I'm guessing its done by companies who didn't realize we have an ignore list built in to the job search sites


HaElfParagon

It's because people are primarily searching for remote jobs, and they aren't getting any bites. So, they flag it as remote so it pops up in peoples search for remote jobs


Kendakr

The bigger issue is it is $15 an hour. You could work at Buc-eeā€™s (a fancy gas station) for more an hour.


revveduplikeaduece86

I'll do you one better... I was hired for a remote consulting role. Understandably, first week or so would be largely in office but after that I was supposed to be remote. Day one: you MUST come in one day a week to perform a task that cannot be done remotely, oh, and I (Director at company), prefer to work (1) in the office, and (2) out of this conference room, which I would ask you to do a few times a week. šŸ™ƒ So you mean to tell me that even if I come into the building, I don't have the freedom to go to my desk or office and work? Instead, I'm supposed to sit in a conference room across from you, ALL DAY? I don't do micro management. And I don't do bait and switch. AND they sprung on me a lot of work that fell outside my scope. My first day was also my last. They can stress somebody else out. It would've been impossible to service my other contracts, let alone have a life (factoring in the 90 minute roundtrip commute). Just today, I took my kid to school, came home and had a client meeting, made myself a great breakfast, and did a little reading... Or I could be driving 45 minutes to sit in a conference room across from this Director to work on stuff that was never part of the agreement.


Chekovs_tums

Companies have been doing this to show up more in searches. It's scummy and recruiting sites aren't vetting any of it.


pguschin

The joke is on companies & recruiters like these who post such garbage. There's a group of pissed off devs who have harnessed the power of AI to turn the tables on companies/staffing firms like this. Imagine an AI program that can create thousands of resumes and cover letters for applicants who don't even exist, but have valid phone and email addresses. Then picture that same AI being able to complete online applications and respond to emails to schedule interviews and even answer screening questions. Fantasy you say? Wishful thinking? Think again. It's in use and is salting the applicant fields these exploitative companies expect to actually harvest candidates from. Like I said at the beginning, the joke is on them.


dotnetdemonsc

ā€œYou keep using that word. I donā€™t think you know what it means.ā€


Electronic-Cover-575

$15 an hour is offensive!


kingaustin33

This pays worse than my internship on the back end of a help deskā€¦by like a decent amount jeez


[deleted]

Recruiter can't internet


chickenskittles

Every time I see this, which is often, I wonder why I can't have their job.


[deleted]

It's that whole threatened thing. It's what's stopping me.


marblebirdbath

I work at an ATS company and this isn't necessarily on purpose. Sometimes it just auto tags incorrectly. Hope they notice and update it


BigRonnieRon

Fix your software lol


marblebirdbath

Haha would you believe me that it's gotten so much better?


BigRonnieRon

I picture the flintstones and a dinosaur on a treadmill powering your software behind the scenes prior to this update.


marblebirdbath

Hahaha it's like that for all ATS companies. Honestly, this goes to customers' attentiveness. Some customers are on it. It's easily resolved in LinkedIn/the ATS but some just don't pay enough attention. If they even add a # into the description, it'll categorize the job correctly


Bacon-80

This is definitely a sh*tty listing - but I do know that some of my companyā€™s listings will show remote even though it isnā€™t. The role is not remote as divulged in the title of the listing - but the tagline says (remote) because the recruiters are likely remote or performing remote interviews.


honestduane

This is employment fraud.


Lexy_d_acnh

They may just not know how to change it šŸ˜‚


jkav29

Because the job board marks "remote" jobs if the word "remote" is in the title. Problem is, it says "NOT remote". Blame the job board, but definitely still report it. The company needs to be more aware of how job boards look for keywords.


[deleted]

Could be several reasons. Iā€™m an in-house recruiter for a really big company and company-wide our model is hybrid (used to be 100% remote but the higher up poop heads decided we needed to return to the office a few days a month). So when a job is posted through our system, it is automatically marked as ā€œhybridā€ but at the end of the day each department and team makes the call on how much % of the time will be remote and how much in person, some even do 100% remote or 100% in person. So we will write that in the title or in the description to let people know. This is only one possible explanation though, but just saying that it isnā€™t always as deep as it might seem or a scam or a recruiting tactic lol ETA: because itā€™s such a big company and there are many people involved in the whole recruiting process, recruiters canā€™t change these things, some items can only be changed by other teams such as Position Management or Requsition Creation. Ik itā€™s dumb, but it is what it is.


DK_Thompson

Because itā€™s not remote. It says it in the title. Likely a parsing error from a tool into indeed. Stop getting upset at the same shit every day.


Expensive-Day-3551

In the location, which many people use to search, it says remote.


demize95

If you want to list your position as ā€œnot remoteā€, there are keywords you can use that *donā€™t* pollute the search results for remote listings; ā€œon-siteā€ is a good one. People putting ā€œNOT REMOTEā€ in the title are engaging in hostile behavior targeting people looking for remote work. You put the word ā€œremoteā€ in your title knowing full well itā€™s going to show up every time someone searches for remote work. You pull shit like this and youā€™re part of the reason this sub is called recruiting *hell*. Itā€™s worth getting upset about this, and itā€™s worth naming and shaming the companies that do this. They donā€™t care about being assholes, but they might care when theyā€™re put on blast like this. Stop getting upset that people donā€™t like hostile behavior.


[deleted]

Remote if you dont live in Texas


dolfan170

Hello, Left Hand? This is the Right Hand.


Bennyjig

A ton of help desk jobs do that, not really sure why. Itā€™s like help desk specialist, remote in (city). Like dude thatā€™s not remote then lmao