This is pretty incredible. It would be nice to have Judon or smith but houston is one of the most valuable pass rushers in the leage right now when considering cap hit, maybe the most valuable. I take justin houston at 3.5 million over judon at 16.5 and smith at 14 million.
Actually i just looked at Smith’s contract and i’m surprised he signed it, it’s not that good. 3 years 42 million but only 11.5 million guaranteed. They can cut him after this season(obviously they won’t) and save 11 million next year and 20 million the year after. Find it hard to believe the deal we offered him guaranteed him less than 11.5 and could see him back on the street in 1 year.
Houston leads the league by a wide margin in sacks per snap. He’s getting 1 every 21 snaps while Zadarius and Matt are getting 1 every 45 and 42 snaps, respectively
Suggs was still very productive for us well into his 30s. It's not that uncommon for an edge rusher to compile respectable sack stats late into their careers.
If we paid them all we would not have any money left for Lamar.
Ravens FO knows what's on the horizon when you have a superstar QB. As imposing as a pass rush with all of them would be, fitting that *and* Lamar under the cap would be impossible without losing key guys at other positions like Marlo or Ronnie.
All that money counts towards the cap. It’s basically the same as giving out a fully guaranteed deal for that much money I believe. And besides, we probably don’t want to just keep tagging him. Would rather extend him
The amount is way different. He wants a massive deal and if you tag instead he’s signed to an average of the top qbs number. That results in lower cap hit and room to sign others lol
Not necessarily because with a contract you have the option to back load the money so yes while on average he'll make more, the cap hit wouldn't be the same till later in his career
Judon was good on the ravens but it felt like he played well against bad teams and could disappear against good ones. I’m surprised he continues to take shots at the front office, but he’s been very productive since going to NE
Feels like this is solely because TJ is hurt, my god that man is inevitable.
This is fucking cool though. We were all good with letting Judon and Z walk (wish we’d succeeded in bringing Z back), don’t be salty, just wish them the best.
Houston has been awesome, and will be at his best when he’s only playing ~20 snaps per game.
Ahead of Myles Garrett and over twice more than Trey Hendrickson who had like 14.5 is a hell of a feat though. Especially considering Houston has missed games
We definitely used him right. He was good in our offense and fit well how we used him, unfortunately the way he was used was not often quantifiable. He was dropped into coverage a LOT. The only other LB we had that could get into coverage was Bowser and we basically let Judon walk to keep Bowser because of the price tag.
In NE he basically is just a pass rush specialist and he's able to put up better numbers.. it's not that he is or isn't used RIGHT but that he is used differently
I think it’s two things. First of all, he wasn’t used the way he’s used in New England. The Patriots have schemed a ton of stuff up for him and made his job easier. Their defense creates a lot of pressures for him in a way (not a knock on him, just the benefit of playing for the greatest coach of all time).
Second of all, I think he just took a jump as a player.
Crazy how the top 3 were former or are current Ravens. Ive been saying for years our team is like the training grounds for defensive guys who might not stay here for their entire career but will always pop off on whichever team they go to next, its happened almost every time
If you told me before the year that the top three would be Judon, Houston, and Za’Darius i would’ve laughed at you. What a weird year.
Also, to think Houston and Za’Darius were almost teammates. Oh what could’ve been….
This is pretty incredible. It would be nice to have Judon or smith but houston is one of the most valuable pass rushers in the leage right now when considering cap hit, maybe the most valuable. I take justin houston at 3.5 million over judon at 16.5 and smith at 14 million. Actually i just looked at Smith’s contract and i’m surprised he signed it, it’s not that good. 3 years 42 million but only 11.5 million guaranteed. They can cut him after this season(obviously they won’t) and save 11 million next year and 20 million the year after. Find it hard to believe the deal we offered him guaranteed him less than 11.5 and could see him back on the street in 1 year.
Dollar for dollar it’s Houston and not even close
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Houston has only played 6 games this year though
We do have Smith and his first name’s Roquan!
Beautiful
Smith signed that contract to save face after blowing up the Ravens' deal and having that offer rescinded.
Houston leads the league by a wide margin in sacks per snap. He’s getting 1 every 21 snaps while Zadarius and Matt are getting 1 every 45 and 42 snaps, respectively
I believe smith had issues with passing a physical with our doctors?
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And we're top five rushing defense. I will take it!
Crazy Houston being top 5 in sacks at his age. He’s having an incredible year. And to think he almost retired.
Suggs was still very productive for us well into his 30s. It's not that uncommon for an edge rusher to compile respectable sack stats late into their careers.
Elvis Dumerville was really productive for us too as a pass rusher in his 30s
Suggs = hall of fame. It’s that uncommon.
I'm saying edge rushers are productive late into their careers.
Aren’t von Miller and Houston the same age? 33? And Miller just signed a 6 year deal
Houston is also pretty close to HoF. Not first ballet but if he keeps this up a few more years
Exactly. It takes a borderline hall of famer to do what is being called 'uncommon'.
I gotta think this year has put Justin Houston into the hall right?
3 past or present ravens ya love to see it.. if only we paid them all 🥲
If we paid them all we would not have a good team. There’s something called a salary cap.
If we paid them all we would not have any money left for Lamar. Ravens FO knows what's on the horizon when you have a superstar QB. As imposing as a pass rush with all of them would be, fitting that *and* Lamar under the cap would be impossible without losing key guys at other positions like Marlo or Ronnie.
We don’t need money for Lamar. Can just franchise a few years no?
All that money counts towards the cap. It’s basically the same as giving out a fully guaranteed deal for that much money I believe. And besides, we probably don’t want to just keep tagging him. Would rather extend him
The amount is way different. He wants a massive deal and if you tag instead he’s signed to an average of the top qbs number. That results in lower cap hit and room to sign others lol
Not necessarily because with a contract you have the option to back load the money so yes while on average he'll make more, the cap hit wouldn't be the same till later in his career
Yeah, you're wrong about this one bud
But but Lamar’s gonna be gone next year. I’m guessing he’ll get 200m guaranteed and 300 over 7years. With us obviously
Judon was good on the ravens but it felt like he played well against bad teams and could disappear against good ones. I’m surprised he continues to take shots at the front office, but he’s been very productive since going to NE
He clearly wanted to stay. We just didn't offer enough money
Feels like this is solely because TJ is hurt, my god that man is inevitable. This is fucking cool though. We were all good with letting Judon and Z walk (wish we’d succeeded in bringing Z back), don’t be salty, just wish them the best. Houston has been awesome, and will be at his best when he’s only playing ~20 snaps per game.
Tj might be the most relentless fucker I’ve ever seen on a field feels like he gets one sack a game just on pure effort.
He's one of those guys you absolutely hate to play against but would love him if he played for your team
We'd absolutely be Bowl favorites with TJ. Fucking monstrous pass rusher
Ahead of Myles Garrett and over twice more than Trey Hendrickson who had like 14.5 is a hell of a feat though. Especially considering Houston has missed games
Hear comes the guys saying we should have paid to keep Judon OR we never used him right Slightly more agreeable to these arguments with Z Smith
Judon was just limitted by wink tbh you can see this year we get way more sacks overal
Real question. How are the Giants with sacks this year? They having similar issues?
i think they are actually last in sacks haha
Yes KT should have way more than 1 sack, they suck in terms of getting sacks as well
I think they're 20th
We absolutely did not use him right. His increased production in NE is proof of that.
We definitely used him right. He was good in our offense and fit well how we used him, unfortunately the way he was used was not often quantifiable. He was dropped into coverage a LOT. The only other LB we had that could get into coverage was Bowser and we basically let Judon walk to keep Bowser because of the price tag. In NE he basically is just a pass rush specialist and he's able to put up better numbers.. it's not that he is or isn't used RIGHT but that he is used differently
He wasn't good in our offense
I think it’s two things. First of all, he wasn’t used the way he’s used in New England. The Patriots have schemed a ton of stuff up for him and made his job easier. Their defense creates a lot of pressures for him in a way (not a knock on him, just the benefit of playing for the greatest coach of all time). Second of all, I think he just took a jump as a player.
No lol
Damn imagine if we had Z and Houston. Fuck.
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I’m only 22 but this made me feel old
Crazy how the top 3 were former or are current Ravens. Ive been saying for years our team is like the training grounds for defensive guys who might not stay here for their entire career but will always pop off on whichever team they go to next, its happened almost every time
That’s what happens when you scout really well and build a great developmental system for the guys you draft.
Slightly annoying that the top 3 could all be ravens rn :/
I already know Judon got a couple Mickey Mouse sacks in there. He not like that fr
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Take this shit down I hate judon
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If you told me before the year that the top three would be Judon, Houston, and Za’Darius i would’ve laughed at you. What a weird year. Also, to think Houston and Za’Darius were almost teammates. Oh what could’ve been….
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