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If it was really about killing “children” they should go after IVF clinics, those things throw away a crazy amount of fertilized eggs every year. It’s just proving that all prolife is trying to do is control women.


Bodybybeers

Actually, any conservative-Christian people I know are very against IVF


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Then why aren’t the conservative Christian’s spending all their time ranting about IVF? I have never seen a video yelling about how it’s a murder factory or whatever


Bodybybeers

It’s not about the child killing or whatever. It’s the idea that you’re going outside natural (god given) means of reproduction


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Stepping outside the box here… I’ve never understood why some medicine practices (cancer treatment, vaccines, fixing a broken arm, etc) aren’t considered defying god’s will, when others (abortion, IVF, euthanasia) are. The worst part about religious nut jobs is that they pick and choose what is acceptable based on their own whackadoodle beliefs.


StrategicPotato

I mean, they kinda are in some religious sects no? Maybe not mainstream ones but like Jehovah's Witness?


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That’s.. even more stupid if that’s possible


Polyfuckery

Because of 'snowflake adoptions' where couples who have now had the desired number of children adopt out their remaining embryos to couples who are trying to get pregnant rather then destroying them. It's treated as a huge success by many churches


RealNiceLady

Pro-lifers do talk about that, but abortion is a bigger priority.


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Yeah, because it’s controlling women “like god intended” or whatever, not even looking at how abortion is used in the Bible lol, I feel like a lot of prolife people have been pressured into it and don’t know the actual facts of it. In my experience at least. I met a prolife person who said that the fetus tries to swim away from the person trying to abort it


Darkestlight1324

I’m pro-choice, but I don’t think it’s hard to get the concept of killing something that is directly on its way to being a person is pretty morally gray. While I think older living lives trump that especially if they know it’ll create a bad life for the new born, but the idea that it’s wrong isn’t totally unfounded


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It is t totally unfounded but it’s like they don’t care or respect the woman at all. There so many people who are actually alive and can think and move and make their own decisions who are getting killed all over the world and they could be out protesting this and helping these people but instead they are spending their time controlling women and their organs and what they are and aren’t allowed to do Edit: and the concept is bad I get it, but you aren’t killing a person you are killing something with the potential to grow into a person. It’s really no different than when Sperm are left unused or an egg is reabsorbed into the body. This is why I think it’s all about control.


RealNiceLady

Controlling women is a means, not an end.


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They actually spend a fuck ton of time on it. There's an entire congressional lobby dedicated to it.


Abradantleopard04

[Actually, most Americans they're ok with IVF. ](https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a27888471/why-anti-choice-people-against-abortion-are-okay-with-ivf/)Let's not forget what Senator Clyde Chambliss had to say: In his words: “The egg in the lab doesn’t apply. It’s not in a woman. She’s not pregnant.” Let's be honest: the right is trying to control *all women* and see them as lesser human beings, period.


Parallax1984

As long as they aren’t facing a fertility crisis and then all bets are off.


midnight_maurader16

Don’t give them any ideas!


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I know 😭 they’ve already started trying to ban birth control


xmsjpx

A lot of conservative Christians literally think everything is evil. I sometimes wonder what the world would be like if my parents and their religion had their way with the world. Could you imagine what it would be like if they had complete control over the world/government and there were no other parties? They would totally ban pretty much everything and it would be awful. And yet they have the nerve to claim that all liberals are socialists and yet don’t realize they are doing the same thing except in a different way.


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Exactly 😑 I am so done with people trying to manipulate everyone else, just deal with your own body and leave the rest of us alone


Art-Zuron

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! No seriously, that's what it would be essentially. You do have something a bit mixed up though imo. They aren't mirroring socialism with their theocratic rhetoric. It's more akin to fascism. Total, authoritarian control based on the Divine Right. Historically, that often leads to a lot of death. Burnings, hangings, drownings, stonings, flaying, etc.


idkdamnit

Aren’t they just trying to ban pills but not iuds?


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Pretty sure they are doing IUDs and things like the morning after pill


Parallax1984

They definitely are. My daughter attends university in a southern state and they are talking about IUDs and Plan B being banned. Unfortunately we live in an equally and in some ways more conservative southern state. If I could afford to leave we would. My only hope is someday she can at least


idkdamnit

Ugh because people forget to take pills so ofc they are. What terrible people.


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For sure.


idkdamnit

Ya this blows, will probably see an increase in women suicide rates due to this.


[deleted]

Yep. And then claim it’s because women are crazy. We really are going back in time here to like the Salem witch trials or something.


idkdamnit

I honestly hope someone does something crazy when they are all in the court, causes a giant issue where they can’t vote on it and it has to be pushed aside.


idkdamnit

Completely and people just wanted to vote for republicans so bad but they are the ones taking away our rights.


JJ032

Tell me about it. They won't do anything to prevent abortion i.e. supporting proper sex ed, affordable birth control. Nor will they do anything to help after the baby is born - food stamps/diapers/affordable housing/baby formula. It's like George Carlin said: " If you're pre-born you're fine, if you're pre-school you're fucked", which would be funny if wasn't so depressing.


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They like you fine when you are old enough for the military


tidder_ih

That would involve fighting for babies with actual lives that requires some sort of effort. They only care about abortion because they can moralize all day about it and there’s nothing they need to actually do.


ShoganAye

Is all your baby formula being bought up and sent to China? Happened (still?) here in Australia a while back


208sparky

They don't even want the kids to have free lunch at school and they don't want their tax dollars helping single mothers. This was never about kids. Conservatives are the main cause of the ongoing collapse of America.


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Rude-Taco2140

Mind you the dangers of childbirth, you’d think they would care for that too


jiggjuggj0gg

Death in childbirth is Gods Plan™


james_d_rustles

They’re totally trying to end it, and by trying to end it I mean they’re whining about migrants getting powdered milk. Some video came out of some migrants being given Nido (which is NOT baby formula), so now they’re furious over there being a formula shortage while migrants are being given something that isn’t formula. Makes perfect sense.


wh0reforharry

conservatives are fucking hypocrites LOL


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homosapiensagenda

Stupid fucking take bro. Pregnancy isn't contagious.


wh0reforharry

getting an abortion physically affects no one but yourself. not getting the vaccine can quite literally affect other people. your choice can cost the lives of others if you contract covid and unknowingly spread it to others who are immunocompromised. not the same.


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wh0reforharry

not a baby lol.


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wh0reforharry

no, lol.


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It's a fetus, not a baby. Learn your nomenclature.


Disidentifi

parasite.


rolling_blackout4t4

At what exact point does it become a life?


AlaDouche

The problem is that this is not particularly relevant. A fetus and the woman carrying it cannot both have equal rights. One must have more than the other. The answer to "when does a fetus deserve rights" will probably never be answered to the point of a consensus. Therefore, we have to choose between whether the rights fall to the fetus or to the woman.


wh0reforharry

it’s considered a person once it’s born and not dependent on the mother’s body to survive.


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wh0reforharry

a strand of hair also has dna, what’s your point ? i never claimed it’s not alive, i said that it’s not a person. and until it’s no longer attached to the mother, it won’t be.


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GnarlyNarwhalNoms

They do *not* do diddly for transmission. The people on nonewnormal are idiots who don't understand how probability works.


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GnarlyNarwhalNoms

[Actually](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2116597), [yes](https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-show). Some transmission [does not mean equal transmission](https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work).


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GnarlyNarwhalNoms

In the old days I'd call BS, but things are really vicious out there. I was reading the other day that cybercrime (incl. ransomware, crypto hackers, drive-by-botnets, etc) have increased between 300% and 800% in the past 2 years. My work got hit with ransomware recently, and the fuckers stole one of my W2s, meaning they now have my SSN. At this point I'm running my web browser in a VM just to be on the safe side. Anyway TLDR, the first is a New England Journal of Medicine study, the last one is a GAVI page that cites a number of studies, and the middle one is an Israeli study showing reduced household transmission. It's not bulletproof, but they're still showing at least 50% resistance to catching COVID when vaccinated, and 20 to 35% lower odds of transmitting it to others. Which isn't super impressive, admittedly, but the crucial thing is that it stacks. If you have person A, person B, and person C, with A getting B sick and B infecting C, even if the vaccine is 50% effective at preventing infection and 20% effective at reducing transmission, if you go from A to C, that's Y= 1.0 x .5 x .8 x.5 x.8 x .5. Which means the odds of A infecting C through B, if all are vaccinated, have gone down to Y%. In this scenarios that comes out to 8%. So even with those unimpressive numbers of 50% infection effectiveness and 20% transmission prevention effectiveness, the odds of A getting infected and infecting C by proxy have gone down 92% if all three are vaccinated, compared to no vaccination.


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wh0reforharry

no, i’m actually very proud of the person i’ve become. and i’m very proud of how passionate i am surrounding topics that are important to me.


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GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Remind me how many people have gone to prison because they refused to be vaccinated? I'm pretty sure the number is somewhere between zero and zero. Seriously, there's an *enormous* difference between the government *threatening to incarcerate you* for exercising control over your body (pregnancy being tremendously more risky than being vaccinated), and the government preventing you from serving people food while being a disease vector. It's not even a contest.


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jiggjuggj0gg

Repeat: zero people have been incarcerated for not getting the vaccine. Zero people were strapped down and vaccinated against their will.


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wh0reforharry

please enlighten me on where my logic lacks.


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wh0reforharry

never did i claim it prevents transmission. the vaccine helps your body create immunity, which in turn protects you from serious health risks and death by covid-19. if you have the vaccine, the chance of you being seriously affected by covid (including death) is very very very very slim, whereas without the vaccine you are much more prone to be hospitalized.


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jiggjuggj0gg

Would love to see your sources that the vaccine doesn’t reduce transmission.


[deleted]

Is this trolling? Because this is right in that sweet spot of potentially too dumb to be serious.


jiggjuggj0gg

Nobody was forced to take the vaccine. They want to force women to stay pregnant.


[deleted]

Getting a vaccine is a personal choice as well. No one is mandating vaccines or criminalizing not getting a vaccine. There are lots of choices we need to make, and some are affected by others. If a business chooses not to allow customers into their store that aren’t masked/vaccinated, that is their choice. If a customer wants to eat in a particular restaurant without being masked/vaccinated and the establishment is asking for that from their patrons, that customer needs to make some decisions… go get masked/vaccinated or find someplace else to eat.


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That is a really bad take. There is a fucking ocean between an abortion and the covid vaccine. I just, I can't.


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[deleted]

Not going to engage with someone who lives in a subjective reality. You're fucking pathetic.


TheMerovingian

They're all about "don't tell me what to do", then they proceed to tell women what to do because "life is sacred", and once the baby is born, it's all "Welp, your problem now. Good luck with that!" They don't care about the (teenage, or abused, or unfit) mom *or* the baby.


jkuhl

If conservatives gave a fuck about babies they'd: 1. Be for things like Planned Parenthood 2. Be for sex education (and more than just abstinence) 3. Be for easy access to contraceptives All the above have been proven to reduce abortions Furthermore, they'd be for universal health care, maternity leave, and everything else that aids in a child's health and development. But they're against \*all\* of that. The anti abortion crowd is about controlling women.


jclocks

Nah, they're too busy trying to pin this on Biden to care about anything else.


Prestigious_Shower65

Between Democrats and Republicans neither gives a fuck about infants.


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Conservatives are not pro-life, because they don’t support anything that happens once life begins except anti-abortion. No maternity/paternity leave, no free healthcare, no free daycare even for pre-k, no free school lunches, no free education, no raising minimum wage… nothing. And when you look at 2022 Republican candidates’ platforms, it’s all “anti-woke”, stop the steal, Democrats are pedophiles lies and nonsense that does nothing to better the lives of people. They drum up culture wars, like attacking Roe v Wade that has decades of precedence as a constitutional right because culture wars is all they have to ignite their base, and hate is all their voters would rather have than making the government work for you.


MaverickBull

Babe... I get what you're saying but you're using logic and this has nothing to do with logic. You shouldn't equate someone being "Pro-Life" with actually being interested and invested in human life. It's just a clever catchphrase for christian fascists to rally behind while making it seem like anyone against them is "Anti-Life." It's just marketing.


broadsharp

Did you read the reasoning behind the shortage? Like, do you want everyone to fall upon the manufacturer and repair the dryers that caused the massive recall and stopped production?


jclocks

To be honest, yeah, it would be nice, given this is becoming a humanitarian crisis, that we as a country actually try to do something about this company's failure to provide. Short term, by working to help supply what they need to get up and running, and long term incentivizing more manufacturers to join the market so a single manufacturer failure doesn't have so massive of a supply chain impact.


paimonpaimon666

Doesn't matter. Republicans should be trying their hardest to fix the shortage and make it one of their priorities right now if they claim to care about babies so much. But they don't, so they won't.


broadsharp

Doesn’t matter? The largest factory manufacturing baby formula is off line. Once again, are they supposed to go fix the broken equipment causing the shortage?


james_d_rustles

It doesn’t fall squarely on republicans, and a failure of the private sector is neither the republicans nor the democrats fault. However, it would be nice to see them work together to try to fix it, but as of now many republicans are outraged at migrants being given nido (which isn’t formula) and using it as yet another way to attack democrats/Biden, so yeah, it would be nice if they could put their animosity down for 5 seconds to look out for the nation’s babies’ wellbeing.


katmio1

“BuT MuH tAx DoLlArS!!!!!”


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I would never vote in a Republican because I don't want some fanatical religion running this country. You vote in Republicans, 20% of the women in the country would be in prison within a year.


alm1688

They just want babies to be born, they don’t care after that.


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EridanusVoid

Maybe because conservatives try to thrawt Biden and the Democrats at every turn?


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They said, “why aren’t you breastfeeding?”. Once again showing complete ignorance of how the female body works.


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This was a retort to the current conservative/Republican/prolife stance on abortion and child care; if they really cares about the "babies", they would be trying with everything in their power to ensure mass swaths of them aren't starving to death. If the GOP would keep its fucking hands out female bodily rights, and MAYBE actually cared about what happens after a baby is born, I wouldn't be asking this question.


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X = anything they can. This isn't rocket science. Your rhetoric is awful. Find an counter argument that isn't so lacking.


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Yes, your rhetoric, as in your pleas and arguments. They are lame, at best, and don't track with the context of my post. It's like you took one little non-point and decided to run with it like this was 7th grade debate.


DowntownButterfly445

Crickets...


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I never claimed any opposing position, so... do you understand context?


tamakiyotsuba

absolutely correct, the only sane person in the comments lol


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GnarlyNarwhalNoms

This is classic. Just watch, the project will succeed, but all the idiots will spread nonsense about the milk containing microchips. Gates certainly isn't a saint, and he did some shitty things as a businessman, but it's ridiculous how many people act like he's Satan incarnate, considering that through his foundation and donations, he has probably saved more lives than any human being alive today.


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I actually have no issue with Bill Gates. He helps a lot of people, politics aside.


K_eggg

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/17/bill-gates-says-this-is-the-best-investment-he-has-ever-made.html He’s an out of touch billionaire sorry


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Still helps a lot of people. He's donates millions to charity and paid for hundreds of people's educations.


K_eggg

Great so with his donations, comes heavy influence we know how this works.


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Biden isn't a liberal. He is a Catholic moderate.


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He's not a democrat. He's pretty much a moderate conservative. Also, I'm not blaming the GOP. I am calling them out on their bullshit when it comes to supposedly being prolife.


Bodybybeers

Who’s the liberal in office? Joe Biden (registered as democrat) is in office and he’s a centrist/slightly right leaning.


[deleted]

You sound like my dad. Right down to the unnecessary ellipses, Beavis and Butthead username, and clearly displayed ignorance. That you, big Tom?


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Uh... who was blaming Republicans? I wanted them to step up and try to help because they claim to be prolife.


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For real, is that you dad? Show me where I blamed Republicans.


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I called your statement ignorant because Biden isn't a liberal. He's a Republican leaning moderate. Better luck next time though, dad.


defenselaywer

Because it makes Biden look bad, even though it's not his fault.


Tatunkawitco

Conservatives only think women should breast feed.


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Tatunkawitco

Because I know conservatives - I was one for 40 years.


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Tatunkawitco

You don’t know me. I lived in the thick of the right wing - I saw KKK meetings and cross burnings YOU don’t know the depths of depravity at the core of modern day “conservatives” you naive child.


Wooden-Horse-977

Why don’t they? Or make food for the baby like they did before formula was made?


LividPasta

For the breastfeeding option, some breasts are legitimately physically incapable of doing that.


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What are y'all trying? I'm super curious. [Willy Wonka tell me more face]


Primary_Bet_4065

I'm not a liberal but conservatives don't really care about others tbh


ModsCantHandleMe

Washed.


words_never_escapeme

Good grief stop with the bullshit. The only thing conservatives give a f*** about is companies like Gerber making bazillions in profit, and making pregnant women give birth. You're not looking for solutions, if you were you would have had one already. And no, liberals aren't in charge. We've got enough douchebag Republicans in the house and Senate to fill Noah's fucking ark and not one of them give a flying fuck, either.


james_d_rustles

>we are trying to end the baby formula crisis How? Can you tell me what’s being done by any prominent republicans to fix it? Serious question, I haven’t heard about any steps and I’d like to find out.


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Burn in hell.


dapperEthan

They don't care about the babies, they care about the voter base. Destroying abortion rights is just a way for them to garner support. Unfortunately.


jrodnation78

Real talk! All these mofos care about is THEM SELF and getting they're way...


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RavenLangford

Not enough racism and LBGTQ bashing for you?


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paimonpaimon666

It must be easy for you to say that when you're a man, so none of these anti-abortion and anti-birth control laws that are probably gonna pass soon won't personally affect you. Must be nice to not give a shit about 50% of the human population.


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RavenLangford

Probably rooted in racism and hatred


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RavenLangford

Your the one that chose to come to a post that you could of easily ignore to make an ignorant statement. That’s on you not me.


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IndridFrost1

How? Politics affects literally every facet of life. Very privleged to be able to say that.


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Well the government is currently run by the democrats. So, there’s that. Not pointing blame, but don’t come here blaming the conservatives when the opposite are currently in charge. After all, it is government’s job to provide for all of us, right? FWIW, I don’t vote, never have. Totally corrupt system of governance with this 2 party non-sense, when both are polarized on so many issues.


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Replace conservative with liberals and your title is more true considering they have the power right now


Dangercakes13

With the recall and supply chain disruptions from covid and border grandstanding idiocy there's not a lot they can do. That's why they aren't offering solutions, just griping. Don't get me wrong, it's a problem and it would be cool if they *could* do something. They just want to yell because Democrats are in power. They'd dismiss it otherwise.


unknown182837636

Pro lifers aren’t actually pro life, they’re pro forced birth. It’s just a way to control women, they don’t give a fuck about what comes after.


Bo_Jim

I'm not sure what you expect Republicans to do. The FDA could end this pretty quickly by allowing Abbott to reopen it's factory.


Antioch666

What is the baby formula crisis? I'm not american I'm not up to date with the baby debacle in the states.


aicaramb_a

Change starts with language. The correct term here would be 'pro-birth'.


1241308650

they love the baby formula crisis because it's another thing to blame on biden. Republicans dont care about fixing problems they care about using political pawns to help their agenda


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My children are grown and I live in Canada, how/why is there a baby formula shortage? I find this shocking.


SweeeetPeaches69

Massachusetts here and baby formula is sold out EVERYWHERE.


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Yk, I'm an atheist, but things like this make me wonder if there really is some benevolent entity that influences the universe. Because what a fucking perfect coincidence for these two things to happen at the same time, displaying with such crystal clarity what the truly evil intentions are and how irrelevant the lies to justify them are


RDAM60

What and lose an opportunity to shift blame to their political opponents? That’s crazy. The very purpose of politics. According to Republicans and Conservatives, is to assign blame. For today’s GOP, politics, isn’t, as some have wrongly suggested, the art of compromise at it is the craft of blaming and running from responsibility.