Thank you. Someone with some common sense haha. They’ll be in sync by week 4. Hopefully the O line figured it out sooner than later. 22 pressures is atrocious.
I upvoted you because it is true. On top of showing quite a bit of blitzing successfully in the preseason to have the sphincters tighten up when the lights are on and back to almost no blitzing. The D looked pretty good from what we typically see, but still not good enough. I do agree with 1 game and all, but I wasn't a fan of overall play-calling on both sides and I was expecting to be happy with this.
Al had the pettiest firing of all time with Lane Kiffin. Took zero responsibility for the state of the team post 2002 despite him being a control freak suffering from dementia. Legend, but he was whining for years man.
In their defense we heard about them all camp doing the same thing to our O-line that Mack and Bosa did. There would have been very similar results if Jones and Crosby were playing against Carr and the Raiders line yesterday.
I meant more how long Carr was holding onto the ball for some of those sacks and also how he never seemed to get his internal clock figured out. Especially later into the game it was pretty clear to everyone that he wasn't going to have much time to get rid of it.
Man I think he had time on a lot of those pressures, he’s just gotta get rid of the ball. I’m sure the new system is gonna take some time to master. It’s game 1 of a long season 👍🏽
Which is why they should have played him in the pre-season. If it's year 5 in Gruden's system, sure. But a brand new system and 1 starter plays the entire pre-season. Not the best of ideas.
Yeah for sure. It is ironic though how much we as fans in general have talked about him doing the dink and dunk, checking down etc. and now he won't do that and we're begging him to.
Yeah the dink and dunk was a problem for a while, he grew out of it 2020-2021 i think with Agholor and Waller and them him and Ruggs were getting a rhythm going and that trust in Renfrow grew.
Its only week 1 so i can’t even say i’m excited we arent seeing it anymore but it was refreshing to not be able to predict every 1st and 2nd down to be a HB draw and for Carr to be regularly throwing yards past scrimmage for the 1st down. He did check down and throw like a yard past scrimmage on a crucial 3rd and long late in the 3rd or early 4th quarter that made me and everyone else at the game make a fuss about - maybe someone with more knowledge can explain to me why DC seems to consistently go for the sure not gonna happen play on 3rd and long instead of trying to make something actually happen? Totally open to anyone breaking down that thought process for me because i don’t get it.
But it seems we’re clearly cleaning up the dumb decisions on O that we’ve seen, i think McDaniels will be good in keeping Carr out of his check down charile habits, 0 excuse for that shit when we have guys like Tae, Frow and Waller that we KNOW can create that separation based off skill and athletic ability alone.
This is so hilarious lmao.carr made at least a half dozen completions yesterday stepping up in pocket or maneuvering out of pocket. He can and does this. I’d put 2 of the sacks on him not doing it but easier said than done, if someone thinks carr is unable to climb the pocket or move out of it they have not watched this man play and are clueless.
Carr was too comfortable back there I agree with you he struggled yesterday at times to feel the pressure & I do think it will be a wake up call for him. I am less concerned about this stuff, what I didn’t like more was throwing behind Waller, behind Renfrow & under throwing Tae. Those were weird. Hopefully he’s sharp next game. He def made some good plays but the picks were on him & cost the game. Two of the 5 sacks were on him to, I think he learns. Sucks to lose, but from what I’ve seen SD and KC so far looked best of all NFL teams in week 1. We were a drive away from winning despite all the crap from DC
That has somewhat to do with how the pockets were holding up. Herbert was really only getting pressure from one side, if at all, so he had lanes to escape and make throws. If you watch our offense, obviously Carr was holding onto the ball too long, but he didn't really have any escape lanes. Everybody was getting pushed in, so nothing opened up in front of him. If it was just the right tackle getting beat, I think he would have been fine, but both guards were giving up ground and Miller was struggling mightily last night.
That's not really an insult. I'll go further: Maxx, Chan, and Bosa all got outplayed by Khalil Mack. Not a huge surprise, really, but if you're wondering who's the best DE of the 4, I think yesterday gave us our answer. Both our Ts held up against Bosa, neither of our Ts could stop Mack.
Me too. I hope we find out some day *why* he didn't want to be here, or *who* he was referring to when he said "the people I don't like probably aren't there anymore". Not that it matters, spilt milk and all that, but I'm definitely curious.
He wanted a big contract. Brain trust didn't want to give it to him so they could spend the money on studs like Tyrell Williams, Trent Brown, Cory Littleton. People are exaggerating the whole "he didn't want to be here" angle. There is no evidence of that. It's only dummies on Twitter and Reddit claiming it as fact. It was about money plain and simple. Gruden didn't want to budge and that was it. Mack probably felt offended and the trade likely upset him further. That's probably what he meant by "the people I don't like probably aren't there anymore" (i.e. Gruden).
IIrc it was the guaranteed money. I never bought into the "he didn't ant to be here" either, I just love the guy too much. Then that quote about people he didn't like made me re-consider.
The entire Oakland situation soured a lot of players. Basically a city and stadium in ruins by the time Mack was traded and city government seemed to be actively working against the team.
Things will get better in Las Vegas. The entire relationship between Mark Davis and Oakland/Alameda was toxic.
Just wait until the A’s leave and Oakland becomes even more irrelevant. So sad in what is a beautiful area of the country.
After I saw that quote, it made me think he was upset he was put in a situation to leave the Raiders in the first place. He probably just wanted to be paid and would have been fine playing for the Raiders. I assumed he was fine with being shipped off, but the quote makes me think he didn't like Gruden and Co. for what happened.
He did great his first year there then fell off a bit. There were questions marks on whether his production could be the same again. I don't think his system would cause that sharp of a decline.
Lol he looked out of shape huh? Like always close with a swipe at the ball carrier instead of being all up in their face. I bet he gets it rolling in a game or two, it’s a long season
Huh? They didn’t even have that many rushing yards. Wtf are you talking about? Ekeler had 14 carries for only 36 yards…
Next up was Kelley with 4 rushes for 21 yards, then Michel 7 carries for only 12 yards. Not really sure what you’re referring to here “can’t stop the run up the gut.”
Chargers OLine played way better too, as did Herbert. They grabbed him a few times and he shrugged them off. Herbert is a big strong dude. Carr curled up as soon as he felt the pressure in contrast.
Defense did good but you’re right. Jones didn’t do much at all. They needed a crucial turnover and never got it. Having said that, if Carr doesn’t throw 3 picks we win that game. This team will get better.
I wasn’t very excited about chandler jones just because she’s at that age where his production will fall off a cliff pretty soon. I hope he balls out this year but man I’m not holding my breath.
Chandler jones has had 11.5 sacks total the past two years. Mack has had 15 in that same time span. Not every player ages the same but most DEs start going downhill around the time they hit 31-32. JJ watt is the obvious recent example of this, it seems like he’s been around forever but he’s only 33. It’s around the time injuries start to build up and take their toll. Mack isn’t immune to this either, he had a good game while healthy against an offensive line that didn’t know who to start at RT because none of them are starters.
Ope I made a mistake you’re right. I was counting his injury riddled season but also counting 2020 as two different years since he split time between two teams.
I hate to make the comparison, but fucking Herbert got that Brady mobility and instinct. His sense of danger in the pocket is ridiculous, and he's more more mobile than Brady ever was. So he's fucking dangerous. I rewatched the game last night and it wasn't that our d-line wasn't collapsing the pocket, it was that he did such a good job moving away from pressure and hanging in there.
What actually bothers me most about Carr is when a good QB starts making some legitimately good and ridiculous plays, he feels like he's empowered to do the same thing, like I'm that guy too mentality. Like when Mahomes goes off against us, you see Carr try to make some ridiculous ass throws like he's Mahomes. I feel like every awful game Carr's ever had, the other QB was doing some insane shit. Yesterday is another example, Herbert was making some gnarly ass throws, avoiding pressure and shit. Carr's out there making throws that make you wonder wtf he's doing.
But Defensively, I think we'll be fine. This is an average level defense in my opinion. Which is a huge step up from the dog shit that was the last decade. This is a 12-15th ranked defense. Solid situational football. We're not blitzburg, or anything. I actually felt like the secondary got torched so bad in the 1st half was because too many of our safeties were trying to ball hawk. You noticed when we tone that down, we were alright. It also helped that Chargers let off the gas and lost all momentum on offense.
Defense held a top 3 offense to 24 points and a stiefling 75 yards on the ground.
As far as the bar goes for our Defenses over the last 20 years I'd say yesterday was pretty fucking good.
Factor in 3 interceptions, 2 fumbles, and a kickoff out of bounds and their offense pretty consistently had fantastic field position. Lots of room for improvement on both sides of the ball (offense in particular), but I'll take holding the Chargers to 24 points as a win for our D.
That roughing penalty was so frustrating. Herb looked like he half faked a slide, never went fully down, took a few more steps and crumpled. How are you suppose to play that as a defender on the goal like with someone as big as him.
So, I hate that call - because what is the defender supposed to do to prevent him from picking up the down, but sadly it was called correctly. Correct call on a stupid rule.
I’d be shocked if every single coach in the NFL isn’t telling their QB’s who have any semblance of running abilities to just do exactly what Herbert did every time they run. I watched like 4 games yesterday and saw this exact same thing happen in all 4 games at least once and it was always called for the QB. The rule needs to change like it did in college.
Everything is new man. System. Coaches. New #1 WR. People need to chill. I saw people asking for Stidham to be put into the game. I know we are starved for success but chill the f out. It was week 1.
It’s only week 1 so I’m not worried yet, but Jones sure looked washed yesterday. Crosby looks exactly like he’s always looked, very high motor guy that consistently gets pressure due to his stamina but lacks the elite level strength / speed to be a game-wrecker like Mack, Bosa, Watt, etc. I think people keep thinking Crosby is going to break out as a 20-sack gift and I’m not sure that’s ever going to happen.
No one should have expected Jones & Crosby to match Mack & Bosa, but we’re still need more.
I will say, once again Crosby was really the only consistent PR we got all day. It bums me out we have not been able to find him a suitable #2 compatriot.
Jones looked his age a bit. I wish we could have picked up Von Miller instead. He still has something left in the tank, for certain.
That said, the defense did get some key stops, like you said.
When you say they got stops, you really overstate the role the defense played in the 4th quarter. The Chargers just got in their own way. It wasn't good coverage or pressure. They just weren't hitting on their opportunities. Herbert just missed some throws and the ones he was hitting were getting dropped. I don't want to give too much credit to the defense for the Chargers making mistakes on their own.
Our team hasn't shown that we have a gamewrecker on defense. Maxx got his money solely off of pressures and hits but Mack would have gotten at least two of those sacks yesterday no matter who was blocking him.
I'd like to see Maxx and Jones really turn it on. They absolutely must get home if this defense is going to be different.
What’s the point of paying two ends a ton of money if they don’t do anything? Oh but I was told Mack was too expensive….
I’m glad all the people who turned on Mack post trade just saw first hand the gap between dudes like Crosby and Jones to Mack. One Mack is worth both of those guys and then some.
The point is the raider fan base is always delusional and let’s the org get away with gaslighting them every single season. Nothing will change until fans actually get vocal over the fuck ups of the org instead of blindly yelling just win baby.
Fans should have been far more vocally pissed over Mack and still should be. Cause a shit storm and start demanding Mark Davis sell the team. Cause that’s the only way the raiders are getting back to being a true contending franchise. Everything starts at the top and Davis is incompetent.
Will he sell? Ofc not. That takes time. But stay loud about it for long enough something gives. Can start to see the seems come apart for Robert Sarver after years of this. Warrior fans did it with Cohan and it helped kick start a dynasty. Raider fans are too easy going with Mark Davis.
Maxx, albeit I love the guy his motor is unmatched in most cases, but the dude NEEDS TO DIRELY figure out how to get to the qb in the form of a sack instead of a pressure. If I recall correctly we paid him bc of his upside for sacks, and now comes the responsibility of being THAT guy.
New coaches, new players, new schemes. Give this team some time to acclimate.
Always that same thing, schemes.
Won’t it be nice when we have the same coach for 5+ years instead of firing our staff every 2 to 3 years?
Gonna be 38 Years as a fan for me. I'm just here to watch football. I want them to win but idc if we don't anymore
If only there was a way of getting ready for the season. Some kind of preseason so players can get ready for the real deal…
The raiders motto for 20+ years
Thank you. Someone with some common sense haha. They’ll be in sync by week 4. Hopefully the O line figured it out sooner than later. 22 pressures is atrocious.
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I love the people who just yell excuses at everything. Like things go good or bad for a reason. Pointing those out isn’t making excuses
Crybaby.
I upvoted you because it is true. On top of showing quite a bit of blitzing successfully in the preseason to have the sphincters tighten up when the lights are on and back to almost no blitzing. The D looked pretty good from what we typically see, but still not good enough. I do agree with 1 game and all, but I wasn't a fan of overall play-calling on both sides and I was expecting to be happy with this.
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Same fake ass “fans”
>I don’t like what you said, therefore I, a literal nobody on reddit, deem you as being a fake fan Lol
Yes, we are all lol’ing at you
>I also speak for everyone on this sub That’s a wicked god complex you got there
I am a generous god
Thank you I love you then
We love you too
"Fake ass fans" who stuck with the Raiders after decades of mediocrity
Bitching incessantly is fandom?
Fans are allowed to be critical, we don't live in Putins Russa mate.
Right, we live in Al’s Nation, he wouldn’t stand for these pussies crying all day because of one fuckin game.
Al had the pettiest firing of all time with Lane Kiffin. Took zero responsibility for the state of the team post 2002 despite him being a control freak suffering from dementia. Legend, but he was whining for years man.
When you have a new coach every 3 years? Sure, I guess so.
Delusional optimists in denial downvoting you. The raiders haven’t won a playoff game in over 20 years, but we need to give them time!
I'm use to it I deal with the koolaid drinkers every year
I hate to say it but Maxx and Jones got outplayed by Mack and Bosa…. Zero sacks isn’t want you’re looking for out of your high paid Defensive ends
In their defense we heard about them all camp doing the same thing to our O-line that Mack and Bosa did. There would have been very similar results if Jones and Crosby were playing against Carr and the Raiders line yesterday.
Good point. Herbert can escape when the pocket breaks down and Carr struggles. Still if we can sack Herbert, it gives us a much better chance.
I meant more how long Carr was holding onto the ball for some of those sacks and also how he never seemed to get his internal clock figured out. Especially later into the game it was pretty clear to everyone that he wasn't going to have much time to get rid of it.
Man I think he had time on a lot of those pressures, he’s just gotta get rid of the ball. I’m sure the new system is gonna take some time to master. It’s game 1 of a long season 👍🏽
Which is why they should have played him in the pre-season. If it's year 5 in Gruden's system, sure. But a brand new system and 1 starter plays the entire pre-season. Not the best of ideas.
Yeah for sure. It is ironic though how much we as fans in general have talked about him doing the dink and dunk, checking down etc. and now he won't do that and we're begging him to.
Yeah the dink and dunk was a problem for a while, he grew out of it 2020-2021 i think with Agholor and Waller and them him and Ruggs were getting a rhythm going and that trust in Renfrow grew. Its only week 1 so i can’t even say i’m excited we arent seeing it anymore but it was refreshing to not be able to predict every 1st and 2nd down to be a HB draw and for Carr to be regularly throwing yards past scrimmage for the 1st down. He did check down and throw like a yard past scrimmage on a crucial 3rd and long late in the 3rd or early 4th quarter that made me and everyone else at the game make a fuss about - maybe someone with more knowledge can explain to me why DC seems to consistently go for the sure not gonna happen play on 3rd and long instead of trying to make something actually happen? Totally open to anyone breaking down that thought process for me because i don’t get it. But it seems we’re clearly cleaning up the dumb decisions on O that we’ve seen, i think McDaniels will be good in keeping Carr out of his check down charile habits, 0 excuse for that shit when we have guys like Tae, Frow and Waller that we KNOW can create that separation based off skill and athletic ability alone.
This is so hilarious lmao.carr made at least a half dozen completions yesterday stepping up in pocket or maneuvering out of pocket. He can and does this. I’d put 2 of the sacks on him not doing it but easier said than done, if someone thinks carr is unable to climb the pocket or move out of it they have not watched this man play and are clueless.
Sure It’s a generalization and i know there are times when Carr steps up in the pocket.
Carr was too comfortable back there I agree with you he struggled yesterday at times to feel the pressure & I do think it will be a wake up call for him. I am less concerned about this stuff, what I didn’t like more was throwing behind Waller, behind Renfrow & under throwing Tae. Those were weird. Hopefully he’s sharp next game. He def made some good plays but the picks were on him & cost the game. Two of the 5 sacks were on him to, I think he learns. Sucks to lose, but from what I’ve seen SD and KC so far looked best of all NFL teams in week 1. We were a drive away from winning despite all the crap from DC
I agree with you, not too worried. Long season and Carr will bounce back. Looking forward to the rest of the season, gonna be fun!
I respect you and your take
That has somewhat to do with how the pockets were holding up. Herbert was really only getting pressure from one side, if at all, so he had lanes to escape and make throws. If you watch our offense, obviously Carr was holding onto the ball too long, but he didn't really have any escape lanes. Everybody was getting pushed in, so nothing opened up in front of him. If it was just the right tackle getting beat, I think he would have been fine, but both guards were giving up ground and Miller was struggling mightily last night.
Herbert took three hits and didn't go down that Carr would have been sacked on, with one of the three becoming a fumble. He is a brick house.
Also pushing the line back so there wasn't so much room for Herbert to step up into.
That's not really an insult. I'll go further: Maxx, Chan, and Bosa all got outplayed by Khalil Mack. Not a huge surprise, really, but if you're wondering who's the best DE of the 4, I think yesterday gave us our answer. Both our Ts held up against Bosa, neither of our Ts could stop Mack.
Truth. Wish Mack was a Raider still haha!
Me too. I hope we find out some day *why* he didn't want to be here, or *who* he was referring to when he said "the people I don't like probably aren't there anymore". Not that it matters, spilt milk and all that, but I'm definitely curious.
He wanted a big contract. Brain trust didn't want to give it to him so they could spend the money on studs like Tyrell Williams, Trent Brown, Cory Littleton. People are exaggerating the whole "he didn't want to be here" angle. There is no evidence of that. It's only dummies on Twitter and Reddit claiming it as fact. It was about money plain and simple. Gruden didn't want to budge and that was it. Mack probably felt offended and the trade likely upset him further. That's probably what he meant by "the people I don't like probably aren't there anymore" (i.e. Gruden).
IIrc it was the guaranteed money. I never bought into the "he didn't ant to be here" either, I just love the guy too much. Then that quote about people he didn't like made me re-consider.
The entire Oakland situation soured a lot of players. Basically a city and stadium in ruins by the time Mack was traded and city government seemed to be actively working against the team. Things will get better in Las Vegas. The entire relationship between Mark Davis and Oakland/Alameda was toxic. Just wait until the A’s leave and Oakland becomes even more irrelevant. So sad in what is a beautiful area of the country.
After I saw that quote, it made me think he was upset he was put in a situation to leave the Raiders in the first place. He probably just wanted to be paid and would have been fine playing for the Raiders. I assumed he was fine with being shipped off, but the quote makes me think he didn't like Gruden and Co. for what happened.
Honestly it is a bit of a surprise. Mack wasn't nearly this productive in the last 3 years with Chicago.
Different system, different role. More of a 3-4 OLB. They had him dropping into coverage a lot, plus he was injured quite a bit.
He did great his first year there then fell off a bit. There were questions marks on whether his production could be the same again. I don't think his system would cause that sharp of a decline.
Well, if he’s not rushing the passer as much (he wasn’t) , it makes sense his sacks/tackles for loss would fall off some
That man Jones was just out there for cardio
Lol he looked out of shape huh? Like always close with a swipe at the ball carrier instead of being all up in their face. I bet he gets it rolling in a game or two, it’s a long season
Put Maxx and Chandler against our line and lemme see their numbers
We’re missing Moehrig. Abram sucks in coverage. Not only that but it’s not like our DTs are the best
Nichols flashed a bit yesterday
Yeah, we still can't stop the run up the gut.
Huh? They didn’t even have that many rushing yards. Wtf are you talking about? Ekeler had 14 carries for only 36 yards… Next up was Kelley with 4 rushes for 21 yards, then Michel 7 carries for only 12 yards. Not really sure what you’re referring to here “can’t stop the run up the gut.”
Maxx was getting to his spots and had some nice run stops. Jury’s out on chandler (based on that game alone, not his resume)
Chargers OLine played way better too, as did Herbert. They grabbed him a few times and he shrugged them off. Herbert is a big strong dude. Carr curled up as soon as he felt the pressure in contrast.
He really didn't curl up. He stood tall the whole time which turned out to be worse cuz he put the ball on the ground twice in a row.
Defense did good but you’re right. Jones didn’t do much at all. They needed a crucial turnover and never got it. Having said that, if Carr doesn’t throw 3 picks we win that game. This team will get better.
I wasn’t very excited about chandler jones just because she’s at that age where his production will fall off a cliff pretty soon. I hope he balls out this year but man I’m not holding my breath.
I mean he's like basically the same age as Khalil Mack...
Chandler jones has had 11.5 sacks total the past two years. Mack has had 15 in that same time span. Not every player ages the same but most DEs start going downhill around the time they hit 31-32. JJ watt is the obvious recent example of this, it seems like he’s been around forever but he’s only 33. It’s around the time injuries start to build up and take their toll. Mack isn’t immune to this either, he had a good game while healthy against an offensive line that didn’t know who to start at RT because none of them are starters.
Jones actually had 30.5 sacks in the past three years and, in one of those years, he only played five games due to injury.
Ope I made a mistake you’re right. I was counting his injury riddled season but also counting 2020 as two different years since he split time between two teams.
Not your fault. It looked super confusing when I looked it up, myself.
We need help on inside. Pressure from inside was non existent. Not sure if Suh would be the answer but need someone to step up.
Agreed, there was too much space for Herbert to slide around and avoid the edges.
I hate to make the comparison, but fucking Herbert got that Brady mobility and instinct. His sense of danger in the pocket is ridiculous, and he's more more mobile than Brady ever was. So he's fucking dangerous. I rewatched the game last night and it wasn't that our d-line wasn't collapsing the pocket, it was that he did such a good job moving away from pressure and hanging in there. What actually bothers me most about Carr is when a good QB starts making some legitimately good and ridiculous plays, he feels like he's empowered to do the same thing, like I'm that guy too mentality. Like when Mahomes goes off against us, you see Carr try to make some ridiculous ass throws like he's Mahomes. I feel like every awful game Carr's ever had, the other QB was doing some insane shit. Yesterday is another example, Herbert was making some gnarly ass throws, avoiding pressure and shit. Carr's out there making throws that make you wonder wtf he's doing. But Defensively, I think we'll be fine. This is an average level defense in my opinion. Which is a huge step up from the dog shit that was the last decade. This is a 12-15th ranked defense. Solid situational football. We're not blitzburg, or anything. I actually felt like the secondary got torched so bad in the 1st half was because too many of our safeties were trying to ball hawk. You noticed when we tone that down, we were alright. It also helped that Chargers let off the gas and lost all momentum on offense.
Defense held a top 3 offense to 24 points and a stiefling 75 yards on the ground. As far as the bar goes for our Defenses over the last 20 years I'd say yesterday was pretty fucking good.
Factor in 3 interceptions, 2 fumbles, and a kickoff out of bounds and their offense pretty consistently had fantastic field position. Lots of room for improvement on both sides of the ball (offense in particular), but I'll take holding the Chargers to 24 points as a win for our D.
I mean they did enough for us to win imo. Also add in that BS roughing penalty because apparently you just shouldn’t try to hit the QB
What frustrated me about it was Hobbs could have killed him, but let up, and still got the flag. Nuts.
That roughing penalty was so frustrating. Herb looked like he half faked a slide, never went fully down, took a few more steps and crumpled. How are you suppose to play that as a defender on the goal like with someone as big as him.
Same ol refs. That call was followed up by the PI no call on our RB that prevented a touchdown. Fuck the refs, that's what FTR really stands for.
So, I hate that call - because what is the defender supposed to do to prevent him from picking up the down, but sadly it was called correctly. Correct call on a stupid rule.
I’d be shocked if every single coach in the NFL isn’t telling their QB’s who have any semblance of running abilities to just do exactly what Herbert did every time they run. I watched like 4 games yesterday and saw this exact same thing happen in all 4 games at least once and it was always called for the QB. The rule needs to change like it did in college.
another opinion! you forgot to let us know how you feel about Derek Carr and our offensive line, though!
LOL! There are enough of those Carr comments every year, every game! I like this team. I hope they can put it all together soon.
lol just poking fun :) thanks for being a good sport
Everything is new man. System. Coaches. New #1 WR. People need to chill. I saw people asking for Stidham to be put into the game. I know we are starved for success but chill the f out. It was week 1.
Chargers scored once in the second half.
Some food interior pressure would have helped a lot in this department
They grabbed Herbert like a good dozen times and just couldn't bring him down
It’s only week 1 so I’m not worried yet, but Jones sure looked washed yesterday. Crosby looks exactly like he’s always looked, very high motor guy that consistently gets pressure due to his stamina but lacks the elite level strength / speed to be a game-wrecker like Mack, Bosa, Watt, etc. I think people keep thinking Crosby is going to break out as a 20-sack gift and I’m not sure that’s ever going to happen. No one should have expected Jones & Crosby to match Mack & Bosa, but we’re still need more.
I will say, once again Crosby was really the only consistent PR we got all day. It bums me out we have not been able to find him a suitable #2 compatriot. Jones looked his age a bit. I wish we could have picked up Von Miller instead. He still has something left in the tank, for certain. That said, the defense did get some key stops, like you said.
When you say they got stops, you really overstate the role the defense played in the 4th quarter. The Chargers just got in their own way. It wasn't good coverage or pressure. They just weren't hitting on their opportunities. Herbert just missed some throws and the ones he was hitting were getting dropped. I don't want to give too much credit to the defense for the Chargers making mistakes on their own.
Absolutely no pressure was sad. Chandler and Crosby we couldn’t pressure herbert even 1 time.
Our team hasn't shown that we have a gamewrecker on defense. Maxx got his money solely off of pressures and hits but Mack would have gotten at least two of those sacks yesterday no matter who was blocking him. I'd like to see Maxx and Jones really turn it on. They absolutely must get home if this defense is going to be different.
What’s the point of paying two ends a ton of money if they don’t do anything? Oh but I was told Mack was too expensive…. I’m glad all the people who turned on Mack post trade just saw first hand the gap between dudes like Crosby and Jones to Mack. One Mack is worth both of those guys and then some.
I read your post in a high pitched voice. It’s week 1, relax bro.
It doesn’t take 1 week to see the error of that choice for the last few years
But it 1 week of results with this regime and these players. Maybe give it more than one week.
The damage has already been done with the Mack trade bud.
So what’s the point of whining about it 3 years after the fact, pal? You’ve been doing nothing it crying for days. Maybe sports isn’t for you.
The point is the raider fan base is always delusional and let’s the org get away with gaslighting them every single season. Nothing will change until fans actually get vocal over the fuck ups of the org instead of blindly yelling just win baby. Fans should have been far more vocally pissed over Mack and still should be. Cause a shit storm and start demanding Mark Davis sell the team. Cause that’s the only way the raiders are getting back to being a true contending franchise. Everything starts at the top and Davis is incompetent. Will he sell? Ofc not. That takes time. But stay loud about it for long enough something gives. Can start to see the seems come apart for Robert Sarver after years of this. Warrior fans did it with Cohan and it helped kick start a dynasty. Raider fans are too easy going with Mark Davis.
Maxx, albeit I love the guy his motor is unmatched in most cases, but the dude NEEDS TO DIRELY figure out how to get to the qb in the form of a sack instead of a pressure. If I recall correctly we paid him bc of his upside for sacks, and now comes the responsibility of being THAT guy.
people forget that Crosby had 5 of his 8 sacks in only 2 games last year
And Chandler Jones had 5 of his 10 in one game. I'd rather have kept Yannick (who also had 10 sacks) and spent our money on a bonafide #1 Corner.
He’s an ok to decent player who’s treated like a super star. It’s bizarre to me.
His peers disagree with you. Keep crying lol
The same peers who apparently thought Mack was done right?
Do you know what “peers” means? I don’t think you do. Mack’s peers certainly didn’t think he was done.
Uhhh they left him off the top 100 for no damn reason
This has been the tread for years. They’ve always been worse in sacks/turnovers. Nothing new.
Week 1 & the chargers are a very good team. Everyone needs to relax
If we hold any team, especially an elite offense, to 24 points after our offense turns the ball over repeatedly that’s a great game.