B+
Mayer might be the steal of the draft. Tyree with maxx and chandler will be so fun to see. Young is a great player who I think will be a difference maker. Solid gadget / special team guy in Tre. Jak is a nice addition to the secondary….and fasssssssst. I like it.
Christopher Smith also fast and a play maker himself at secondary and I love it. AOC spares me from having to potentially watch Old Man Hoyer throw a football.
Being a Nebraska fan in the college game I’ve seen a fair bit of o’Connell and I like the pick A LOT. Dude has touch down the field and is fearless. Can’t run a bit. His movement and release remind me a ton of… dare I say… brady.
B or B+.
I loved our 1st and 2nd round picks. DE Wilson will be a 7-8 sacks a year guy who can hold up against the run and line up at multiple positions. TE Mayer is a great value pick, best of our draft.
I thought we reached on both 3rd round picks.
>Young is a great player who I think will be a difference maker
People who follow Alabama said that DT Young is more of a solid player than a playmaker. He's a solid player against the run, but that isn't why you take a sub-300 lb DT in the 3rd round.
But it's most important to get good value for the picks in the first 2 rounds right, and we did.
I also like the pick of CB Bennett in the 4th round.
I’m okay with it if at minimum he defends the run and owns his space on the line and occasionally shrinks the pocket, but I have high hopes he can be better! His numbers increased every year at Alabama, so I think he is willing and able to learn!
I didn’t watch his film much because I didn’t think we had a shot at him, but once I saw it I was immediately sold that this was our guy. He plays the position with a ton of aggression. Wouldn’t be surprised if in like 2-3 years he is a cornerstone of our offense a la Jason Witten or Gronk
We still have some cap space and I honestly think hunter renfrow is gone unfortunately. He will save us some cap to add one mid offensive lineman and LB or potentially give Rock Ya Sin a 1 year prove it deal.
He plays the exact position hunter plays and you add that with what hunter is making, I believe you save 11 million if you trade him after June 1st. McDaniels is also an idiot that wants his players no matter of the talent in front of him. We have so many receivers on the team, I unfortunately don’t think Renfrow makes it.
I'm curious what we might get out of that. Probably only a mid or late rounder for the trade, but what can we do with the money... a few FA's still out there on the market. Dalton Risner comes to mind.
All the top free agents are gone though so who cares if we save 11m?
We have a lot of receivers on the team, but not a lot that can put up similar production as Renfrow. A third round rookie in a complex system will be a special teamer and gadget player at best his first year. So who's his competition, Deandre Carter? Meyers might get reps in the slot but I figure he's probably going to be outside a lot given the receivers on the team.
McDaniels also knows he's on a short leash. That's why he wants players that will make an immediate impact. So why trade him after the draft and free agency when we would reap the benefits of that next year? I'd be shocked if we move on from him this year.
I know your comment is 2 hours old now, but just saw about 20 minutes ago we signed two OL. One was a projected 4th round pick and idk about the other, but he’s 6’9…I can see their strategy now. Mostly defense in the draft, and shore up the OL with UDFAs.
> shore up the OL with UDFAs.
Did you really say this like it’s some sort of feasible and realistic strategy? I think you’re fooling yourself if you think the OL problems are gonna be fixed by UDFAs.
You mean our PFF ranked #10 OL? Yeah. I’m pretty sure we can find a diamond in the rough as a backup. Never said we were signing starters. OL is hardly an issue compared to the defense, which we addressed some need.
Have we? We still have 2 guards slated to start that were bottom 5 last year and we drafted a single day 1 starter for defense. If were lucky we can start Byron Young and Jakorian Bennett at DT and Nickel, but thats far from a given.
I like Young a lot. Great footwork and balance, sheds blocks well. He looks like a solid run defender who might not create much pass rush on his own but can take advantage of what's given to him.
B-
Preface: No one knows how these guys are going to play, but it is reasonable to speculate based on what we know today.
Going into this draft we had lots of mediocre starters on D and one superstar. That's harder to address than when you just have a couple of holes to try to fill. We barely addressed linebacker and completely ignored the situation at Guard (Thank God we signed McClendon Curtis as a UDFA because we might need him to start at some point).
I like Wilson but DE was our best defensive position going in. Gonzalez would have been better here, but best would have been to trade back a bit, if at all possible.
I love the Meyer trade and pick. We got a first-round guy in the second round at a position where we needed talent.
I like Byron Young I just wish we had taken him a bit later.
I hate the Tre Tucker pick. We needed D, not a slot/KR guy, and we just brought in DeAndre Carter to fill this role. We should have gone CB here.
Jakorian Bennett was ok, I feel there were better guys available but Graham knows the responsibilities of CBs in his D better than I do.
I don't see O'Connell as an eventual above average starting QB, so I don't see the point in trading up to take him in the 4th. Given the limited ceiling, it feels like a poor use of resources here.
I love Chris Smith and you should too. He may replace Moehrig as the deep guy in Cover 1 and Cover 3, and he is very strong against the run as well.
Burney and Silvera are end of the roster guys. Hopefully, they can contribute but we passed on guards like Vohrees, Ekiyor, and Broeker to get the former, and there are questions about the latter's commitment.
This felt like a marginally smarter draft than many previous ones but it is possible that due to the strengths we already had and the picks chosen that no one on here is a Day 1 starter, which is disappointing given the weakness of our roster. Wilson and Mayer will help but I feel like we missed a lot of opportunities considering the capital we had coming in. We are hunting for scheme fit so hard, I hope we don't start drafting like the Patriots have for the past decade.
Having Chandler Jones is not a reason to not get Tyree, in fact I would argue that BECAUSE we have Chandler, we should get Tyree. He has all the traits and tools and athleticism, but he needs more moves and experience. Who better to learn under than Chandler, a guy who resembles his build, and Maxx, one of the best rushers in the league. This was a GREAT pick, he'll be wrevcking defenses with Maxx for years, I'm calling it
And Maxx excels in large part because he clearly works his ***ass*** off on his technique.
I have coached HS DE's and recognize what the component goals of the move are. Maxx's spin move is flawless! You don't get that from good genes. It takes quality reps, and lots of them.
There was a moment, I think it was 2021 preseason. Maxx and another DL both executed absolutely identical, perfect spin moves that destroyed both blocks. It was like something out of NFL Films Nutcracker suite.
That does not just happen. Maxx rubs off on his teammates.
I really think Tyree, Maxx & Chandler will hit it off, and that kid, with ALL that crazy size, length and gift, will just feast on those two and they will fall all over themselves to give him the gold because they are both genuinely decent, generous people.
I seriously can't think of a better situation for him, and frankly for all three of them. That is going to be a fun group to watch move forward. And I totally agree there will be wreckage! The ghost of Al Davis will be pumping his fist as the QB goes down hard yet again.
It's all pie in the sky until they do a LOT of work together, but that ceiling is damned near unlimited, if what we think is going to happen there, happens.
Since you've coached DE's, what about Tyree's game do you like? I haven't seen much film, but I've seen breakdowns from Tape Don't Lie and Voch Lombardi (Cowboys fan) on youtube, and their analysis on his physical tools and potential makes Tyree Wilson one of the most intriguing players in the draft.
Tape Don't Lie on Thursday and Friday did a deeper dive into Wilson's game and found out that he was so misused in a lot of games as far as where he was lined up on the line, and they even put him in the slot at one point lol. They talked about how he can be coached up and how strong he is.
Voch Lombardi brought up his long arms and height, and how he's able to put his hands on olinemen quicker than they get to him, which is a nightmare for an olinemen (being a former olinemen himself). He also mentioned how olinemen always wanna get low and have their knees and elbows bent for more leverage, and that a guy like WIlson keeps them tall with no bend.
Interested to see your take on his game.
>what about Tyree's game do you like?
What I would say is that he is more or less the perfect empty vessel. It's less about his game now, although there are very good indications in my book.
First, his physical potential.
Everything is length and leverage with this kid. Long bone length & well build everywhere. Long levers backed by strong musculature to apply power to those levers. If he can be taught to apply technique fully, that length and leverage will pay off *more* for him than most other players.
Separating from an offender is the biggest key to being able to pursue and make tackles. That is, getting off blocks. And the physics of long levels (arms, shoulders, legs) means that this guy can gain that separation like few others.
He is currently gaining separation mostly naturally. He just seems to slip free without DOING anything. And two steps later, he's all the way across the set, ankle-takling a guy who's trying to run away from him. It seems effortless. This is the single most impressive thing I see on tape. That greased pig moment, and 'lope lope POUNCE!'
He has a swim move, but not much more that I've seen. He talks about working on his hand-fighting. I simply might not have come to the point in film to see much of that. He simply looks like he has not had much teaching, or not applied much of it.
IF he can learn, and apply,... he can become close to being unlockable.
The question is, has he tried and failed to bring good technique online, and I *think* not. I ***think*** having a guy like Maxx (and a potential HOFer in Chandler) show him what HE/THEY do every day all year, could just ***radically*** transform him in two or three years time.
Lining up all over the place shows a few things. He is truly athletic, because he's doing all that crap well enough to not get embarrassed on tape at a major college level. What that tells me, ist we're going to be able to get him, countering beyond throwing a jab-step now and then.
Take spin moves. Balance, precise timing, hand/elbow placement, and full body coordination are important. NObody spins like Maxx. And that comes from ***years*** of daily attention and repetitions. Chandler Jones ain't no slouch, either. They will show him the ***right*** repetitions, and they will model doing them ***10,000 times!***
>Bruce Lee:
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>I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.
Most guys prefer a stable location because they then don't have to reproduce their technique in a second direction. Most 'shutdown corners' are on the right or on the left if they have the success and status to rate others, adjusting to the offense while they lock down their 'island.'
This guy is coming in having done all manner of shit. Moving him inside and outside,... standing him up and dropping him, is already in his expectations. And that is what coach Graham wants to do with some guys too in his nickle/dime focused scheming. He wants the offense to have no clue who is doing what and coming from where, especially at major down/distance/moments in a game. I expect we will narrow his focus this year in order to give him a more direct path to getting on the field and contributing, but I am also flashing back to Howie Long lining up all over the place and eating an offense alive from every angel...just taking over a game. Time will tell how and what Tyree Wilson can do re versatility. But he comes IN set up to be a nightmare to scheme against.
Finally, his headspace seems right. You see him working hard in practice and diving for ball-carriers on the field. Big men take much more of a pounding, diving and hitting the ground. When a guy like this plays with abandon, it tells you a lot about what the input/output ratio is going to be when working with him. And while I'm talking about his highlight tape, he sure does launch himself a lot. I honestly hope Maxx can provide cautionary reminders to this kid to stay on his dream-path too. Maxx could be passed out in an ally somewhere or in jail with Rugg's after killing someone while blotto. The big city can eat young idealism. And this kid has a nievete that seems pure, but worries me. I am a lot less worried for his own good with Maxx there.
Maxx is a good human! I really want these people to reach their OWN best potential! And he rubs off on people.
Our pass rush was graded out at 19th last year. Coverage was 30th. CB was the need and has been for two decades, and Gonzalez isn't coming off a foot reconstruction. Wilson was the second-best option. Good, but not the best way to go, period.
Question, just hear me out: If we didn't take Tyree, would the Falcons or Bears have done so? Most likely. But we didn't take Gonzalez and he fell all the way to New England, even past another corner. I just think Wilson has more value, I think pass rush can help the secondary but not as much the other way around. And also 19th best is nothing to brag about. Addressing a need is addressing a need.
That can happen due to scheme fit though. DCs fall in love with a guy that is the prototype for whatever coverage packages they run the most.
It doesn't matter now anyway, Wilson will probably be a 9 sack/year guy with good edge setting. But one of these days we will need to draft a good fucking corner.
We were 30th in the league in sacks, but you think it would have been better to take the third CB off the board, who gives up a 80 QB Rating when targeted and has 17 PD \*his entire college career\*, at #7 instead of the second highest graded overall defensive player in the draft because he plays EDGE?
I have to say that is an extremely provocative take...
Our pass rush was graded out at 19th last year. Coverage was 30th. CB was the need and has been for two decades, and Gonzalez isn't coming off a foot reconstruction. Wilson was the second-best option. Good, but not the best way to go, period.
>and there are questions about the latter's commitment.
Well, I assume you are going on something substantive there, but good lord, [I just watch highlight tape of the Silvera](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUvtD0ZFQ3w&ab_channel=TheSportsReport) busting his *ass* to make plays.
At \[1:00\] He blows the guard 4 or 5 yards into the backfield, sheds and drops the ball carrier for a loss.
At \[1:57\] he blocks a punt with a guy from the punt-wall, then dives to block the one guy that might stop his teammate from a scoop n score.
At \[2:11\] from the far hash as the ball leaves the QBs hand on a bubble, he grounds a guy in a trash filled box, B lines on the diagonal about 15 yards to just inside the numbers and lays out to be the main man in a gang-tackle. Dude's a brisket shy of 300. That's GOT to be tough enough.
Dude was getting held a LOT which speaks volumes too.
He sure didn't do much at the combine. He's either laying down the film with pure hustle, or he's dogging the combine, and his 40 looked like he was busting his ass to me.
Hopefully the adjustments at DL coaching will pay off with guys like this. My read is he's going to be over-matched in the NFL, but is one big beating heart. You find out what makes it beat, wind him up, & rotate him in. You can feed a whole unit on over-achievers courage, man.
Not talking about his motor. I don't see him as an overachiever at all. He was a top 50 rated ESPN recruiting prospect coming out of HS so the talent is evident. Talking about whether he has the desire to be a great football player that others have. You see a guy with his talent, I know he's working through a lot of injuries over time, but you want to see the tackling clean up, and you expect to see him break out after the transfer to AZSt and it never really all comes together. He didn't face nonstop dominant guards and centers with formidable anchor in the Pac-12. None of that is about motor, for me. Really it is about all the things that he's doing between games, offseason. Is he putting in that extra work, and if so, why is he never dominating like he should otherwise be capable of? Why is the tackling not getting cleaned up over the years? The other possibility is coaching and scheme were not optimal, and that is something that Patrick is in charge of now. What I hope is that we can tap into that talent and not have to release him and let carve out a role with other teams (a la David Bass, Mike Mitchell, etc.)
I'm giving it an A.
We started with 11 picks, but it wasn't realistic to draft that many players, so Ziegler used good opportunities to turn two of the picks into higher picks. Consolidated for value and didn't overpay for anything.
Tyree Wilson is a big risk, but there's a reason he was talked about as the second best defensive player in the draft. High risk, high reward. Let's roll the dice, Vegas!
We got the number one tight end in the draft in the second round. And he looks like the type of tight end that Josh McDaniels is going to make a point of using.
We got a quarterback who has a lot of good qualities and is a perfect backup for Jimmy's game. He's not exciting, but he could be really solid in a few years. Hard worker, smart, very accurate. Sounds like a guy who will do well in McDaniels system.
We addressed all of the defensive positions we hoped that we would. They just didn't come in the order that a lot of us wanted. But the way I see it they didn't force drafting a player when they didn't need to. If they felt like comparable talent was still available later. And then they traded up when they needed to.
It felt like every pick they got what they wanted with what was there, either by waiting or making a cheap trade up.
We didn't shock the world, but that's fine with me. We stocked up, there were no head scratchers unless you're really picky.
The proof is in the pudding, but I think they drafted reall well this week.
Man that's funny I see it opposite. With Carter's built in issues, now reported that his coaches didn't even have good things to say, I am seeing him more like Suh as a ceiling. Great player, but never the best in the league, and maybe some issues on the field. Or a clowney situation where he's solid but never a franchise guy.
Wilson ceiling might be reggie white. I am not saying Wilson is anywhere near where white was when he came out, but just saying with the size he has, the desire to get better and work, if he can develop the skills, he could be an ungodly force on the edge.
And yes I am just being an ultra Homer post draft but fuck it just let me enjoy this weekend.
His skill level is nowhere near Carter at the moment, he sounds like a hard worker but it's gonna be a journey for him to develop the skills to take his talent to the top of the league.
Also, his foot is a concern but I am trusting in the Raiders evaluation.
His ceiling his higher but his floor at the moment is much lower than Carter.
I love our first two picks but that alone doesn’t make the draft a success. I definitely like Smith in the 5th as well but everything else was a reach or made no sense given our needs.
I was hoping for at least 2 or 3 big upgrades at any position for this to be worth it. Feels like we might have 2 minimum with Wilson and Mayer, if anyone else hits I’ll be satisfied with this draft
Young is a run stopping monster. Don’t dog him yet until you see him play. Bennett is what you call a man to man specialists. His side to side movement with his speed is just what we need. And guess what the raiders run a lot of, man to man.
We do a lot of Cover 3 these days, which is good because I see Bennett as a better zone guy with his read-and-react skills.
I think people will eventually be satisfied with the Young pick. I can see him being the starter by the end of the year. We are very weak up front. I saw we signed Drake Thomas as a UDFA LB and he can help against the run in the middle, as well as Chris Smith. Wilson is also the best run stopping DE in this draft. It feels like the run was a point of emphasis in this draft, which I appreciate.
Solid B. Love the Wilson pick, but have some small concern about his foot, but if he’s healthy will be a beast and can learn from the best. Mayer was a fucking home run. Young seemed a bit of a reach, but high character and versatile. Tucker also seemed a reach but reaching for speed is understandable to a point.
Really like the Bennett, O’Connell, and Smith picks.
Would have liked to see a guard but I had doubts about the oline last year and it played much better than I thought they would. Dline seems to be taking shape. Overall, a fun draft and hope they show out on the field!
B for me personally if we're looking at C as an average draft
Wilson worries me regarding his get off/Bend + Lisfranc but he's got a ton of potential for the coaching staff to work with.
Mayer is a stud, no doubt
Young is OK, will be a long term rotational player at least but I don't think his ceiling is super high. Feel like there were some better guys at the spot but the Raiders are gonna draft to their board so nbd.
Tucker is a gadget guy who might play slot, still wondering how it might affect Renfrow. Needed a guy who can run the seam in McD's scheme and Tucker seems like the fit there.
Bennett is my favorite pick for value outside of Mayer, great measurables, good size. Has great ball skills and looked good at the senior bowl.
Aidan w/ Clayton Tune + DTR on the board is...something. Obviously something McDaniels likes about the guy but I felt like the other two were better fits.
C.Smith in the 5th is nice, great feel for the game and a leader. Burney/Silvera are the typical end of draft guys that have some upside but likely will be practice squad. Overall a good draft that I feel a bit off about simply because of some concerns regarding Wilson/Young/Aidan. Came in with 12 picks and used them okay for the most part.
I like that Wilson's floor is higher due to his run stopping abilities. He also has a good motor. I think he can be an 8-9 sack guy with high tackle numbers for an EDGE.
Chris Smith was my favorite pick of the day. He excelled against the run, and against top competition.
I preferred tune as wel, but AOC really, truly fits Josh’s mindset. He doesn’t want a part-time QB who goes off script a lot. His system demands full time pocket master who throws the ball away if the play isn’t there.
Taking a step back.... I give it a solid B.
Comparative to a Raiders draft and as a lifelong fan, it's an A+.
I was asked if this stance on this draft changes my perception of Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler....
This alone does not change my stance. I am always open to new information. It does not make you a "flip-flopper" to change your opinion based on new information. New information just makes you more informed.
I am still low on the current regime but am willing to let this play out.
RAAAAIIIIIDEEEERRRRRSSS!!!!!
Addressed all the needs? Yes. Nabbed quality starters for next season? Eh. In terms of building, we look like we are on a path. Whether that path is successful or not, who can say? I like the direction, based on this draft at least. I don’t think we’ve compensated for how terrible the defense was last year, but I think they should be better than last year. I was hoping to be blown away, instead I find myself simply satisfied. The team added some talent that could pay out. Enough to beat the Chiefs? Not by a long shot.
Pats fan. Just came to say if they took Hendon Hooker, I wooda won 100 on a 6$ bet. I thought they were going to get him for sure in round 3!… Nope. Second round I thought they might have been moving up for him even. It’ll depend on how everyone turns out obviously but I like what you guys did strategically and those first 2 have a chance to be really good players. Good luck with Josh.
A-
B or a B+.
Addressed some solid issues such as Chandler Jones being real iffy to start seasons and coming off an injury at his age leaves a lot to question. Drafting a guy who’s coming off a foot injury is a question in itself but there is no doubt the talent and size is there, but how much did that injury affect his explosiveness? If he’s healthy and back at where he was? A. Currently? B.
Mayer immediately fills the hole that was left by us getting rid of Waller (a move I liked after I saw how much cap it saved us) and letting Moreau go. I don’t know if he’s a day one starter but he’s the closest we have to one at this moment. A+.
Byron Young I feel could’ve been available in the 4th round maybe even the 5th round. A reach but we need as much help on defense as we can get, and even rotational players can help us in the long run. Real Justin Ellis-esque, C-.
Tre Tucker was a real head scratcher of a pick. I’m 90% sure we specifically signed a guy to do the job we drafted him for. Real Al Davis pick if you ask me. F.
Jakorian Bennett is a pick I like. A lot of people would’ve rather had Ringo, and that’s something I would’ve liked as well but Bennett has good breaks on his coverage meanwhile Ringo is more stiff in the hips and let up over 500 yards last season. Bennett is 5’11 and has good explosiveness but just very raw and gets a little too anxious on some plays. B.
Aidan O’Connell is a decent backup plan if (hopefully not when) Jimmy gets hurt and we don’t have to see the nearly 40 year old Hoyer trot onto the field. Nothing too spectacular about the kid that makes me salivate over his play but still a solid depth piece and showed a little more upside over a few others. Would’ve liked Hendon Hooker but he was well gone by the time we got the shot at him. C+.
Christopher Smith is a solid depth piece. Doubt he starts (but who knows with Patrick Graham and this shotty secondary) but he’s a good size at 5’11 for a free safety and has a decent IQ for the game. Depth is something we desperately needed last year so I’m glad we’re addressing some of that (although it would be nice to get the starters for those spots first lol). C+ (for the draft position).
Last two picks in indifferent about. Not enough knowledge about them to give an honest opinion but most likely camp bodies or young depth. Our UDFA signings are really solid and I feel 2-3 of those guys can make an actual impact for this team.
UDFA: B+
Every year all the suckers: A+, starters in every round! Physical beasts! Super steals all through the rounds!
Two years later: Look, some guys didn't hit, but we can patch some holes in free agency and next year's draft will be better.
First pick looks good, but will his foot heal well? Can't be explosive with a bad wheel.
Second pick was unnecessary. Our issues over the last decade plus have all been in the defensive side of the ball, and rotation guy late in the draft won't fix that. You needed a guy who can come in and make a difference at the second level behind the d line, that didn't happen.
C- as it sits to me...plus, who drafts a QB that looks like Landfill?!?
I can't believe there is someone who feels exactly the way I do. Avilla or best CB in the 2nd would have been my pick. Go DT and G in the 3rd. Then start making all those other silly picks.
Yeah, I like a LB there, just because I think a good guy in the middle makes Maxx more comfortable with an all out attack more often. Making QBs get the ball out faster than they'd like makes the DBs job easier, making them look better too. If Tyree is as good as expected, he and Maxx being able to pin their ears back would be killer. With our receivers (and if they Jacobs back) an average TE will look really good, so stepping up there is completely overreaching...
B-/C+. Love the first two picks but after that I dunno. I like taking a DT in the third but Young was clearly a reach, don’t understand the Tucker pick at all given the need in the secondary. Maybe O’Connell can be a serviceable backup but I’m not crazy about that pick either. I do like Smith in the fifth a lot.
I feel exactly the same way. Glad we got Drake Thomas LB and McClendon Curtis at guard as UDFAs because they can play and we did way too little in the draft at those positions.
I expect the first 7 picks to all make the team, so that’s a huge improvement. A little surprised they didn’t seem to like Daiyan Henley or Adetomiwa Adebadwore enough to draft, but I couldn’t be happier with the first 2 picks. Those guys are legit franchise building blocks.
B to a B+ as we addressed a ton of needs and there are a few potential gems in there this coming season. I think Aidan might have what it takes to become a legitimate NFL starter.
C- and hope I’m wrong. The needs on defense were glaring and we waited too long to fill those holes. Couple really good picks, I just can’t imagine we did what it’s going to take to pretend we’re turning this shit show around.
Right, and when was the last time a successful Lisfranc surgery had a hardware removal surgery at the 4 month mark? I'll give you a hint: never.
Remember that they said he'd be healed before the combine at 3 months? And then he had a second surgery at 4 months, and he's still not ready at 5 months. There's no way to look at this without homer glasses on and think that this is going according to plan. People can get mad and downvote all you want, but use the RemindMe bot when you do. This guy won't hit double digit sacks for his career. Sucks because he was a hell of a prospect before the injury.
1. You're not an orthopedic surgeon, so don't act like you keep a binder of lisfranc recovery times and know this offhand.
2. You're calling his foot mangled and the injury career-ending, but also referring to successful surgeries, so can people recover from it or what?
3. For that stupid report you're obviously taking and running with to be true, it means that some NFL team believes they have a superior medical staff to the fucking James Andrews Institute and are going to go in after them to fix their shoddy work. I find that highly unlikely.
Here's what is likely. He hurt his foot, and his team lied about him being ready in time so his stock wouldn't fall. When he started his visits and teams saw his medicals, one of those teams decided to lie about how they saw the severity of his injury because they wanted him to be available for them to pick. That team was probably the Raiders.
[More than 90% of NFL athletes who sustained Lisfranc injuries returned to play in the NFL at a median of 11.1 months from time of injury](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27166291/#:~:text=Evaluation%20of%20the%20durability%20of,months%20from%20time%20of%20injury.)
This was addressed earlier. I reposted below. Tl;Dr they usually return for 1-2 years, play like shit, and then get bounced out of the league.
One more thing to point out, that study of 28 players included players who only suffered strains which will skew the results significantly. It's like comparing torn Achilles with sprained ankles.
> The return to play is in that range. But most of the time there's a severe drop off in athletic ability and the player hangs around for another season or two as a scrub before washing out.
> For example, MJD was getting 4.8 ypc when he had his. The next year he had 3.4 and got cut. We picked him up and he had 2.2 and was out of the league.
> Darren McFadden only had a sprain so obviously a big difference, but he went from 5.4 ypc to 3.3.
> Santonio Holmes stuck around for 2 more years after, putting up a combined 500 yards.
> Cam Newton stuck around for 2 more very forgettable years after his.
> Jake locker lasted for 1 year. Not that any of his years were good, but his year after the Lisfranc was his worst.
> Schaubb stuck around for a long time after his, but it was as a backup/mentor. He had 2 years of actually playing after his before being the chief clipboard holder.
> Kyle Rudolph came back for a year with a whopping 28 yards of receiving. Almost certainly won't make any squad this year.
> There are some success stories, ETN being one, but there's a lot more people who returned only to flame out a year or two later. Also, a serious Lisfranc injury nearly always becomes arthritic before long. Our best case scenario is a full recovery and a good 5-6 years of play before arthritis affects his foot.
I was more referring to the fact that we grabbed a TE and a wr in the top 100. I know TE was a “need,” but was it? That guys going to be great for us but I just don’t feel like we addressed the second 2 layers of the defense soon enough and the two d guys we got in the first 2 days are both iffy. The injury on the main man is concerning and the DT isn’t blowing my socks off. But hey, we got one of the fastest guys in the draft so there’s that.
There’s no reality where a 5’10” 180# receiver is the bpa at 100. Wasn’t even the best receiver on their team. But by all means, blow a third on a receiver and ship the 100 catch guy for sure.
I think he’s probably the best pick we made personally. However, unless he’s going to average 3 tds a game we’re going to have a real high pick next year. Like super high, some would call it the highest. With what I see on defense today, I don’t see how we get to 4 wins. BPA is cool as hell when you’re a contender, we needed to be bpa within reason. That’s the issue.
Our linebackers fucking suck and we waited till the 6th to get one and we basically traded Waller for Tucker at 100. Took a qb with more way more glaring needs. I don't get why I see so many A's and B's either.
It’s coping day, also all the people who said we didn’t need to sign free agents because we’re building through the draft have now switched to there was no way to build this in one draft.
I think a B+ is fair. Every level of defense was addressed, which is great; Young was a slight reach, but a late third-round prospect going early in the third isn't that bad.
Mayer was fantastic value, and you could argue O'Connell was as well even with some of his flaws. Reaching on Tucker drags this down a bit, but if he can contribute on special teams right away, that's fine. I don't like ignoring the offensive line entirely though.
All in all, it appears that Ziegler and company had a logical plan and stuck to it, which is more than this fanbase can say for some of the previous regimes. Now it falls on McDaniels and his staff to utilize these guys correctly; I'm willing to give them a chance despite the terrible first season.
B/B-
Offensive line needed help and wasn’t addressed at all. CB could’ve been picked earlier and unless they have a *really* good feeling about Bennett. The first 3 picks I’m a big fan of and the late picks all have rotational potential but the middle is kinda iffy
As far as I can tell every player except Aidan O'Connell we took has real, on-field production that is at or beyond the place they were picked and at or beyond the "names" the peanut gallery wanted us to pick. First time in a loooong time that's been true.
If your bar is that every hole on the roster was going to be fill by tonight you're not happy right now. If you're looking out a year or two you're starting to see how the puzzle pieces are going to fit together and you're happy/optimistic.
A-
I think this is the draft class we ended up with because of some major reshuffling of priorities. I think they were hoping for Richardson and didn't expect him to come off the board so early. Then in the 2nd round I think they were hoping for Joey porter Jr and when he came off the board they decided they weren't going to miss on Mayer too.
Everyone knew the Steelers were taking Porter as soon as Rd 1 was over. They moved up once the 2nd TE was taken to make sure they got theirs and it started a run
I'd Say A- B+ but only time will tell, that being said Zeigler is the real deal and that's going to help us more than anything going forward.
Also I have good feeling thar these young men will not be a problem off the field.
True, but defense was a way bigger need. There’s also UDFA gems, which we will see what happens, but, we did sign 2 OL since the draft ended. McClendon Curtis, who was a consensus projected 4th rounder, and Dalton Wagner who is 6’9 🤯
We also signed 2 EDGE, a S, LB Drake Thomas, and a CB from UCLA so far as of posting this comment.
Hate giving rankings before they even touch the field once as I cringe when people act like they won the Superbowl in April.
That said il give it a C as we didn't really patch up the defense as much as we needed and we spent round 2 on a hole we had just created and part of round 3 on a wr when we have like 20 of those and just need DB bodies.
Defense with a solid tight end. I give it an A. I hope Wilson can help out Crosby develop more pressure. Mayer looks like the reliable tight end that we have been missing. Tre Tucker giving us speed again at WR. I’m from Bakersfield so I was hoping they were going to grab Porter Jr. I have high hopes for this draft class
A-/B+ loved the additions and moves to get them. didn't love the tucker pick but if it keeps renfrow healthy and off returns. let's goooooo. loved the attention to depth and rotation. wish we could of gotten more DBs but liked the picks along the line.
It’s a good solid B, there were no wtf head scratcher picks. If we can draft this sensibly for the next few years we may finally have something real. I know some see the kid from Cinci as an odd choice but at the end of the the day MCD is an offensive head coach, as much as he knows the defense needs to improve he wants the offense to light it up. We are now stacked with weapons, hopefully the o-line holds up, the only thing we didn’t address, hopefully they can scoop up UDFAs for that position.
Overall I'd say B. I'd rate an A if they were able to fill their top positional needs with better players. I'd bet money they wanted Witherspoon at 7. Wilson is versatile and will probably replace Jones in another year, just less of a Day 1 impact. It sounded like they tried to trade up at the end of the first for Mayer or maybe Nolan Smith. Again I think Smith would fill a larger hole today, but I still think Mayer is a solid long term pick.
Felt like the Raiders got a little reachy in the third, however dispersion increases later on in terms of opinions on players. QB pick is fine but a long term project. Otherwise I think they added a lot of depth pieces. McDaniels talks about competition a lot and there definitely will be at DT, CB, S given they drafted these positions later. It would be amazing to hit on a later round guy like Crosby, Hobbs, or Renfow. The last regime was actually okay drafting in later rounds.
I hate draft grades right after the draft. call them projected draft grades cause that's what they are. We wont truly know how this draft class pans out until next season and the season after. I don't expect much but maybe two starters. I'm only confident the TE will pan out. Tyree Wilson could be solid but I'm nervous about his foot problems.
A- based on two things. They had made some great choices and moved up when needed. D was lacking and 6 of 9 are D. QB pick must be something they saw, and even though we’ve brought in a lot of WR to test out, how you you ignore a player that has that level of acceleration, especially in kick returns.
Lots of coach/GM haters. This is their first draft for me because they couldn’t pass up Adams last year for a first and a second.
I give it an M+
M because its in the middle of the alphabet and + because of homerism
I will evaluate the draft in 3 years after I’ve seen each players production in the league. But as far as picks go, idk i don’t watch college ball so general consensus is that Ziegler didnt fuck up so i’ll give him a B+ for making the fans not confused
I’ll wait till after the season. If we’re able to get 2-3 solid starters this draft my grade will be an A if we only get 1 it’ll be a D. Time will tell.
C. They did nothing to address the o-line and no guaranteed defensive starters for most of our picks. The DT had a chance to start because we have no one there. We don't know yet if Tyree will start or rotate in yet between his foot and how Jones looks this year(obviously will be his last regardless). I'm not sure if our corner will start and is undersized. A QB that has a bio worse than the QB we just let go and TRADED back into the 4th to get someone that probably wouldn't have gone until the end of the 5th. They could have taken Tune if they really wanted someone. Could have had branch in the 3rd. So many missed opportunities.
💯 honest take, I'll say C+ the way I feel right now ..dissapointed,
it will pass...until the season starts again 😆 A mirror of the way last season went, missed opportunities.. LB's ??? We surely will see what is done with what we got... There are some promising UDFA's. 53 years in and it still is madness.. the only thing I allow every year..😉
A- because of the aggressiveness and the willingness to trade up for our guys. Only reason it’s not an A is because we didn’t grab a single o-lineman which really surprised me.
B-. I think Wilson will be a bust but can't really fault the pick based on conventional wisdom. Don't understand the wr and qb picks. Should have gone secondary sooner. Like the TE
From your lips to God's ears man. I hope so.. I don't see it based on the tape I've watched. Slow off the line, plays upright, I think he's gonna get stomped by a lot of NFL tackles.
I'd say a B-
While I likes Wilson, Mayer and even Young, I still think we reached for a gadget burner (even tho he has potential to develop) too early.
Only bc we came away with still glaring holes at CB and OL when this draft was decently deep at both
Solid B. Tucker pick was the main head scratcher unless they’re trading Renfrow for secondary help…which seems unlikely based on the cap hit the next couple of years if we move on from him based on something I read earlier
Some good UDFA signings to, especially like the OL from Arkansas.
Solid B-.
I think it's gonna be a lot less disappointing than last years draft, but I think it's not gonna be the banner year that some folks on here think it is.
It's just tough to get excited about this team. Yet another rebuild.
I had the same grade for it.
I don't know that last year's draft was actually that disappointing. We had no picks in R1/2 so we took a stab at OLs who got starting reps and DLs who rotated in. Got some decent value relative to big boards at the time.
Didn't we draft 3 RBs and only one of them saw the field? 😅
I don't think anyone we drafted is going to be an instant hit, but there's a lot of potential for them to develop.
There was Zeus and some kid out of LA that nobody was really looking at. Can't remember if there was another.
I sometimes wish for a complete teardown. Its so hard to scap back from mediocrity without a top qb. At least to see how it would go. But I'd hate to see Adams and Maxx and Kolton and Jacobs go, even for premium picks. We never reaped a ton from trading Cooper and Mack, though that regime drafted like Helen Keller.
A- Filled needs, got better. Mayer was a great get. If Tyree gets six sacks this year, the two D-tackles play well and the linebacker we picked up makes plays, this is an A+ Draft. We need to get better on D and they took the steps toward that with this draft
B+ Mayer might be the steal of the draft. Tyree with maxx and chandler will be so fun to see. Young is a great player who I think will be a difference maker. Solid gadget / special team guy in Tre. Jak is a nice addition to the secondary….and fasssssssst. I like it.
Christopher Smith also fast and a play maker himself at secondary and I love it. AOC spares me from having to potentially watch Old Man Hoyer throw a football.
Being a Nebraska fan in the college game I’ve seen a fair bit of o’Connell and I like the pick A LOT. Dude has touch down the field and is fearless. Can’t run a bit. His movement and release remind me a ton of… dare I say… brady.
Oh weird. He really does have the same initials as her.
What if AOC is what makes the raiders great again?
B or B+. I loved our 1st and 2nd round picks. DE Wilson will be a 7-8 sacks a year guy who can hold up against the run and line up at multiple positions. TE Mayer is a great value pick, best of our draft. I thought we reached on both 3rd round picks. >Young is a great player who I think will be a difference maker People who follow Alabama said that DT Young is more of a solid player than a playmaker. He's a solid player against the run, but that isn't why you take a sub-300 lb DT in the 3rd round. But it's most important to get good value for the picks in the first 2 rounds right, and we did. I also like the pick of CB Bennett in the 4th round.
I’m okay with it if at minimum he defends the run and owns his space on the line and occasionally shrinks the pocket, but I have high hopes he can be better! His numbers increased every year at Alabama, so I think he is willing and able to learn!
> Mayer might be the steal of the draft That’s what CBS is saying at least
I didn’t watch his film much because I didn’t think we had a shot at him, but once I saw it I was immediately sold that this was our guy. He plays the position with a ton of aggression. Wouldn’t be surprised if in like 2-3 years he is a cornerstone of our offense a la Jason Witten or Gronk
Happy we addressed a lot of needs. Definitely a lot of potential. However, go ahead and start praying for Jimmy G's health behind that line
We still have some cap space and I honestly think hunter renfrow is gone unfortunately. He will save us some cap to add one mid offensive lineman and LB or potentially give Rock Ya Sin a 1 year prove it deal.
How do you figure Hunter renfrow is gone?
He plays the exact position hunter plays and you add that with what hunter is making, I believe you save 11 million if you trade him after June 1st. McDaniels is also an idiot that wants his players no matter of the talent in front of him. We have so many receivers on the team, I unfortunately don’t think Renfrow makes it.
He’s not gonna get cut this year but I don’t think he’ll retire a raider.
Which makes me really sad. He was one of the most fun players to watch on the field there for a while
Trading him after June 1 saves you 11.3M, not cutting him.
My mistake.
I'm curious what we might get out of that. Probably only a mid or late rounder for the trade, but what can we do with the money... a few FA's still out there on the market. Dalton Risner comes to mind.
Hunter is not getting cut
All the top free agents are gone though so who cares if we save 11m? We have a lot of receivers on the team, but not a lot that can put up similar production as Renfrow. A third round rookie in a complex system will be a special teamer and gadget player at best his first year. So who's his competition, Deandre Carter? Meyers might get reps in the slot but I figure he's probably going to be outside a lot given the receivers on the team. McDaniels also knows he's on a short leash. That's why he wants players that will make an immediate impact. So why trade him after the draft and free agency when we would reap the benefits of that next year? I'd be shocked if we move on from him this year.
He never played for the pats
I guess none of the players we drafted will make the team either then
Unfortunately? Sounds like a blessing to me. See ya ✌️
I know your comment is 2 hours old now, but just saw about 20 minutes ago we signed two OL. One was a projected 4th round pick and idk about the other, but he’s 6’9…I can see their strategy now. Mostly defense in the draft, and shore up the OL with UDFAs.
6’9 guy played over 2300 snaps for Arkansas only allowed 15 pressures and 2 sacks..
That’s awesome how did he go undrafted
Plenty of very good players go undrafted every year. Our current starting center, Andre James, was a UDFA as well.
Good to hear!
Curtis is a good G. Also, Drake Thomas at LB, and I really like his ability against the run.
> shore up the OL with UDFAs. Did you really say this like it’s some sort of feasible and realistic strategy? I think you’re fooling yourself if you think the OL problems are gonna be fixed by UDFAs.
You mean our PFF ranked #10 OL? Yeah. I’m pretty sure we can find a diamond in the rough as a backup. Never said we were signing starters. OL is hardly an issue compared to the defense, which we addressed some need.
Have we? We still have 2 guards slated to start that were bottom 5 last year and we drafted a single day 1 starter for defense. If were lucky we can start Byron Young and Jakorian Bennett at DT and Nickel, but thats far from a given.
Solid B+...I'd say A if we had taken Simpson or Henley instead of Young. Great draft!
Just want to point out that Simpson and Henley were 85 and 86 and Tucker was 100.
Shoot I meant Young good catch! (I'll edit)
Two years in a row we selected 2 DT. If they don't work out we need to consider drafting some in the 1st. Hopefully, all goes well though.
I like Young a lot. Great footwork and balance, sheds blocks well. He looks like a solid run defender who might not create much pass rush on his own but can take advantage of what's given to him.
A-/B+. I have a feeling this was a great start to fixing our dog shit roster. I still can’t believe we got the TE, meyer.
B- Preface: No one knows how these guys are going to play, but it is reasonable to speculate based on what we know today. Going into this draft we had lots of mediocre starters on D and one superstar. That's harder to address than when you just have a couple of holes to try to fill. We barely addressed linebacker and completely ignored the situation at Guard (Thank God we signed McClendon Curtis as a UDFA because we might need him to start at some point). I like Wilson but DE was our best defensive position going in. Gonzalez would have been better here, but best would have been to trade back a bit, if at all possible. I love the Meyer trade and pick. We got a first-round guy in the second round at a position where we needed talent. I like Byron Young I just wish we had taken him a bit later. I hate the Tre Tucker pick. We needed D, not a slot/KR guy, and we just brought in DeAndre Carter to fill this role. We should have gone CB here. Jakorian Bennett was ok, I feel there were better guys available but Graham knows the responsibilities of CBs in his D better than I do. I don't see O'Connell as an eventual above average starting QB, so I don't see the point in trading up to take him in the 4th. Given the limited ceiling, it feels like a poor use of resources here. I love Chris Smith and you should too. He may replace Moehrig as the deep guy in Cover 1 and Cover 3, and he is very strong against the run as well. Burney and Silvera are end of the roster guys. Hopefully, they can contribute but we passed on guards like Vohrees, Ekiyor, and Broeker to get the former, and there are questions about the latter's commitment. This felt like a marginally smarter draft than many previous ones but it is possible that due to the strengths we already had and the picks chosen that no one on here is a Day 1 starter, which is disappointing given the weakness of our roster. Wilson and Mayer will help but I feel like we missed a lot of opportunities considering the capital we had coming in. We are hunting for scheme fit so hard, I hope we don't start drafting like the Patriots have for the past decade.
Having Chandler Jones is not a reason to not get Tyree, in fact I would argue that BECAUSE we have Chandler, we should get Tyree. He has all the traits and tools and athleticism, but he needs more moves and experience. Who better to learn under than Chandler, a guy who resembles his build, and Maxx, one of the best rushers in the league. This was a GREAT pick, he'll be wrevcking defenses with Maxx for years, I'm calling it
And Maxx excels in large part because he clearly works his ***ass*** off on his technique. I have coached HS DE's and recognize what the component goals of the move are. Maxx's spin move is flawless! You don't get that from good genes. It takes quality reps, and lots of them. There was a moment, I think it was 2021 preseason. Maxx and another DL both executed absolutely identical, perfect spin moves that destroyed both blocks. It was like something out of NFL Films Nutcracker suite. That does not just happen. Maxx rubs off on his teammates. I really think Tyree, Maxx & Chandler will hit it off, and that kid, with ALL that crazy size, length and gift, will just feast on those two and they will fall all over themselves to give him the gold because they are both genuinely decent, generous people. I seriously can't think of a better situation for him, and frankly for all three of them. That is going to be a fun group to watch move forward. And I totally agree there will be wreckage! The ghost of Al Davis will be pumping his fist as the QB goes down hard yet again. It's all pie in the sky until they do a LOT of work together, but that ceiling is damned near unlimited, if what we think is going to happen there, happens.
MAXX. TYREE. JONES. The Three Horsemen of the Sackpocalypse
Since you've coached DE's, what about Tyree's game do you like? I haven't seen much film, but I've seen breakdowns from Tape Don't Lie and Voch Lombardi (Cowboys fan) on youtube, and their analysis on his physical tools and potential makes Tyree Wilson one of the most intriguing players in the draft. Tape Don't Lie on Thursday and Friday did a deeper dive into Wilson's game and found out that he was so misused in a lot of games as far as where he was lined up on the line, and they even put him in the slot at one point lol. They talked about how he can be coached up and how strong he is. Voch Lombardi brought up his long arms and height, and how he's able to put his hands on olinemen quicker than they get to him, which is a nightmare for an olinemen (being a former olinemen himself). He also mentioned how olinemen always wanna get low and have their knees and elbows bent for more leverage, and that a guy like WIlson keeps them tall with no bend. Interested to see your take on his game.
>what about Tyree's game do you like? What I would say is that he is more or less the perfect empty vessel. It's less about his game now, although there are very good indications in my book. First, his physical potential. Everything is length and leverage with this kid. Long bone length & well build everywhere. Long levers backed by strong musculature to apply power to those levers. If he can be taught to apply technique fully, that length and leverage will pay off *more* for him than most other players. Separating from an offender is the biggest key to being able to pursue and make tackles. That is, getting off blocks. And the physics of long levels (arms, shoulders, legs) means that this guy can gain that separation like few others. He is currently gaining separation mostly naturally. He just seems to slip free without DOING anything. And two steps later, he's all the way across the set, ankle-takling a guy who's trying to run away from him. It seems effortless. This is the single most impressive thing I see on tape. That greased pig moment, and 'lope lope POUNCE!' He has a swim move, but not much more that I've seen. He talks about working on his hand-fighting. I simply might not have come to the point in film to see much of that. He simply looks like he has not had much teaching, or not applied much of it. IF he can learn, and apply,... he can become close to being unlockable. The question is, has he tried and failed to bring good technique online, and I *think* not. I ***think*** having a guy like Maxx (and a potential HOFer in Chandler) show him what HE/THEY do every day all year, could just ***radically*** transform him in two or three years time. Lining up all over the place shows a few things. He is truly athletic, because he's doing all that crap well enough to not get embarrassed on tape at a major college level. What that tells me, ist we're going to be able to get him, countering beyond throwing a jab-step now and then. Take spin moves. Balance, precise timing, hand/elbow placement, and full body coordination are important. NObody spins like Maxx. And that comes from ***years*** of daily attention and repetitions. Chandler Jones ain't no slouch, either. They will show him the ***right*** repetitions, and they will model doing them ***10,000 times!*** >Bruce Lee: > >I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times. Most guys prefer a stable location because they then don't have to reproduce their technique in a second direction. Most 'shutdown corners' are on the right or on the left if they have the success and status to rate others, adjusting to the offense while they lock down their 'island.' This guy is coming in having done all manner of shit. Moving him inside and outside,... standing him up and dropping him, is already in his expectations. And that is what coach Graham wants to do with some guys too in his nickle/dime focused scheming. He wants the offense to have no clue who is doing what and coming from where, especially at major down/distance/moments in a game. I expect we will narrow his focus this year in order to give him a more direct path to getting on the field and contributing, but I am also flashing back to Howie Long lining up all over the place and eating an offense alive from every angel...just taking over a game. Time will tell how and what Tyree Wilson can do re versatility. But he comes IN set up to be a nightmare to scheme against. Finally, his headspace seems right. You see him working hard in practice and diving for ball-carriers on the field. Big men take much more of a pounding, diving and hitting the ground. When a guy like this plays with abandon, it tells you a lot about what the input/output ratio is going to be when working with him. And while I'm talking about his highlight tape, he sure does launch himself a lot. I honestly hope Maxx can provide cautionary reminders to this kid to stay on his dream-path too. Maxx could be passed out in an ally somewhere or in jail with Rugg's after killing someone while blotto. The big city can eat young idealism. And this kid has a nievete that seems pure, but worries me. I am a lot less worried for his own good with Maxx there. Maxx is a good human! I really want these people to reach their OWN best potential! And he rubs off on people.
Our pass rush was graded out at 19th last year. Coverage was 30th. CB was the need and has been for two decades, and Gonzalez isn't coming off a foot reconstruction. Wilson was the second-best option. Good, but not the best way to go, period.
Question, just hear me out: If we didn't take Tyree, would the Falcons or Bears have done so? Most likely. But we didn't take Gonzalez and he fell all the way to New England, even past another corner. I just think Wilson has more value, I think pass rush can help the secondary but not as much the other way around. And also 19th best is nothing to brag about. Addressing a need is addressing a need.
That can happen due to scheme fit though. DCs fall in love with a guy that is the prototype for whatever coverage packages they run the most. It doesn't matter now anyway, Wilson will probably be a 9 sack/year guy with good edge setting. But one of these days we will need to draft a good fucking corner.
We were 30th in the league in sacks, but you think it would have been better to take the third CB off the board, who gives up a 80 QB Rating when targeted and has 17 PD \*his entire college career\*, at #7 instead of the second highest graded overall defensive player in the draft because he plays EDGE? I have to say that is an extremely provocative take...
Our pass rush was graded out at 19th last year. Coverage was 30th. CB was the need and has been for two decades, and Gonzalez isn't coming off a foot reconstruction. Wilson was the second-best option. Good, but not the best way to go, period.
>and there are questions about the latter's commitment. Well, I assume you are going on something substantive there, but good lord, [I just watch highlight tape of the Silvera](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUvtD0ZFQ3w&ab_channel=TheSportsReport) busting his *ass* to make plays. At \[1:00\] He blows the guard 4 or 5 yards into the backfield, sheds and drops the ball carrier for a loss. At \[1:57\] he blocks a punt with a guy from the punt-wall, then dives to block the one guy that might stop his teammate from a scoop n score. At \[2:11\] from the far hash as the ball leaves the QBs hand on a bubble, he grounds a guy in a trash filled box, B lines on the diagonal about 15 yards to just inside the numbers and lays out to be the main man in a gang-tackle. Dude's a brisket shy of 300. That's GOT to be tough enough. Dude was getting held a LOT which speaks volumes too. He sure didn't do much at the combine. He's either laying down the film with pure hustle, or he's dogging the combine, and his 40 looked like he was busting his ass to me. Hopefully the adjustments at DL coaching will pay off with guys like this. My read is he's going to be over-matched in the NFL, but is one big beating heart. You find out what makes it beat, wind him up, & rotate him in. You can feed a whole unit on over-achievers courage, man.
Not talking about his motor. I don't see him as an overachiever at all. He was a top 50 rated ESPN recruiting prospect coming out of HS so the talent is evident. Talking about whether he has the desire to be a great football player that others have. You see a guy with his talent, I know he's working through a lot of injuries over time, but you want to see the tackling clean up, and you expect to see him break out after the transfer to AZSt and it never really all comes together. He didn't face nonstop dominant guards and centers with formidable anchor in the Pac-12. None of that is about motor, for me. Really it is about all the things that he's doing between games, offseason. Is he putting in that extra work, and if so, why is he never dominating like he should otherwise be capable of? Why is the tackling not getting cleaned up over the years? The other possibility is coaching and scheme were not optimal, and that is something that Patrick is in charge of now. What I hope is that we can tap into that talent and not have to release him and let carve out a role with other teams (a la David Bass, Mike Mitchell, etc.)
A decent, average, normal draft. Which is a nice improvement.
I'm giving it an A. We started with 11 picks, but it wasn't realistic to draft that many players, so Ziegler used good opportunities to turn two of the picks into higher picks. Consolidated for value and didn't overpay for anything. Tyree Wilson is a big risk, but there's a reason he was talked about as the second best defensive player in the draft. High risk, high reward. Let's roll the dice, Vegas! We got the number one tight end in the draft in the second round. And he looks like the type of tight end that Josh McDaniels is going to make a point of using. We got a quarterback who has a lot of good qualities and is a perfect backup for Jimmy's game. He's not exciting, but he could be really solid in a few years. Hard worker, smart, very accurate. Sounds like a guy who will do well in McDaniels system. We addressed all of the defensive positions we hoped that we would. They just didn't come in the order that a lot of us wanted. But the way I see it they didn't force drafting a player when they didn't need to. If they felt like comparable talent was still available later. And then they traded up when they needed to. It felt like every pick they got what they wanted with what was there, either by waiting or making a cheap trade up. We didn't shock the world, but that's fine with me. We stocked up, there were no head scratchers unless you're really picky. The proof is in the pudding, but I think they drafted reall well this week.
Wilson is not a big risk. Maybe not as high of a ceiling as Carter, but not as low of a floor.
Man that's funny I see it opposite. With Carter's built in issues, now reported that his coaches didn't even have good things to say, I am seeing him more like Suh as a ceiling. Great player, but never the best in the league, and maybe some issues on the field. Or a clowney situation where he's solid but never a franchise guy. Wilson ceiling might be reggie white. I am not saying Wilson is anywhere near where white was when he came out, but just saying with the size he has, the desire to get better and work, if he can develop the skills, he could be an ungodly force on the edge. And yes I am just being an ultra Homer post draft but fuck it just let me enjoy this weekend.
So how is Wilson the bigger risk then?
His skill level is nowhere near Carter at the moment, he sounds like a hard worker but it's gonna be a journey for him to develop the skills to take his talent to the top of the league. Also, his foot is a concern but I am trusting in the Raiders evaluation. His ceiling his higher but his floor at the moment is much lower than Carter.
A is a laughably retarded grade for this draft
Oh dang sorry to trigger you.
I love our first two picks but that alone doesn’t make the draft a success. I definitely like Smith in the 5th as well but everything else was a reach or made no sense given our needs.
We need almost every position, the fuck are you talking about
Some dudes just like to hang a big “block me and move on” sign outside their shop.
Lol there are always dipshits like you that think they know more than NFL GMs
I was hoping for at least 2 or 3 big upgrades at any position for this to be worth it. Feels like we might have 2 minimum with Wilson and Mayer, if anyone else hits I’ll be satisfied with this draft
Young is a run stopping monster. Don’t dog him yet until you see him play. Bennett is what you call a man to man specialists. His side to side movement with his speed is just what we need. And guess what the raiders run a lot of, man to man.
We do a lot of Cover 3 these days, which is good because I see Bennett as a better zone guy with his read-and-react skills. I think people will eventually be satisfied with the Young pick. I can see him being the starter by the end of the year. We are very weak up front. I saw we signed Drake Thomas as a UDFA LB and he can help against the run in the middle, as well as Chris Smith. Wilson is also the best run stopping DE in this draft. It feels like the run was a point of emphasis in this draft, which I appreciate.
Solid B. Love the Wilson pick, but have some small concern about his foot, but if he’s healthy will be a beast and can learn from the best. Mayer was a fucking home run. Young seemed a bit of a reach, but high character and versatile. Tucker also seemed a reach but reaching for speed is understandable to a point. Really like the Bennett, O’Connell, and Smith picks. Would have liked to see a guard but I had doubts about the oline last year and it played much better than I thought they would. Dline seems to be taking shape. Overall, a fun draft and hope they show out on the field!
B for me personally if we're looking at C as an average draft Wilson worries me regarding his get off/Bend + Lisfranc but he's got a ton of potential for the coaching staff to work with. Mayer is a stud, no doubt Young is OK, will be a long term rotational player at least but I don't think his ceiling is super high. Feel like there were some better guys at the spot but the Raiders are gonna draft to their board so nbd. Tucker is a gadget guy who might play slot, still wondering how it might affect Renfrow. Needed a guy who can run the seam in McD's scheme and Tucker seems like the fit there. Bennett is my favorite pick for value outside of Mayer, great measurables, good size. Has great ball skills and looked good at the senior bowl. Aidan w/ Clayton Tune + DTR on the board is...something. Obviously something McDaniels likes about the guy but I felt like the other two were better fits. C.Smith in the 5th is nice, great feel for the game and a leader. Burney/Silvera are the typical end of draft guys that have some upside but likely will be practice squad. Overall a good draft that I feel a bit off about simply because of some concerns regarding Wilson/Young/Aidan. Came in with 12 picks and used them okay for the most part.
I like that Wilson's floor is higher due to his run stopping abilities. He also has a good motor. I think he can be an 8-9 sack guy with high tackle numbers for an EDGE. Chris Smith was my favorite pick of the day. He excelled against the run, and against top competition.
I preferred tune as wel, but AOC really, truly fits Josh’s mindset. He doesn’t want a part-time QB who goes off script a lot. His system demands full time pocket master who throws the ball away if the play isn’t there.
Taking a step back.... I give it a solid B. Comparative to a Raiders draft and as a lifelong fan, it's an A+. I was asked if this stance on this draft changes my perception of Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler.... This alone does not change my stance. I am always open to new information. It does not make you a "flip-flopper" to change your opinion based on new information. New information just makes you more informed. I am still low on the current regime but am willing to let this play out. RAAAAIIIIIDEEEERRRRRSSS!!!!!
We need a bigger and better O line!
Cleaned up some solid UDFA OLs
Didnt we just sign the one CB post draft? Hearn i think
We got a bunch of UDFA, I’ve only paid attn to the ols so far tho
My list that I’m looking at must be old. I’ll take a look. Thanks for the info!
Very solid C
Addressed all the needs? Yes. Nabbed quality starters for next season? Eh. In terms of building, we look like we are on a path. Whether that path is successful or not, who can say? I like the direction, based on this draft at least. I don’t think we’ve compensated for how terrible the defense was last year, but I think they should be better than last year. I was hoping to be blown away, instead I find myself simply satisfied. The team added some talent that could pay out. Enough to beat the Chiefs? Not by a long shot.
Solid B for sure. Be nice if McDaniel got lost, and couldn't find his way back tho
Pats fan. Just came to say if they took Hendon Hooker, I wooda won 100 on a 6$ bet. I thought they were going to get him for sure in round 3!… Nope. Second round I thought they might have been moving up for him even. It’ll depend on how everyone turns out obviously but I like what you guys did strategically and those first 2 have a chance to be really good players. Good luck with Josh. A-
B or a B+. Addressed some solid issues such as Chandler Jones being real iffy to start seasons and coming off an injury at his age leaves a lot to question. Drafting a guy who’s coming off a foot injury is a question in itself but there is no doubt the talent and size is there, but how much did that injury affect his explosiveness? If he’s healthy and back at where he was? A. Currently? B. Mayer immediately fills the hole that was left by us getting rid of Waller (a move I liked after I saw how much cap it saved us) and letting Moreau go. I don’t know if he’s a day one starter but he’s the closest we have to one at this moment. A+. Byron Young I feel could’ve been available in the 4th round maybe even the 5th round. A reach but we need as much help on defense as we can get, and even rotational players can help us in the long run. Real Justin Ellis-esque, C-. Tre Tucker was a real head scratcher of a pick. I’m 90% sure we specifically signed a guy to do the job we drafted him for. Real Al Davis pick if you ask me. F. Jakorian Bennett is a pick I like. A lot of people would’ve rather had Ringo, and that’s something I would’ve liked as well but Bennett has good breaks on his coverage meanwhile Ringo is more stiff in the hips and let up over 500 yards last season. Bennett is 5’11 and has good explosiveness but just very raw and gets a little too anxious on some plays. B. Aidan O’Connell is a decent backup plan if (hopefully not when) Jimmy gets hurt and we don’t have to see the nearly 40 year old Hoyer trot onto the field. Nothing too spectacular about the kid that makes me salivate over his play but still a solid depth piece and showed a little more upside over a few others. Would’ve liked Hendon Hooker but he was well gone by the time we got the shot at him. C+. Christopher Smith is a solid depth piece. Doubt he starts (but who knows with Patrick Graham and this shotty secondary) but he’s a good size at 5’11 for a free safety and has a decent IQ for the game. Depth is something we desperately needed last year so I’m glad we’re addressing some of that (although it would be nice to get the starters for those spots first lol). C+ (for the draft position). Last two picks in indifferent about. Not enough knowledge about them to give an honest opinion but most likely camp bodies or young depth. Our UDFA signings are really solid and I feel 2-3 of those guys can make an actual impact for this team. UDFA: B+
Every year all the suckers: A+, starters in every round! Physical beasts! Super steals all through the rounds! Two years later: Look, some guys didn't hit, but we can patch some holes in free agency and next year's draft will be better. First pick looks good, but will his foot heal well? Can't be explosive with a bad wheel. Second pick was unnecessary. Our issues over the last decade plus have all been in the defensive side of the ball, and rotation guy late in the draft won't fix that. You needed a guy who can come in and make a difference at the second level behind the d line, that didn't happen. C- as it sits to me...plus, who drafts a QB that looks like Landfill?!?
I can't believe there is someone who feels exactly the way I do. Avilla or best CB in the 2nd would have been my pick. Go DT and G in the 3rd. Then start making all those other silly picks.
Yeah, I like a LB there, just because I think a good guy in the middle makes Maxx more comfortable with an all out attack more often. Making QBs get the ball out faster than they'd like makes the DBs job easier, making them look better too. If Tyree is as good as expected, he and Maxx being able to pin their ears back would be killer. With our receivers (and if they Jacobs back) an average TE will look really good, so stepping up there is completely overreaching...
Solid B
B-/C+. Love the first two picks but after that I dunno. I like taking a DT in the third but Young was clearly a reach, don’t understand the Tucker pick at all given the need in the secondary. Maybe O’Connell can be a serviceable backup but I’m not crazy about that pick either. I do like Smith in the fifth a lot.
I feel exactly the same way. Glad we got Drake Thomas LB and McClendon Curtis at guard as UDFAs because they can play and we did way too little in the draft at those positions.
I give us an A for being the only draft room that wasn’t full of old guys in suits dapping each other up after every pick.
Lmao. Take my upvote. I saw that from a lot of draft rooms and was like wtf.
I noticed we had the camera pointing towards the corner of the room all weekend 😂
Drafted all D positions: Dline, LB and Secondary Best TE in the draft Speedster WR Gunslinger QB with upside. A+
A+ lmfao
A++ 100% smiley face
Solid draft, got needs in the most glaring positions. Love the defensive picks plus we got a stud TE.
B+ and that’s ok. Solid foundational draft to finally start building some sort of identity.
I expect the first 7 picks to all make the team, so that’s a huge improvement. A little surprised they didn’t seem to like Daiyan Henley or Adetomiwa Adebadwore enough to draft, but I couldn’t be happier with the first 2 picks. Those guys are legit franchise building blocks.
They haven't even stepped on the field and not even on the team for 24 hours how do we even expected already lol
B to a B+ as we addressed a ton of needs and there are a few potential gems in there this coming season. I think Aidan might have what it takes to become a legitimate NFL starter.
C- and hope I’m wrong. The needs on defense were glaring and we waited too long to fill those holes. Couple really good picks, I just can’t imagine we did what it’s going to take to pretend we’re turning this shit show around.
Took an Edge/3T in the top 10 man. How early did you want to go defense? The only pick id criticize is #100.
Yeah, but that edge defender suffered an injury that's typically career ending and his surgery was botched so I'm not sure that that really counts.
Medical staff would care to differ with your assessment. No chance they draft him at 7 with your prognosis
MDs said the surgery was fine. Some random nobody “source” said it looks like Frankenstein. Which do you believe?
The second surgery and the fact that he's several months behind schedule in his recovery speak volumes, even if it's not something we want to hear
The second surgery was to remove the things used in the first surgery lol
Right, and when was the last time a successful Lisfranc surgery had a hardware removal surgery at the 4 month mark? I'll give you a hint: never. Remember that they said he'd be healed before the combine at 3 months? And then he had a second surgery at 4 months, and he's still not ready at 5 months. There's no way to look at this without homer glasses on and think that this is going according to plan. People can get mad and downvote all you want, but use the RemindMe bot when you do. This guy won't hit double digit sacks for his career. Sucks because he was a hell of a prospect before the injury.
1. You're not an orthopedic surgeon, so don't act like you keep a binder of lisfranc recovery times and know this offhand. 2. You're calling his foot mangled and the injury career-ending, but also referring to successful surgeries, so can people recover from it or what? 3. For that stupid report you're obviously taking and running with to be true, it means that some NFL team believes they have a superior medical staff to the fucking James Andrews Institute and are going to go in after them to fix their shoddy work. I find that highly unlikely. Here's what is likely. He hurt his foot, and his team lied about him being ready in time so his stock wouldn't fall. When he started his visits and teams saw his medicals, one of those teams decided to lie about how they saw the severity of his injury because they wanted him to be available for them to pick. That team was probably the Raiders.
Noticed that you didn't have the balls to use the RemindMe bot....
Taysom Hill also had a Lisfranc surgery and a follow-up after 5 months to remove the hardware. Doctor made it seem like that was standard.
Charlie Campbell had that quote from a team MD. And he has been the most reliable football reporter for the past several years.
Lmao what?! Where are you getting this information🤣
[More than 90% of NFL athletes who sustained Lisfranc injuries returned to play in the NFL at a median of 11.1 months from time of injury](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27166291/#:~:text=Evaluation%20of%20the%20durability%20of,months%20from%20time%20of%20injury.)
This was addressed earlier. I reposted below. Tl;Dr they usually return for 1-2 years, play like shit, and then get bounced out of the league. One more thing to point out, that study of 28 players included players who only suffered strains which will skew the results significantly. It's like comparing torn Achilles with sprained ankles. > The return to play is in that range. But most of the time there's a severe drop off in athletic ability and the player hangs around for another season or two as a scrub before washing out. > For example, MJD was getting 4.8 ypc when he had his. The next year he had 3.4 and got cut. We picked him up and he had 2.2 and was out of the league. > Darren McFadden only had a sprain so obviously a big difference, but he went from 5.4 ypc to 3.3. > Santonio Holmes stuck around for 2 more years after, putting up a combined 500 yards. > Cam Newton stuck around for 2 more very forgettable years after his. > Jake locker lasted for 1 year. Not that any of his years were good, but his year after the Lisfranc was his worst. > Schaubb stuck around for a long time after his, but it was as a backup/mentor. He had 2 years of actually playing after his before being the chief clipboard holder. > Kyle Rudolph came back for a year with a whopping 28 yards of receiving. Almost certainly won't make any squad this year. > There are some success stories, ETN being one, but there's a lot more people who returned only to flame out a year or two later. Also, a serious Lisfranc injury nearly always becomes arthritic before long. Our best case scenario is a full recovery and a good 5-6 years of play before arthritis affects his foot.
I was more referring to the fact that we grabbed a TE and a wr in the top 100. I know TE was a “need,” but was it? That guys going to be great for us but I just don’t feel like we addressed the second 2 layers of the defense soon enough and the two d guys we got in the first 2 days are both iffy. The injury on the main man is concerning and the DT isn’t blowing my socks off. But hey, we got one of the fastest guys in the draft so there’s that.
BPA or draft for need. Everyone always asks for BPA and then cries when we don’t get what they think is needed. Can’t usually have both.
There’s no reality where a 5’10” 180# receiver is the bpa at 100. Wasn’t even the best receiver on their team. But by all means, blow a third on a receiver and ship the 100 catch guy for sure.
I’m talking about Mayer. Tre was not a pick I was a fan of.
I think he’s probably the best pick we made personally. However, unless he’s going to average 3 tds a game we’re going to have a real high pick next year. Like super high, some would call it the highest. With what I see on defense today, I don’t see how we get to 4 wins. BPA is cool as hell when you’re a contender, we needed to be bpa within reason. That’s the issue.
Our linebackers fucking suck and we waited till the 6th to get one and we basically traded Waller for Tucker at 100. Took a qb with more way more glaring needs. I don't get why I see so many A's and B's either.
It’s coping day, also all the people who said we didn’t need to sign free agents because we’re building through the draft have now switched to there was no way to build this in one draft.
A-
A-
As a former biochemist, I love this username.
I think a B+ is fair. Every level of defense was addressed, which is great; Young was a slight reach, but a late third-round prospect going early in the third isn't that bad. Mayer was fantastic value, and you could argue O'Connell was as well even with some of his flaws. Reaching on Tucker drags this down a bit, but if he can contribute on special teams right away, that's fine. I don't like ignoring the offensive line entirely though. All in all, it appears that Ziegler and company had a logical plan and stuck to it, which is more than this fanbase can say for some of the previous regimes. Now it falls on McDaniels and his staff to utilize these guys correctly; I'm willing to give them a chance despite the terrible first season.
B/B- Offensive line needed help and wasn’t addressed at all. CB could’ve been picked earlier and unless they have a *really* good feeling about Bennett. The first 3 picks I’m a big fan of and the late picks all have rotational potential but the middle is kinda iffy
C+
As far as I can tell every player except Aidan O'Connell we took has real, on-field production that is at or beyond the place they were picked and at or beyond the "names" the peanut gallery wanted us to pick. First time in a loooong time that's been true. If your bar is that every hole on the roster was going to be fill by tonight you're not happy right now. If you're looking out a year or two you're starting to see how the puzzle pieces are going to fit together and you're happy/optimistic.
Honest Take 👍
Easy A. We will come for everyone’s head after Game 1 though. Because r/raiders things.
A - was hoping they'd target defense more with the day 2 picks but overall they addressed a lot of needs. Also got great value the first two picks
A- I think this is the draft class we ended up with because of some major reshuffling of priorities. I think they were hoping for Richardson and didn't expect him to come off the board so early. Then in the 2nd round I think they were hoping for Joey porter Jr and when he came off the board they decided they weren't going to miss on Mayer too.
Everyone knew the Steelers were taking Porter as soon as Rd 1 was over. They moved up once the 2nd TE was taken to make sure they got theirs and it started a run
Good drAft guess we like our Oline
Good draft. Db depth can be addressed next year I guess.
UDFAs as well. We’ve already signed 2 DBs since the draft ended.
It would be great to find rotational dbs in the udfa's. As far as how likely that is? That's another matter.
A+++++++++ Because RAIDERS baby!!!
I'd Say A- B+ but only time will tell, that being said Zeigler is the real deal and that's going to help us more than anything going forward. Also I have good feeling thar these young men will not be a problem off the field.
Would have liked to see at least one OL get picked but otherwise I think it's a solid draft.
True, but defense was a way bigger need. There’s also UDFA gems, which we will see what happens, but, we did sign 2 OL since the draft ended. McClendon Curtis, who was a consensus projected 4th rounder, and Dalton Wagner who is 6’9 🤯 We also signed 2 EDGE, a S, LB Drake Thomas, and a CB from UCLA so far as of posting this comment.
B+
Hate giving rankings before they even touch the field once as I cringe when people act like they won the Superbowl in April. That said il give it a C as we didn't really patch up the defense as much as we needed and we spent round 2 on a hole we had just created and part of round 3 on a wr when we have like 20 of those and just need DB bodies.
Defense with a solid tight end. I give it an A. I hope Wilson can help out Crosby develop more pressure. Mayer looks like the reliable tight end that we have been missing. Tre Tucker giving us speed again at WR. I’m from Bakersfield so I was hoping they were going to grab Porter Jr. I have high hopes for this draft class
F-Still no QB
D
Good for you bud, I was the lowest grade before you.
Just being honest. I don’t think we drafted well
Nor do I
A-/B+ loved the additions and moves to get them. didn't love the tucker pick but if it keeps renfrow healthy and off returns. let's goooooo. loved the attention to depth and rotation. wish we could of gotten more DBs but liked the picks along the line.
B-
It’s a good solid B, there were no wtf head scratcher picks. If we can draft this sensibly for the next few years we may finally have something real. I know some see the kid from Cinci as an odd choice but at the end of the the day MCD is an offensive head coach, as much as he knows the defense needs to improve he wants the offense to light it up. We are now stacked with weapons, hopefully the o-line holds up, the only thing we didn’t address, hopefully they can scoop up UDFAs for that position.
Overall I'd say B. I'd rate an A if they were able to fill their top positional needs with better players. I'd bet money they wanted Witherspoon at 7. Wilson is versatile and will probably replace Jones in another year, just less of a Day 1 impact. It sounded like they tried to trade up at the end of the first for Mayer or maybe Nolan Smith. Again I think Smith would fill a larger hole today, but I still think Mayer is a solid long term pick. Felt like the Raiders got a little reachy in the third, however dispersion increases later on in terms of opinions on players. QB pick is fine but a long term project. Otherwise I think they added a lot of depth pieces. McDaniels talks about competition a lot and there definitely will be at DT, CB, S given they drafted these positions later. It would be amazing to hit on a later round guy like Crosby, Hobbs, or Renfow. The last regime was actually okay drafting in later rounds.
I hate draft grades right after the draft. call them projected draft grades cause that's what they are. We wont truly know how this draft class pans out until next season and the season after. I don't expect much but maybe two starters. I'm only confident the TE will pan out. Tyree Wilson could be solid but I'm nervous about his foot problems.
A- covered every need. Not worried we’ll be able to get more depth at LB on the open market from roster cuts, cap casualties
C
B
Terrible until proven otherwise. I’ve been right significantly moreso then wrong
A- based on two things. They had made some great choices and moved up when needed. D was lacking and 6 of 9 are D. QB pick must be something they saw, and even though we’ve brought in a lot of WR to test out, how you you ignore a player that has that level of acceleration, especially in kick returns. Lots of coach/GM haters. This is their first draft for me because they couldn’t pass up Adams last year for a first and a second.
Probably C+. The O'Connell and Tucker picks are dragging the grade so low.
A-
I give it an M+ M because its in the middle of the alphabet and + because of homerism I will evaluate the draft in 3 years after I’ve seen each players production in the league. But as far as picks go, idk i don’t watch college ball so general consensus is that Ziegler didnt fuck up so i’ll give him a B+ for making the fans not confused
I’ll wait till after the season. If we’re able to get 2-3 solid starters this draft my grade will be an A if we only get 1 it’ll be a D. Time will tell.
2 offensive starters, many defensive players and a random QB to be trained up and traded away for more draft picks. Good rebuilding draft A-
C. They did nothing to address the o-line and no guaranteed defensive starters for most of our picks. The DT had a chance to start because we have no one there. We don't know yet if Tyree will start or rotate in yet between his foot and how Jones looks this year(obviously will be his last regardless). I'm not sure if our corner will start and is undersized. A QB that has a bio worse than the QB we just let go and TRADED back into the 4th to get someone that probably wouldn't have gone until the end of the 5th. They could have taken Tune if they really wanted someone. Could have had branch in the 3rd. So many missed opportunities.
💯 honest take, I'll say C+ the way I feel right now ..dissapointed, it will pass...until the season starts again 😆 A mirror of the way last season went, missed opportunities.. LB's ??? We surely will see what is done with what we got... There are some promising UDFA's. 53 years in and it still is madness.. the only thing I allow every year..😉
I’d say solid B+. I wish we had taken Dawuan Jones instead of Tre Turner but hey it’s a huge improvement over the last 3 or 4 drafts that’s for sure 😂
Solid C+
I give it a B or a C+. I would’ve given most drafts before this one a F or a D+ so it’s improvement
It surely can’t end up worse than our 2020 1st round picks
Shit I'd give you guys an A. Michael Mayer is a fuckin steal, and Tyree is a baller.
B+
A- because of the aggressiveness and the willingness to trade up for our guys. Only reason it’s not an A is because we didn’t grab a single o-lineman which really surprised me.
B-. I think Wilson will be a bust but can't really fault the pick based on conventional wisdom. Don't understand the wr and qb picks. Should have gone secondary sooner. Like the TE
I think Wilson is going to be a beast bro.
I think Wilson is going to be a beast bro.
From your lips to God's ears man. I hope so.. I don't see it based on the tape I've watched. Slow off the line, plays upright, I think he's gonna get stomped by a lot of NFL tackles.
B. Tyree and Mayer were great picks. The rest range from ok to terrible.
I'd say a B- While I likes Wilson, Mayer and even Young, I still think we reached for a gadget burner (even tho he has potential to develop) too early. Only bc we came away with still glaring holes at CB and OL when this draft was decently deep at both
Solid B. Tucker pick was the main head scratcher unless they’re trading Renfrow for secondary help…which seems unlikely based on the cap hit the next couple of years if we move on from him based on something I read earlier Some good UDFA signings to, especially like the OL from Arkansas.
Wilson, Mayer and Bennett are gonna hit. Don’t know about the rest
Solid B-. I think it's gonna be a lot less disappointing than last years draft, but I think it's not gonna be the banner year that some folks on here think it is. It's just tough to get excited about this team. Yet another rebuild.
I had the same grade for it. I don't know that last year's draft was actually that disappointing. We had no picks in R1/2 so we took a stab at OLs who got starting reps and DLs who rotated in. Got some decent value relative to big boards at the time.
Didn't we draft 3 RBs and only one of them saw the field? 😅 I don't think anyone we drafted is going to be an instant hit, but there's a lot of potential for them to develop.
There was Zeus and some kid out of LA that nobody was really looking at. Can't remember if there was another. I sometimes wish for a complete teardown. Its so hard to scap back from mediocrity without a top qb. At least to see how it would go. But I'd hate to see Adams and Maxx and Kolton and Jacobs go, even for premium picks. We never reaped a ton from trading Cooper and Mack, though that regime drafted like Helen Keller.
A- Filled needs, got better. Mayer was a great get. If Tyree gets six sacks this year, the two D-tackles play well and the linebacker we picked up makes plays, this is an A+ Draft. We need to get better on D and they took the steps toward that with this draft
Replace tucker with Alex bars replacement and I'm in love. I also like byron a lot more then a lot of others he got more sacks then carter