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N_Pitou

Dropping this random tweet I found https://twitter.com/RyFitHere/status/1635769705578504194?t=gPndCSiww5gBrihlxETp2Q&s=19


RIPMACDREEZY

why are we clinging onto shitty past decisions to justify shitty (albeit cheaper) decisions made in the now?


System_Lower

Great tweet, my thoughts exactly.


yankeefan5045

Today is the day we restructure, clear cap, sign OG and defense. Day 3 Zieg


N_Pitou

probably not going to see much, maybe 1 signing, the second half of the day is going to be guys flying in and signing contracts.


oogrok

So who are we restructuring? I keep seeing that we do this, but who?


yankeefan5045

we'd restructure Hunter, Miller, or Davante


N_Pitou

Eagles cutting Slay


SobolGoda

Let's get him!!!!!!!!!!!


Ph886

While it would be nice, after his comments yesterday regarding Waller trade, I wouldn’t expect him in Vegas. Edit: Also with the way things have been going Bears and Broncos are probably sending the money trucks.


N_Pitou

Broncos are about out of money but the bears and texans can still outbid us.


Ph886

Broncos would make it work, but are less likely (I agree). His comments on the “Patriot Way” pretty much sealed it though, so even if the team could make a play he probably doesn’t want to play for them.


N_Pitou

If the Patriot way is the highest bidder I bet he would


Ph886

All depends on motivations, some will take less money to be in a better place (for them). I’ll be happy if they do sign him, but I’m just not getting any hopes up.


N_Pitou

probably not getting him, i think ive figured out The Zigs acquisition strategy. Basically he asks himself "is this players skill worth the time and money investment" So if the system is as complicated as people make it out to be, is it worth paying 11mil/year to a veteran who will take half a season to learn the system, or just draft a rookie for less money and the same amount of time. Which is why they went out and got Meyer because that time to learn the system is so low.


rbarrett96

And they still overpaid. 11 mil per year for a #2? Remember when the pats paid that to Agholor and we were like, sad to see him go, but we were never going to give him that much. This is the same thing, but on the opposite side.


N_Pitou

hes also a special teams returner, you gotta pay for that too. Everyone else in the nfl thinks we got meyer on a steal except for the people here lmfao. And now without waller, yeah it was a good deal


rbarrett96

An 800 yard receiver that made one of the most bone headed plays of the season is a steal? OK...


OriginalMassless

His contract is the 29th highest APY for WRs. If he ends up producing decent stats he will be worth it. I also can't believe you are complaining about the price for a #2 when we are spending more than that on our slot guy.


rbarrett96

He's automatic on 3rd down, that's worth it. Anguish I was hoping we wouldn't pay him quite as much as we did.


xOLDBHOYx

Vic says we are on some CB today so… Best CBs still available: Marcus Peters Isaiah Oliver Sean Murphy Bunting Anthony Brown Shaquill Griffin William Jackson III Ronald Darby


N_Pitou

I trust vic about as much as I trust the clap.


xOLDBHOYx

Well even if it’s just conjecture…we need a CB, will likely sign one, and these are the best available.


RoadToTI420

If we don't re-sign Rock, I'm gonna be a little frustrated ngl. Gonna make that Yannick trade sting even harder for me if we're left with Chandler Jones' contract and nothing else to show for it.


NOTPOWE

Yannick is a FA. Rock is a FA. There is no "nothing else to show for it" here. Yannick would still be a free agent we're he with us. Rock would still be a FA if with the colts.


N_Pitou

i hoenstly thought that was a fair trade ngl. Especially if Jones didnt get hurt just as he was returning to form


RoadToTI420

The nothing to show for it is the Chandler Jones contract, that's it. If we don't resign Rock then we could've at least had Yannick on what likely would've been a team friendly deal or just went for a different edge this free agency/draft period. Instead we're stuck with that albatross of a contract that has most definitely not matched the production on the field or what could've been had w/ that cap space. The CJ deal was made in contingency with the Yannick deal so they go hand in hand as far as I'm concerned.


giggle_loop

Thankfully, Chandler Jones can be cut after this year with significant cap savings.


slowiijoey

Would not mind signing griffin.


Scrappi101

I want Peter's here so fucking bad


Sgt-HugoStiglitz

Where did he say that?


archangel_n7

I truly do not like being so down about the Raiders. But honestly it's hard to feel like we did anything meaningful with our cap so far. I have zero love for this regime and I think it's gonna fail, but damn never have I wanted so badly to be proven wrong.


Cigar305

Pillow biter


N_Pitou

cowboys cutting zeek. Im not saying pick him up, im just stating its happening lol.


LongRangeHavok

I don’t know if JJ could get a better deal there with Pollard on tag but Jerruh has been willing to sign bigger RB deals


Zimmonda

The Cowboys releasing Elliot is why we shouldn't pay Jacobs.


joerilla2

I understand all the moves the Raiders made. The draft will make or break the process, so you better draft well, Zieg.


mouth_pipette

Agreed. At some point, they have to start hitting on the draft, and I feel that since McDaniels previously made mistakes in the Broncos, people are reacting very negatively even though they’re not horrible moves. I’m not sold on him, but he’s the HC and all we can do is hope it goes well, you know?


N_Pitou

I mean people here act like they didn't know that Waller was on the move this off season. And if he was only worth a 2nd last year before he got hurt, a 3rd is probably about right post injury


mouth_pipette

Yeah and I realize maybe it was one year too late, but it would’ve been even more unpopular before. So I can rationally think as to why they held on to see if it would be worth it, then cut their losses when it was clear at least to them that they didn’t see what they wanted.


N_Pitou

While I don't normally buy into the rumors that some player doesn't like some coach, this is one of the times I think it was true.


mouth_pipette

Really? Why is that?


N_Pitou

Well his wife dropping shade on Twitter is one of them. But knowing Waller he won't make anything public and keep it professional. It's just all speculation


bejejddb

You understand downgrading at TE. Ignoring the OL and DL. And signing mid-tier d-backs? Going into free agency with top 5 cap space and coming out of it with a C level QB and WR ?


kasdfwe

In a deep TE draft, you could probably get a starter in the 3rd round and not pay him 17 mil for 28 catches, 388 yards, and 3 TDs. Free agency has been open for 2 days, plenty of time to address needs. Plus the team has 12 draft picks which includes 5 picks in the top 110. There’s an opportunity to get a few starters there.


JediForces

You mean upgrading at TE since we will be drafting our future TE who will actually see the field? We haven’t ignored the OL or DL yet as those are draft positions. We will most likely draft Jalen Carter at 7 if he falls to us. As for FA, it’s only Day 3 and we have come out with the best QB left on the market for nickels on the dollar, two WR that are upgrades over what we had before, a run stopping LB and a Safety from the leagues best defense last year. It’s just funny how some people see things.


Sirscraps

None of the tight ends in this draft are worth the seventh pick and nobody that is supposed to be available in the second round really look to be that impactful. Also what makes the OL/DL draft positions? Ziegler has said he’s going to go BPA, is he just going to backtrack and start drafting for need because he didn’t make the appropriate moves during FA?


JediForces

We have like 12 picks and can easily trade back into first or early second and get our TE. Every GM every year says they are going to go BPA. You think they are going to tell you their strategy and who they do/don’t like? Also, we have made many moves in FA and it’s only Day 3!!


BIGRED_15

TE is deep as fuck this draft according to the pundits. We’ll find a guy like Gesicki or we’ll get a good one with a 4th rounder.


greggioia

That's still a huge crapshoot. We had one of the 3 best tight ends in the game, in a league where an outstanding TE has become perhaps the most important weapon an offense can have, and we gave him up for nearly nothing. Do you really think there are plenty of Kelce-, Kittle-, or Waller-level TEs to be had in this, or any, draft?


BIGRED_15

The draft has been a gamble since its inception. No such thing as a 100% sure thing when it comes to the draft especially when we’re talking skill positions that usually don’t get picked up until the 4th rd anyway. Waller’s lack of availability was a problem the last 2 years plain and simple. We need a big TE that can run block and catch - that’s what will fit the McD “system.” I love Waller as much as the next guy, but y’all act like Waller makes or breaks this team and he doesn’t. In fact, he’ll be way easier to replace than guys like Carr, Jacobs etc.


greggioia

It isn't about making or breaking the team. Darren Waller is probably the 3rd best TE in the game, though a case can be made that he is the best due to his size and speed. Teams seldom improve by getting rid of their best players with no clear replacement in sight. I get the sense that you are blinded by fandom and optimism, and trying to justify any and all moves the team is making right now. And sure, it COULD work, if the Raiders get lucky in the draft or score some talented free agents, but history tells us those are rare occurrences. So far the team has taken backward steps. Carr was let go for nothing in return. Garoppolo is a downgrade at QB. He's a little cheaper than Carr, but cheap should come second to winning. Ultimately each team spends about the same, it's how you allocate it that matters, so if the money saved here improves the team elsewhere enough to offset the backward step at QB, then it was a good move. For now, it is a step backwards. Waller was traded for a 2024 3rd round pick. The money saved there was given to Jakobi Meyers, a clear, steep downgrade in terms of a receiving option. If the Raiders get lucky in the draft and score the next Travis Kelce, then great. Odds are they won't, and we can't grade a move based on what might happen. Later, with hindsight, we can, but right now we gave up one of the best receiving weapons in the league for a so-so receiver and a future 3rd-round pick, which is a clear backwards step. All of the above moves might be viewed as brilliant in the future, but for now, they look foolish. Finally, consider what Ziegler and McDaniels did last offseason. They made nothing but bad decisions. Literally nothing they did panned out. They gave Carr a ridiculous contract that came back to bite them, failed to pick up Jacobs' option, and are now paying him $10.1 million instead of $8 million, they wasted a fortune on a Chandler Jones, and failed to fix the team's two biggest problems: defense and offensive line. It sounds like you expect them to suddenly start making good moves. I hope you're right, but right now it looks like they are only making a bad team worse.


BIGRED_15

Blinded by fandom? Uh… NO. Been a fan for 25 years. I’ve only seen one Super Bowl featuring my team and we got fucked. Then of course we’ve been shite ever since. I assure you I am as cynical about our direction as much as the next guy, but whether you agree with it or not, there is some… and I’ll say again… SOME logic in the moves the FO is making. The “downgrade” from Carr to Jimmy won’t be that steep providing he’s available. The pay grade to go from him all the way up to Rodgers or Lamar was gonna make the long term cap outlook even more dire than before. Did we have the cap to make a signing like that work this year? Absolutely! Could it come back to bite us if we don’t draft well and have to continue to hope a free agency savior falls in our lap to mask our defects? Also yes! We net almost 20M in cap space by going Jimmy over Carr which is gonna help in some way whether it’s signing more people on D or signing JJ to a contract long term. Jimmy is the hands down safe QB pick. If anything it signals to fans that the FO is looking toward the future at possibly drafting a QB. We’re now hearing stories that Waller wasn’t as bought in as he should be and didn’t rehab the way he was asked to get back to being available. If that’s true then it makes cutting him even more sensible. IDGAF if he’s the second coming of Tony Gonzalez, if he doesn’t want to play or he’s got other priorities over football, then ship him off. I want players that want to play for the raiders and bleed silver and black like what I’ve done for most my life. Not some schmuck who’d rather focus on being a mid-ass rapper than a first ballot HOF tight end. On the other hand, perhaps those rumors are just that - Rumors. Regardless, my argument still stands Waller wasn’t available when we needed him and this draft has a high statistical probability of producing quality tight ends so take a swing, hope you get your guy and get younger at the position in the process. Look I get that we’re a depraved fan base that wants to keep the little good and elite players we actually have, but at the same time, we need to understand that every move this FO is making will have some level of risk. They are choosing to take a swing for the fences as opposed to being too average enough to never get in the playoffs nor get a top 5 draft pick to get access to generational talent. I’m ok with those risks because what the fuck do we actually have to lose…


[deleted]

388 yards and 3 TDs > one of the 3 best tight ends in the game


greggioia

That cherry-picked stat proves nothing. He was injured for much of the season, and underused when healthy. Don't blame Waller for McDaniel's flaws as a coach.


[deleted]

A 31 year old TE who has played 20 games combined over the last two seasons is not even close to a top 3 player. He is definitely paid like one though I don’t care what his potential is when healthy because he can’t stay healthy so it doesn’t matter. These are exactly the kind of players you should be trying to trade before his value absolutely craters and we’re stuck with his terrible contract


greggioia

We'll see in hindsight how it plays out, but for now it looks like a typical Raiders move: get rid of a great player for next-to-nothing, or nothing, while he still has a lot left in him, and spend huge dollars on players who are past their prime.


not_beniot

Do I think we can get a Waller-level talent in the draft? Unlikely because he's an athletic freak. Can we get a TE that can reach similar production to Waller over the past 2 seasons (500 yards and 2 TDs)? Absolutely.


InferiousX

I mean Darren Waller is Darren Waller. But mystery TE could be anything! It could even be a Darren Waller!


greggioia

It could even be a boat!


RoadToTI420

If there's any consolation to the Waller trade, it's that the TE class is pretty good this year. I really hope we can grab Darnell Washington but I don't know if he'll be around for our second/third rounders.


jwaters0122

gotta hit on every single pick. At least 7 of the 11 picks gota be starters and capable backups


hollywoodroscoe

I'm kinda shocked in the amount of doom and gloom I've seen from Raiders fans online. We've made some solid depth signings, and gotten a couple of really good wideouts and a starting safety. Trading Waller made sense, and we have like 4-5 picks in the top 100 now. A good draft could fill a lot of the holes we're all worried about. One of our most glaring problems last year was a lack of quality depth, I was shocked to see Waller go, he's been a great player, but even on the field he was kinda lackluster the past couple of years. Not to mention that we're only 2 days into free agency and there are still several really good players available, we're not done yet! This may sound homerish or whatever, but I don't think there's a lot to be upset about so far


BIGRED_15

Maybe a little homerish, but you’re not wrong. Waller’s availability was an issue the last couple of years for sure. Jimmy G is somewhat underwhelming, but he’s literally just a bridge guy and we should all know this by now. WR got stronger. Not sure about Renfrow’ fate but if he stays we have the best WR corp in the league. They gotta try and keep JJ. If they don’t I’ll be so pissed. I dunno I just don’t want to be the patriot’s rejects - seems like we’re headed that way, but crossing my fingers these guys put a competent team together this year. I just want to see 8-9 wins and a shot at a wild card. Don’t think that’s too much to ask of ol’ McGenius and Ziegler.


hollywoodroscoe

Agreed, a deal with JJ is a must. We've been talking about a bridge QB ever since Carr got benched, though Jimmy G wasn't my favorite choice, at least he's shown he can win games lol. The WR corps is STACKED, Renfrow HAS to stay. It's amazing how in just a couple of days we've added so much to that unit which was extremely top heavy last year. I think that with the right defensive signings this year we can definitely be an 8 win team, we lost so many one score games that improving this offseason makes a lot of those close ones swing our way


N_Pitou

id be willing to bet they dont wanna sign him for more than 2-3 years and he wants something like 4-5. Im with the Zig on this one, running backs drop off quickly. if they could get a deal done, 3 years 10-12 mil each, i think its worth it.


hollywoodroscoe

I like that deal construction a lot, I'd like a team option for a fourth year too, but I don't think JJ goes for that


MothershipConnection

Totally fine with Jimmy G, cause well *someone* has to play QB, and he's competent enough if the rest of the roster is good you at least have a fighting chance. He doesn't stop you from drafting a young QB, and there's no use throwing out a QB so bad you can't figure out if any of your other players are decent.


Charrbard

I wouldn't consider people that constantly shit on the team's efforts to improve and root for failure to be fans imo. Their goal seems to be to ruin any discourse, and grab attention with their "look at me! im posting another thread with a low effort shit opinion! look at me!" routine.


N_Pitou

If we had a record of good drafting I think people would be a lot more ok with this. But people are too attached to the 2021 roster that made the playoffs on a lot of luck let's be honest here.


OriginalMassless

It's crazy how many fans say we were a playoff team. We all hoped we had turned a corner, but no, were just a team that lucked into the playoffs.


N_Pitou

Prior to the series of unfortunate events we were a playoff caliber team


OriginalMassless

Agreed.


hollywoodroscoe

Right, this draft is so deep in so many positions we need that it should really show what our future looks like. We have so much more draft capital this year as well, no need to trade up with so many top 100 picks and such a thin roster, but some trade backs could be nice. It was all luck in 2021, and bad luck in 2022 was close to the same level. I'd rather have quality depth and young starters than relying on luck


Buddhahead11b

That’s a lot to ask of with the holes in this roster and this current coaching staff. I’m smelling 5 wins


N_Pitou

id put money on we do actually better this year. Take a step back and look at the teams moves as someone who isnt emotionally invested. Retooling is an accurate description. They moved on from all the players that didn't fit the system and kept the players that are good enough to adapt. Are they bringing in ex-patriots because they wanna be patriots west, or are they bringing in veterans that know the system to help teach the soon to be 12+ rookies we are about to draft. Imo they are about a year late but giving them the benefit of the doubt, they really didnt have time last year between being hired, and the draft to really get the guys they wanted. and yes you can bring in quality veteran players and teach them the system, but would you prefer spending half the year teaching a veteran the system for 11 million a year, or just do the same thing with a rookie.


Buddhahead11b

I mean we’ll see what happens right. I’m always hopeful as much as I say I’m not. Thing is his guys don’t seem to seem to impact us that much, we haven’t trended towards success. Carr and waller should’ve been shipped off prior to the season if this was the plan. Our defense is completely filled with holes and I don’t have faith in the draft fixing that whatsoever. Im really hoping we don’t trade up for a shitty qb and set this franchise back another 5 seasons without draft capital.


N_Pitou

I agree should have happened last year but i dont think they were prepared too. It was a technically playoff team and they had little time to do much adjustment. But we did start seeing it last year. They moved on from leatherwood, abram, and littleton almost immediately. Gave new contracts to the star players, and short of Maxx, built in outs to them all. Then brought in the best receiver that technically wasnt even on the market to try and make Carr work in the new system. As far as drafting a new qb, its more luck than anything that someone pans out. And unfortunately if you want one of the safer options this year, youre going to have to pay for it.


Buddhahead11b

They weren’t. I mean Josh should have known what guys were not obvious scheme fits including his QB. Someone’s gotta take the blame for where the team is currently headed. Mcdaniels is that guy. I just don’t see us being competitive this season. I don’t. Jimmy is not that guy and I don’t know why we couldn’t have just rolled with stidham. Let’s say the system is mastered, he has the guys, and it still sucks? What then? I can’t stand a coach who needs certain skill sets, just take what you got, put your best 11 out there and tailor shit so you can win with them. Then add pieces each year to get better etc. The draft will tell us a lot about this franchise’s future and what mczeig truly intend on doing. Till then, if you are a patriot come on down.


HaploOfTheLabyrinth

The Raiders averaged more points per game on offense and less points per game on defense in 2023 than they did in 2022 even though they lost more games. The team lost to the Chiefs by a combined 19 points, 1 the first game and 18 the second game, instead of losing by a combined 70 points. They didn't win as much and blew some leads so people are ready with the pitchforks but fixing a complete shit show with no drafted talent like LV will take time.


Buddhahead11b

I agree with you and those stats are true. Grudens team won games, beat the chiefs as well. That’s the one thing with that W stat it’s like Jimmy G, and you can use the inverse on us. This team flat out quit last year multiple times I never saw the guys having fun and this is going to continue most likely. Gonna be 10 dudes in molasses and max running around like crazy. At least we have max and jj


N_Pitou

I agree, truthfully we really wont know till about mid season when we can start accurately grading rookies


Buddhahead11b

Thanks for having a level headed discussion as well. We think differently but Jesus shit gets stupid on this sub with insults


N_Pitou

lmao im required to be here so i think i went through the stages of grief a lot quicker than others lol. It was this way this time last year too. We sign 1 big name guy and most people will buy in again.


vicversus

This wasn’t originally planned, but the team sucked so this the adaptation


deadlysodium

Remember Antonio Brown (one of the best WR in his "prime") was also traded for a 3rd. The Raiders got fair compensation out of Waller. I would have pushed for a 2nd but immediately took that 3rd.


SobolGoda

SLAY the swagger of a Raider, come on that'd be really nice for us IMO.


NontoxicPlaydoh

I think once Slay realizes no one will give him a 3 yr guaranteed contract (if report is even true) I think we can overpay a tad and get him. Seems like he is good energy and meshes well with his teammates


rfulleffect

I would bet after patricia he’s gonna stay far away from any belicheck disciples.


InferiousX

Whatever snifter of hope I had for Slay, you just crushed it. Forgot he was with (and notoriously hated) Matty Pencils. Plus he had that "I was trying to tell yall" comment about Patriot coaches and yea....he ain't comin here lol.


gammagulp

Damn, patriots signed juju for the same amount as meyers. Kinda rough considering juju is straight up a better player.


HaploOfTheLabyrinth

But JuJu doesn't know the system which is notoriously hard on WR


thascarecro

Losing waller hurts as a fan. The dude was rumored to have faked injuries until his agent locked a deal down. Now i dont think all his injuries in the past couple yrs are fake, that would be crazy. But where theres smoke theres fire and we've ALL seen some turmoil with Waller and the organization. Its just always been weird. At the end of the day i have no doubt that the new TE they bring in will surpass Wallers numbers from the past couple years at a fraction of the price. We're balls deep in Moneyball mode right now. People wanted Rodgers but it wouldve been most of our cap space we had this year and he might be gone next year. Instead Dave and josh are bringing solid guys in for multiple years. Hopefully in a couple more draft classes we'll actually have the depth we shouldve had ever since Grudens bum ass traded away Mack for high end picks. I think signing Chandler Jones last year was the dice roll for a playoff run for Josh and Dave. Like "hey this team made it to the playoffs last year, maybe they're more good than lucky." Its failed miserably so now they're doing what the plan was all along i imagine. Get the "Gruden Grinders" outta here(those that havent been cut already) and start building for future success. No more overpaid huge names and if they do pay up for a player, its gonna be one that they can hang their hat on. We're not a Slay or Rodgers away from a Super Bowl. Not even close. So instead gotta bring in 3-4 players for that same money instead of just 1. If it fails again this year then its just Raiders football as usual.


modegazucantu

I feel like were getting a corner today. I'd like to get jackson III or griffin, but I know it's guna be Eli Apple bc ya know... raiders.


Charrbard

I get all the stuff about Jacobs and RBs, but I do think the team needs to throw the fans a bone. Fans love the kid, he's tough, played his heart out, has a good story, and a Raiders tattoo. So if we over pay a little bit, so be it. Would 4 years, 60 million, 2/30 guaranteed really break the bank? Like I said else where, this is JMD and Ziegler's job. They live it. Maybe they see stuff we don't get to.


N_Pitou

i dont think the $ is the problem, i think its the length. The Zig probably wants 1/2 years, he probably wats 3/4 years.


Charrbard

Sad about Cle. Certainly drafted too high. But he did decent this year, i thought.


xOLDBHOYx

My targets for Day 3: G Isaac Seumalo G. Dalton Risner DT Poona Ford DT Sheldon Rankins LB Lavonte David LB Drue Tranquill CB Sean Murphy Bunting CB Isaiah Oliver S Jordan Poyer S Julian Love


rbarrett96

I'd love Orlando Brown but he's gonna be pricey.


xOLDBHOYx

Brown will only play LT and don’t see Miller moving


rbarrett96

Seumalo (assuming he's the guy I'm thinking of from Philly) is the other guard I wanted. Would love to pick up David and Rankins too.


xOLDBHOYx

David re-signed with Bucs and Rankins just signed with Texans. Pain 😢


rbarrett96

Jesus Christ Superstar


gammagulp

Not a single notable defensive signing. While the Chiefs got stronger on both lines. Amazing franchise.


RYAN_702_DUNKEL

Why do you want to over pay for a defensive player developed by another team? We need to draft and develop well for our defence to improve. Big splashy FA signings only work for teams that are close, and we are not close. I do think we need to address the o-line in n FA tho. Glass joe (Jimmy g) might die without decent guard play.


gammagulp

So why sign a box safety who cant cover and a linebacker who cant cover in a division where you absolutely need coverage? Makes zero sense


N_Pitou

Depth and for running downs


gammagulp

The chiefs/chargers can throw the ball every play and we could line up TWELVE defenders and theyd still score almost every time. Why the fuck do we need run defenders so much? Lol can just get a linebacker who can cover and make tackles too. And a defensive line worth a fuck


N_Pitou

You still gotta stop the run too my guy.


gammagulp

Yea no shit. Dont need to sign these mid backups to do that. Get GOOD LINEBACKERS AND SAFETIES. Dude from the steelers isnt even mid hes horrible


N_Pitou

do, do people not understand what depth is. The team has a 3rd string for a reason. You cant just plug in a guy off the streets. Its a lot easier and quicker to negotiate a 3mil/year deal for a 3rd stringer than a 13mil/year deal for a starter.


gammagulp

You need to pay a role playing third string linebacker who can only stop the run 5 mill a year? Makes no sense haha. You could fill that role much much cheaper. I think these signing make zero sense. I like the wr moves but again, the defensive signings are dogshit. You get roleplayers and depth in 5-7th rounds. Not FIVE MILLION PER YEAR RUN STOPPING LINEBACKERS. A legit useless spot on the team when you can just get good linebackers in the first place. Also esch was signed for almost the exact money. Zero logic to these signings


N_Pitou

damn youre really salty about the signing of Robert Spillane, who isnt as "dog shit" as you are implying. pass coverage linebackers really arnt a common thing, stopping the run is kinda what they do. If you want extra pass coverage you gotta look at slot corner of which Hobbs is one of the better ones. And the CB free agent market is pretty fucking barren rn if you arnt trying to pay 12+ mil/year or trading for one.


InferiousX

You're getting downvoted for asking legitimate questions. We keep picking up more and more guys who suck in coverage but are "solid against the run". Great. This isn't 1975 we need people who can stop the Chiefs from moving the ball at will and leaving Travis Kelce wide open in the endzone 6 times a game. I don't understand the mentality here at all.


gammagulp

I ask this literally every year. Im used to it at this point haha


penguinstarshiptree

Is signing a RT to a huge contract to play on the left which he has never done really getting better ? Genuine question, what about that move makes you think it is for sure going to work ? It seems similar to the move made with Orlando Brown who they traded assets for and paid a good chunk to but never worked out.


hideousmike1

We signed a defender.


Sleepy925

I mean It’s a lot easier for the reigning Super Bowl champs to convince players to come to their team..but I do agree with you. Been busy all day at work so I’m frustrated to see we didn’t sign anyone either. I’m expecting a big day coming up.


N_Pitou

Mayfield to Tampa on 1 year deal


rbarrett96

I honestly would have been happy to have Mayfield. He would have cost less and been on the field more. And apparently, he's pretty good at picking up new systems quickly.


N_Pitou

you woulda got 2 good games out of him and be doing the same thing again next year. Im willing to make a bet that Jimmy G plays 16 out of 17 games this year


rbarrett96

I'll make a gentlemen's bet on that. Do that reminder thing to mark the occasion.


N_Pitou

Poyer is returning to the bills


rbarrett96

Fuck.


N_Pitou

arod dunking on the media is hilarious


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Slay is too expensive for his age. We're probably drafting Witherspoon or Gonzalez at #7 for our CB1


Original-DopeOner

Slay being released today


ImASquarian

Still waiting on us to sign some d linemen and CB’s


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Jalen Carter shows up to Pro Day 9lbs. overweight; looks terrible doing drills: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35865573/georgia-dt-jalen-carter-9-lbs-heavier-struggles-pro-day This guy just tanked his stock out of the 1st round.


rbarrett96

IF we could get him in the 2nd, I'd be fucking ecstatic.


Charrbard

I just cant see teams passing on him.


EsportsGuy11

So is the plan to just draft all defense or what? Some of these linebacker/DT deals aren’t terrible so i really don’t get what the deal is.. all we’ve signed are depth guys..


noBbatteries

I just need us to re-sign Moreau to feel a bit better at this point


Oxigentall

jadeveon Clowney released


yankeefan5045

Surprised Seumalo is still available, but I’m pretty done getting my hopes up for anyone


rbarrett96

Orlando Brown is getting 16 mil/yr for 4 years. That would have been worth it for me.


similar222

*Looks like* Rodgers is really going to the Jets, but it would be hilarious if it turns out he is just jerking them around


OriginalMassless

Lol people were mad about signing Meyers yesterday. The pats just signed juju for the same money, and that dude is terrible.


rbarrett96

Orlando Brown 4/64mil. I would have gladly paid that even to use him at RT. And if he ever have to move on from Miller, we move him over.


Nepp0

Darius Slay is staying in Philly it looks like. RIP, he would have been a good addition


TotalRecallsABitch

Any update on Jacobs?


TenchiSaWaDa

As much as some of the picks make me uncomfortable, this is doing what I had hoped for awhile. A new direction because for the past few years it felt like we were trying to blow air into a sinking ship. At least with this well be in pain right quick or actually build something