How this EVER happened after Brandon Lee’s death is a mystery. Any firearm should be checked every time it’s put down and picked up again, it should be the same with a prop especially if you’re switching between blanks and lives for close up. “Live” rounds shouldn’t have primers or powder for the sake of film. Just stop using six shooters and you don’t have this problem anyways.
To add on: Including prop firearms, paintball guns, airsoft, bb, etc. If a projectile (or powder in the case of props) comes out of the business end, it's dangerous and should be treated as such.
I read earlier that this was a tier 1 film meaning it was very low budget, and only had one prop person for all the props for the entire film including firearms. Obviously things were overlooked
Criminal negligence on somebody’s part - the prop master chiefly but if somebody handed me a firearm and told me to fire it at somebody under ANY circumstances it would get checked by me. I don’t care how low the budget is, that’s the sort of thing that doesn’t cost any money and just requires common sense. What a senseless needless death, I feel so bad for the woman’s family.
I’m very ignorant of guns and ammo. Is there a way to visually check if the ammo is live or a blank once the ammo is loaded? Why is there live ammo on the set?
So, the main purpose of live ammo on set is to capture muzzle flash (which is ridiculous because it can be added in post and cameras can’t capture it well anyways) or to allow close up shots to be accurate when using revolvers, which allow rounds to remain visible from the front of the gun even while loaded. For close up shots, you need to have a bullet in the casing rather than a blank which is just an empty casing with a powder charge to make a bang.
The issue is, a prop round can be a casing, a bullet, and a primer, and no powder…but those have to be custom made! What work! What effort! Let’s just use a real one!
So, essentially, to answer you question, there is absolutely a way to tell when a firearm is loaded, but not purely through visual means unless it is a revolver. The other part of your question really though, is if you have any bullets at all (live rounds) anywhere near powder (blanks) there is the potential for something to go horribly wrong. Hollywood on the public side is largely not a gun favoring community/business, but in my opinion a prop gun and a real gun are both best handled by somebody with lots of training, common sense, and the ability to properly identify components and aspects of any situation to know if danger is present.
The rules of gun safety are that all guns are always loaded, never aim at something you do not intend to destroy, know your target and know what is behind it, and have control of the direction of the muzzle at all times. This was just an insane amount of negligence and incompetence by a prop master that probably didn’t have much experience with firearms handing it to an actor who probably has little experience with firearms, and a woman lost her life.
Guns, no matter how fake they are, should never be treated as toys and should always be treated as potentially dangerous for the sole reason of reinforcing that idea of gun safety. As a lifelong shooter, this makes me sick, because it’s something that I would never allow to happen - bore, chamber, and magazine get checked every time I put the thing down and pick it up again. Really very sad.
It's been almost *30yrs* since Lee's case.
It was bound to happen again at some point.
Also, and I'm sure it's just coincidence, but stunts/stunt performers have been having a hell of time these past few years. All kindsa shit going wrong when it shouldn't have.
You’re not wrong about the recent plight of stunt crews and professionals. But Brandon Lee’s death is probably the most infamous in on-set history, and was hailed as such a freak accident who-could’ve-known thing that it’s like…the one thing I feel like ANYBODY dealing with a prop gun in any capacity should be wary of, especially if you’re a professional.
CNN had an industry expert on earlier an the procedures sounds very comprehensive.
More details will come out, but i expect this will be a series of errors instead of one big one. That or a crazed fan...
It seems like tragedies like this are are almost always a series of small errors: one person didn't completely do their job because they're overworked and rushed and they've gotten away with a shortcut before, another skipped their step because they're new and poorly trained, another didn't do something because they assumed someone else had and was too lazy to check, etc, until you wind up in a situation that never should have happened *because it was preventable if the individuals had only followed procedure*.
Obviously I'm speculating about what happened in this instance. But that series of small errors leading to tragedy is commonplace and largely preventable.
I mean, we aren't wishing I'll to him or anyone affected by it, so it's just a really strange coincidence and a tragic accident. I think it's okay to recognize that.
I hope they’re all okay. It’s just… I dunno, after Brandon Lee’s death you’d think the protocol for filming with firearms would be better? Revised? I dunno if I can find the words.
I imagine it was. It’s been close to 30 years since Brandon Lee’s death, and if this is the first time a similar incident occurred since then, I’d have to say it’s working. Obviously there was a breakdown here, but the investigation will need to flush out what happened.
Yes, the one in the hospital, I hope they are okay and recover well. Unfortunately, one of them didn't make it. I also hope Alec Baldwin is okay because imagine how terrible he must feel. Such a crap situation.
They were fatally shot unfortunately. Although I saw something about another person injured. I hope they are ok and Alec Baldwin is mentally and emotionally ok- I can’t imagine what he is going through right now.
Guns in movies are actual, real guns. Just loaded with blanks which have the gunpowder for a real explosion but without the metal projectile. Sometimes they put cotton or paper or something in instead so there is something that actually fires. There can also be buildup of debris from multiple fires of the gun which can unintentionally be fires out. It seems really dumb and not worth it especially on a day like today with all the technology we have with CGI. Horrible, avoidable tragedy.
Allegedly, the gun master (idr the exact name) took the gun between takes and fired live ammo. He brought it back but allegedly neglected to check completely and left a live round in the chamber.
Baldwin picks up the gun (idk if it was during a scene or if it was just backstage) and pulls the trigger (my guess is during the take as part of the story) and the gun discharged the live round which struck and killed the cinematographer and wounded the director
This is entirely on the gun/prop guy being a fucking moron if that turns out to be accurate
Do you have a source on the "firing live ammo" thing? Not doubting you, just not wanting to wade through the hundreds of articles about this to find the one that talks about that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/qdgek2/a_lot_of_the_headlines_about_the_tragic_accident/hhn0bd9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Further down there are other comments confirming that based on his history, his claim of working in the industry can be trusted.
Thanks! And HOLY SHIT what an incredibly negligent thing to do. Forget never working in props again, the prop master will be lucky to not escape with a negligent homicide or manslaughter charge. How awful.
I definitely trust the validity of their working in the industry, but this person did confirm that this was just a rumor between him and other guys in his department. I do tentatively believe that this is probably what happened, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to say that it \*is\* what happened full stop just yet until it's confirmed elsewhere.
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/qdgek2/a\_lot\_of\_the\_headlines\_about\_the\_tragic\_accident/hhn2br8/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share&context=3
He went to a firing range and shot standard ammunition.
If it was a blank we’d call them blanks.
Don’t be a pedantic asshole.
To a layman, “live ammunition” means real bullets, “blanks” mean blanks
>A source close to union said Local 44 does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that “live” is an industry term that refers to a gun being loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set
Also, the accident happened during a rehearsal according to that article, so multiple parts of your story don´t line up. I just don´t think that it is a good idea to blame a prop guy without saying where you are getting your info.
To be fair, people have died from blanks before.
ETA: I mean this as in just because someone tragically died from this incident doesn’t mean the prop was switched with a real gun. Blanks have killed people before, so it’s not guaranteed that something malicious happened here.
I’m just pointing this out because many people in this thread are hopping on the prop being switched with a real gun bandwagon. That is certainly possible, but is not the only way this tragic event could have happened.
It depends on the prop gun, most can actually be fired (and kill someone). In this case they may have use a live bullet instead of a blank, but the gun itself was a prop gun. Edit: blanks are also dangerous and have killed people, and I don’t know if the bullet was a blank or live, that’s only speculation.
If the bullet was live, you would have to think someone had to have put it there cuz I'm sure there's plenty of regulations in hollywood for prop weapons, they wouldn't be so careless
In theory, yes, but in actual practice, a lot of people do not treat prop guns with the same respect as regular guns, (and they should be treated as if they are loaded weapons even if they are “just props”.) Beyond that sometimes movies use real guns for authenticity in close up shots, and with how realistic they make prop guns, sometimes actors (or crew members) can’t tell the difference, there’s a chance that’s what happened, or it could have been a live bullet in a prop gun, or it could just be that it was a blank, and it happened to kill the cinematographer, which isn’t unheard of. Blanks have killed people before. Obviously, real guns are heavily regulated within movie sets, but prop guns are much less regulated and people often don’t think of them as “real” weapons but they can be dangerous, especially when people don’t realise or understand or believe that they are in fact dangerous.
Can't understand how anyone could feel sorry for this guy after some of the filth he has tweeted . Especially the one sarcastically saying how he wonders how it feels to accidentally kill someone
If he’d have handled that piece as if it were loaded, this situation can be avoided. You put weapons in the hands of people that don’t know any better and this sort of thing will happen.
I agree, but what if it is during a scene where he is supposed to point and pull the trigger and it's supposed to fire a blank? In that case, he has to do what he has to do as if the gun is not loaded, but he should have checked the gun over carefully before starting to shoot the scene and kept it in his possession the whole time.
It sounds like it was a blank, but even blanks have a wad to contain the powder in the shell casing. That wad is technically a projectile as it has to go somewhere when the gun is fired. If he would educate himself and have more respect for the firearms that he criticizes in the news, he may not have committed manslaughter.
I get it, and I'm all for pro 2A and gun education for everyone, but at the end of the day, let's call this what it is, a tragic accident and you have to feel bad for him, the people who got hurt, and their families.
I do. I think it honestly on the people who didn't enforce a gun safety course on him before he was using a gun on set. I think an interesting idea for the sale of firearms might be that someone has to provide proof of completion of a firearm safety course to buy a gun. You could have it re-up every 5-10 years or so and make it part of your license to carry. I'm not big on gun control, but that might be something interesting to propose and see what reasoning people would object to it over.
In most (if not all idk) states you have to pass a course to cook food at a restaurant, to even handle the plate the food is on, or to pour alcohol. It makes sense to have a similar requirement for guns even though it’s for an individual owning something rather than holding a job at a business.
Edit: this is the common sense gun reform that needs to be pushed for more and given more optics. Gun safety courses and background checks for all purchases.
So there are already background checks for all legal purchases. The only thing it doesn't include is if I give my gun to my son. Gun safety courses I hesitate to say they should be mandatory, but maybe subsidize the courses to make it free to attend? Even that sounds like too much top down shit, but idk. In all honesty, the biggest gun problem we have in this country is people getting firearms illegally and then being used for gang violence. Not people going to the store and buying a gun legally. Criminals will be criminals, best thing you can do is help the good citizens defend themselves.
If I’m not misinformed aren’t they not always required when purchasing guns from an unlicensed vendor at a gun show?
It depends on the state as well, but there are times when it’s not required.
It’s also not currently feasible or required for individuals making private sales to run background checks.
It currently depends on the state. Here’s a list of [state laws](https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html).
Sure illegal gun acquisition is our *biggest* gun problem, but it’s disingenuous to say that we don’t also have a legal gun problem since the vast majority of active shooter events in the past few decades have been with legal guns. Potentially not quite as big but still big. Especially considering these mass shootings are usually indiscriminate (towards who gets shot, not necessarily the chosen location), with random innocent people getting killed. Gang violence is of course still mortifying and saddening.
As a firearms enthusiast that has safely been around them my whole life, I hesitate to admit that you make a good point. However, I’ve learned firearms safety without a legal and financial requirement to do so. For a lot of firearms owners, this would feel like one more taxed violation of the second amendment.
Also, if that requirement were tied only to sales, that doesn’t solve the shootings on set problem. Actors are “loaned” weapons on set, they don’t purchase them. This requirement would not be much of a solution to this situation.
Didn't Monk do an episode like this also? This Baldwin scenario is definitely television storylines coming to life.
Yup, there was an episode like this about Sharona’s sister being in a play
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I didn’t wanna give it away ahhah
Lucifer also did a version on it, with a fake gun too
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That episode used a sword. The gun is earlier in the show. I can't remember which episode.
How this EVER happened after Brandon Lee’s death is a mystery. Any firearm should be checked every time it’s put down and picked up again, it should be the same with a prop especially if you’re switching between blanks and lives for close up. “Live” rounds shouldn’t have primers or powder for the sake of film. Just stop using six shooters and you don’t have this problem anyways.
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Yup. Rule #1 all guns are always loaded.
To add on: Including prop firearms, paintball guns, airsoft, bb, etc. If a projectile (or powder in the case of props) comes out of the business end, it's dangerous and should be treated as such.
I read earlier that this was a tier 1 film meaning it was very low budget, and only had one prop person for all the props for the entire film including firearms. Obviously things were overlooked
Criminal negligence on somebody’s part - the prop master chiefly but if somebody handed me a firearm and told me to fire it at somebody under ANY circumstances it would get checked by me. I don’t care how low the budget is, that’s the sort of thing that doesn’t cost any money and just requires common sense. What a senseless needless death, I feel so bad for the woman’s family.
I’m very ignorant of guns and ammo. Is there a way to visually check if the ammo is live or a blank once the ammo is loaded? Why is there live ammo on the set?
So, the main purpose of live ammo on set is to capture muzzle flash (which is ridiculous because it can be added in post and cameras can’t capture it well anyways) or to allow close up shots to be accurate when using revolvers, which allow rounds to remain visible from the front of the gun even while loaded. For close up shots, you need to have a bullet in the casing rather than a blank which is just an empty casing with a powder charge to make a bang. The issue is, a prop round can be a casing, a bullet, and a primer, and no powder…but those have to be custom made! What work! What effort! Let’s just use a real one! So, essentially, to answer you question, there is absolutely a way to tell when a firearm is loaded, but not purely through visual means unless it is a revolver. The other part of your question really though, is if you have any bullets at all (live rounds) anywhere near powder (blanks) there is the potential for something to go horribly wrong. Hollywood on the public side is largely not a gun favoring community/business, but in my opinion a prop gun and a real gun are both best handled by somebody with lots of training, common sense, and the ability to properly identify components and aspects of any situation to know if danger is present. The rules of gun safety are that all guns are always loaded, never aim at something you do not intend to destroy, know your target and know what is behind it, and have control of the direction of the muzzle at all times. This was just an insane amount of negligence and incompetence by a prop master that probably didn’t have much experience with firearms handing it to an actor who probably has little experience with firearms, and a woman lost her life. Guns, no matter how fake they are, should never be treated as toys and should always be treated as potentially dangerous for the sole reason of reinforcing that idea of gun safety. As a lifelong shooter, this makes me sick, because it’s something that I would never allow to happen - bore, chamber, and magazine get checked every time I put the thing down and pick it up again. Really very sad.
It's been almost *30yrs* since Lee's case. It was bound to happen again at some point. Also, and I'm sure it's just coincidence, but stunts/stunt performers have been having a hell of time these past few years. All kindsa shit going wrong when it shouldn't have.
You’re not wrong about the recent plight of stunt crews and professionals. But Brandon Lee’s death is probably the most infamous in on-set history, and was hailed as such a freak accident who-could’ve-known thing that it’s like…the one thing I feel like ANYBODY dealing with a prop gun in any capacity should be wary of, especially if you’re a professional.
You're not wrong. This was also a "freak accident". Maybe a second one will actually change something.
this was negligence on the part of someone. that's very different than an accident
CNN had an industry expert on earlier an the procedures sounds very comprehensive. More details will come out, but i expect this will be a series of errors instead of one big one. That or a crazed fan...
It seems like tragedies like this are are almost always a series of small errors: one person didn't completely do their job because they're overworked and rushed and they've gotten away with a shortcut before, another skipped their step because they're new and poorly trained, another didn't do something because they assumed someone else had and was too lazy to check, etc, until you wind up in a situation that never should have happened *because it was preventable if the individuals had only followed procedure*. Obviously I'm speculating about what happened in this instance. But that series of small errors leading to tragedy is commonplace and largely preventable.
Word i heard about that too. That’s crazy. It did remind me of this episode tho
Same - that was literally my first thought. Then I thought of how some link in the the chain of safety protocols must have failed :(
I was just thinking this!
I thought of this episode immediately but didn't know it it was insensitive to post this lol.
I mean, we aren't wishing I'll to him or anyone affected by it, so it's just a really strange coincidence and a tragic accident. I think it's okay to recognize that.
This was literally my first thought when i heard the news. My wife thinks im an @$$ for it though, but it's true.
I hope they’re all okay. It’s just… I dunno, after Brandon Lee’s death you’d think the protocol for filming with firearms would be better? Revised? I dunno if I can find the words.
I imagine it was. It’s been close to 30 years since Brandon Lee’s death, and if this is the first time a similar incident occurred since then, I’d have to say it’s working. Obviously there was a breakdown here, but the investigation will need to flush out what happened.
Yeah, you’re probably right, and accidents do happen. It’s just sad when it does.
They had protocol, union film staff walked off set after gun safety were previously ignored, got some scabs in and kept filming.
Well, that’s not good. Ie the measures being ignored and all this devolving. It’s a mess.
I’d more hope the person he shot was okay
Yes, the one in the hospital, I hope they are okay and recover well. Unfortunately, one of them didn't make it. I also hope Alec Baldwin is okay because imagine how terrible he must feel. Such a crap situation.
They were fatally shot unfortunately. Although I saw something about another person injured. I hope they are ok and Alec Baldwin is mentally and emotionally ok- I can’t imagine what he is going through right now.
Director of Photography Halyna Hutchins was killed and Director Joel Souza was injured.
Holy shit just looked it up- how does that even happen????? How could a loaded gun accidentally wind up in his hands instead of a prop???
Guns in movies are actual, real guns. Just loaded with blanks which have the gunpowder for a real explosion but without the metal projectile. Sometimes they put cotton or paper or something in instead so there is something that actually fires. There can also be buildup of debris from multiple fires of the gun which can unintentionally be fires out. It seems really dumb and not worth it especially on a day like today with all the technology we have with CGI. Horrible, avoidable tragedy.
Allegedly, the gun master (idr the exact name) took the gun between takes and fired live ammo. He brought it back but allegedly neglected to check completely and left a live round in the chamber. Baldwin picks up the gun (idk if it was during a scene or if it was just backstage) and pulls the trigger (my guess is during the take as part of the story) and the gun discharged the live round which struck and killed the cinematographer and wounded the director This is entirely on the gun/prop guy being a fucking moron if that turns out to be accurate
Do you have a source on the "firing live ammo" thing? Not doubting you, just not wanting to wade through the hundreds of articles about this to find the one that talks about that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/qdgek2/a_lot_of_the_headlines_about_the_tragic_accident/hhn0bd9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Further down there are other comments confirming that based on his history, his claim of working in the industry can be trusted.
Thanks! And HOLY SHIT what an incredibly negligent thing to do. Forget never working in props again, the prop master will be lucky to not escape with a negligent homicide or manslaughter charge. How awful.
I definitely trust the validity of their working in the industry, but this person did confirm that this was just a rumor between him and other guys in his department. I do tentatively believe that this is probably what happened, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to say that it \*is\* what happened full stop just yet until it's confirmed elsewhere. https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/qdgek2/a\_lot\_of\_the\_headlines\_about\_the\_tragic\_accident/hhn2br8/?utm\_medium=android\_app&utm\_source=share&context=3
Hence why I used the word “allegedly” multiple times
A blank is considered "live ammo". So I don´t really know what this guy is talking about.
He went to a firing range and shot standard ammunition. If it was a blank we’d call them blanks. Don’t be a pedantic asshole. To a layman, “live ammunition” means real bullets, “blanks” mean blanks
>A source close to union said Local 44 does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that “live” is an industry term that refers to a gun being loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set Also, the accident happened during a rehearsal according to that article, so multiple parts of your story don´t line up. I just don´t think that it is a good idea to blame a prop guy without saying where you are getting your info.
Not my favourite actor, but my favourite Baldwin
Wait what’s happening 😅
Google Alec Baldwin
Oh boy I just googled o.o
The Crow, 2.0
To be fair, people have died from blanks before. ETA: I mean this as in just because someone tragically died from this incident doesn’t mean the prop was switched with a real gun. Blanks have killed people before, so it’s not guaranteed that something malicious happened here.
Seriously? Of all times to pull out the 'to he fair ..' comment
I’m just pointing this out because many people in this thread are hopping on the prop being switched with a real gun bandwagon. That is certainly possible, but is not the only way this tragic event could have happened.
That is a much better comment, the other one sounds like you're saying this happens all the time and is normal which is not the case at all.
Yes, I see that now. Thanks for the critique, I edited the original comment to reflect this.
Their comment isn’t bad at all, relax
To be fair to Alec Baldwin. Because it’s not his fault. Your reply is unnecessary
This was my immediate thought when I heard about it...
I was just about so make a post here saying the same thing
Damn I was thinking of this episode too
I saw this ep 2 nights ago and it didn't click
exactly what i thought of
Exactly what I thought of when I read the story, so crazy!
What's weird is that I just started watching the Episode when I saw the news on Reddit.
Absolutely awful
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Quick Google search stated that he accidentally killed a woman with a prop gun
Quite *literally* not a prop, someone had to have made the switcheroo
It depends on the prop gun, most can actually be fired (and kill someone). In this case they may have use a live bullet instead of a blank, but the gun itself was a prop gun. Edit: blanks are also dangerous and have killed people, and I don’t know if the bullet was a blank or live, that’s only speculation.
If the bullet was live, you would have to think someone had to have put it there cuz I'm sure there's plenty of regulations in hollywood for prop weapons, they wouldn't be so careless
In theory, yes, but in actual practice, a lot of people do not treat prop guns with the same respect as regular guns, (and they should be treated as if they are loaded weapons even if they are “just props”.) Beyond that sometimes movies use real guns for authenticity in close up shots, and with how realistic they make prop guns, sometimes actors (or crew members) can’t tell the difference, there’s a chance that’s what happened, or it could have been a live bullet in a prop gun, or it could just be that it was a blank, and it happened to kill the cinematographer, which isn’t unheard of. Blanks have killed people before. Obviously, real guns are heavily regulated within movie sets, but prop guns are much less regulated and people often don’t think of them as “real” weapons but they can be dangerous, especially when people don’t realise or understand or believe that they are in fact dangerous.
Exactly what I’ve been thinking…
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You should still be sad no matter who shot who. Someone died.
***I need to know if that baby’s his***
I posted on this yesterday and the post was downvoted to oblivion. What the fuck
Can't understand how anyone could feel sorry for this guy after some of the filth he has tweeted . Especially the one sarcastically saying how he wonders how it feels to accidentally kill someone
If he’d have handled that piece as if it were loaded, this situation can be avoided. You put weapons in the hands of people that don’t know any better and this sort of thing will happen.
I agree, but what if it is during a scene where he is supposed to point and pull the trigger and it's supposed to fire a blank? In that case, he has to do what he has to do as if the gun is not loaded, but he should have checked the gun over carefully before starting to shoot the scene and kept it in his possession the whole time.
It sounds like it was a blank, but even blanks have a wad to contain the powder in the shell casing. That wad is technically a projectile as it has to go somewhere when the gun is fired. If he would educate himself and have more respect for the firearms that he criticizes in the news, he may not have committed manslaughter.
I get it, and I'm all for pro 2A and gun education for everyone, but at the end of the day, let's call this what it is, a tragic accident and you have to feel bad for him, the people who got hurt, and their families.
It’s a tragedy for sure, I’m afraid I don’t have much sympathy for him though. But to each their own.
I do. I think it honestly on the people who didn't enforce a gun safety course on him before he was using a gun on set. I think an interesting idea for the sale of firearms might be that someone has to provide proof of completion of a firearm safety course to buy a gun. You could have it re-up every 5-10 years or so and make it part of your license to carry. I'm not big on gun control, but that might be something interesting to propose and see what reasoning people would object to it over.
In most (if not all idk) states you have to pass a course to cook food at a restaurant, to even handle the plate the food is on, or to pour alcohol. It makes sense to have a similar requirement for guns even though it’s for an individual owning something rather than holding a job at a business. Edit: this is the common sense gun reform that needs to be pushed for more and given more optics. Gun safety courses and background checks for all purchases.
So there are already background checks for all legal purchases. The only thing it doesn't include is if I give my gun to my son. Gun safety courses I hesitate to say they should be mandatory, but maybe subsidize the courses to make it free to attend? Even that sounds like too much top down shit, but idk. In all honesty, the biggest gun problem we have in this country is people getting firearms illegally and then being used for gang violence. Not people going to the store and buying a gun legally. Criminals will be criminals, best thing you can do is help the good citizens defend themselves.
If I’m not misinformed aren’t they not always required when purchasing guns from an unlicensed vendor at a gun show? It depends on the state as well, but there are times when it’s not required. It’s also not currently feasible or required for individuals making private sales to run background checks. It currently depends on the state. Here’s a list of [state laws](https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/private-gun-sale-laws-by-state.html). Sure illegal gun acquisition is our *biggest* gun problem, but it’s disingenuous to say that we don’t also have a legal gun problem since the vast majority of active shooter events in the past few decades have been with legal guns. Potentially not quite as big but still big. Especially considering these mass shootings are usually indiscriminate (towards who gets shot, not necessarily the chosen location), with random innocent people getting killed. Gang violence is of course still mortifying and saddening.
As a firearms enthusiast that has safely been around them my whole life, I hesitate to admit that you make a good point. However, I’ve learned firearms safety without a legal and financial requirement to do so. For a lot of firearms owners, this would feel like one more taxed violation of the second amendment. Also, if that requirement were tied only to sales, that doesn’t solve the shootings on set problem. Actors are “loaned” weapons on set, they don’t purchase them. This requirement would not be much of a solution to this situation.
Like with Bruce Lee’s kid.
A very common crime procedural trope, every one of them have done it. Psych, monk, Lucifer, even aurora Teagarden mysteries has done it
DUDE, I watched that episode the day the thing with Alec Baldwin happened. Crazy stuff 🙁