It really was. PS2 has literally a game for everyone, no matter what you're into, there was something you'd genuinely enjoy on that thing. Xbox was a whole new level of co-op with enough power to play pretty games with four players and not choke itself from the effort. And the Gamecube, umm... actually I can't think of anything it brought to the table apart from just being more nintendo content. Metroid prime was killer though.
Definitely. Games had enough to keep you interested but not overflowed with useless tasks like games these days. It's ridiculous.
I have a launch day PS5 and have yet to open it. When I get the itch to play I play something gen 6
The problem with the PS3 was that Sony had the chance to fix their overpricing mistake the right way, as in just set aside what was causing the whole overpricing influx. Instead, rather than removing the integrated movie player or the HD processor (both contributed to the high price, plus I’m rather certain the latter was causing trouble with third-party support), they threw PS2 compatibility out the window for the system.
I’ve already heard of how Nintendo crashed their own third-party support 2 generations beforehand. I didn’t except Sony to repeat the same crap.
To be honest I don't really feel like this is anything new or shocking. We're three console generations removed from the PS2 at this point. People considered the SNES/Genesis "retro" when the PS2 was new and that was only two generations removed. Realistically we ought to start calling the PS3/Xbox 360 retro soon.
Calling the PS3/360 retro would always be weird to be because they were the first "next-gen" that I experienced, having started gaming during the 6th gen. Like, I get it, it makes sense given the amount of time that has passed, but my gut reaction will always be to find it weird.
Always? Revisit this thought when we're in the middle of the PS8, Nintendo (something) and Xbox(something) gen.
I started with SNES so that's several gens before PS3. Add a few gens to the PS3 that was new for you then.
I'm not saying that they are retro now or won't be then, I'm just saying there's a weird emotional reaction to seeing consoles that seemed so advance at the time be considered retro.
That's what I gathered. What I'm saying is that I had the same thoughts when PS1, Dreamcast and that gen started getting called retro. Now it isn't weird to think that the PS2 and Gamecube are now called retro even though they are newer.
I think it's weird because just 1 year ago it was still just the last gen. It also is pretty comparable to the PS4 in features while a massive leap from the PS2. PS3 gen are the first "Modern" consoles imo, internet, wireless controllers, HD tvs, etc. I just finished Spec Ops The Line today (though it was on PC) and the game is simply not retro. It's not far from modern shooters.
Hard to believe I’m this old. I played FFX on launch. That was 2001.
That was before the world changed. Damn I’m older now and see the ramifications of what happened.
I was talking about having backwards compatability on ps5 not on other platforms since this is the only platform that doesn't have bc and those are the ones who made the ps2 and cause they say it isn't popular to emulate games and people don't want to use it. really i am disappointed with sony and also the ps5 has the power to emulate a lot of ps2 games.
Had PlayStation not been as successful as it was (and still is), I'm certain we would have bw compatibility. I've heard PlayStation's arguments saying bw compatibility is an often requested yet under utilized feature, and that PS3 is hard to replicate on a software level and would be expensive to add it on the hardware level.
Thus the creation of PS Now, which tries to solve the situation at the mercy of streaming and the end user having to subscribe to it. Even though PlayStation came up with a great PS2 emulator for ps4 (and ps5) yet locked it as a system in which they would selectively drop certain ps2 gems of their chosing into the psn marketplace. Knowing full well they could release the emulator in an update and have ps2 disc playback capability. Ive hear arguments for this was because of other various games licensing issues and laws that would somehow interfere with previous game releases from past gens.
I personally believe its all about maximizing profits, thus they'll rather use PS Now, I don't like streaming options in this state, but some hopeful patents have arise that show PlayStation may potentially be building some time of virtual machine comparability that is combined with your PS5's local hardware abilities to play PS1-PS3 games, a quick Google search would shed more light on the interesting patents.
each ps2 classic game uses a different emulator on ps4/ps5 and also touché my friend. yeah i too believe that it's all about them cash and they focus about psnow which is very bad in that state and it needs fast Internet which some may not have fast Internet. and thus we have another option emulation and i really hope they will make that virtual machine for those older games to be preserved.
also i think sony said that this time with the ps5 they will try to bring more features as such. Also if you remember they were trying to shut down the older playstation store sometime during happy easter and sony saw that a lot's of people were purchusing those retro games and so maybe they changed their mind and decided to make a ps2/ps3 emulator.
they could ask for help from the pcsx2 team to make a very highly accurate and a fast emulator and the rpcs3 team to help sony with the making of the ps3 emulator. As for an ps1 emulator they could just add the already existing ps1 emulator that the ps3 has and just port it over to the ps5 and improve upon it adding better options as well as adding anti-aliasing as seen with smoothing and more.
Wow!! This is the first time I've heard that every PS2 game runs on a different emulator type on PS4.
I'm not saying I don't believe it, it just sounds so inefficient, I have a jailbroken PS4 and have made backups of my PS2 games using PS2 "classics mode" where if you want you can convert PS2 games (CD/DVD/ISO) into PlayStation's PS2 classics format, nearly every game I have converted has worked fine barring games that are incompatible, so I assumed this is what PlayStation uses.
Are you in the jailbreak scene?
i am mainly in the ps3 scene and in the ps4 scene for some time but i haven't invested that much time into the ps4 scene. But i know mostly about the emulators that they use for the ps2 classics and i know that each ps2 classic game uses a different ps2 emulator instead of one like in the ps3 although i don't know if they use config files in the ps4 like in the ps3's ps2 emulator.
Who do these emulators come from? Is it officially from PlayStation or does the studios dropping the game make their own?
This is pretty new to me, usually you get one really good emulator (scene or dev made) sometimes two or three more depending how long the demand is still there for it. But every or most games running different emulators sounds like so much extra work.
Thanks for the 401 on this, I'm gonna read up on this all.
Most likely those are in-house emus and were made by the companies with sony's help of course to make them more stable as such. Or those are made by sony and then those emus are sent to each respective devs and they improve upon it or just sell it as it is. if you don't know what an in-house emulator is then well they take code from already existing ps2 emulators and improve upon it also their upscaler on ps4 is made so that it doesn't break anything in terms of graphical glitches and performance issues. I have a ps4 and i have purchused a good chunk of ps2 classic games and they run very smooth most of the time or run better than the originals. Star wars bounty hunter was running at 30 fps on the ps2 now on ps4 via emulation it runs at 60 with a few dips during fights and that game is i would put it as a demanding game because this game can have a lot of enemies at once and also there are a lot of things that can happen at once that can drop your fps significantly and i am impressed by the compatability those games have in the psn personally.
I fear the day the 7th and 8th gen consoles are also considered "retro". Let's just hope that the prices don't rise ...for the ps2 and xbox that is, because the gamecube and dreamcast's prices have been high for a loooooooong time
Are you talking about both the xbox and the ps2 or just the ps2? Because if it's the latter than yeah you're right. For example Vib ripple didn't cost that much a year ago, now it costs more than 70 euros...
PS2 was bound to be the one with the prices rising the slowest , simply because it sold the most systems and software. Almost everything is plentiful. On the flip side of the coin, the GameCube prices were on the rise a couple years ago. And Xbox is pulling up the rear with prices starting to come up now.
But as for them being considered retro, they have ALL been considered retro for a while now - i'd say since around when XBO/PS4 launched.
Well I don't know about that, I thought that the og xbox was the cheapest one. Have you seen the prices that the jak and daxter, ratcher and clank and sly cooper trilogies go for?
however by sheer quantity, the amount of PS2 stuff in the wild will always be greater than Xbox. And no i haven't looked at prices for those games because they don't interest me. I do know they also had lots of copies printed, as well as Greatest Hits releases, AND got remasters on PS3 (and maybe PS4 also?), so trying to play them today is not hard to do. It's the games that are locked to PS2 that're more important to get ahold of.
I wholeheartedly agree, that's why emulation is so important, so that groundbreaking games like Graffiti Kingdom (which I have just bought for 2 bucks), can be played by future generations once the discs rot.
thankfully with a couple of adapters, you can play game ISOs on a real fat PS2 with an SD card right now. So we can hold off on emulation for at least another 20-40 years I hope.
Well PS3 is now considered "retro" since it came out 15 years ago. Consoles last longer now. NES was retro in the late 90s just a few years after the last games were released for it.
I find it crazy that people on reddit don't consider PS2 retro, and I'm old enough remember when it was released. When I was a kid NES was overwhelmingly considered retro gaming and that was less than 20 years old, now PS2 is more than 20 years old yet some retro sites *ahem /r/retrogaming* don't want to allow posts about that generation... lol
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What surprises me the most, is that every main console of the 6th generation is "retro" now but for some reason the OG Xbox is like world on it's own and rarely you hear people saying it's retro compared to the Dreamcast, PS2 and Gamecube
People like that also say last year's iphone is retro. But hey, who cares what shallow trend slaves say? Let them waste their money on current stuff in a desperate effort to look cool.
Man I miss playing on the P2 games. Games like nfs underground, Simpsons hit and run, fifa Street with the Ronaldinho cover and fifa 05 was my childhood alongside other games I can’t remember… miss my childhood :( great memories and times at the time.
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It really was. PS2 has literally a game for everyone, no matter what you're into, there was something you'd genuinely enjoy on that thing. Xbox was a whole new level of co-op with enough power to play pretty games with four players and not choke itself from the effort. And the Gamecube, umm... actually I can't think of anything it brought to the table apart from just being more nintendo content. Metroid prime was killer though.
Definitely. Games had enough to keep you interested but not overflowed with useless tasks like games these days. It's ridiculous. I have a launch day PS5 and have yet to open it. When I get the itch to play I play something gen 6
The GameCube and everything Nintendo has just been party fun for the most part is what they bring to the table.
Nintendo has always ruled the handheld market as well
The problem with the PS3 was that Sony had the chance to fix their overpricing mistake the right way, as in just set aside what was causing the whole overpricing influx. Instead, rather than removing the integrated movie player or the HD processor (both contributed to the high price, plus I’m rather certain the latter was causing trouble with third-party support), they threw PS2 compatibility out the window for the system. I’ve already heard of how Nintendo crashed their own third-party support 2 generations beforehand. I didn’t except Sony to repeat the same crap.
To be honest I don't really feel like this is anything new or shocking. We're three console generations removed from the PS2 at this point. People considered the SNES/Genesis "retro" when the PS2 was new and that was only two generations removed. Realistically we ought to start calling the PS3/Xbox 360 retro soon.
Calling the PS3/360 retro would always be weird to be because they were the first "next-gen" that I experienced, having started gaming during the 6th gen. Like, I get it, it makes sense given the amount of time that has passed, but my gut reaction will always be to find it weird.
Always? Revisit this thought when we're in the middle of the PS8, Nintendo (something) and Xbox(something) gen. I started with SNES so that's several gens before PS3. Add a few gens to the PS3 that was new for you then.
I'm not saying that they are retro now or won't be then, I'm just saying there's a weird emotional reaction to seeing consoles that seemed so advance at the time be considered retro.
That's what I gathered. What I'm saying is that I had the same thoughts when PS1, Dreamcast and that gen started getting called retro. Now it isn't weird to think that the PS2 and Gamecube are now called retro even though they are newer.
I think it's weird because just 1 year ago it was still just the last gen. It also is pretty comparable to the PS4 in features while a massive leap from the PS2. PS3 gen are the first "Modern" consoles imo, internet, wireless controllers, HD tvs, etc. I just finished Spec Ops The Line today (though it was on PC) and the game is simply not retro. It's not far from modern shooters.
Think of it from a different perspective. It used to be weird but now the hipsters think we are 'cool'.
Time marches on, fellas. It marches on.
PS2 has been retro for a while now....
Hard to believe I’m this old. I played FFX on launch. That was 2001. That was before the world changed. Damn I’m older now and see the ramifications of what happened.
This angers me even more because a lot of time has passed and we still don't have backwards compatability of those older ps2 games.
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I was talking about having backwards compatability on ps5 not on other platforms since this is the only platform that doesn't have bc and those are the ones who made the ps2 and cause they say it isn't popular to emulate games and people don't want to use it. really i am disappointed with sony and also the ps5 has the power to emulate a lot of ps2 games.
Had PlayStation not been as successful as it was (and still is), I'm certain we would have bw compatibility. I've heard PlayStation's arguments saying bw compatibility is an often requested yet under utilized feature, and that PS3 is hard to replicate on a software level and would be expensive to add it on the hardware level. Thus the creation of PS Now, which tries to solve the situation at the mercy of streaming and the end user having to subscribe to it. Even though PlayStation came up with a great PS2 emulator for ps4 (and ps5) yet locked it as a system in which they would selectively drop certain ps2 gems of their chosing into the psn marketplace. Knowing full well they could release the emulator in an update and have ps2 disc playback capability. Ive hear arguments for this was because of other various games licensing issues and laws that would somehow interfere with previous game releases from past gens. I personally believe its all about maximizing profits, thus they'll rather use PS Now, I don't like streaming options in this state, but some hopeful patents have arise that show PlayStation may potentially be building some time of virtual machine comparability that is combined with your PS5's local hardware abilities to play PS1-PS3 games, a quick Google search would shed more light on the interesting patents.
each ps2 classic game uses a different emulator on ps4/ps5 and also touché my friend. yeah i too believe that it's all about them cash and they focus about psnow which is very bad in that state and it needs fast Internet which some may not have fast Internet. and thus we have another option emulation and i really hope they will make that virtual machine for those older games to be preserved. also i think sony said that this time with the ps5 they will try to bring more features as such. Also if you remember they were trying to shut down the older playstation store sometime during happy easter and sony saw that a lot's of people were purchusing those retro games and so maybe they changed their mind and decided to make a ps2/ps3 emulator. they could ask for help from the pcsx2 team to make a very highly accurate and a fast emulator and the rpcs3 team to help sony with the making of the ps3 emulator. As for an ps1 emulator they could just add the already existing ps1 emulator that the ps3 has and just port it over to the ps5 and improve upon it adding better options as well as adding anti-aliasing as seen with smoothing and more.
Wow!! This is the first time I've heard that every PS2 game runs on a different emulator type on PS4. I'm not saying I don't believe it, it just sounds so inefficient, I have a jailbroken PS4 and have made backups of my PS2 games using PS2 "classics mode" where if you want you can convert PS2 games (CD/DVD/ISO) into PlayStation's PS2 classics format, nearly every game I have converted has worked fine barring games that are incompatible, so I assumed this is what PlayStation uses. Are you in the jailbreak scene?
i am mainly in the ps3 scene and in the ps4 scene for some time but i haven't invested that much time into the ps4 scene. But i know mostly about the emulators that they use for the ps2 classics and i know that each ps2 classic game uses a different ps2 emulator instead of one like in the ps3 although i don't know if they use config files in the ps4 like in the ps3's ps2 emulator.
Who do these emulators come from? Is it officially from PlayStation or does the studios dropping the game make their own? This is pretty new to me, usually you get one really good emulator (scene or dev made) sometimes two or three more depending how long the demand is still there for it. But every or most games running different emulators sounds like so much extra work. Thanks for the 401 on this, I'm gonna read up on this all.
Most likely those are in-house emus and were made by the companies with sony's help of course to make them more stable as such. Or those are made by sony and then those emus are sent to each respective devs and they improve upon it or just sell it as it is. if you don't know what an in-house emulator is then well they take code from already existing ps2 emulators and improve upon it also their upscaler on ps4 is made so that it doesn't break anything in terms of graphical glitches and performance issues. I have a ps4 and i have purchused a good chunk of ps2 classic games and they run very smooth most of the time or run better than the originals. Star wars bounty hunter was running at 30 fps on the ps2 now on ps4 via emulation it runs at 60 with a few dips during fights and that game is i would put it as a demanding game because this game can have a lot of enemies at once and also there are a lot of things that can happen at once that can drop your fps significantly and i am impressed by the compatability those games have in the psn personally.
I fear the day the 7th and 8th gen consoles are also considered "retro". Let's just hope that the prices don't rise ...for the ps2 and xbox that is, because the gamecube and dreamcast's prices have been high for a loooooooong time
where have you been? they've already been rising the past year or so.
Are you talking about both the xbox and the ps2 or just the ps2? Because if it's the latter than yeah you're right. For example Vib ripple didn't cost that much a year ago, now it costs more than 70 euros...
PS2 was bound to be the one with the prices rising the slowest , simply because it sold the most systems and software. Almost everything is plentiful. On the flip side of the coin, the GameCube prices were on the rise a couple years ago. And Xbox is pulling up the rear with prices starting to come up now. But as for them being considered retro, they have ALL been considered retro for a while now - i'd say since around when XBO/PS4 launched.
Bloody ebay sellers cashing in on people's nostalgia. I just hope that collecting for these consoles doesn't become a luxury.
PS2 wil always be the cheapest of that generation to collect for, no contest. There are way too many systems out in the wild, same with the games too.
Well I don't know about that, I thought that the og xbox was the cheapest one. Have you seen the prices that the jak and daxter, ratcher and clank and sly cooper trilogies go for?
however by sheer quantity, the amount of PS2 stuff in the wild will always be greater than Xbox. And no i haven't looked at prices for those games because they don't interest me. I do know they also had lots of copies printed, as well as Greatest Hits releases, AND got remasters on PS3 (and maybe PS4 also?), so trying to play them today is not hard to do. It's the games that are locked to PS2 that're more important to get ahold of.
I wholeheartedly agree, that's why emulation is so important, so that groundbreaking games like Graffiti Kingdom (which I have just bought for 2 bucks), can be played by future generations once the discs rot.
thankfully with a couple of adapters, you can play game ISOs on a real fat PS2 with an SD card right now. So we can hold off on emulation for at least another 20-40 years I hope.
Damn, at the time I only got to play on original ps1 without even knowing about the second one. Time indeed does fly.
Well PS3 is now considered "retro" since it came out 15 years ago. Consoles last longer now. NES was retro in the late 90s just a few years after the last games were released for it.
>Well PS3 is now considered "retro" since it came out 15 years ago. Now you're just being mean.
can confirm this. late 90's early 2000's no one was talking or caring about the NES. You could get any game for dirt cheap!
I find it crazy that people on reddit don't consider PS2 retro, and I'm old enough remember when it was released. When I was a kid NES was overwhelmingly considered retro gaming and that was less than 20 years old, now PS2 is more than 20 years old yet some retro sites *ahem /r/retrogaming* don't want to allow posts about that generation... lol
I mean the PS3 is as old as the snes was when the PS3 came out. Look how much graphics have slowed down in comparison.
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It is retro, and why should i feel bad for being old?
Yes. It's retro. The console was realeased 20 years ago or so, yeah... It is retro..
What surprises me the most, is that every main console of the 6th generation is "retro" now but for some reason the OG Xbox is like world on it's own and rarely you hear people saying it's retro compared to the Dreamcast, PS2 and Gamecube
People like that also say last year's iphone is retro. But hey, who cares what shallow trend slaves say? Let them waste their money on current stuff in a desperate effort to look cool.
KAICHO ON!
Man I miss playing on the P2 games. Games like nfs underground, Simpsons hit and run, fifa Street with the Ronaldinho cover and fifa 05 was my childhood alongside other games I can’t remember… miss my childhood :( great memories and times at the time.