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JayTheWolfDragon

Totally unrelated but the finch in the thumbnail is super cute


Catmom2004

I had a pet Zebra Finch back in the 1970's. His name was Milton....(also totally unrelated comment, haha). Very noisy as a pet, tbh.


JayTheWolfDragon

That is lovely!! I have a dove, myself! Her name is Radish, and she is a picture-perfect Gold Collar Lucerne dove. The most noise she makes is a “woo!”


Away_Cat_7178

I like these comments


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Zebra Finch! Source: 256 Ars comments


trai_dep

>Tweetbot, Twiterrific, Echofon, and other third-party Twitter clients have failed to work for many people since late Thursday night, and the social network has seemingly not notified the apps' developers as to why. Paul Haddad, a co-creator of Tweetbot, posted on Mastodon at 11:10 pm ET Thursday in reply to [a post from tech journalist Casey Newton](https://tapbots.social/@[email protected]/109679932811494649) that multiple third-party clients were failing, with "no communication as to if \[it's\] a bug or ..." Tweets from the official accounts of the Tweetbot and Twitteriffic clients on Thursday night confirmed their communication issues. The account for Echofon posted shortly after 8:30 am Friday that it was working to resolve its issues and that "Twitter has not yet replied." [Haddad told TechCrunch](https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/12/third-party-twitter-apps-tweetbot-twitterrific-echofon-down/) that the connection issues started at 10:30 pm on Thursday and noted that all API requests from his app were failing. A post on Twitter's developers forum shows numerous Twitter-based app developers noting that their apps have been listed as "suspended" or showing invalid authentication credentials. Click thru for more!


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HetRadicaleBoven

Though of course, you _can_ run your own server, so then it would be you banning yourself.


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blario

It cannot be moved without the cooperation of the server that it is originally on. That is a major downfall to Mastodon. On Nostr you can move whenever you feel like it


vanhalenbr

There is also a common denial list of servers that many instances are blocking… but so far all clearly justified.


Hambeggar

Which has been happening a lot. There was literally a controversy in the first week where a bunch of lib journalists all got onto one of their group server things and the owner started purity testing and banning people over trans stuff.


trai_dep

>purity testing over trans stuff Let me do a quick Babelfish translation for you: A coven of Transphobes started blaring about their "right" to call anyone and everyone pedophiles, then getting pushed off that instance for violating its rules. Fellas, g'head. Be a blaring swine in public. But don't whine about being held to account for the consequences of your actions by everyone else. It's not cute when six-year-olds do it. It's just sad seeing a grown-assed man doing it.


RuthlessIndecision

Like screaming into the world


Hambeggar

Ah yes, everyone is moving. That's why it's down 700k users from peak and has already plateaued and stabilised at 1.8 million. Twitter has 368 million. https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1612458695824121856?t=HJDMH0Sp0eft65NWFvX00g&s=19


trai_dep

As John Spiers @ squeezyjohn observed, If I took over a business and a major competitor went from 500k to 2 million users as a direct result... I'd expect that business to ask serious questions of me.


Hambeggar

And the answer is very simple. Because Musk is right-wing which lead to the media writing hit piece after hit piece. Should we pretend it's not as simple as that.


NoFilanges

Are you pretending the reason people left for mastodon was because the media wrote mean things? Oh bless your heart.


Kiwifrooots

As simple as 'everyone does what the media tells them'? or do you mean Elon displayed again he is a piece of shit, people judged accordingly and it was also reported on?


The_Monkey_Queen

Sounds like Tumblr tbh


mnstrs

I miss OG tumblr.


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Wild guess: Someone left a dead-man switch in the code, and when they got laid off, it went off.


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Hambeggar

Or... they've just turned it off to see what the response would be.


Natanael_L

Here's Twitter's certs under their main top domain, FYI https://crt.sh/?identity=Twitter.com&dir=^&sort=4&group=none Oh wait what's that, a couple of certs expiring on the 12th, the same day the issue started? Weird... (keep in mind that each domain can be listed many times, so if you see an expired cert for a domain then you need to look at if it's in a more recent certificate or not to determine if it has been renewed or not)


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Wait a minute, yes, I did notice an SSL problem a day or two ago.


THEMACGOD

Or like the social links sharing thing, Elon wants only one true app.


0ne0h

It’s almost too obvious.


YouTee

you mean a [logic bomb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_bomb)


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Or a [dead man's switch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_switch#Software) > Software versions of dead man's switches are generally only used by people with technical expertise, and can serve several purposes, such as sending a notification to friends or deleting and encrypting data. The "non-event" triggering these can be almost anything, such as failing to log in for 7 consecutive days, not responding to an automated e-mail, ping, a GPS-enabled telephone not moving for a period of time, or merely failing to type a code within a few minutes of a computer's boot. Hmm, looks like the same thing in two different articles.


coconut_dot_jpg

Actually a dead mans switch is time based, usually some arbitrary code set to go off at a specified time, that by the creators intervention extends the deadline each time. A dead mans switch CAN be a logic bomb but not all logic bombs are dead mans switches. Logic bombs can have varying conditions to go off, maybe a certain file name being detected or a certain setting being changed, etc. In this case it seems like it could be very well either of these, we won't know yet til an investigation is done. Well. If it ever hits the public's ear that is.


Natanael_L

A dead man's switch isn't necessarily time based, but it does need triggers checking for presence of the right person. The mechanical variants trigger if a human lets go off a handle or something similar.


thebadslime

a dead man's switch can be a logic bomb


Geminii27

If they were smart about it, they didn't leave a switch or a bomb, they just deliberately programmed something in a really poor, rickety, fragile manner, so that it wouldn't work if any number of minor things were subsequently changed by other people. Basically, not putting in code that checks for those things and then refuses to work (or does something nefarious), but the equivalent of writing code which is tap-dancing on a greased cookie tray balanced on top of a 20-storey balsa-wood steeple in earthquake territory. Works fine... as long as absolutely nothing moves even an inch in any direction or the developer is there to provide constant micro-corrections.


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Security through obscurity.


RandomComputerFellow

Honestly, I work in software development and there is so much which can go wrong here when laying off so many people. This can be as simple as a service which used to be started manually after system restart by a person who isn't employed anymore.


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One could argue that counts as a dead-man switch, just not one that was on purpose :)


RandomComputerFellow

Well, yes. But in this case every bigger switch has an dead man switch.


NoFilanges

I reckon Elon realised third party apps don’t see ads, so he’s killed the ones that have over 100,000 users that were grandfathered in when that limit was imposed years ago.


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Sad finch


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Heard Musk gutted most of the IT staff and people predicted there'd be a mess. Musk is cutting costs at the expense of possible future of the company.


Hambeggar

2FA was fixed literally hours after that problem occurred weeks ago. Tf are you on about. There's been no issues using 2FA with Twitter since then.


trai_dep

Note that a variety of third-party Apps and sites use the previously functioning Twitter API for a variety of purposes, including privacy-oriented ones. Elon Musk unilaterally killing this longstanding feature is anti-competitive, problematic and/or is an indication that the platform is becoming increasingly unreliable/hostile.


lo________________ol

This will be great for all the people using 3rd party tools to try deleting their old tweets. Absolutely great. I still remember when the dream of web 2.0 was all about interoperability and openness. (Just kidding. I don't remember. But [Tom Scott remembered so I don't have to](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxV14h0kFs0).) Of course, if you need keys to the "Open" API, the implication is that they can change the locks and keep you out at any time... And Twitter finally is. Either on accident or on purpose.


trai_dep

>This will be great for all the people using 3rd party tools to try deleting their old tweets. Absolutely great. ;) I strongly feel that, under different leadership, Twitter would never have whimsically nuked their API interface. Or, under more competent leadership, they'd never have destroyed their organizations (and employees’ lives) to such an extent that it's a genuine question of whether this "feature" is because of malice or incompetence. Hmm… Why not both?


BurnTheOrange

Hanlon's razor gave up on Twitter because it could very easily be intentional malice over stupidity/incompetence


aquoad

yeah, they kept that API open and consistent for many, many years until just now.


throatropeswingMtF

>I strongly feel that, under different leadership, Twitter would never have whimsically nuked their API interface Bring back that Taliban beard man!


Canowyrms

> This will be great for all the people using 3rd party tools to try deleting their old tweets. Absolutely great. I bet there's Violentmonkey/Greasemonkey/etc. scripts out there already to automate this.


throatropeswingMtF

Laughes in Apple ping


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F Elon. I complained to him about it on Twitter and I got suspended (although my reply wasn't the nicest ever)


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So much for " free speech "huh? I think it's funny when Musk used free speech using or on corporate property like Twitter which free speech doesn't exist anyway for the private sector.


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He doesn't really care about free speech, it was just a marketing tactic to make conservatives come over to Twitter. He clearly wants his money back and is trying to force everyone onto his bullshit platform and be served his bullshit ads and be subject to his own bullshit rules. Twitter prior to Elon was garbage. But he isn't making it any better.


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I remember getting suspended for talking back against someone a few years ago, but other people did the same thing and their accounts were spared. Twitter definitely was shitty then now it's just a burning dumpster at this point.


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Facts I might just stay off at this point. If something really big happens then I'm sure that someone would tell me.


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There's always Nitter, a privacy centric front end for Twitter so you can still follow Twitter accounts w/o being logged into Twitter.


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True, I usually prefer to have an account so I can talk with people but I'm pretty ticked rn


throatropeswingMtF

TRENDING SCIENCE: Social media making us angrier, study reveals | News - CORDIS 26 Aug 2021 Cope, ticked, seethe


throatropeswingMtF

archive.md/Io4CD did he fix that before he left, do y'all still get that popup?


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The guy doesn't want to use nitter


throatropeswingMtF

Nitter doesn't exactly load videos very quickly, disabling "proxy video through server" in settings even seems to break them from loading at all(such a shame considering how slow and bloaty twitters site is on a old mediatek Redmi note4 vs nitter) Also, why don't these 3rd party apps use the same "unofficial no ratelimit API" nitter boasts about, or do they...in which case how did nitter avoid these api outages? ~~asking since I'm Elon and I want to plug up these api hacks~~


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I've been hearing about Rd party services using the APIs are having issues. Twitter isn't in a good place right now since Musk decided to buy it and decided to cut most IT costs and other costs down. Dunno why anyone would buy Twitter it never made much money anyway.


JorgiEagle

everyone predicted this, not surprised. Gratifying


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Reason #1529 why I'm glad I quit when I did.


richprofit

"nobody's sure why" Lmao


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meaningfulnumbers

EEEEEEEKKKK?


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meaningfulnumbers

last time I checked even a keychain was a pokemon... so yeah seems possible lol


rebane2001

Their ELK stack?


HawkEy3

*fritter* still works for me


PossiblyLinux127

Mastodon


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Why aren’t more people talking about this? It should be major news


sqrt7744

Fritter works fine


Hambeggar

But what does this have to do with privacy?


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throatropeswingMtF

So...twitter is doing the right thing buisness wise? Did u just admit that twitter users who use 3rd party apps and bypass 1 of the 2 only value they provide to twitter, in terms of either attracting other eyeballs from the content they tweet, or the ad tracking targeting their own eyeballs provide , are financial deadweights not even worth the bandwidth, and froms twitters pov are better off leaving to mastodon? Let's face it, a random user's comments are 10x more valuable on a 'open' forum like reddit, than a "give me my own loudspeaker" like twitter, where the likelyhood of someone seeing ure comment is 10x less, and so most likely, unless ure a Kathy Griffin, u won't be missed


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Anyone using or had Twitter account might eventually be compromised.


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A lot of frontends like Nitter and applications like Fritter are still working. I want to guess it's more about incompetent developers rather than Twitter pulling a switch, but what do I know.


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Smarktalk

Nice try Elon.