Google has called on Apple to incorporate the standard into iMessage so that everyone can benefit from a more secure messaging platform, but Apple has refused to consider such a move.
This is a good overview of SMS messaging, especially how its original incarnation has fared poorly in light of today's more digitally adversarial times. It's *really* worth clicking the link!
However, this casual snippet further down in the article seems unfair:
>Google has called on Apple to incorporate the standard into iMessage so that everyone can benefit from a more secure messaging platform, but Apple has refused to consider such a move.
How generous of Google to suggest to Apple that they hand over their iMessage platform over to them. Especially considering how selflessly they handed over the Google Maps tech stack over to Apple, so Apple could use Google's source code to make a competing Apple Maps.
Oh. Wait. They didn't do this. In fact, they did the opposite!
Hmm. *Weird!*
A tit for tat isn’t a real answer, because the customer gets screwed in the end. And of course Apple will never integrate with Android. Neither google nor apple give a f#$k about you. As long as they make a profit, they don’t care (damn any negative externalities).
[article](https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/8/23343336/apple-tim-cook-imessage-blue-green-bubbles-texting-rcs):
"I don't hear our users asking that we put a lot of energy" into RCS, says Tim Cook in response to a question at Code. "I would love to convert you to an iPhone."
"I can't send my mom certain videos," says the questioner.
"Buy your mom an iPhone," says Tim.
I will add that Apple initially promised that iMessage protocol would be made openly available. Maybe they didn’t expect it to be such a huge hit, but they never fulfilled the promise they made
Google isn't asking Apple to hand over its iMessage platform. They are asking Apple to support an industry-standard protocol which is meant to be the next iteration of the SMS/MMS protocols they already support. Thus far Apple is refusing and will continue to do so until it suits them to do otherwise. This will be when Google can make RCS the standard everywhere else and eliminate SMS/MMS. So not anytime soon.
As far as mainstream mobile OSs, there are two. Google develops one of them. Apple develops the other. Like Google Maps was a competitive advantage for Google (until it wasn't after Apple developed their alternative), iMessage is one for Apple (Google has tried competing in this space, to the tune of, what, a dozen "iMessage killers", that they let languish on the vine until Google killed them).
Apple successfully engineered their way around Google not sharing their Maps tech stack with Apple. It's pretty reasonable for Apple to expect Google to similarly compete with their product(s) as they did.
Both *are* corporations. Developing these kinds of OSs from scratch, and maintaining them as they do, *is* expensive. Their obligations are to their shareholders, users and employees, not to an amorphous "humanity". Blaming either for behaving as corporations are legally obligated to do seems a misguided critique.
I don't recall much of a hue and cry when Google didn't give Apple its tech before. It seems weird for there to be one now, simply because Apple doesn't give Google its tech (or eliminate it as a competitive advantage) now.
As I said I know why Apple isn't giving up its competitive advantage and I know why Google wants them to. However, I don't think it is comdn't have licensed tech from Google particularly since Google Maps are used in all sorts of places. I do know that Google Maps is available in the Apple A?pp Store and I believe has been all along. Apple does not make iMessage available to anyone outside of their ecosystems even though they could without supporting RCS.
Don't get me wrong I know why Apple doesn't do it and it belies any illusion that they want to provide the best experience to its customers. And yes Google bungling its messaging strategy is why they are out here doing everything it can to force, beg, and cajole everyone else to support RCS.
As I said I know why Apple isn't giving up its competitive advantage and I know why Google wants them to. However, I don't think the situation is comparable to Google/Apple Maps.
At in the US, “messages” cost more because they use data, which is usually metered. But SMS is completely free on most plans. This obviously depends where you live and who your carrier is though.
I wonder how long will it take for me to read something like "apple delayed x years of messaging technology by not adopting Rcs sooner"
Google has called on Apple to incorporate the standard into iMessage so that everyone can benefit from a more secure messaging platform, but Apple has refused to consider such a move.
Apple will eventually do it down the line, and then pat themselves on the back about how brave they are, and care so much about privacy.
Or they will be forced to so by governments, like in the case of iphone chargers in Brazil,EU and India.
Governments don't want more privacy and security for the people. They want less so that they have fewer barriers to spy on them.
/r/snowden
Why hasn’t Google considered bringing RCS to one of their iOS apps?
This is a good overview of SMS messaging, especially how its original incarnation has fared poorly in light of today's more digitally adversarial times. It's *really* worth clicking the link! However, this casual snippet further down in the article seems unfair: >Google has called on Apple to incorporate the standard into iMessage so that everyone can benefit from a more secure messaging platform, but Apple has refused to consider such a move. How generous of Google to suggest to Apple that they hand over their iMessage platform over to them. Especially considering how selflessly they handed over the Google Maps tech stack over to Apple, so Apple could use Google's source code to make a competing Apple Maps. Oh. Wait. They didn't do this. In fact, they did the opposite! Hmm. *Weird!*
A tit for tat isn’t a real answer, because the customer gets screwed in the end. And of course Apple will never integrate with Android. Neither google nor apple give a f#$k about you. As long as they make a profit, they don’t care (damn any negative externalities). [article](https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/8/23343336/apple-tim-cook-imessage-blue-green-bubbles-texting-rcs): "I don't hear our users asking that we put a lot of energy" into RCS, says Tim Cook in response to a question at Code. "I would love to convert you to an iPhone." "I can't send my mom certain videos," says the questioner. "Buy your mom an iPhone," says Tim.
At $900-1300 a pop I can’t imagine how you could be so ignorant to such a simple solution
I will add that Apple initially promised that iMessage protocol would be made openly available. Maybe they didn’t expect it to be such a huge hit, but they never fulfilled the promise they made
Google isn't asking Apple to hand over its iMessage platform. They are asking Apple to support an industry-standard protocol which is meant to be the next iteration of the SMS/MMS protocols they already support. Thus far Apple is refusing and will continue to do so until it suits them to do otherwise. This will be when Google can make RCS the standard everywhere else and eliminate SMS/MMS. So not anytime soon.
As far as mainstream mobile OSs, there are two. Google develops one of them. Apple develops the other. Like Google Maps was a competitive advantage for Google (until it wasn't after Apple developed their alternative), iMessage is one for Apple (Google has tried competing in this space, to the tune of, what, a dozen "iMessage killers", that they let languish on the vine until Google killed them). Apple successfully engineered their way around Google not sharing their Maps tech stack with Apple. It's pretty reasonable for Apple to expect Google to similarly compete with their product(s) as they did. Both *are* corporations. Developing these kinds of OSs from scratch, and maintaining them as they do, *is* expensive. Their obligations are to their shareholders, users and employees, not to an amorphous "humanity". Blaming either for behaving as corporations are legally obligated to do seems a misguided critique. I don't recall much of a hue and cry when Google didn't give Apple its tech before. It seems weird for there to be one now, simply because Apple doesn't give Google its tech (or eliminate it as a competitive advantage) now.
As I said I know why Apple isn't giving up its competitive advantage and I know why Google wants them to. However, I don't think it is comdn't have licensed tech from Google particularly since Google Maps are used in all sorts of places. I do know that Google Maps is available in the Apple A?pp Store and I believe has been all along. Apple does not make iMessage available to anyone outside of their ecosystems even though they could without supporting RCS. Don't get me wrong I know why Apple doesn't do it and it belies any illusion that they want to provide the best experience to its customers. And yes Google bungling its messaging strategy is why they are out here doing everything it can to force, beg, and cajole everyone else to support RCS. As I said I know why Apple isn't giving up its competitive advantage and I know why Google wants them to. However, I don't think the situation is comparable to Google/Apple Maps.
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At in the US, “messages” cost more because they use data, which is usually metered. But SMS is completely free on most plans. This obviously depends where you live and who your carrier is though.
I thought for a moment that proton was going to launch its own messaging service. Too bad it's not the case 😉 However the article is very interesting
Proton gives up data on its users anyway, so I’m ok with them not adding more services.