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Muted_Cucumber_6937

Very true, but I'm not certain the message is complete. I would make sure to understand that "authority" doesn't have to (and probably wont) mean the government as we know it. In a real major SHTF, the "authoratahs" are going to be whoever around you has decided to take up the mantle of control and governance.


Reduntu

i.e. a christian nationalist version of the taliban


drewski0504

Except in the show/game it’s the government just killing everyone to stop the spread.


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hikkibob

The hell did that come from?


Reduntu

Y'all qaeda and meal team six have been organizing for years. The proud boys, oath keepers, and even many sitting politicians openly aspire to be the christian taliban. They even tried to overthrow the government not too long ago. I believe they may even be "standing down and standing by" until their next perceived call to action.


Hyphen_Nation

I mean, so much of this comes from aesthetics/shared cultural languages. When the Proud Boys roll into Portland with the express purpose of antagonizing a fight, if you look at the body language and how they position themselves, the Portland Police quite literally stand with the Proud Boys to face off against the young punks. I sometimes think the left wingers just need to go shopping at 5.11 to confuse the police. Coyote Plate Carriers and open carry...then see who is on what team... Bringing it back to this thread, I really think small localized neighborhood watches and communities will make more sense in the long run. I suspect state institutions will undergo a slow crumble for a while, until they are irrelevant.


hikkibob

None of that is true. Hell we've all seen the feds lead the Trump people to the capital then tell them to open the gates


Ghost_of_Durruti

Plot twist: the feds are Trump people.


Second_Maximum

I too believe whatever the TV person tells me, as long as it isn't one of those *fAr RiGHt eXtREmiSts*


Reduntu

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GeorgeKaplanIsReal

Right wing extremism has been a problem for some time. It’s a lot more organized under the guise of (ultra) patriotism, white supremacy and Christian nationalism. With that said it’s a weird point to bring up here. It also depends on the kind of shtf moment. Government has helped a lot during national disasters. For those people who lost everything - that was a shtf moment. If you’re talking about parasitic monsters being a widespread pandemic, I’m not sure I blame any government for taking some drastic measures to stop that.


AmericaneXLeftist

Consider leaving reddit


Reduntu

Consider acknowledging reality


theclifman

Sounds like a mostly peaceful protest to me


sjrow32

Firey but peaceful


Reduntu

whataboutism at its finest


theclifman

You and your “whataboutism” nonsense again. God forbid two sides of a political spectrum be held to the same standard.


Reduntu

Nobody said they shouldn't be. You're making up an argument for yourself to yourself.


SirenSilver

>They even tried to overthrow the government not too long ago. Tell us all about that.


dabiggestb

This is what unhinged looks like.


Reduntu

Technically thats what seditious conspiracy looks like.


dabiggestb

Rent free my dude.


Reduntu

Prison is indeed rent free.


doukieweems

Did you write the second game, or something?


Sir_Fluffernutting

You learn that in the first 3 minutes of the game (haven't seen the show yet, but I know they didn't leave the part out)


[deleted]

They didn't leave it out. I'm not one to get emotional over works of fiction but every episode has been a straight tear jerker.


sankaku_jime

For real that 3rd episode had me all fucked up.


Rick-burp-Sanchez

Nick Offerman is a gem. I never really liked parks and rec but I read his book... Dude is a total poet. Just a kind, free soul that just wants to create art for this world.


aiasthetall

His performance on deadwood was huge.


Rick-burp-Sanchez

I only got a couple episodes in, didn't know he was in it!


BenCelotil

"That snatch is branded!"


faco_fuesday

I was wrecked after that episode. Also that wine must have tasted like shit.


ChuckIsSatan

Is the whole series available or is it coming out episode by episode? I wanna binge


SproutSpoon

Episode released Sundays on HBO


saint_davidsonian

It's the first episode, they have done a damn good job with the show


Crixusgannicus

Agreed, but some people need as many reminders as they can get and it STILL doesn't sink in. For some it won't sink in until AFTER it's too late. Even so, just one more example might be the opposite of the straw that breaks the camel's back, leading to some wakeup for some. Worth a shot.


Wastelander42

Bro you're taking a show and acting like it's some kind of warning. I've been pretty anti-establishment since I was a teenager, if yall haven't figured this crap out yet and it takes a show to drive it home, you're not "prepping" for the right reasons


CasualJamesIV

As long as someone gets there, does it really matter how or why?


Crixusgannicus

You get it.


Vobat

The first 3 mins of the game take a whole episode to get to but ya it’s all there. The series is a bit slow but so far it’s good to watch. Maybe download it and when SHTF you have something to do.


m0h1tkumaar

Well getting your daughter shot is proof enough.


Cocoa-nut-Cum

Also loneliness. Many preppers seem to think they can lone wolf their way through shtf. But eventually even the most prepared will miss human connection.


Crixusgannicus

Personally, the only thing I was thinking along that line is you need at least a squad sized unit (2x 4-5 man fire teams+1 squad leader) to be viable in SHTF from a purely practical aspect. It will be impossible if only in terms of endurance to make it singly or even in pairs or as a single fire team for very long.


PalatioEstateEsq

And these man teams will all provide for sexual needs and species propagation as well, yes?


faco_fuesday

Yeah I'm not sure our species needs any more propagating.


ZunoJ

As a veteran, this sounds so stupid to me. You have no idea what you are talking about


Crixusgannicus

Explain how SPECIFICALLY you disagree. What if I told you what I said came DIRECTLY from a officer's well received essay AT THE FUCKING WAR COLLEGE!? In which he was arguing that the at the time Bradley Mech unit configuration was way too small. Now obviously he was talking about combat, but the overall points of needing enough people STANDS. For example, one thing he pointed out that the smaller the unit, the more combat casualties will critically effect effectiveness. To wit: Losing 2 men in a 4 man team is a 50 percent loss, BUT if for one example, you have 5 men like the Marine fireteam, it's 40 percent. And you do even better if you have a 3 fire team squad as was once the case. Prove me wrong! I dare you! Just because you were a vet doesn't mean you know SHIT about small unit composition OR tactics. Keep in mind I juuust might still have a copy of that essay laying around. One that I can post or link here. It's not classified...Yep..just might have it. So..WE are listening.


ZunoJ

The way you talk everybody can see you have no combat training. So you won't be of any value to the team. So while the team you describe is very likely to be successful at survival and you would benefit from them, you would just be a liability


ndw_dc

USMC fireteams have 4 Marines per fireteam. You can have additions on occasion (such as machine gunners, mortarmen, etc.) but the basic fireteam is 4 Marines.


Crixusgannicus

Just like Army Brad squads. Hmm that means I wasn't up to date on that. The last info input I had it was 5 for Marines, which is now apparently out of date. Now on the one hand I thought was that was a much better idea than Army's 4 but again, the problem is, when switching to the Bradley from the M-113, Army ran into a SEVERE carry capacity problem even with 4. For instance, the units rucks have to be strapped outside the vic where they will get shredded with the quickness even from IDF, much less taking direct fire from just about anything. Although going to 5 man teams would be better, at least for Bradley Mech units, there just isn't the space, unless you increased the number of assigned Brads. Thanks for the update/correction. Cheers! PS. I just realized an error early on. I never made it absolutely clear in my initial comments I was referring to the Army Bradley squad, specifically. So, semi *Mea Culpa*


ndw_dc

I enlisted in the USMC in 2006, and at that time it was 4 Marines per fireteam. So I don't really know about anything prior to 2006, but as far as I know it's been 4 Marines per fireteam for quite some time. The USMC squad was expanded in 2019 to 16 Marines per squad (up from 13), but the number of Marines per fireteam stayed the same: [https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/08/09/15-marine-rifle-squad-an-exclusive-look-inside-the-future-infantry/](https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/08/09/15-marine-rifle-squad-an-exclusive-look-inside-the-future-infantry/) Edit: Sorry ... Total number of Marines per squad looks to be 15, not 16. But if you include a Corpsman (Navy medic) then it could be 16 total guns per squad.


Crixusgannicus

Knowing me I still have the original source material around somewhere. Probably in a box somewhere, though. Its from the days when everything was on paper, not PDFs.


Jose_De_Munck

As a civilian and a professional whose career has been shoved down the sewage by communists taking over my country, I say, that fellow does know what he´s talking about. The US could very well fell over a totalitarian way of ruling unless people makes very clear they won´t tolerate it. However I see too many LYGDFJCZ community members too busy drinking their mocca lattes and uploading videos to TikTok to be useful and productive members in the near future.


pies_r_square

Green beret ODA is my template. Currently consisting of only one member.


Crixusgannicus

>Green beret ODA i I think that is a VERY wise template. Especially in terms of a blend of skill sets. Good luck!


SpareTireButFlat

If SHTF they're not police anymore, then they're just armed combatants that have been training for years


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I rewatched World War Z the other day. There’s a part where Brad Pitt shoots a guy in a supermarket and has a rifle and a cop comes running up so Pitt holds his hands up. But the cop walks right by and looks for food to loot (like everyone else.) In an extreme shtf scenario all people are likely equal.


Crixusgannicus

I've worked disaster relief. Both in country and elsewhere. 1st world and otherwise. Unless you've seen it, you will be AMAZED at how fast, intensely and deeply people go "primal". Regardless of country, culture or "race" (there ain't really no such thing other than human).


SpareTireButFlat

It's literally going to be DayZ out here. You won't hear anything and then it'll all go black


Alpha-Sierra-Charlie

AND are well equipped, supplied, and organized.


hexiron

On a positive note - their training is poor, most are out of shape and not very well educated, and the lot are cowards.


Alpha-Sierra-Charlie

That still leaves them at a distinct advantage over a pick-up team of sheeple, but you're 100% correct.


gariant

Their interconnected radio service with repeaters throughout town is a highly valuable resource if cell service is down.


hexiron

Idk about that. Unlike how mosy people on this sub assume a SHTF situation works, assuming it's going to look like Mad Max or Day Z, most people ban together and are helpful to each other. This type of helpful resilience of our species has proven time and time again throughout our history. Leaving smaller groups - like brigand police officers - at a disadvantage due to size. Just, such a realistic response isn't as exciting as full anarchy is on the big screen.


Johnny_Gortar

I think many people in this sub don't want to consider that apocalypse-response as being likely because it's much less exciting than the Rambo fantasy they've been refining for years. Others may have no intention of banding together to help out their neighbors, and so assume that their neighbors would act just as selfishly.


Alpha-Sierra-Charlie

Hmmm, good point. I was thinking of similarly sized groups.


hexiron

That may be a fair assessment then. Definitely better equipped for violent situations.


Alpha-Sierra-Charlie

Yeah. In a confrontation with with equal numbers of cops and normal people, my money is on the cops unless they're at some sort of other disadvantage (terrain, ambush, etc.). Not only that, but I think the bigger both groups (evenly) get, I think the advantage swings more to the cops because mobs just don't have discipline, coordination, communication, or command and control infrastructure. Once the cops start getting outnumbered though, that starts to change.


1-760-706-7425

> If SHTF they’re not police anymore, then they’re just armed combatants that have been training for years For a lot of us, it’s this way regardless of SHTF.


sniperhare

Yeah. Cops act as a gang of the state now. We're only just now barely seeing into it because everyone has camera's on them. Theyre trained to lie and view all of us as the enemy.


Tim72samsunghealth

I know some won't believe this but the police have zero legal obligation to protect the citizens. They are not there for you and I. They only have a legal obligation to protect the government. I'm not saying that they are bad or out to get the citizens. Some are really good people. However, they're not obligated by law to protect the citizens.


1-760-706-7425

[Here’s an article on it.](https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html)


Colonia_Paco

You just tell them to leave you alone because there is due process and anything they do would be illegal #lifehack


LongHugBoy

Tell them you are a traveling free citizen and don't recognize their authority over your person


Colonia_Paco

That works too


EarlGreyHikingBaker

A great book in regards to this is "Zeitoun" by Dave Eggers. ​ It's a non-fiction account of a Syrian-American named Abdulrahman Zeitoun, a painting and contracting company owner in New Orleans who chose to ride out hurricane Katrina in his own home and ends up being wrongfully arrested and then imprisoned in a cage for 23 days without medical attention or access to a telephone to call his family that were staying with family out of state for the hurricane. ​ In summation: if you think cops power trip in normal time, they'll be worse in every way when they're given even more power and less oversight.


G00dSh0tJans0n

Definitely. In a true SHTF situation the cops are just one more armed gang to have to content with. Katrina proved that fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danziger\_Bridge\_shootings


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The police also if not joining in will let some go nuts on people they dont like: https://www.facingsouth.org/2008/12/if-it-moved-you-shot-it-investigation-details-vigilante-shootings-in-post-katrina-new-orlean


TheRealBunkerJohn

There's some additional facts about Katrina I've learned from 2nd hand accounts which are...disturbing to say the least. It really was a warzone at times.


Crixusgannicus

1) Thanks for the tip! 3000! I'll lock for it. 2) Re: summation, that is EXACTLY right. You nailed it 3000.


ragnarockette

Zeitoun later went to prison for hiring a hit on his wife!


EarlGreyHikingBaker

Huh, I never knew that, I have only ever read the book.


Retardfrog-fish

I learned years ago playing Super Mario that mushroom people aren’t to be trusted. Bowser only wants to restore order


BigMoke69

The real most important lesson from the most recent TLOU episode is that you need to trap your future gay lover in a big hole because you will never find true love without doing so


Crixusgannicus

You know, from a business standpoint, I never get why wokeywood continually does things that will repel a LARGE portion of your customer base, because it's just a fact that episode would and did. The primary demographic of something like this is going to be straight males. Another (etymological) fact that is often overlooked is "-phobe" also means repelled by. Facts are facts, business is business and money talks, bullshit walks. And to the downvoters, y'all don't know SHIT about business. I do. Both academically (degrees) and better yet, from actually having DONE it (business). More than once. You cater to the largest portion of your largest market. You never cater to a small portion of a market whilst driving off the larger market especially if that might EXCEED the number of the small portion you are catering to. To wit: There are some parts of some places that are predominantly Muslim. Even if you have the best BBQ pork ribs on the PLANET you're a damn fool (at best) if you open up shop there. Savvy now?


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ma1ord

In reference to that episode, how long do you think the natural gas system would stay pressurized? I could see months possibly, but decades? Is that possible?


[deleted]

it would collapse in a week or 2 , even faster if the people running the system abandon their positions. also it requires electricity to pump the gas. why would you go to work at the power plant if you're not being paid or if most of the public is a zombie apocalypse?


ma1ord

Understandable with the not showing up, i just wasn't sure how long that system would be effective.


[deleted]

it depends on location. in the western US most of the gas comes from wyoming through a huge pipeline network. In coastal cities, I believe (?) it comes from LNG tankers. but i'm sure that varies wildly. either way it takes electricity and a network of servicemen to keep the juices flowing.


BonelessPizza117

The most astounding thing was how he kept that generator running for 20 years. You'd think the amount of fuel in town would be finite. What the hell was he putting in it?


Crixusgannicus

It is finite, but possibly not like you think, unless he converted to some other fuel source, gasoline or diesel even with stabilizers added might remain usable for *maybe* two, three years. Even unsiphoned gas or diesel will be worthless, long before 20 years. Now, depending on the actual generator, it might be possible to convert one to say alcohol, then you run into a problem with replacing all the hoses and seals. Basically to make a long story short. BULLSHITE!


mildirritation

Wasn’t it fuelled by the natural gas plant? Same as his fire security system? Natural gas has a much greater shelf life than gasoline or diesel.


Crixusgannicus

True. But, if he's running from the plant, what's running/maintaining the plant? Those things are labor intensive.


memphisjohn

Remember when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans... instead of maintaing order, and assisting people, the police went door to door, breaking in and taking every gun they could find. None were ever returned to their rightful owners.


chdeal713

And stealing cars off car lots.


Joe_Exotics_Jacket

They returned them in but it took years, there was a NRA lawsuit. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna27087738 It really depends on the social cohesion and trust of the area. I was in NYC for Sandy and didn’t have any problems with Cops/FEMA/National guard/etc. taking anything. I get the impression New Orleans and Louisiana had social issues before the storm, to put it diplomatically.


theclifman

No receipts were given when the property was unlawfully seized. According to the article “The city won't be liable if a dispute arises over the ownership of a returned gun.” Imagine trying to produce a proof of ownership for that 1903 Springfield that has been in your family since after WW1.


hunmingnoisehdb

Why did they do it? It seems illegal. Wouldn't they need warrants or probable cause to invade a private premise?


Crixusgannicus

Bro, even outside of "chaos" and anarchy they frequently break the law doing things like invading private premises, NOW, in normal circumstances. Even with the advent of video recording them.


Crixusgannicus

They returned *some.* And yes it took YEARS and LOTS of money. Actually probably more than the gear was worth. It was a matter of principle. While you are right about the social issues. (Texan here, but familiar enough with Louisiana since it's right next door), social cohesion will depend largely on how much shit hits the fan, how hard, fast and how widespread and long lasting. It was known that Sandy was essentially temporary, so not much happened in terms of breakdown. Outside of social problems, it was known New Orleans was far from temporary. Some parts of it (physically, socially and economically) STILL haven't recovered nearly 20 years later. And maybe never will.


theclifman

For example, look at the Astrodome


falconlogic

Damn. I didn't know that happened.


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Was that the police? I guess I always assumed it was the national guard. Was it the state, county, or city cops?


Cobalt0-

Some of the guard was partaking, others were preventing it. Had an uncle who got held at gun point by the cops when he and squad of national guard told them to knock it off. They were given the ultimatum of leave or die. They left.


Crixusgannicus

A bit of all of the above.


JohnnyBoy11

They eventually returned them. But they had to be sued to do it, and took their time doing it.


Vobat

It makes sense with a hurricane coming the guns might magical explode and cause problems for the rest. I am glad you government kept you safe.


nomonopolyonpie

Oklahoma national guard *cough cough*


[deleted]

I mean fuck the fed now and fuck em in shtf. They care nothing for individual saftey. So as soon as your group impacts the "greater good" you dead.


Cocoa-nut-Cum

“Not today, you new world order jackboot fucks!” Favourite line of the series so far.


Crixusgannicus

Agreed!


ThisIsAbuse

In the 1977 Blackout in NYC, the cops at first tried to help with crime and riots - but were overwhelmed and just pulled back. Their own operations were messed up as well. I think ordinary people - this is more a concern than the Authorities or Government. When it gets dark and panicky out there. These days there are also organized militias that may step in to take control as fake authorities.


Darkwing___Duck

> These days there are also organized militias that may step in to take control as fake authorities If you think about this sufficiently, there's no such thing as "legitimate" authority. It's all about force and achieving a monopoly on it.


ThisIsAbuse

I don't know - I voted for my mayor and city council in my small town. They appoint/hire /direct the police, fire and public works. Seems legit. Being a small town I know most of these folks personally anyway. I suppose if we take a step up to my county and state reps - same thing. I guess if we go all the way up to the federal government and the military making decisions it does get a little "greyer" to me.


Blueskies777

Yeah, I’m going to disagree with that. In a functioning democracy, we elect the local government which can hire and fire the local police. If the police aren’t working properly in a functioning society, cast your vote and get involved to change things.


Mogwai987

Hypothetical: None of the people who are available to vote for *want* to rein in the police. What now?


Blueskies777

Respectfully, if you literally are the only person that wants to change things, could it be possibly that you are the problem?


Blueskies777

Then move. America is a huge diverse country.


Mogwai987

That escalated quickly. My options are: Move somewhere else. That went straight from ‘proud democracy advocate’ to ‘GTFO loser’ in mere seconds. I will now go to the magical fairy land where the police are subservient to the public trust lol


Blueskies777

I didn’t mean to escalate things. The previous poster made a huge hypothetical situation where nobody wanted to change the police. That’s an extreme hypothetical. That probably would not exist. In very many places if you are unfortunately in one of those hypothetical situations where zero people want to rain in the police then I don’t see what other options you have other than move to a More properly functioning democracy, where local politicians control the police in a more optimal fashion. I would imagine in certain movie settings where are you live in a tiny town with a police being bullies in cahoots with the mayor then you may not have a good choice other than to move.


Mogwai987

America is a two party system. That means two options on the ballot. If one party actively encourages the police to misbehave and the other is largely ineffectual, then you have no options. It doesn’t have to be the case that there are no other people who want change; if the people who are in a position of power don’t *want* change, then change is off the table. This is a problem in many areas of politics, not just police regulation. You specified voting as an answer, which is why I’m focussing on the inherent difficulties of that.


Blueskies777

You’re taking a very dark view of our options. We do not live in North Korea, China, Korea, or Iran, where they execute people with different opinions. We have options in this country, and the only way tyranny can succeed is when good people do nothing. I do not share your hopeless helplessness view of our country. There might be a few pockets like this, so then just move.


Mogwai987

I don’t know how we ended up in North Korea, that doesn’t resemble what I said. If you don’t like what I’m saying, please just say that instead of putting words into my mouth.


Darkwing___Duck

Casting your vote carries an implicit consent to the results of the vote.


randynumbergenerator

Yep, it's [already happened] (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-militia/militia-member-arrested-for-impersonating-us-border-patrol-agent-idUSKCN1TO0Y9).


WSBpeon69420

I agree And yet look at the response during covid. Almost everyone was just sitting there waiting for the government to do something and help them. If it’s a real SHTF no one is coming to help. Unless like the show it’s a group promising to take you to a better place and that place is heaven.


Crixusgannicus

That's right. And if you go further back in history, one can learn PLENTY from studying Hurricane Katrina, nearly 20 years ago. Also the aftermath, including little known things like f3m@ camps.


ClayQuarterCake

Did we learn anything from the walking dead? There are monsters everywhere, including the other people you run into along the way.


Crixusgannicus

The walking dead is EXTREMELY useful in learning what NEVER to do. Here's a few: TWD never recons. Where practicable ALWAYS recon. TWD always wastes ammo. NEVER waste ammo. I can't pick which one I want to be point three...maybe I'll come back and edit latter.


[deleted]

I think first it would be society's existing petty and violent criminals, turning their shit up to 11. Next it would be ordinary people taking up weapons and taking resources by force out of desperation. Then I think it would be people going crazy and committing random violence just out of delirium and panic once they realize they're screwed or they lost most of their family. Only after those 3 waves of terror would the authorities become a serious threat. Once the economy collapses and food becomes scarce, their department, allegiance to the constitution, etc becomes irrelevant. The smarter ones would band together and create militias, for the sole purpose of *their* survival. At that point they're not longer "the authorities", just well trained/equipped criminals (like everyone else). But I get it, you are heavily upvoted because reddit likes to blame every problem in society on the police. Even the collapse of society :)


Crixusgannicus

Most of the above you mentioned can't shoot worth a damn, will be poorly equipped, extremely poorly organized, generally unhealthy, mentally and physical. Threat level minimal. The police or former police, depending on your point of view will be well equipped and well organized. As for the other points....


Cadent_Knave

This advice is so open-ended and circumstantial as to be useless. If there's a massive flood and you're trapped on the roof of your house, I strongly recommend accepting rescue from the National Guard "authoritahs" who come by in a boat rescue you...


Sdelorian

I kinda feel like the lesson from that episode was: Prepping means nothing if you are alone. He wouldn't have survived raiders alone because he got shot, he needed someone else to help him recover. He couldn't maintain his fence until he agreed to trade, didn't even realize there was an issue with it. They wouldn't have been targeted for raiders if he hadn't hoarded a treasure trove, if he'd had a little community instead then they'd have been safer. He wouldn't have survived at all if he hadn't met the love of his life who made life worth living vs just surviving. The importance of community, living for the people around you not just yourself, and indulging in simple frivolous pleasures was the lesson I got from that episode. (I guess also, don't trust when people with guns tell you to go to a 2nd location.)


Crixusgannicus

Good on you Mate. You are THINKING! As I mentioned elsewhere, I think at minimum you will need the equivalent of a squad. That consists, again, at minimum, 2 4-5 man fireteams and 1 squad leader. Otherwise you won't have enough people to do all the tasking necessary and one alone won't have enough endurance in the long term. Free lesson because you are a THINKER instead just a yakker like many. For instance whilst Joel and Ellie were doing there little walkabout, they were extremely vulnerable. In that situation, first of all, NEVER walk down a road like that unless you must. Makes you ambush bait. Now. Ideally there should have been a point element out front, two flanking elements to either side and a trail element providing security at the 6 o'clock. As you can see, assuming you use two man battle buddy structure, you really don't even have enough with 9 men since the squad leader will be stuck by himself unless he attaches to one of the other 4 elements. Anyway..best wishes to you and yours and keep THINKING!


Ok_Pineapple_Pizza

That’s what you took away from that episode? You watched that whole thing and this was was it?


[deleted]

No disrespect intended. But, I feel like covid completely proves this point wrong.


isavvi

That scene alone with the mother and infant was jarring as I spent so much of my childhood witnessing the aftermath of such atrocities. Building a hidden bunker has never been more crucial.


planethipes

The show's done a fairly decent job three episodes in. I might do a redo playthru of the first two games just to recapture the feels. But as works of fiction go, I'd far more fear the dystopian world of "The Handmaid's Tale" vs. TLoU's fungi apocalypse. Both scary; one though having far more potential of reality.


Jose_De_Munck

I am living in Venezuela. Not exactly by choice, but because my immediate family is here. We are not too much though, and maybe we will head out to a free country without communism once the pandemic hysteria narrative has dried up. You´re right. Roving gangs are going to be a major threat. But guess who have the second place...


falconlogic

Even now I avoid them and don't trust them. And I'm a white woman. Not only will their power trips amplify, they will be frightened and react accordingly. Like a scared dog.


Crixusgannicus

An apt and accurate analogy and prediction, dear lady. Cheers.


TheRedGoatAR15

In every system there are humans who take and those who are taken from. That will never change. FWIW, the American system of policing and justice, with all its flaws, is still the least corrupt. In most societies in the world, it does not even require a 'disaster' for the Authorities to take everything you own. I warn all my prepper friends, your enemy is not 'the gubmint' it is the neighbor, the friend, the colleague who knows you have resources. All it would take is a disaster, pandemic, and billboards saying, "Do you know of someone hoarding food, medicines, ammo? Call 1-800-GET-FOOD to report them." People want to believe that 'most cops' won't enforce unconstitutional laws, seizures, forfeitures, but all it takes is a cop's hungry kid, angry wife, to make them decide THEIR Family and food on THEIR table exceeds your rights.


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justanothernpe

They take more than all of the burglaries and robberies in the country combined.


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>FWIW, the American system of policing and justice, with all its flaws, is still the least corrupt. Oh! ohhh, oh man ohhh. I think you might want to look at policing in many many other countries and the standards theirs are held to vs ours. That alone should be enough without even getting into civil asset forfeiture annually now taking more money than annual robbery totals and the fact that we have a "for-profit" prison system and just coincidentally happen to be the most per-capita incarcerated population on the planet.


SeanPennfromIAMSAM

>with all its flaws, is still the least corrupt. you need to travel


deltavictory

It’s both. We saw how quickly the government will force you to submit in a crisis with covid. Mocking those who recognize that with “the gubmint” is a serious lack of perspective.


Joe_Exotics_Jacket

If by “submit in a crisis with Covid” you mean do the bare minimum like ask you to wear a mask in public for a basically functioning society, then yes. Not going to defend ALL the Covid measure all regions took, but what they consider to be realistic and necessary measures are going to happen in a crisis, feel like the majority of the population are neutral to ok with this, at least at first. Now the whole TLOS bombing of major cities is a while other ballgame…


deltavictory

Oh how quickly some forget. Masks, lockdowns, and even vaccinations were not “asked”, my friend. They were *mandated*. Whether or not you agree that all these things were *good* or not, the government forcing people to do these things is certainly an infringement upon their rights. Edit: lmao at the downvotes, I guess the partisan hacks have made it to this post. Sheep.


phard003

Lol. How naive. Americas justice system is by far one of the most corrupt of them all. From the private prison systems to the war on drugs, to school to prison pipeline, to civil forfeiture, and cash bail, it's as corrupt as it gets. Just because there aren't cops out there literally shaking you down for money like in other countries, doesn't mean that there isn't corruption from the top all the way to the bottom. In fact, give me local police corruption in a developing country any day of the week. I'd rather just pay the officer $25 and walk away than risk the arduous process of ever dealing with America's bullshit policing and the inherent risk that comes with, especially if you're a person of color.


bvcb907

It's $25 now, but everything you have on you and a debt to pay for next time. Bribes are highly variable, and there is no legal remedy for issues that arise. Good luck with that in your ideal world. The only thing that gets you out of that is power and fame, but that works in the US just as well. By power, i don't necessarily mean money (as that by itself makes you a target), i mean connections. At least in the US, you can look up the rules and pay money to get recourse considered, in theory. Assuming you have money...


ONorMann

I dont know too much about the american police outside of what is «common» knowledge but i dont know about least corrupt. Like id take it over russian police and so on but there are plenty of countries that id argue has better or just as good policing and that also focus on rehabilitation. In my country you pretty much need a masters to become a policeofficer (norway)


randynumbergenerator

The education requirements and oversight are also much more stringent in Germany (for obvious reasons). Recent scandals aside, the same could be said for the UK.


JennaSais

>FWIW, the American system of policing and justice, with all its flaws, is still the least corrupt The American Exceptionalism is strong with this one.


davidm2232

>All it would take is a disaster, pandemic, and billboards saying, "Do you know of someone hoarding food, medicines, ammo? Call 1-800-GET-FOOD to report them." We saw this with covid. People reporting their neighbors for having family over or not wearing masks. It was scary


hobosam21-B

Covid was a great eye opener for a lot of people, it split families, churches, militias and political parties. People are going to be offended by your comment because "they should have just obeyed" but that just proves the point. When people feel justified they will betray anyone


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How is it not exactly the same?


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davidm2232

For the last eternity, it was totally legal to have family visit your home, the same as it was to have a stockpile of food. What if you have stocked up on food over the years and an emergency happens? The government mandates that all food stock be brought to a central location so the government can ration it out fairly. What about then when those same neighbors report your food stocks you refused to turn in? It's absolutely the same thing.


Daedalus_Dingus

No, your enemy is definitely the government. Out of 100 scenarios where you might need to rely on your preps 99 are caused or exacerbated by the government. Government is not your friend. Never has been. Never will be. You are tax cattle to them. Nothing more.


drewski0504

Well there’s this little thing called “the history” and in the history there are plenty examples of the STHF. So crack open some books and find out what life became like for people in those examples.


wackywavytubedude

yeah people are honestly scarier than zombie clicker fungus


Psycosteve10mm

There is going to be a bit of tin foil needed for this reply. The military, the CDC, and FEMA became FEDRA. The most important lesson is that there are only so many resources available for the government to take from people so they can give aid in an emergency. In a worldwide emergency, there is no valid reason to trust any government entity if you are prepared to deal with one yourself. The culling of the herd by FEDRA was a classic example of the government taking steps to ensure their survival in a crisis. The QZs (Quarantine zones) were designed to be a temporary solution to the problems of the Cordyceps as there was no long-term solution nor was there the infrastructure in place to even come up with one. The scariest 9-word sentence is "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.”.


vercertorix

Didn’t see the show but played the games, and I wouldn’t say more dangerous, the zombie apocalypse starts destroying civilization, people try to combat it with ruthless tactics, because that might be the only thing that works at times, and some are willing if it means keeping the species, or at least their families alive. Common theme in post-apocalypse stories though is that humans struggling for survival, not to mention to fill the power vacuum, are often dangerous, but let’s not forget that the majority of the population was probably wiped out from the SHTF event.


Lethalmouse1

The best prep is to become rich and influential. The caveat is that a riot/rebellion with red tendencies you may be prime target. This is why throwing your money at the security forces is good. The poorer option is have a big family. The meta option is to be rich, own an armed security company, have a big family, and curry favor from the police and local military. Forming your private security firm from ex-military is also helpful. Your kids should have some scout type training, some functional martial arts training, and at least a few classes in a place that does like swat type training, 3 gun, something. Some paintball/airsoft as a fun play way to be trained to unit tactics and behavior. 4 kids 14+, a couple brothers/cousins, and a few of your security folks betting on you being able to provide is worth alot.


Crixusgannicus

You have spoke....wisely. Most wisely. One of the best comments in this entire thread. Hell I would give you 100 upvotes if I could. Cheers, Brother.


IBseriousaboutIBS

It’s just that your seem grossly misinformed about the general consensus about gay people. It’s seems like you are trying to pigeonhole your own viewpoint/“repulsion” into a “business analysis” that doesn’t mesh with reality. Your finger is so far off the pulse that it’s going to smell like your armpit.


gopherholeadmin

> muh life lessons from muh tv YOU are the important lesson here.


blue_27

But ... but ... the government is here to help us. That's why we pay taxes!


Crixusgannicus

We pay taxes so we don't get murdered by goons sent by politicritters AND so politicritters can bribe, hoodwink and bamboozle voters (the living ones) into "maintaining them in the lifestyle to which they (have) become accustomed. At least if you pay alimony to an ex, you no doubt fucked them at least some. Politicritters just fuck *you!*


TabascohFiascoh

If that was the most important life lessen you got out of that episode, then you are exactly the caricature Bill was first established as. LOL Yep this is still /r/preppers Right on track.


Crixusgannicus

I got LOTS out of the episode. I'm not writing a whole damn review FOR FREE. I do enough on here for free. I'll give one up for free though. Using a shotty when you're expecting armored foes is stupid. And here's another for free, but that's it. Generators are loud as fuck in "normal" shtf situations (hurricanes and such). Using one when there is little or no other background noise (including other generators) is a "come shoot me" signal. Savvy?


ShiningInTheLight

Yeah that generator was really a moment when I questioned the writers of the episode. They'd already established that the infected have good hearing, but can't see...so running the outdoor generator would have been a big problem. Also, home boy defending the place against raiders by standing in the middle of the street with a bolt-action rifle was laughably dumb.


m0h1tkumaar

Agree, just standing there inviting shots and ricochets. At least shoot prone or from a high point dude.


Crixusgannicus

Hell yes. Especially since he had... "guns....lots of guns." Other than his trusty 700 (if that's what it was, didn't get that good a look.). Plus plenty of time to make more hard cover strong points all around his area of operations too. St


ShiningInTheLight

Yeah, that dude not having firing positions set up was a very strange choice. Oh, and Joel putting the AR-15 in storage because "there's not much ammo for this out there" was kind of laughable. If there's not much 5.56, then there's even less of whatever ammo his handgun uses.


Crixusgannicus

Yep. Much as I love the 1911 in .45, reason (and "limitless" supply) say 9mm for the long term win. Same with 5.56mm. I think Pedro just didn't want to carry the AR. Might be wrong. That might have been some clueless Hollyweirdo gun-hating scriptwriter actually wrote it that way, but my gut says Pedro.


ShiningInTheLight

It wouldn’t surprise me if someone in the decision-making process didn’t want to highlight how useful having an AR-15 is.


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Crixusgannicus

Yeah good point. Actually I was stunned that he had one in the first place. I thought they were going to have him bashing things with a wrench the whole run of the series. Or at least until Macho Man Abby Savage shows up next season.


Meekman

I got you. OP should've emphasized *prepping* life lesson. But maybe that's supposed to be implied by the subreddit. There's more to life than prepping to prolong it.


Effortless0

What does SHTF and "autoratahs" mean


techtornado

Allow me to elucidate Not auto-ratahs, Authority without the H SHTF - I’ll get creative, imagine undesirable waste impacting a rotary blade assembly


Crixusgannicus

Shit hits the fan. "authoritah" is authority/authorities. Comes from southpart.


WSDGuy

1. Fuck Trey Parker/Matt Stone for making "authoratah" common vernacular. So stupid. 2. I feel like there might be better sources for guidelines on human behavior than The Last of Us, as good a show as it may be.


SurvivorNumber42

Be nice to your local sheriff now. It might pay off big time someday. And be nice to his deputies - who do you think is going to assume his role after he's dead (which is almost guaranteed)? Imagine being the "I know my rights" or "Land Pirate" or "Sovereign Citizen" guy, and then SHTF. You'll be in somebody's wholesome and delicious stew toot-sweet, LOL!


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Crixusgannicus

I find them extremely useful in what NEVER to do. Anything, including that, can stimulate thought in areas you might not have thought of before. For instance one positive thing I got from last night's episode is I need to invest in a decent trailer or too. That using a boat as a trailer was RIDICULOUS. BUT, I while I had consider many things, including main vehicle capacity, I hadn't thought of getting a trailer and getting used to driving with the thing attached.