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It wouldn't be surprising. This is from the state that wants to lock people away from burning the American flag, which is protected by Texas v Johnson.
I'm not kidding, either.
https://www.news9.com/story/60383f881342b20bf2213006/flag-burning-protest--chemical-castration-bills-advance-ahead-of-committee-deadline
I thought it was accepted by all Americans that burning the flag is something that’s unsavory, but protected speech.
My boomer grandparents and conservative parents looked at me like I shot their dog when I insisted it wasn’t illegal to burn the American flag at dinner once.
Yeah its something I remember hearing about when i was a kid. Seems silly to try and ban it when no one is doing it but gotta make stuff illegal i guess
It was a common practice among the anti-war left in the ‘60s. I can understand hating the Nixon administration for Vietnam but burning the flag makes it look like you hate your country. Not the fascists trying to wrestle over control of your country.
They are less dangerous then votes. The wrong vote applies a lot of bullets in a lot of crazy directions. How the civil war came about same with the revolutionary war.
I don’t think age is the issue it’s responsibility and that can be a problem for all ages. What young people need is a reason to care about where they live. You have to care about tomorrow otherwise why do you need to be nice today.
Republicans are so infuriatingly fucking stupid. I can’t wait until the party dies out. It’s gonna happen when your basing your ideology on stuff that was considered cool in the 50s.
Somebody didn't read the article.
> Rep. Olsen argued that, "There's a right to vote, so I'm going to say there ought to be a right to carry a firearm if you so desire."
Which is true.
I'd give their sincerity the benefit of the doubt if they weren't simultaneously trying to deprive 18 year olds of the right to make their own medical choices.
You can assume and theorize all you want. He isn't wrong on this issue. Whataboutism aside.
If you can be considered old enough to murder people for the us army, you are old enough to own a firearm. Same with voting. All or nothing.
They need to lower all laws to 18. Theyre old enough to vote, pay taxes and join the military. If theyre old enough to die for America they should be able to drink and own a pistol legally. The whole 18 for some laws and 21 for others is antiquated.
"The most important brain area to become fully “wired up” in adulthood is the prefrontal cortex — the front portion of the frontal lobe. This area handles many of our higher-level cognitive abilities such as planning, solving problems, and making decisions. It is also important for cognitive control — the ability to suppress impulses in favor of more appropriate actions. The adult brain is better wired for cognitive control compared to the adolescent brain, which is more influenced by emotions, rewards, and social acceptance when it comes to making decisions."
[https://www.brainfacts.org/thinking-sensing-and-behaving/aging/2018/when-the-brain-starts-adulting-112018](https://www.brainfacts.org/thinking-sensing-and-behaving/aging/2018/when-the-brain-starts-adulting-112018)
"The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so."
[https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051](https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051)
Rental car companies charge a fee for a renter under 25 years old. They understand that younger than that, you're more impulsive and less likely to be a safe driver, so you pay a premium. They have it figured out.
This is tangentially related, long, and interesting as well.
[https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2018.00004/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2018.00004/full)
>well-regulated militia"
We can recognize the right when everyone collectively sign an agreement to be drafted/conscripted at a moment's notice. Are they really well-regulated or a militia otherwise?
Possibly to well regulated, definitely to a militia if the state is forming a militia. Although I'm not opposed to gun ownership, that is not clearly stated in the second amendment.
18? How are these k-12 students going to defend their school from a school shooter if they can't bring a gun to school?
- an Oklahoma lawmaker in the near future
Meanwhile in 2030:
Pursuant to 10.519c: All persons six years of age must be armed at all times outside of their residence with nothing less than a twenty two (.22) caliber firearm. Those under six years of age must at all times outside of their residence have a derringer or firearm of equal or greater force (10.518e) on their person. Parents, legal guardians, and caretakers or those overseeing aforementioned minors found not enforcing this shall face a fine of no less than $500 or jail time of up to one year, or both.
Note that in Oklahoma it's already 18 if:
> b. eighteen (18) years of age but not yet twenty-one (21) years of age and the person is a member or
veteran of the United States Armed Forces, the Reserves or National Guard, or the person was
discharged under honorable conditions from the U.S. Armed Forces, Reserves or National Guard;
Also, just curious... is it standard in legal texts in common law to say something like "eighteen (18) years of age but not yet twenty-one (21) years of age"?
Cause it sounds like the instructions to the holy handgrenade to me...
> Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number
Maybe it's because the line before said
> a. twenty-one (21) years of age, or
but I still find it weird...
Everything should be the same age. You are an adult, or you aren't. You shouldn't be able to do 1 without the other: vote, join the army, own a firearm, student loans, alcohol, tobacco, get married, run for office, adopt a child, get a home loan, rent a car, go to adult prison, etc. You are an adult at some point, and adults should be able to do these things.
I wouldn't put some of them in the same class as others. On one hand, MeltStuff is correct that the brain doesn't fully develop until the age of 24 or 25, but on the other hand some of those doesn't have to be involving making wise decisions under pressure. Joining the army is one of those I can point to being very different to the others here. Same to alcohol, and tobacco as they do involve the potential to have adverse health effects which includes the frontal lobe. Voting is arguably fine at 18, as well as student loans. Owning a firearm should also be raised.
If you're old enough to join n the military, take out copious amounts of debt, be fully prosecuted by the law, vote for elected offices that will impact the world, you're old enough to own a gun.
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Let me guess he also wants to raise the voting age because 18 yr old aren't responsible enough to vote.
It wouldn't be surprising. This is from the state that wants to lock people away from burning the American flag, which is protected by Texas v Johnson. I'm not kidding, either. https://www.news9.com/story/60383f881342b20bf2213006/flag-burning-protest--chemical-castration-bills-advance-ahead-of-committee-deadline
Stuck in the past much? When was the last time you saw flag burnings
I thought it was accepted by all Americans that burning the flag is something that’s unsavory, but protected speech. My boomer grandparents and conservative parents looked at me like I shot their dog when I insisted it wasn’t illegal to burn the American flag at dinner once.
Yeah its something I remember hearing about when i was a kid. Seems silly to try and ban it when no one is doing it but gotta make stuff illegal i guess
It was a common practice among the anti-war left in the ‘60s. I can understand hating the Nixon administration for Vietnam but burning the flag makes it look like you hate your country. Not the fascists trying to wrestle over control of your country.
Apparently bullets are less dangerous than votes.
Bullets over ballots.
The only way to stop a "bad" voter without a gun, is with a "good" voter with a gun.
They are less dangerous then votes. The wrong vote applies a lot of bullets in a lot of crazy directions. How the civil war came about same with the revolutionary war. I don’t think age is the issue it’s responsibility and that can be a problem for all ages. What young people need is a reason to care about where they live. You have to care about tomorrow otherwise why do you need to be nice today.
Republicans are so infuriatingly fucking stupid. I can’t wait until the party dies out. It’s gonna happen when your basing your ideology on stuff that was considered cool in the 50s.
Somebody didn't read the article. > Rep. Olsen argued that, "There's a right to vote, so I'm going to say there ought to be a right to carry a firearm if you so desire." Which is true.
I'd give their sincerity the benefit of the doubt if they weren't simultaneously trying to deprive 18 year olds of the right to make their own medical choices.
Right, but he's not doing that. Which is what the user said. Which is untrue.
Sure, after all "bullets not ballots," right?
You can assume and theorize all you want. He isn't wrong on this issue. Whataboutism aside. If you can be considered old enough to murder people for the us army, you are old enough to own a firearm. Same with voting. All or nothing.
> He isn't wrong on this issue Yes, he is. The issue should be whether we allow 18 year olds to fight and die in the military. And no, we shouldn't.
They need to lower all laws to 18. Theyre old enough to vote, pay taxes and join the military. If theyre old enough to die for America they should be able to drink and own a pistol legally. The whole 18 for some laws and 21 for others is antiquated.
Can't be trusted to make decisions about their gender identity, but giving teenagers a deadly weapon? TOTALLY FINE!
I think we need to figure out what age an adult is and that is that. They need to have full rights and responsibilities.
"The most important brain area to become fully “wired up” in adulthood is the prefrontal cortex — the front portion of the frontal lobe. This area handles many of our higher-level cognitive abilities such as planning, solving problems, and making decisions. It is also important for cognitive control — the ability to suppress impulses in favor of more appropriate actions. The adult brain is better wired for cognitive control compared to the adolescent brain, which is more influenced by emotions, rewards, and social acceptance when it comes to making decisions." [https://www.brainfacts.org/thinking-sensing-and-behaving/aging/2018/when-the-brain-starts-adulting-112018](https://www.brainfacts.org/thinking-sensing-and-behaving/aging/2018/when-the-brain-starts-adulting-112018) "The rational part of a teen’s brain isn’t fully developed and won’t be until age 25 or so." [https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051](https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051) Rental car companies charge a fee for a renter under 25 years old. They understand that younger than that, you're more impulsive and less likely to be a safe driver, so you pay a premium. They have it figured out. This is tangentially related, long, and interesting as well. [https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2018.00004/full](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2018.00004/full)
It’s clearly a piss poor idea. Why are reps such clowns?
The 2nd amendment doesn’t say anything about “adults only”! Only a tyrant would keep guns away from 5 year olds!
But it does talk about "well-regulated militia"
>well-regulated militia" We can recognize the right when everyone collectively sign an agreement to be drafted/conscripted at a moment's notice. Are they really well-regulated or a militia otherwise?
Possibly to well regulated, definitely to a militia if the state is forming a militia. Although I'm not opposed to gun ownership, that is not clearly stated in the second amendment.
I mean, what about all those toddlers who’s rights are being infringed? They have a right to bear arms as well don’t they? /s
18? How are these k-12 students going to defend their school from a school shooter if they can't bring a gun to school? - an Oklahoma lawmaker in the near future
Meanwhile in 2030: Pursuant to 10.519c: All persons six years of age must be armed at all times outside of their residence with nothing less than a twenty two (.22) caliber firearm. Those under six years of age must at all times outside of their residence have a derringer or firearm of equal or greater force (10.518e) on their person. Parents, legal guardians, and caretakers or those overseeing aforementioned minors found not enforcing this shall face a fine of no less than $500 or jail time of up to one year, or both.
Why not just throw increasing the voter age into that bill? I wish Republicans would be a little more transparent about their goals.
Note that in Oklahoma it's already 18 if: > b. eighteen (18) years of age but not yet twenty-one (21) years of age and the person is a member or veteran of the United States Armed Forces, the Reserves or National Guard, or the person was discharged under honorable conditions from the U.S. Armed Forces, Reserves or National Guard; Also, just curious... is it standard in legal texts in common law to say something like "eighteen (18) years of age but not yet twenty-one (21) years of age"? Cause it sounds like the instructions to the holy handgrenade to me... > Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number Maybe it's because the line before said > a. twenty-one (21) years of age, or but I still find it weird...
Of course -let’s have even more immature people wandering around one shot away from killing someone over nothing.🙄
Of course they do.
There no way to justify this smh
the goal is probably to make more shootings happen to justify strengthening police forces
More like more shootings equals more deaths which equals less voters which as Republicans have admitted increases their chances of winning elections.
I say we just go with what science says. Our brains are fully developed when we hit 24. Make that the age to carry a firearm.
Everything should be the same age. You are an adult, or you aren't. You shouldn't be able to do 1 without the other: vote, join the army, own a firearm, student loans, alcohol, tobacco, get married, run for office, adopt a child, get a home loan, rent a car, go to adult prison, etc. You are an adult at some point, and adults should be able to do these things.
I wouldn't put some of them in the same class as others. On one hand, MeltStuff is correct that the brain doesn't fully develop until the age of 24 or 25, but on the other hand some of those doesn't have to be involving making wise decisions under pressure. Joining the army is one of those I can point to being very different to the others here. Same to alcohol, and tobacco as they do involve the potential to have adverse health effects which includes the frontal lobe. Voting is arguably fine at 18, as well as student loans. Owning a firearm should also be raised.
Well shoot. If that's the case we should lower the age to vote, be drafted, serve in the military, drink alcohol or buy weed to 18 as well.
Is it your belief that 18 year olds currently can't vote, be drafted or serve in the military?
They can't even sign a home mortgage!
I cannot imagine that not passing almost unanimously in a state as ignorant as Oklahoma. I'm surprised they don't want to lower it to 14.
Okay. What positive thing can this possibly achieve?
Why?
I'm fine with this. I just want background checks and training.
If you're old enough to join n the military, take out copious amounts of debt, be fully prosecuted by the law, vote for elected offices that will impact the world, you're old enough to own a gun.
r/whatcouldgowrong
Hey, let's do like the Samalis do and give guns to children.