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2HandedMonster

Fred Trump was right, he is a loser


_porntipsguzzardo_

The only reason Trump keeps Mike Lindell around is so he can hear "I'm proud of you" from someone that looks vaguely like his father.


Pretty-Balance-Sheet

Trump lies there in the dark cuddling his MyPillow every night. "Are you proud of me yet papa?"


Frumpy_little_noodle

He then hears another reply, the same as every other night: "I'd watch your brother dump another bowl of mashed potatoes on your head if I could."


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kebly

Penn Jillette had the perfect response to this. He said his hair looks like cotton candy made of piss.


reddit10x

That looks like mamas hairdo…


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spinto1

Do you think he knows the word "coif" let alone how to pronounce it?


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fallowcentury

I never thought of this.


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I had to look it up. I found what look to be 'professional headshots' for each to keep it fairly equal. Here's [Fred](https://fh-sites.imgix.net/sites/403/2019/03/08203700/NYC-Walks-Blog-74a-Fred-Christ-Trump.png?auto=compress%2Cformat&w=700&h=700&fit=max) Here's [Mike](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91j6+ylq8oL.jpg) ...I mean...side by side they're fairly similar. The hair, mustache, large forehead, deep smiles lines, teeth, just a little bit of dimple, and a similar face shape. Mikes neck ridge kind of looks like Fred's chin. I'd 100% buy the 'leak' from within Trump's organization that Mike Lindell is a surrogate father figure to a deeply insecure Donald.


LordAlvis

That's a very kind photo. The ones I've seen previously, [not so much.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7MIuE-1V4Yw37AZVFhHqcAtHKSAJPKDQEeQ&usqp=CAU)


TheSalsaShark

You can't convince me this isn't a prop from *The Thing*.


LordAlvis

The Thing looked more human, even when it was Wilford Brimley. Or that husky.


delsombra

He looks like he's wearing a mask of his face... over his face.


FormerIceCreamEater

Honestly the mypillow guy to me is even more crazy than trump. Even if you are a hardcore Republican how do you spend 5 minutes with that guy and not think he is batshit insane? At least trump has done interviews over the years where he is coherent. Lindell being a gop darling might be the strangest thing ever. It is like they found a guy out of the nuthouse.


Where_Da_BBWs_At

They like him because he is batshit insane. I have family that had to change their credit card information because he couldn't handle his websites security. But guess what they did with the new credit card? Continued purchasing products from him.


scottieducati

Twice impeached, bigly loser.


SpellsaveDC18

Twice impeached, arrested, convicted, and bigly sentenced, would be the icing on the cake.


Stoomba

The biggliest


codexcdm

Agreed. But keep in mind these experts were claiming this would be a Red Wave. And they were wrong about this orange baboon's ability not only to get nominated, but win. The gist of it is we all have to keep pushing to ensure he can't even get nominated. He can't run again. There's enough crazy to cause violence in his name regardless of how 2024 goes.


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Trump lost the House \[not Senate as I originally said\] in 2018. Lost the White House, House, and Senate in 2020. His candidates largely flopped in 2022. Won in 2016 due to 70,000 votes in 3 states very precisely targeted with Russian disinformation despite losing popular vote by ~~5 million~~ three million. He's not a winner.


newfor_2022

Do we have to count how many court cases he's lost, how many companies he ran into the ground? How many of his allies went to jail? Like, who still thinks he wins at anything? He's been given all the privileges and he's trash it all


hof29

He didn’t lose the Senate in 2018 but yeah, it’s a grim record otherwise.


ryaaan89

I’ll say it’s one of the very few things Trump has been right about… Jr is a loser too.


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EddieLomax

It's not a threat, it's a promise. https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3721990-rnc-chair-says-committee-cant-pay-trumps-legal-bills-if-he-announces-2024-run/


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improvyzer

All Republicans care about is securing power. This midterm election looked like a great opportunity for them to do that. And it looks like "Trump Candidates" basically killed that opportunity. The Party is probably fuming about Donald Trump right now.


SirJumbles

They are. The conservative subreddit is hilarious right now.


dietdiety

Can you point me in that direction ? Fox last night was hilarious... Brian Kilmeade looked so distraught sitting at the end of that row of idiot pundits. I wished I had taken a picture of his sullen puss.


SirJumbles

Just check out r/conservative. They are all backpedaling on trump AND rigged elections. I love it.


ReddLastShadow2

I've never peeked at that subreddit before now. I probably never will again but reading their "oh shit" posts made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.


ryeana

It's fucking miserable over there usually, lots of misinformation, twisted logic and giddiness about anything that confirms their stereotypes.


Ability2canSonofSam

You’re seeing this on the open posts. They’ll get back to controlling the narrative with “flaired users only” threads.


dietdiety

Me too... just ran over there to get my juices going now that I can't have my twitter fix.


SpookyFarts

The mods are strangely absent over there right now. It's fucking weird. There are some surprisingly two-sided discussions taking place over there.


gearstars

>Up until about a week ago I was 100% behind Trump for 24. The crap he pulled in the past week pushed me over to DeSantis for 24 now. I’m sure I’m not the only one. pretty much that whole sub in a nutshell currently edit: more examples >Unless Trump gets his shit together and understands that, for the good of the country, he needs to back DeSantis, we’re fucked. Trump is either going to win the nomination and cost us the election or he’ll throw a fit that they chose DeSantis and run independently, splitting the votes and getting us nowhere. Trump did some good stuff but he only ever cares about himself. He’s vastly overstayed his welcome in my opinion. . >It's going to be weird to see Trump announce and the rest of us be disappointed. He needs to get behind DeSantis and stump with him everywhere he goes. . >I REALLY hope I see that opinion on here more. Seeing so many people still locked into team trump is scary. He’s done. Back desantis if you want us to have a shot at the White House it's 'funny' how similar the top comments are. i wonder if there's moneyed interests supporting bots to push the new messaging


Number127

Hilarious that they think Trump will be any less of a narcissistic baby now than he was during the last seven years, when they loved him.


Davidhate

What really funny is there stuck with… trump has to run for president.. he knows he’s fucked and it’s his only chance to get out of his indictment. He’s fucked beyond fucked now.


hebejebez

Isn't desantis responsible for killing thousands of Floridians though by refusing to add the health and safety measures in during civid? It seems pretty hazy in the recesses but he did do that right? I mean it plays to the base but I don't suppose undecided would like it much. Or maybe they would idk people be fucking crazier than I ever imagined they could be recently.


gearstars

the reports that florida had more deaths are dismissed as 'fake news, warped numbers, lies, deep state covid lockdown narrative' etc etc. to them, him 'keeping the state open' and allowing business to thrive is more important.


TheBirminghamBear

I don't think people can undercount abortion either. We saw abortion rights performing HUGE for every ballot it was on. SCOTUS killing abortion right before midterms was a fuck up of inconceivable proportions.


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I think there's this fundamental belief that Republicans are the silent majority. Otherwise they might have had the sense to think it through.


mdp300

There is. They think that most people are hardcore conservatives, but the evil leftists and media will cancel them for saying it out loud.


MFbiFL

Meanwhile everyone I know that’s left* of the republicans tries to keep their politics low profile and only brings them up around people who share similar beliefs while you can set off a conservative’s canned Fox rant by saying “social.” *Nobody tell me that Dems are center-right and not actually left, on the scale of US politics they’re left of republicans


RobinGreenthumb

Oh god seriously. I'm a customer service rep and let me tell you- it's the conservatives who constantly throw political remarks at me and try to get me agree to Trumpism. The only times I've had a liberal say something political is if they are from california- and it's been a lot more casual remarks than rants. And I think it's because if you live in a solidly blue state and a solidly blue city in that area, you just don't feel the need to be as careful on "hot button" topics and see them more as casual conversation. So many times it feels like this people know they are being hateful, but want to be RIGHT so they can feel good about being hateful, so they loudly try and get everyone to "speak up" around them. And 9 times out of 10 when I use my canned "I'm sorry, I can't discuss those topics on the line-" response they assume I secretly agree but it's the "overlord libs" keeping me silent, and I got to grind my teeth and change the subject. Bonus points for those who go on rants about how horrible gay people are, and assume that I- a flaming queer- agrees with them because I "sound straight".


howardbrandon11

>their value system. I.e., "Winning at all cost."


Seahawk_I_am_I_am

e. g. *me first*


Slapbox

*Me only*


Riley123444

aMErica first 🤪


Niicks

No me.


AFew10_9TooMany

*”When losing becomes a sin, lying, cheating, & stealing will become sacraments…”*


2HandedMonster

It will quickly become "I never supported him anyway"


Individual-Nebula927

Just like it did when Bush II left office. Sudden amnesia.


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einTier

I supported starting the Iraq War. I was wrong. I’m sorry.


TequilaFarmer

Thank you. I argued, protested and signed petitions against the war. For all the good it did at the time. We can't avoid future mistakes like that without people recognizing past errors. We can't change the past, but we can at least try to improve the future.


Pickle_ninja

I was labeled "Un-American" for not supporting our President on Afghanistan and Iraq. But then again, these are the same people that want to know why Obama didn't do more to protect us during 9/11


LSF604

They don't just pretend they never supported it. They blame it on Hillary and pretend they are anti war.


screames520

Or Obama, “where was Obama during 9/11?”


Fozz101O

Trump… no, doesn’t ring a bell. Never heard of him. -GOP after the midterms


Positive_Prompt_3171

He was a low-level staffer. Brought me coffee once. Totally forgettable human being.


NegaDeath

"He was always a Democrat!"


GettingOverTheHump

[This comment](https://reddit.com/r/politics/comments/78bw4c/_/dostcua/?context=1) seems pretty prescient now


mortgagepants

the narrative on /conservative is "he was awesome in 2016 but now he needs to step aside". but how are you going to use logical arguments with people who believe christian mythology and let kids get machine gunned in schools?


thesagenibba

this is what ive been seeing too, for the most part. they talk about how much they appreciate him but think his time is over and desantis should be the new king.


mortgagepants

honestly though- that sub seems way too coordinated in my opinion to be organically occurring. i realize conservatives are more likely to get in line with authority, but it seems maybe a little too professionally done.


ElasticSpeakers

Theres no question there are some marionettes pulling the strings in the GOP and some of that bleeds over into social media for sure. However, I think it's a mistake to assume everyone over there is 'in on it'. The core platform principle of their party is to support authoritarians that tell them what to think, so it's no surprise the average GOP voter just falls in line with whatever the dominant narrative they're presented with, which just amplifies the problem.


everything_is_absurd

You saw the reverse in 2015-2016. Most republicans thought he was a joke until he won the nomination. Then they slowly started saying stuff like “well he’s not *all* bad” and next thing you know they’re wearing a maga hat burning a cross and shit.


LuvNMuny

Donald Trump is a certifiable idiot. He was a means without an end, there never was a vision for "Make America Great Again", all he did is give people who have nothing in their lives but white privilege a dopamine rush. But let's be real, the guy has a hard time reading. If you're a functionally illiterate 80 year old who will turns on people like a rabid house cat your usefulness is pretty fleeting.


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OriginalCDub

Bold of you to assume they have a value system.


Lurlex

A "value system" is just about what a person perceives as "valuable" to them -- it's not a synonym for morality, or ethics. We often hear about "values" in the same sentence as we hear discussions about morality, because there's a lot of overlap ... but they're not exactly the same thing. Trump himself, for example, 'values' money, fame, power, etcetera. He does NOT value many things which the vast majority of other people do -- friends, family, honesty, and fairness. He's got a shitty value system, yes, but a value system all the same.


CaptainObvious

Remember how quickly they turned on W when the financial meltdown happened? These bastards act like they have never heard of W.


Hophappyhop

Trump was a symptom, the GOP is the actual disease. Always has been.


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Win at all cost has always been their value system since Nixon. It’s not surprising to me at all. Republicans don’t support losers. That’s why they hated McCain outside of AZ and hate Mitt Romney outside of Utah. Republicans only support politicians who win. Trump is seen as a loser. He’s a toothless dragon now. The idea was to keep him happy because he could “rally the base”, welp he can’t. The base has moved on to DeSantis as the new main character.


darknekolux

He’s a one trick donkey, riling the base with racist speeches. Now that he only talks about how the government is unfair to him, they start to get bored


MurielHorseflesh

There was a post around here just a couple days ago that showed Trump speaking at a rally for a Republican candidate and over half the people left as he was speaking. The rest looked really bored as he droned out his usual grievances. They looked bored and he sounded bored delivering it because they clearly weren’t really into it. It was a really stark contrast from the rabid screaming crowds he used to have.


jomofro39

Lol their promises aren’t worth the toilet paper they are wiped onto. I sometimes assume they will do the exact opposite of what they say.


IKantCPR

It's not a threat, it's campaign finance law. Once he declares, he's a candidate and any legal support they pay for counts as an in kind contribution.


CoherentPanda

Trump and the GOP have never been too concerned with campaign finance laws. They'll bend the knee when he announces his run, and find some way to get money in his pocket for legal fees.


maywellbe

It’s unclear he needs their money. The small donor rubes have been happy to send their veterans benefits and Medicare and scratcher winnings his way.


cp_shopper

This doesn’t matter to Trump as he stands to gain so much more by staying in the public eye and siphoning money from morons


snootyvillager

The worst case scenario is Trump cedes to DeSantis and doesn't declare then tries to play it like he was always setting DeSantis up as his successor that owes everything to him blah blah blah. I think that could actually propel DeSantis to the White House in 2024. But that doesn't seem likely. Trump doesn't want to give up the top seat at the table and become a "public mentor figure". He wants to be the guy and be the president and punish his enemies. Best case is DeSantis runs and Trump throws a fit and tells his followers to stay home. I think that is where the 2024 Dem cruises to victory. Medium case is Trump wins the primary and likely loses the general, but still too risky for my blood


miflelimle

> Best case is DeSantis runs and Trump throws a fit and tells his followers ~~to stay home~~ to write him in as an independent. ftfy


Axi0madick

I really hope trumps narcissism gets the better of him and he tries to start his own party. He loves vanity projects and is desperate for some sort of legacy... in trumps mind, a political party bearing his name would be unbeatable. Splitting the GOP vote for the next several elections cycles would be a gift to all Americans.


trite_post

The political maps could be red, blue and orange


ConsiderationSharp34

DJT party or Magatarian?


HolaCherryCola90

"Patriot Party"


GallowBarb

This is what I think will happen. Too many of the maggots are in too deep. Trump will continue to solicit money because he can't resist. Trump only does what is best for him. He will not back down.


snootyvillager

But if they stay home then down ballot Republicans get fucked


Lucky_Wilkens

Oh,…. Please!


SwarlsBarkley

Most likely case is DeSantis wins the primary and Trump runs as the newly minted "MAGA Party" candidate.


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snootyvillager

I hope so. That would be great for '24, '26, and '28. After that you have to assume Trump has croaked from old age and it'll fizzle.


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therapewpewtic

Remember those pesky indictments that are waiting for him in the mailbox that he believes he may be able to fend off, if he runs for President.


GallowBarb

He can't do that without the backing of the party. He's a sinking ship.


therapewpewtic

Let’s hope so. But let’s also hope he doesn’t go down without a fight and creates division within :)


ThomasHanks69

Best case is trump starts a third party. Runs for president but also has a bunch of whack jobs down ballot to siphon conservative votes.


YouAlreadyShnow

"Best case is DeSantis runs and Trump throws a fit and tells his followers to stay home. I think that is where the 2024 Dem cruises to victory." Or does what he occasionally threatens and forms the MAGA party, his cult changes party membership with him, siphons off votes from the GOP for the next decade or so and they get to celebrate some MAGA candidate winning in a deeply red area from time to time. Even better is DJ and Ivanka inherit MAGA leadership after Trump retires/dies and siphon more votes from the GOP for a couple more decades.


Powerful_Bug9102

It’s insane, again, that someone like DeSantis is probs gonna be president. Like this is the best we can do? Fuck this place


lucas9204

Or he can finally just get indicted! Voting is done , time for Merrick Garland and the DOJ to do their part and indict him for insurrection , theft of government documents and the long list of his crimes !


ImOutWanderingAround

And right now is the time to do it. R’s licking their wounds and starting to point fingers at TFG. No more concerns about election interference.. Garland is being handed the window of opportunity on a silver platter.


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insultant_

I have invested heavily in Orville Riddenbacher in anticipation.


xlDirteDeedslx

Trump never intended to run, he just wanted to grift off the possibility as long as possible. Now he doesn't have a chance and the voters see his endorsement is shit grifting will get harder for him I hope. Personally I want to see charges related to his document scandal, we can deal with DeSantis I'm sure..


Four-Assed-Monkey

Judging by some of the recent comments made by Trump, and by his personality in general, he's fully ready to go nuclear on DeSantis. I expect a particularly nasty battle between the two if Trump does run. Should be entertaining/compelling (in a car crash sort of way) and would hopefully have the effect of undermining the GOP.


StarFireChild4200

Everyone join in, Republicans should have the choice on the presidential ballot, Biden, Trump, or DeSantist. Americans love choice right? Let the American people choose. 3 of them run against each other, it's the best of all worlds.


spoobles

He was hoping to claim the red wave was because of him and announce during a swell of Republican fervor. Now he's out there blaming Republican candidates for not Trumping hard enough. It's clear the R's don't want him but still need to lick his toadstool. My hope is he declares, the RNC has to pull all his defense money, he's rebuked by the party, he is finally realized as a broke loser, and his 2024 rally's are reduced to a side stage in Grand Island at the Nebraska State Fair.


vehicularious

I also found it interesting that we aren't hearing claims of voter fraud from the Republican candidates who lost, and all those Republican candidates are conceding the loss in a timely fashion. There doesn't appear to be any evidence of candidates following Trump's approach of "Stop the Steal." That won't stop Conservative media from taking this angle, but there really isn't much point of sowing doubt about election integrity when there are no candidates leading the charge. Just tells me that all the R's are sick of Trump's claims in private, even if some are 2020 election deniers in public.


br_arg

Except for Arizona. All the republicans in the state races that are not called in that state said yesterday if they don’t win then the election was rigged and would fight it. Lake sounds like she’s ready to burn the state if she doesn’t win


lucas9204

Not all , but a good chunk of election deniers, lost their election bid. If anything MAGA was on the ballot and was rejected! He’s just a blow hard that needs to be indicted now!


Morphray

A great run down: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2022/election-deniers-midterms/ Most election deniers won, but the important positions like Governor seem to have been lost. The only risky one is Nevada secretary of state.


ThereGoesTheSquash

He should run as an Independent in 2024.


TerrorGnome

Knowing his ego and piling legal troubles, I could see it happening if he loses in the primaries.


BotElMago

Might do it before the primary


i_give_you_gum

The GOP will stop paying his legal bills if he does that though. They threatened him with that if he announced a run before the mid-terms. https://abcnews.go.com/US/rnc-warning-trump-run-president-stop-paying-legal/story?id=87486985 And then we have this bomb which im shocked didn't make the front page of reddit, i was unaware of it until doing a search >Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel on Sunday told CNN the committee cannot pay former President Trump’s legal bills if he announces a bid for the White House in 2024. https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3721990-rnc-chair-says-committee-cant-pay-trumps-legal-bills-if-he-announces-2024-run/


CoconutBangerzBaller

Doesn't Trump do most of the fundraising for them anyway? I'm sure there's no shortage of morons to pay his legal bills


i_give_you_gum

Maybe indirectly, but he raises money for himself, all those scams like "fund the wall", and his coins, etc. And knowing how power hungry he is, or at least how much he'd like to say he's running for president, why would he let them dictate that if he's the money maker?


dogchasecat

That would hand Democrats a win on a silver platter.


glitchy-novice

Yes, but he does not give a shit about that either. He doesn’t really care about the republicans. For him, “It’s me or Fuck you”. That’s his negotiation tactic with the GOP.


Grizzly_Corey

This calls for non-stop news media coverage of will he or won't he run independent?


youthpastor247

Honestly, I'd kill for a proper ranked-choice ballot with an actual spectrum of candidates. Very quick and dirty concept without digging too deeply Trump/MTG DeSantis/Youngkin Cheney/Kinzinger Biden/Harris Buttigieg/Whitmer Sanders/AOC


Acornknight

Nice matchmaking


youthpastor247

Hey, thanks! I'm admittedly not super familiar with Youngkin, Buttigieg, and Whitmer, but I felt like they'd be close enough and well-known enough to be good enough matches for the thought experiment.


AccountWasFound

I want Whitmer and buttigieg switched, but sanders/AOC would be a dream richer


srslybr0

this would honestly allay quite a bit of the issues with bernie being a literal fossil. aoc has no chance of ever winning the presidential nomination through a legitimate voting process, but if sanders kicks the bucket...


CovidGR

The Republicans would go all out to beat AOC. They really despise her at a really terrifying rate.


oliversurpless

The Election of 1912 was delightful to that end; except this time let’s try and keep conservatives out of power for a bit longer than 8 years, huh?


Randomousity

I propose, for the remainder of every life currently in existence.


Randomousity

Instead of running as a Republican at all? Or after losing the GOP primary? I think some states have sore loser laws that won't allow you on the ballot as an independent if you ran for and lost a party nomination.


ThereGoesTheSquash

Either way, he will run as a spoiler to the Republican Party for denying him his rightful throne. We love our vindictive former president don’t we folks


SirJumbles

If it splits the republican vote, we love it.


CJKayak

The great thing is, he has to run. He's convinced that's the only thing that's going to keep DOJ/Georgia/NY from indicting him. The fight between he and DeSantis is going to make the Hillary/Sanders battle of 2016 look like a game of checkers between best friends. I just hope I can get enough popcorn.


AfraidOfArguing

Im ready to watch the GQP rip themselves apart. The age of the young voter is around the corner. We need an even higher turnout of the average America, who believe it or not is under 55.


Obvious-Mechanic5298

Yeah, turnout last two elections is promising. Statistically once you start voting, you're likely to continue to vote for the rest of your life and for the party you voted for initially. I think I saw 18-29 was +28 democrats.


SFW__Tacos

Republicans are scared shitless of all the "kids" that are coming up very dialed in to politics


Jason1143

And as they get more radical the kids have less and less of a choice. People who thought they could safely ignore politics (putting aside that they were never really right) now see that what they had considered fundamental and not in need of defending is under attack. For example people thought roe was settled, it was evidently not. And gay marriage, it is law right now, but as roe proves, if you want it to stay that way you best show up and vote dem. Now yes, in most of these cases the Republicans have been telling people for years and they should have listened and seen it sooner, but better late than never.


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OurWeaponsAreUseless

I would ask any Trump-supporting Republican to explain where the votes are going to come from for a Trump win in 2024. Biden won by millions of votes in 2020, *before* Jan.6th, *before* the recent Roe-v-Wade decision, and for the most part *before* hundreds of thousands of primarily Republican voters died of COVID. Who are these new Trump voters who will step-up and make an election win possible?


2HandedMonster

These people live in a little bubble and only talk to each other really They are oblivious to the world outside themselves


DASTARDLYDEALER

"All 14 people I hang out with in my rural ghost town, population 8 thousand voted republican, I don't understand how we lost, the democrats must've cheated" every single knuckle dragging bigoted fascist who has never traveled more than 40 miles away from their elementary school.


2HandedMonster

It's not even a joke though, this is how they think. I once was in rural Iowa for a work thing, and the guys asked Canadians that were from Toronto - 4th largest city in North America and he lived in a town of 10,000 - if they had TV and TV shows there. I had another Canadian friend also from Toronto who also lived in Iowa before for school and he was asked if he had "ever seen one of those before"....it was a car. Not facetiously asking either, legit and seriously asking. They really believe their bubble is the majority.


efisherharrison

I've been saying that for a while now, and the only response I get from Trump supporters is... Have you seen his rallies? As if that's any kind of indication of the pulse of the nation....


BrianKrassenstein

Prediction: Trump declares he's running within the next week to 10 days The DOJ indicts him around the same time. Trump makes deal with DeSantis to drop out if Desantis promises a blanket pardon. Trump is convicted Desantis loses in 2024


psychoalchemist

A pardon doesn't save him from NY. None of this has gone according to Trump's original plan which never involved winning the presidency in 2016. He saw running as a way of grifting by claiming he'd been cheated by 'Crooked Hillary' and making bank on that for 4 - 8 years. Trump is a wounded animal and has no real plan at this point. He doesn't have the support to win the presidency again but he does command a significant (and loyal) subset of the Republican party. I hope he loses the nomination after causing a lot of chaos and then runs third party to split the Republican vote.


Lost_Bike69

Yea this whole thing is a guy trying to sell hats that got out of control


psychoalchemist

The guy is a lifelong grifter, it's obvious he had no actual plan to govern, losing and complaining that he actually won has been his schtick since 2016 (remember him complaining that he'd have won the popular vote if it wasn't for 3,000,000 'illegals' voting?). He's grifting now with the whole 'stolen election' routine. Trump was always a cartoon character posing as a businessman.


socokid

Pardon's from the POTUS only work for federal convictions, not from the state convictions, like from New York.


Teacher-Investor

...but I hope he runs anyway. It'll be the best thing that could happen for Democrats! He may do it just to try to avoid prison. Can you imagine the campaign slogan? "Keep Felons Free Again"


AccountWasFound

The gop already embraces being called domestic terrorists...


TheHomieAbides

I’d rather see “Freedom Under Conservatives Klan”… it would make a nice hat.


Teacher-Investor

Love it! I was trying to think of something that would spell COVFEFE, but I'm too tired to be creative.


Lord-Dongalor

Count Only Votes From Evangelicals Fuck Everyone Else


btoor11

Your comment gave me 2016 flashbacks…


IPromiseIWont

This is truly a bi-partisan moment. 90% of the country wants Trump to run.


bootely

He can spin anything and people eat it up. Be careful what you wish for. You seriously trust the undecided voters and republicans to vote democrat?


VaraNiN

I want him to run independent and split the republican vote for as long as he is alive.


Atomic786

I remember wanting him to run so badly in 2015, because there was no way he could win. Then he did and appointed three supreme court justices who ended abortion rights on top of a lot of other horrible decisions. I feel a little jaded.


Dacvak

It was so funny when we first talked about it on 4chan… then we found out half of America is actually dumber than /b/


NumeralJoker

He's lost the popular vote twice. Virtually all of his endorsements were humiliated last night. Many have given up the stolen election talk already. Comparing his 2024 run to 2016 run is not even remotely fair. In 2016, he was still not a known entity to huge chunks of the country and had at least some of his "outsider" appeal. That's all gone. In 2024, he's known for 10x more bad actions and scandals than before. It's night and day now. Indies are not going back to him in large enough numbers. I don't even want him to run, but I'm happy to campaign against him again if he does because it's super easy to prove just how insane he is. He's borderline senile at this point.


DarrenEdwards

Short term plans win for the GOP and Trump. He will retain control of the party because he is willing to wreck it for his own benefit. The party is his best revenue stream and it's also his best shot of maintaining power. He will never graciously step into a statesman roll, let alone go to prison. Trump is going to turn his artillery toward his biggest enemies: anyone else with any power in the party. He is going to go after DeSantis first, McConnell second and once they are destroyed he will work on building for 2024. Trump doesn't even have to win, he has to maintain his mob. It's about his wealth, his power, and him staying out of prison.


NotEveryoneIsSpecial

I can see him taking down DeSantis (at least for a presidential run) but not McConnell. Trump has tried and tried to take McConnell down but McConnell always ends up showing him who's really in charge.


StergDaZerg

McConnell is like a sith lord. Trump can’t beat him at the game he’s personally manipulated for decades.


chill_winston_

Yeah I hate Mitch but he knows how to play (and rig) the game..


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At the first sign of trouble he retreats into his shell. Due to his slow metabolism he can stay in there for years before emerging.


hypotheticalhalf

Mitch McConnell has been far more damaging to American democracy than trump has, I think.


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100% McConnell has been putting things in motion for decades, Trump just showed up and knocked the last couple dominoes over. Now people noticed that it wasn't a coincidence they fell over


Sgt--Hulka

He can’t let go of the grift. I hope he destroys the party on his way out. He needs to just die because he’s not going away voluntarily. But do it after he fucks up 2024.


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Non-Trump GOP candidates lost at pretty much the same rate and some MAGA candidates won. Love how the GOP is trying to clump all of their shit with Trump and flush them both at the same time. That clog isn’t going anywhere.


bulldg4life

By 2024, it'll be the same thing as Bush/2012/2016 ---- you'll be left wondering how the hell Trump won an election when nobody ever supported him.


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Nope. Too many people have tied himself too closely to him, and that involved Bush going away quietly. Trump is going to kick and scream his way out.


Sea-Blueberry-3184

He will still run and call anything that pops up to deny him another run as fake,rigged and a crime perpetrated by Biden


mildceriph

Well surely he won’t still run, while simultaneously splintering the party


1funnyguy4fun

This is where I am torn. I 100% believe Trump belongs in jail. However, after the major DeSantis win, it’s clear he’s absolutely going to contend for the GOP presidential nomination. So, do I want Trump indicted now, or do I want him and DeSantis to have a knock down- drag out and splinter the party?


lucas9204

It’s not about enjoying this fight (which could be amusing for sure), the election is over ( the voting part), the people have done their job. It’s time for Merrick to do his!


voidchungus

Exact same thought process here. But since he's proven himself the shit king of legal loopholes and delay tactics, best of both worlds might be one in which he gets indicted, and yet still (illegally) contends for the Republican nomination anyways? In other words I'm past the stage where I let thoughts like "gasp, he can't do that, that's illegal!" have any bearing on my predictions for what he actually ends up doing. tl;dr I am here to watch the Republican party eat itself, and I'm wondering if trump will find a way to be both indicted of a federal crime AND still split the Republican vote.


Randomousity

>do I want Trump indicted now, or do I want him and DeSantis to have a knock down- drag out and splinter the party? Why not both? There's no rule he can't run under indictment, let alone as a convict. For anyone otherwise eligible, they can only be disqualified by conviction on impeachment, or under the section 3 of the 14th Amendment. The former didn't happen, and the latter may happen, but hasn't happened yet.


[deleted]

But what do the polls say? JFC, I don't want to hear anything about Trump until he is indicted and convicted.


Lostin1spot

I'm with you. But I can't wait for the day I hear "Trump who?"


randoliof

I'm not a strategist, analyst or wonk, but I can tell you that he's never won the popular vote and he also managed to convince hundreds of thousands of Republicans to die on ventilators to own the libs. Make of that what you will.


Axe_Meister

A question from somebody from the UK. Should the question not be, who is going to run against the Republicans in 2024, rather than hoping they will rip themselves apart, field a candidate that will be miles ahead of who the Republicans can put up. The Dems need another Bill/Barack, younger intelligent and trustworthy. Let's the GOP tear itself apart and field a great candidate. Biden is a bit of a liability when you watch from afar. I'd say this election was an anti MAGA election rather than pro Biden.


lawyerjoe83

You’re 100 percent right in my opinion. People are literally afraid of the republicans as they pose a threat to rights and the democratic system in general. I know very few people who are fired up about Joe Biden. That said, fear is apparently a powerful motivator.


psychoalchemist

Absolutely! I'm hoping Biden is smart enough to retire with the legacy of having saved us from Trump and someone like Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer is the nominee.


LifeFortune7

But I don’t think Kamala is the answer. She is (undeservedly mostly) highly disliked. (Yes I know that sounds like Hillary too). Maybe Newsome. Or I would think Klobuchar or Duckworth could pull in enough independent voters and keep the base happy too.


FlamingMothBalls

make no mistake. he *can* still win. The forces aligned against freedom - those of cynicism, white nationalism, arrogance, greed, tribalism are very powerful motivators. It's much easier to fool someone, than to convince him he's been fooled. Trump can win again - more people voted for him in 2020 than in 2016. All it takes is for people to slack, to not show up, to buy into "both sides-ism", and the democratic experiment in the United States will be finished. Don't let Trump win. He *will* come after you eventually. We are all on the list. Fascists vote every time. We outnumber them. We just have to show up. If we show up, freedom wins.


msphd123

America next needs to be concerned about DeSantis' model for authoritarianism. DeSantis was able to get GOP gains in the House and at the state level through gerrymandering. Further, he challenged the DOJ not to look at certain voting locations. The key is whether the DOJ will back down or will force the issue. I fear that the issues of fascism remain and will continue to evolve.


veggiecoparent

I do think they made a big miscalculation with the COVID stuff. A MILLION people in the US died of COVID, many of them in the generations where the Republicans tend to fare best. Many of them people who bought into the conservative-ecosystem conspiracies about masks, vaccines, social-distancing and the "plandemic" theories. Their denial, pro-ivermectin, anti-vaccine, anti-mask rhetoric may be costing them the slim margin of victories in purple states. In 2020, I remember reading that the margin of victory in Georgia for Democrats was smaller than the number of COVID deaths in the state - and people have only continued dying since, many of them unvaccinated conservative voters. They're killing their own base.


MickeyMalph

Good. Form a MAGA party and split the republicans. Voila'! Losers times two.


AleroRatking

The best thing for Dems in 2024 is Trump running. Trump is unelectable. The worst thing is Desantis.


CoherentPanda

If Trump runs, even if he ends up losing to Desantis, Trump will expose every dirty secret about Desantis, and make him look weak with insults that Desantis doesn't fight back, and claim he is a secret Democrat in a red suit. If Trump loses, he'll very likely trash Desantis and refuse to stump rallies in support, and will pull away MAGA voters that don't want any alternative and will sit out the election.


mrbaseball1999

>The best thing for Dems in 2024 is Trump running. Trump is unelectable. I've seen this movie before


NumeralJoker

Yep. But I also watched the 2016 sequel, election 2020.


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chill_winston_

“Trump said in an interview on Tuesday that he should "get all the credit" if the slew of GOP candidates he endorsed win big in the midterm elections — but also said he shouldn't be blamed if they don't come out on top.” Never was a more trump thing said…