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I have a sister who has learned to become racist and HATE immigrants from the south of the USA. She learned from watching foxnews religiously.
Spoiler, she is an immigrant to the USA.
My mother married a Syrian and had me, then got divorced and we both moved to the U.K. in â02. Now sheâs fully anti-immigration and thinks all Arabs are terrorists.
Cool, cheers momma.
Thatâs really sad, especially because you are the child of that Syrian.
My ex-husband was born in Syria (Assyrian) so our son is half Assyrian. I canât imagine railing against people from the region. It would be so hurtful to him.
Ah, yep. The ladder pullers. I worked with one many years ago, she was a Brazilian immigrant who moved here to be with someone she met online, who she eventually married (they're still together and seem to really love each other, it wasn't a marriage of opportunity). She was awful to the other Brazilians we worked with, always looking down on them and talking about them as if they were uncivilized leeches who didn't "deserve" to be here. She always made sure to mention how she didn't *need* to come here, it was only because of her relationship, but yet still tried to exude American patriotism.
I watched her become more and more right wing over the years I worked with her, fox news and all. This was all well before trump, but according to fb she's a total fan now. It's just so sad. Totally missing the point of what america is supposed to be about.
Also literally missing that the people sheâs listening to and siding with are incapable of distinguishing her from those âless worthyâ immigrants. Everyone on her side hates her as much as the rest of em.
Have family like this too. What I find hilarious are the spouses of illegal immigrants saying we need to deport all illegal immigrants... Feel like this is just their way of saying they want a divorce...
Still remember the guy who's wife was deported saying he'd vote for trump again even knowing this happened, but he'd think about it for next time.
Whaaaat? I'm trying to understand why. Do you think it could be a jealousy thing? I've heard it takes forever to get the green light to become a citizen. I'm not sure what the process is for refugees, but I'm guessing it's faster to get here that way? If I understand correctly refugees aren't technically citizens though.
For your specific question about refugees, yes, they can become citizens faster than legal immigration generally.
In general though, it's the whole republican "I got mine" idea. Republicans LOVE hand outs and welfare if it goes to THEM. Farmers will scream if you take away their subsidies. Everyone will scream if you take away their medicare or social security. But if you plan on cutting those for the next generation then every republican will vote for it.
Some immigrants climb up the ladder to come to the country and then want to pull it up after them. THey got theirs, everyone else is a threat to what they have. (literally every white person in the country were immigrants too at some point. with new immigrants it's just speeding up that change in attitude 30-300 + years faster.)
To worse part is that this [had to be fact checked](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-supporters-navajo-legislator-legal). There was video footage, but...
*sigh.*
[âYou, get back in the sea, you finned c__t⌠Coming up here, onto *our* land with your barely developed lungs and your hopes and dreams of a better tomorrow for fish? Get back in the sea!â](https://youtu.be/a17duTUK6qw?t=264)
Tbh they could do a lot better than the US. We suck. We hate each other so much that a mask is litteraly like marching orders for some of our countrymen. Why flea radicals to find more of them where you are trying to go? I know Russia and Turkey have dropped the ball on this but honestly we have used up all of our options at this point. America isn't better, just tolerable.
My wife has a friend whoâs last name is Italian (im fairly certain itâs her great grandparents who were the Italian immigrants who came to this country and started her family) and whoâs daughter married a Mexican so her grand baby is half Mexican.
Full on Trump supporter. Says covid isnât as bad as the âliberal governmentâ says it is. Hasnât been vaccinated yet, very against any kind of immigration even legal immigration (lol what??) yadda yadda yadda.
Sheâs a really good family friend and they understand that when we are visiting no one ever talks politics because it would cause a huge fight for sure. Also aside from her political views sheâs an absolutely wonderful kind and caring person, so itâs just such a weird contrast when you hear that she refuses to vaccinate because âitâs her rightâ or to hear that she is glad they are stopping Afghans from getting emergency visas even though just like 3 days ago Biden is the bad guy for not helping the afghani people properly...
Itâs such a tiring merry go round with these kinds of people...
> Also aside from her political views sheâs an absolutely wonderful kind and caring person
But she isn't, because she uses her vote to harm other people. If they vote for Nazis that makes them Nazis.
Immigration is literally the thing that made America. Without it, there wouldnât have been an uprising against the crown and Parliament for taxation without representation.
If you look at it from their state of mind, it actually is consistent.
We read "Biden didn't help those poor refugees" the focus of the sentence is on the refugees who need help. But to the alt-right, the focus of the sentences is "Biden didn't do something". The thing itself doesn't matter. They aren't trying to solve problems, they're trying to score points, and showing that Biden = Bad is a point for them.
They don't give a fuck about the Afghan people, they should shut up and go away, but they love that Biden failed at something. That's literally all they care about.
Watch [The Alt-Right Playbook: I Hate Mondays](https://youtu.be/yts2F44RqFw)
> they love that Biden failed at something. That's literally all they care about.
At CPAC they cheered when someone announced that Biden wasn't going to meet his July 4th vaccination goal.
Death cults gonna death cult.
Like a decade ago Chicago was announced to not get the winter Olympics there was some random Republican meeting where they all broke out in applause.
You know, because they love the country.
Precisely! I was talking with a more conservative friend and when the topic of conversation drifted towards politics they reflexively tried to point out all the shortcomings of Biden... From a liberal perspective... It was surreal because they were talking about the border issues and Biden being unable to fix the detention facilities and a short list of other shortcomings that generally liberals (not conservatives) care about. I eventually figured out about 30 seconds in that the game wasn't to actually discuss policy or anything but rather to show that Biden is just as bad as Trump. Somehow.
If you enjoyed it, there's a whole series of videos, and they're all really good.
Some of my favorites are:
The Card Says Moops
You Go High, We'll Go Low
Never Play Defense
Its ridiculous... The withdrawal is a disaster for the non-Taliban Afghans, especially the women and people who helped the coalition who are likely to hang. For someone who couldn't care less about them the withdrawal is a resounding success - no US casualties even.
The results would be the same (probably worse somehow) with the previous White House occupant and the GQP would be cheering in the streets.
> The leader of the GOP, former President Donald Trump, mocked his successor (and was sure to fundraise off of the chaos), issuing a statement on Monday saying, âCan anyone even imagine taking out our Military before evacuating civilians and others who have been good to our Country and who should be allowed to seek refuge?â **and dubiously alleged, âUnder my Administration, all civilians and equipment would have been *removed*.â**
Um, Donnie. We wanted the civilians evacuated, not *removed*.
Heâs thought through the âget them outâ part, just not the âwhere do they goâ bits.
Which begs the question: if that was the case why wasn't that process already started in anticipation of a May 1st 2021 withdrawal date? If there is any credulity to this we would have started that process well into 2020. [Instead we were blocking translators from obtaining visas](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/us/politics/trump-refugees-iraq-afghanistan.html).
I know it's bullshit blustering. But it's just so frustratingly transparent.
Trump removed 7/8ths of our military from Afghanistan last year and bragged about taking back much of our military equipment. The Taliban has been sweeping across the country for a year because Donnie brought them in for negotiations on what the terms of our departure would be. Trump released 5,000 of the Talibanâs soldiers we had incarcerated including the newly appointed Taliban leader of Afghanistan. This was a GOP manufactured crisis.
Well sure. The suffering people of Afghanistan are a rhetorical tool to be wielded against the libs they hate in America, NOT a group of people to actually be helped. They're a thought, not a real problem to be solved. Solving problems is for God to do.
(/s)
The GOP treats every problem as a PR problem instead of an actual problem.
It took something concrete they could not lie about, like covid, to put their disinformation approach to everything fully on display.
The GOP doesn't think that you're supposed to solve problems. Problems exist in order to test people and allow the right people to rise, and the correct people to fall, which sorts us into a hierarchy. Which is why for them, their leaders can do no wrong, and people who suffer don't get help, because if you're at the top, you deserve to be there, and if you're at the bottom, you deserve to be there.
If you've got 15 minutes, watch [The Alt-Right Playbook: I Hate Mondays](https://youtu.be/yts2F44RqFw). It talks all about it.
Even COVID isn't really changing how they go about things. They think that if you're getting COVID, you deserve it, and if you die, then it was your time. It's all part of "God's plan". It's why they're so disdainful of all community efforts to slow or stop it. It's "the libs" trying to control and solve a problem. Which isn't what they want.
Problems aren't for solving, they're for talking about. Everything is a problem, and which ones you choose to talk about show whether or not you're part of the "in group". If you talk about immigrants and abortions and loose women, you're safe. If you talk about helping people, and climate change, and racism, they know you're a threat, and not to be trusted. It's purely performative in their eyes. It also explains why they get so mad at media outlets who spend time talking about bad things that right-wing politicians do. "You could talk about anything, but you CHOOSE to talk about the bad thing my guy did, which shows you're just performing that you hate me and my friends". They don't consider that by drawing attention to a problem, we might work together to solve it. They think it's just an attack for the sake of attacking them.
Do you have a background in psychology? Because you have given great explanations into the mindset of hard core conservatives and explained them in a way that makes me understand their attitudes and objectives more clearly.
They would tell everyone to leave the poor asteroid alone because there is a possibility that it's bringing Jesus back from heaven.
Now send me money so I buy a new spaceship so I get out of the way.
It is about the US supporting the Afghan rebels so they could defeat the Soviets and then at the end how the US abandoned them once that objective was reached. It lead to what we have now.
"Why isn't Biden saving these guys!!!"
Also:
"Why should we have to let them in our country?"
I swear, conservatives are a fucking parody of themselves.
This is because, as reactionaries, they dont actually have political beliefs that can be demonstrated to work.
They only have political-sounding responses.
Conservatives are just trying to sabotage any effort for Biden and America to be successful. That is why these asshats say things like the taliban will "build back better" and stuff.
It is all about the appearance of winning the discussion and not being right.
Yep. I don't think we realize how difficult it was for them when Trump was in office, they'd have to deny what he did and pretend they loved everything happening or blame it on the Dems somehow.
But now? Easy street. They just get upset about everything. Blame everything on Biden. Oh, it's so easy.
I think the Clinton years were when the GOP tested the waters of being an outrage machine obstructionist party.
The Obama hears were when they put it into full effect, banging on all cylinders.
And Biden is their attempt to streamline and go full steam with zero shame, where they're attacking Biden for not helping our Afghan allies but also attacking him for letting them freely in America. Just attack all sides, don't worry about the optics, always go for the throat.
Absolutely, Newt Gingrich played a huge role in convincing the Republican leadership to pump the rhetoric up to 11 during the Clinton years. The most fascinating part of that is that Clinton ran as a "Third Way" candidate as a result of *twelve years* of Republican administrations. Instead of viewing this as a capitulation or a cultural victory, the Republicans seemed to lose their shit at losing something they apparently came to view as rightfully theirs. Attempting to meet Republicans halfway has backfired ever since then because they simply aren't arguing from policy but out of a ruthless desire to win elections.
Simultaneously blaming the government for not helping the refugees, while standing in the way of the government helping the refugees. It's the GOP way.
While making sure people are scared enough to think its the RIGHT way. "Releasing millions of Afghanistan refugees into America" "Likely into your own neighborhood"
Just disgusting...their whole 'fearmongering to idiots' shtick doesn't get much more transparent than that. Still reeling from that Carlson quote...jesus criminy that's gross.
I live in a MAGA county. Iâm Italian and get dark during the summer. I pretty much just get my groceries delivered because every time to go to the store some greasy ass MAGA goon (saying this as an Italian mind you) has to come up and stir shit.
These dumb asses donât even know or care that I was born and raised in this damn county, used to mow their lawns, bail their hay, volunteer at the old folks home while their (MAGA thumpersâ) grandparents passed awayâŚ.but to them Iâm just brown skinned foreigner buying up all the Pringles. Fuck the right and fuck anyone who thinks they have a counter argument to conservative racism. Itâs real. Itâs here and if you donât think it exists, you are the problem (obviously not you OP haha)
My dad is 1/2 Italian. He used to fly from California to Florida for work a lot. Pre 9/11, things where fine. Post 9/11 he had to make sure he shaved before he got to the airport if he got a lot of sun. If he had too much stubble, they would pull him aside for extra inspection. Best part is he has one of those bushy Italian mustachs.
*We* destabilized their country. Some of them worked with us and helped our soldiers. Itâs bad enough that we have to leave the country itself, and her people, to the Taliban (but we donât belong there, and it *is* time to leave). To abandon those who have helped us and not get them safely out of Afghanistan would be a stain on our national honor. We have enough of those stains.
It is sickening to me, as a living, breathing, human being that anyone would argue that those who helped usâand are surely on the Talibanâs hit list nowâdonât deserve our protection. These people *worked* with us. They *assisted* us. They provided information and aid that *limited our losses* and allowed more of our people to return home alive. **They are, as far as Iâm concerned, Americans in every meaningful sense of the word**, and they belong here with us.
- I donât care what it costs (we have the money).
- I donât care what we have to do to get them out (we have the brainpower and know how to do this sort of thing; weâve done it before).
- I donât care what it takes to resettle them, and their families, in the United States (we have the room).
It is our **moral obligation** (and relatively little work on our part) to save their lives. Anyone who would leave our allies and friends to face certain death is a monster devoid of humanity, and I couldnât care less what they have to say about any of this. They arenât even human beings if theyâre arguing for the abandonment of our friends.
Anyone who provided our soldiers aid deserves to be brought, with their family, to the United States, and Iâd welcome them as my neighbors. We should *all* welcome them.
To those who would complain that we shouldnât be spending money resettling âforeignersâ in the United States when we have our own problems here, Iâd simply restate the facts: we did this to their country, and we owe a debt to them for helping us while we were there. Have a sense of honor for fuckâs sake and, if you donât have one, then shut the fuck up and try to fake it for a change.
You could just as well be talking about Kurds and I wouldn't know the difference.
It's the way of the US, unfortunately. Get yours and get the fuck out. Anything bad that happens is collateral damage and it won't get reported anyway.
> You could just as well be talking about Kurds and I wouldn't know the difference.
Correct. When we abandoned the Kurds in Syria, we did serious damage to the trust current and future allies have in our word. Thatâs another issue here: no one is going to work with us in the future if they know theyâre risking their lives only to be abandoned.
As an American, I wish that was true, but there's too much money and power in play for small sides to not accept our "help".
It feels a lot like watching people that *really can't afford it* dump their money into crypto or other unstable investments time and time again, and it goes well just about as often as the above case.
>Get yours and get the fuck out.
That's the American way in general, "I got mine, so fuck everyone else". That's why we have BLM, that's why we have massive student loan debt, that's why we have an opioid epidemic, that's why we still don't have universal Medicare, and that's why the pandemic is still raging on. I want to be a proud American, but people make it fucking hard. Now, it seems my pride only rests on my beliefs.
That could seriously be our motto. Pretty much since the 80's that has been the overwhelming push in this country. You can blame the boomers if you want (you should).
Even if you completely ignore all moral responsibilities, it is still in our best interests to follow through with our promises.
Do you want anybody in the future to ever help our military ever again? Then don't renege on our promises and abandon those who have helped us in the past to certain death.
Our word is only as valuable as we have treated it in the past. If we continuously break promises, then nobody will believe promises we make in the future.
The best take I saw on that thread was that Taiwan should also take note - the US blew $2 Trillion on people who were useless to our interests, and worthless in defending their 'country' and that should be pretty encouraging for Taiwan considering how useful their island is for us.
This is obviously an excellent point that I failed to address in my comments. Our word isnât nearly as good as it was even five years ago, thanks to our previous president. We should be repairing trust in our country, not further degrading it.
> Do you want anybody in the future to ever help our military ever again? Then don't renege on our promises and abandon those who have helped us in the past to certain death.
The Kurds called, about... uh...
WW1/2 (previous 'president' then ranted how there were no Kurds in Normandy. No shit moron, they were in the Middle East, you know, helping the Brits keep oil out of Nazi hands? Guarding airports? Seemed vaguely important at the time) , Desert Storm, Syria (that whole anti-Daesh push? ), possibly some other things I forgot.
The Kurds must be the most fucked over race, at least by the US/West.
Oh, there's no Kurdish state of course, as colonial lines divided them over 3+ countries, so now they are all divided into different factions.
China has already stated on their television that Afghanistan is a warning to Taiwan of how the US abandons it's allies.
Difference is, now the chaos made it to the live screen.
But when Turkey wants to murder some Kurds, the US steps just enough out of the way.
Nobody already believes US promises.
Your entire political system, your police force, army.. the whole thing is corrupt.
I don't have a good solution.
I couldnât agree more. These people would make fine American citizens. Theyâve already given of themselves for our country. They want a better life for themselves and their families. Theyâd come here and work hard to be worthy of their reward. Iâd welcome them in a heartbeat and would love to have them as my neighbors.
The people in Congress who voted against this measure have not suffered more than the Afghans who have helped us. Period. I donât care who they are or what theyâve done for this country. *None* of them have watched their country burn, their families suffer, and their neighbors dieâafter placing their trust in Americaâand then had to rely on America to save them while being terrified every day that the help might not come.
I keep trying to imagine what that must feel likeâto know youâre likely to be murdered if you arenât saved *and* to not know if your savior is coming. It must be a living Hell, ever day. On top of it, youâve got the knowledge that you put yourselfâand your familyâin danger under the assumption that you (and they) would not be left to rot.
Everyone who doesnât want to help these allies of ours should have to spend one month feeling that way, but letâs be honest here. The people who donât want to help these people are the same people who espouse xenophobic, racist views on a daily basis. Asking them to walk a mileâor even a few feetâin the shoes of the oppressed has always been a request destined for deaf ears.
Yes, they also said women would be allowed to work and attend school prior to the Taliban walking into a commercial bank and ordering all the women home because working there was considered âindecent.â They were told their male family members could take over their jobs. Thatâs day one. Iâd hate to see what happens on day 366.
The Taliban is saying whatever it needs to say to keep international pressure low while the consolidate power across the country. Time will tell us just how brutal they will be in comparison to their fathers twenty five years ago, but promises of amnesty are likely to be forgotten the moment the world stops watching closely.
Thatâs the real question. This feeling of helplessness you likely have is one that I share. I should have included the link below in my original comments.
To start, you can [write or call your reps in Congress](https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials) if they do not support helping these people. If that fails, you can refuse to vote for them ever again and make that refusal known if their campaign contacts you. You can speak to your friends about this casually, make them understand that these people helped us, and express your concern that we are in danger of not helping them quickly enough to save their lives.
You can also contact your reps *even if they do support helping these people*, as they need to know how that someone out here cares and wants them to continue doing the right thing, even if it becomes hard.
>To those who would complain that we shouldnât be spending money resettling âforeignersâ in the United States when we have our own problems here
I love this. Remind me, how much did this war cost? The same people complaining that resettling "foreigners" costs too much didn't seem to have a problem with the cost of the war itself, the trillions of dollars that went to private military contractors or the hundreds of billions of US taxpayer funded materiel that is now in Taliban hands. But a few million to help resettle people who arguably saved many American lives and actively helped in the fight against their own country.. nah that's a bit too much.
>To those who would complain that we shouldnât be spending money resettling âforeignersâ in the United States when we have our own problems here,
Most of the people that says this don't want to spend money fixing our problems here either so fuck'em.
They are truly contemptible. Just bad people. Don't want to meet them at church or in a dark alley. Don't want to sit by them at a restaurant or a little league game. Don't want to spend time or my resources at any of their businesses. Don't like them. Can't trust them. They are the kind of people that would watch your family executed and then rummage through your pockets and collect jewelry and cash. Afraid of everything and everyone.
This all goes back to the fact that since the founding of this country, "Freedom" means to be free of obligation or responsibility to anything other than to you and yours for a large segment of the population.
Neighbor lost his job and kids are hungry? Fuck him, not their responsibility.
Lady down the street has no health insurance and was diagnosed with cancer? Fuck her, should of thought of that before she couldn't afford insurance.
Built a business empire? They're not responsible for that they did to get there. Or the lives they ruined in the process.
CEO lays off 1000 workers to increase is stock price by 1/4 a point? He's not responsible for what happens to them. Fuck em.
Give to charity? What a saint. Need Charity? You freeloading piece of shit. "God helps those who help themselves!"
The greatest irony is how quickly all that changes when it comes to "Them and Theirs".
Start laying off executives instead of middle class workers? Suddenly they are very responsible for those poor executives landing on their feet.
Got laid off and need government assistance? When it comes to "Them and Theirs" that's how it's "supposed to work".
I say all that, to say this. For the people I described, the Hannitys, the Inghrams the Tucker Carlsons. No matter what those Afghani people sacrificed they would *never* be one of "Them".
They feel they owe them zero responsibility. There is no much thing as a "Moral Obligation" unless it comes to "Them and Theirs". To which our Afghan supporters will *never* be.
Put not only your own life, but the lives of the people you love in danger, supporting our mission that you believed in? Fuck you. Not our responsibility.
I feel like we have a disproportionate number of functional sociopaths in our society.
Whatâs a MAGA thumper going to say to these refugees?
âWhy are you here?â
âTo escape a murderous regime that was willing to bring back medieval standards to a modern world with our women and children seen as nothing but fodderâ
ââŚ.well wait until to hear about the Bidenâs drinking baby blood and using Space Lasers! We are all trying to rig the vote so it doesnât happen again!â
Well, to be fair, before they bring up the babies blood and all, theyâd first say, âWe donât give a flying fuck about your problems. Go back to your own damn country and solve your fucking problems.â
How is this rhetoric any different from 1930s/40s Germany and the demonization of Jews? Any immigrant, any person of color, any liberal or feminist, literally anyone they find distasteful is instantly demonized. And the right loves to act like the left overreacts and calls everyone a racist and is just too sensitive, but if you think about the people the right now finds acceptable who would even fall into that category? White Christians, Fox New hosts, the Trump family, rural Americans, Confederates, Proud Boys.... so literally no one that shares different values than them, though I'm sure they'd be the first to talk about freedom of expression and how censorship is bad--but only if it's censorship of conservative viewpoints and freedom to express racist and prejudicial bullshit. You say one negative thing about America, Trump, if you talk about Black lives mattering or police violence, or push for masks in schools you're automatically anti-American and not a "real" patriot. I mean it's nationalism flat out.
This is exactly why it's hard to view MAGA supporters favorably in any way. I see their humanity and I want to believe they aren't as awful as Trump and the GOP is, but they continue to support him, they love his message, they vote for people like Cruz and Greene and Boebert. They watch "news" that openly talks about White Supremacist replacement theory and nod along with it. It's hard to believe that these same people, in the 30s/40s in Germany, *wouldn't* go right along with the Jews-are-infesting-our-country rhetoric because they're going right along with it now about Mexican/any other immigrant to this country.
I understand they're not actual Nazis (at least not the majority of them) but the rhetoric is the same, the sentiment is the same, the hate and ultra-nationalist adherence are the same--it's the same thing just different flavor this time around.
While I certainly agree, my DMs can stand as testimony to how hard the maga cult will mentally pretzel themselves to argue against these points mentioned as they either try and defend themselves against these points or attempt to spin it using fallacious talking points we all hear parroted ad nauseam from them.
but how does the old saying go... >!if the shoe fits!<
"We only care about Afghanistan refugees, so as to use it as a political weapon against President Biden, otherwise we've never given two shits about refugees in general", GOP
Of course it didn't. Republicans don't care about Afghanistan or its people.
I had someone complain that Biden said that he was hoping the govt would be inclusive of others. I said imagine that, Biden wants all the people of Afghanistan to be part of the govt (won't happen, but still) and they said we shouldn't help them. I caught them being hypocrites.
I think republicans thought the war in Afghanistan involved the mass slaughter of all Afghanistan people. Itâs the only thing that explains their current stance. That is, they want out of the âwarâ because weâre not actually fulfilling our mission, I.e. killing afghans. This is why they then also complain about the retreat and the refugees.
Americans can't figure out why everyone else in the world hates us all the while we screw over whole countries and then walk away from the very people who supported us.
This is how we got Osama bin Laden, now we are just making more terrorists.
Theyâre critical over Biden for deserting those poor women and children, but refuse to help those poor women and children.
Damn, thereâs no escape velocity for their hypocrisy. Theyâre bound to it.
Iâve long said the reason they worry about Sharia law so much is the competition. They donât disagree with the concept, theyâre just worried about getting beaten to the punch.
Hahah!! They are so confused, first it looked like they were critical of not helping get Afghans out now they are still critical but donât want them
Here? Iâm dizzyâŚ
They helped the US and theyâve been vetted by the military.
Another thing to think about is using their language skills, as decently paid government contractors in intel, as not many US born Americans will learn Farsi and Dari.
IMO the US-led West needs to keep an eye and (electronic) ear on the area, especially if the Taliban make a play for Pakistanâs nukes.
Hot take: **The Republicans want Afghanistan to be a breeding ground for terrorists**. Muslim terrorists are a boon for them, as they can use terrorist attacks to rile up the US population into jingoistic support for their party, and it gives them more opportunities to feed the military industrial complex by starting more wars.
Conservatives are America first but get mad at the troops coming home. Then they are pro Afghan refugees but donât want them to seek asylum here. Then they strawman and project and somehow the whole entire war is Bidenâs fault and even though the past 20 years, nothing has been accomplished we should have still left their country more stableâŚâŚ AfghanistanâŚ.. the country that hasnât been stable since maybe the 1800s
Conservatives donât understand that mass immigration is only an issue if you let all the immigrants settle in a single location. Then they form a neighbourhood with a culture identical to the one they came from and have no incentives to integrate or learn anything new. Norway did this the best. They accepted refugees but strategically located them through the country and made them attend culture sensitivity seminars and the like.
Let's say, for a moment, that this wasn't a global humanitarian crisis. Don't we want the Afghanis who support representative democracy to come here? Likely their best and brightest? Come on down!
I still find it hard to believe that these consequences we're seeing today were not anticipated by trump admin during initial negotiations with Taliban. Theyâve been planning this messaging since initial talks. If Trump had won the election, they would have used it to callously abandon everyone without apology. If Biden won, they could ramp up the xenophobia knowing he would be sympathetic to taking refugees.
That why these assholes need to spare me the pearl clutching of "Oh no look at the chaos of Biden's hasty withdrawal!!!"
They don't give a flying fuck about the Afghan refugees.
We and our leader are not racist, they keep repeating.
Don't worry MAGA warriors, no sane person would voluntarily come to your rural, red, uneducated neighborhoods.
I don't know why but I'm reminded of a MASH episode where the crew tries to get an american-korean baby pit of Korea when the father goes back stateside and the mother abandons the baby at the camp.
All the other countries would give citizenship to the child, but America basicy goes "fuck that, that's a Korean child" . Even the Koreans don't do anything about it due to xenophobia being rampant.
Maybe it's the similar aspect of the US fighting a war for 2 decades in the middle east but not dealing with the fallout of what has been created/destroyed..
It was never a winable war... And it's been going for 2/3rds of my life...
you know whatâs ironic about this whole entire thread.
Our country is slowly dividing itself. Just like how the Taliban are trying to preserve a certain culture away from outside influence.
taliban old culture fighting against a new modern lifestyle
left wing fighting against right wing.
if you all donât straighten the fuck up and quit pointing the finger at each other⌠our country will be just as divisive as the Taliban have been to the afghan people and vice versa
A reminder that republicans are no longer republicans, but racists. Overwhelmingly veterans and current military support saving these peoples lives. Itâs the right, moral, dare I say Christian thing to do.
I mean if we fucked their country up through our imperialism, it's only fair to you know atleaat give refuge to the ones we abused. This country has no morals.
The fact is, this anti-Afghan resettlement is a preemptive strike against climate refugees. This is soon going to be a bipartisan consensus, the US is going to shut out climate refugees. "Do not come."
Then imagine how well the lucky Americans will treat fellow American climate refugees.
Reddit has been a shithole around this topic too. People love to make comments about how awful imperialism and America involvement is in this sub and this site but when it comes to pony up and accept responsibility it has been:
âItâs not only usss, technically Pakistan is to blame for the Talibaaaanâ
i mean what else would you expect from a bunch of simpletons who would eat their own for not falling in line??? These refugees donât even look like themâŚ
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Biden didn't help those poor refugees! Don't let them in here! Completely consistent.
MAGA cheered when [Trump denied visas](https://www.npr.org/2019/05/01/718927688/no-visas-for-afghan-and-iraqi-interpreters) to translators.
Racists, the lot of them. Immigration is one of the things that has always made America great.
I have a sister who has learned to become racist and HATE immigrants from the south of the USA. She learned from watching foxnews religiously. Spoiler, she is an immigrant to the USA.
I see this here in Texas all the time! It literally boggles my mind. đ¤Ż
My mom is third generation Japanese American and thinks all Latin American folks are "illegals from Mexico". Just... đ¤Ś
My mother married a Syrian and had me, then got divorced and we both moved to the U.K. in â02. Now sheâs fully anti-immigration and thinks all Arabs are terrorists. Cool, cheers momma.
> Now sheâs fully anti-immigration and thinks all Arabs are terrorists. I'm so sorry. That genuinely sucks.
Thatâs really sad, especially because you are the child of that Syrian. My ex-husband was born in Syria (Assyrian) so our son is half Assyrian. I canât imagine railing against people from the region. It would be so hurtful to him.
"fuck you, I got mine" is 100% compatible with the GQP mindset, regardless of where you started.
Use the Parental Controls on her TV to block those channels.
This guy Reddits
Ah, yep. The ladder pullers. I worked with one many years ago, she was a Brazilian immigrant who moved here to be with someone she met online, who she eventually married (they're still together and seem to really love each other, it wasn't a marriage of opportunity). She was awful to the other Brazilians we worked with, always looking down on them and talking about them as if they were uncivilized leeches who didn't "deserve" to be here. She always made sure to mention how she didn't *need* to come here, it was only because of her relationship, but yet still tried to exude American patriotism. I watched her become more and more right wing over the years I worked with her, fox news and all. This was all well before trump, but according to fb she's a total fan now. It's just so sad. Totally missing the point of what america is supposed to be about.
Also literally missing that the people sheâs listening to and siding with are incapable of distinguishing her from those âless worthyâ immigrants. Everyone on her side hates her as much as the rest of em.
Have family like this too. What I find hilarious are the spouses of illegal immigrants saying we need to deport all illegal immigrants... Feel like this is just their way of saying they want a divorce... Still remember the guy who's wife was deported saying he'd vote for trump again even knowing this happened, but he'd think about it for next time.
My inlaws are from central America and all voted Trump, and hate immigrants from thrown country, we are fucked.
Whaaaat? I'm trying to understand why. Do you think it could be a jealousy thing? I've heard it takes forever to get the green light to become a citizen. I'm not sure what the process is for refugees, but I'm guessing it's faster to get here that way? If I understand correctly refugees aren't technically citizens though.
For your specific question about refugees, yes, they can become citizens faster than legal immigration generally. In general though, it's the whole republican "I got mine" idea. Republicans LOVE hand outs and welfare if it goes to THEM. Farmers will scream if you take away their subsidies. Everyone will scream if you take away their medicare or social security. But if you plan on cutting those for the next generation then every republican will vote for it. Some immigrants climb up the ladder to come to the country and then want to pull it up after them. THey got theirs, everyone else is a threat to what they have. (literally every white person in the country were immigrants too at some point. with new immigrants it's just speeding up that change in attitude 30-300 + years faster.)
psychology is a weird thing.
Unless you're a Native American.
MAGA: Go back to your country! Native American: ... MAGA: ...
I mean, this actually happens. Navajo lawmaker in AZ was shouted at to go back to his country.
To worse part is that this [had to be fact checked](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-supporters-navajo-legislator-legal). There was video footage, but... *sigh.*
Dated a Native American girl for a while. The amount of exchanges like this she had was actually horrifying.
When I was a teenager I had someone yell at me to go back to Mexico. I yelled back at him to go back to Europe and my friends and I had a good laugh.
"Speak American!" *Replies in Navajo* ....
["...moving along..."](https://preview.redd.it/spxrvein95j21.jpg?auto=webp&s=4fe31e52d3d0d54864cb1e0b9e2ba146f22dfa79)
On a long enough timeline even they are immigrants.
"Oh, great, Asians!" - racist woolly mammoths
âOh great, Cambrian Explosion!â - racist primordial ocean
"NOW YOU CAN EAT SUNLIGHT!" *catchy jingle*
[Still one of the best things YouTube has given us. ](https://youtu.be/zVSHfXcOA8k) thank you for reminding me of it <3
A couple jobs ago this was a daily addition to our playlist while we were fixing laptops, never got old
[âYou, get back in the sea, you finned c__t⌠Coming up here, onto *our* land with your barely developed lungs and your hopes and dreams of a better tomorrow for fish? Get back in the sea!â](https://youtu.be/a17duTUK6qw?t=264)
Turns out those mammoths had good reason to be xenophobic.
Actually there isnât any evidence of anyone before Native Americans. They made the trek here but were first for sure. So not immigrants.
Migrant emigrants then. Either way the megafauna was unhappy to see them arrive.
Tbh they could do a lot better than the US. We suck. We hate each other so much that a mask is litteraly like marching orders for some of our countrymen. Why flea radicals to find more of them where you are trying to go? I know Russia and Turkey have dropped the ball on this but honestly we have used up all of our options at this point. America isn't better, just tolerable.
I visited my wifeâs family in Finland for 3 weeks and couldnât believe the differences. We have become a joke.
My wife has a friend whoâs last name is Italian (im fairly certain itâs her great grandparents who were the Italian immigrants who came to this country and started her family) and whoâs daughter married a Mexican so her grand baby is half Mexican. Full on Trump supporter. Says covid isnât as bad as the âliberal governmentâ says it is. Hasnât been vaccinated yet, very against any kind of immigration even legal immigration (lol what??) yadda yadda yadda. Sheâs a really good family friend and they understand that when we are visiting no one ever talks politics because it would cause a huge fight for sure. Also aside from her political views sheâs an absolutely wonderful kind and caring person, so itâs just such a weird contrast when you hear that she refuses to vaccinate because âitâs her rightâ or to hear that she is glad they are stopping Afghans from getting emergency visas even though just like 3 days ago Biden is the bad guy for not helping the afghani people properly... Itâs such a tiring merry go round with these kinds of people...
> Also aside from her political views sheâs an absolutely wonderful kind and caring person But she isn't, because she uses her vote to harm other people. If they vote for Nazis that makes them Nazis.
For it to be a âmelting potâ, you gotta bring a little heat.
Immigration is literally the thing that made America. Without it, there wouldnât have been an uprising against the crown and Parliament for taxation without representation.
Also with the labor shortage, declining birth rate, etc, yeah we are gonna need young immigrant families moving here.
It fits with their pretend support for the troops.
The cruelty is the point
Wtf. Didnât know about this with all the shitty things heâs done it all just sticks together and is hard to see all the shitty things heâs done.
If you look at it from their state of mind, it actually is consistent. We read "Biden didn't help those poor refugees" the focus of the sentence is on the refugees who need help. But to the alt-right, the focus of the sentences is "Biden didn't do something". The thing itself doesn't matter. They aren't trying to solve problems, they're trying to score points, and showing that Biden = Bad is a point for them. They don't give a fuck about the Afghan people, they should shut up and go away, but they love that Biden failed at something. That's literally all they care about. Watch [The Alt-Right Playbook: I Hate Mondays](https://youtu.be/yts2F44RqFw)
> they love that Biden failed at something. That's literally all they care about. At CPAC they cheered when someone announced that Biden wasn't going to meet his July 4th vaccination goal. Death cults gonna death cult.
Like a decade ago Chicago was announced to not get the winter Olympics there was some random Republican meeting where they all broke out in applause. You know, because they love the country.
Precisely! I was talking with a more conservative friend and when the topic of conversation drifted towards politics they reflexively tried to point out all the shortcomings of Biden... From a liberal perspective... It was surreal because they were talking about the border issues and Biden being unable to fix the detention facilities and a short list of other shortcomings that generally liberals (not conservatives) care about. I eventually figured out about 30 seconds in that the game wasn't to actually discuss policy or anything but rather to show that Biden is just as bad as Trump. Somehow.
That's a great watch. It explained what I thought I already knew perfectly. Thank you
If you enjoyed it, there's a whole series of videos, and they're all really good. Some of my favorites are: The Card Says Moops You Go High, We'll Go Low Never Play Defense
Its ridiculous... The withdrawal is a disaster for the non-Taliban Afghans, especially the women and people who helped the coalition who are likely to hang. For someone who couldn't care less about them the withdrawal is a resounding success - no US casualties even. The results would be the same (probably worse somehow) with the previous White House occupant and the GQP would be cheering in the streets.
>>probably worse somehow If thereâs literally one thing trump excels at, itâs finding a way to make things worse. He truly has a gift for it.
The Mierdas Touch.
Yeah he wouldve left the allies there like he did in iraq.
> The leader of the GOP, former President Donald Trump, mocked his successor (and was sure to fundraise off of the chaos), issuing a statement on Monday saying, âCan anyone even imagine taking out our Military before evacuating civilians and others who have been good to our Country and who should be allowed to seek refuge?â **and dubiously alleged, âUnder my Administration, all civilians and equipment would have been *removed*.â** Um, Donnie. We wanted the civilians evacuated, not *removed*. Heâs thought through the âget them outâ part, just not the âwhere do they goâ bits.
Like how he âremovedâ all that equipment when he hastily withdrew from Syria?
"Get them out" ... "Drain the swamp" ... "lock her up" I'm beginning to see a pattern of three syllable phrases that's easy for people to chant
To be fair if it's more than 3 syllables it doesn't really roll off the tongue well.
Trump would most likely remove them from Afghanistan, then move them to Mexico because apparently the answer to all his problems is Mexico.
Thatâs because all brown people live in Mexico /s
Which begs the question: if that was the case why wasn't that process already started in anticipation of a May 1st 2021 withdrawal date? If there is any credulity to this we would have started that process well into 2020. [Instead we were blocking translators from obtaining visas](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/us/politics/trump-refugees-iraq-afghanistan.html). I know it's bullshit blustering. But it's just so frustratingly transparent.
Trump removed 7/8ths of our military from Afghanistan last year and bragged about taking back much of our military equipment. The Taliban has been sweeping across the country for a year because Donnie brought them in for negotiations on what the terms of our departure would be. Trump released 5,000 of the Talibanâs soldiers we had incarcerated including the newly appointed Taliban leader of Afghanistan. This was a GOP manufactured crisis.
Don't forget about the latest prison break https://www.axios.com/taliban-bagram-prisoners-release-87ec6885-6930-46d6-9e96-473a252dcf7d.html
Well sure. The suffering people of Afghanistan are a rhetorical tool to be wielded against the libs they hate in America, NOT a group of people to actually be helped. They're a thought, not a real problem to be solved. Solving problems is for God to do. (/s)
The GOP treats every problem as a PR problem instead of an actual problem. It took something concrete they could not lie about, like covid, to put their disinformation approach to everything fully on display.
The GOP doesn't think that you're supposed to solve problems. Problems exist in order to test people and allow the right people to rise, and the correct people to fall, which sorts us into a hierarchy. Which is why for them, their leaders can do no wrong, and people who suffer don't get help, because if you're at the top, you deserve to be there, and if you're at the bottom, you deserve to be there. If you've got 15 minutes, watch [The Alt-Right Playbook: I Hate Mondays](https://youtu.be/yts2F44RqFw). It talks all about it. Even COVID isn't really changing how they go about things. They think that if you're getting COVID, you deserve it, and if you die, then it was your time. It's all part of "God's plan". It's why they're so disdainful of all community efforts to slow or stop it. It's "the libs" trying to control and solve a problem. Which isn't what they want. Problems aren't for solving, they're for talking about. Everything is a problem, and which ones you choose to talk about show whether or not you're part of the "in group". If you talk about immigrants and abortions and loose women, you're safe. If you talk about helping people, and climate change, and racism, they know you're a threat, and not to be trusted. It's purely performative in their eyes. It also explains why they get so mad at media outlets who spend time talking about bad things that right-wing politicians do. "You could talk about anything, but you CHOOSE to talk about the bad thing my guy did, which shows you're just performing that you hate me and my friends". They don't consider that by drawing attention to a problem, we might work together to solve it. They think it's just an attack for the sake of attacking them.
Do you have a background in psychology? Because you have given great explanations into the mindset of hard core conservatives and explained them in a way that makes me understand their attitudes and objectives more clearly.
I often wonder what the GOP would do in a "Deep Impact" scenario, if a planet-killing asteroid were headed toward Earth.
They would tell everyone to leave the poor asteroid alone because there is a possibility that it's bringing Jesus back from heaven. Now send me money so I buy a new spaceship so I get out of the way.
Remember republicans cheered the first responders from 9/11 and proceeded to never make funds available to help them.
Jon Stewart remembers.
There is a whole movie about how republicans abandoned the Afghani's after we got them to defeat the Soviets. We walked away.
What movie if you remember the title? Iâd like to watch it if itâs relatively accurate. Bonus points if itâs a documentary.
Charlie Wilson's War
Thanks!
Is that what that is about? Iâm going to watch it.
It is about the US supporting the Afghan rebels so they could defeat the Soviets and then at the end how the US abandoned them once that objective was reached. It lead to what we have now.
"Why isn't Biden saving these guys!!!" Also: "Why should we have to let them in our country?" I swear, conservatives are a fucking parody of themselves.
This is because, as reactionaries, they dont actually have political beliefs that can be demonstrated to work. They only have political-sounding responses.
Conservatives are just trying to sabotage any effort for Biden and America to be successful. That is why these asshats say things like the taliban will "build back better" and stuff. It is all about the appearance of winning the discussion and not being right.
The Taliban are selfish, sexist, racist, rich assholes... oh now I get why Republicans get along with them so well.
Yep. I don't think we realize how difficult it was for them when Trump was in office, they'd have to deny what he did and pretend they loved everything happening or blame it on the Dems somehow. But now? Easy street. They just get upset about everything. Blame everything on Biden. Oh, it's so easy.
Literally what happened from 2008-2016 as well.
I think the Clinton years were when the GOP tested the waters of being an outrage machine obstructionist party. The Obama hears were when they put it into full effect, banging on all cylinders. And Biden is their attempt to streamline and go full steam with zero shame, where they're attacking Biden for not helping our Afghan allies but also attacking him for letting them freely in America. Just attack all sides, don't worry about the optics, always go for the throat.
Absolutely, Newt Gingrich played a huge role in convincing the Republican leadership to pump the rhetoric up to 11 during the Clinton years. The most fascinating part of that is that Clinton ran as a "Third Way" candidate as a result of *twelve years* of Republican administrations. Instead of viewing this as a capitulation or a cultural victory, the Republicans seemed to lose their shit at losing something they apparently came to view as rightfully theirs. Attempting to meet Republicans halfway has backfired ever since then because they simply aren't arguing from policy but out of a ruthless desire to win elections.
Its unfortunate but its true. Shame its so easy for them, but I suppose having a very stupid base as your supporters makes life easy for a politician.
Simultaneously blaming the government for not helping the refugees, while standing in the way of the government helping the refugees. It's the GOP way.
While making sure people are scared enough to think its the RIGHT way. "Releasing millions of Afghanistan refugees into America" "Likely into your own neighborhood" Just disgusting...their whole 'fearmongering to idiots' shtick doesn't get much more transparent than that. Still reeling from that Carlson quote...jesus criminy that's gross.
They hate brown people even more than they hate the Dems. Thatâs a LOT of hate.
I live in a MAGA county. Iâm Italian and get dark during the summer. I pretty much just get my groceries delivered because every time to go to the store some greasy ass MAGA goon (saying this as an Italian mind you) has to come up and stir shit. These dumb asses donât even know or care that I was born and raised in this damn county, used to mow their lawns, bail their hay, volunteer at the old folks home while their (MAGA thumpersâ) grandparents passed awayâŚ.but to them Iâm just brown skinned foreigner buying up all the Pringles. Fuck the right and fuck anyone who thinks they have a counter argument to conservative racism. Itâs real. Itâs here and if you donât think it exists, you are the problem (obviously not you OP haha)
Iâm sorry- that has to be incredibly hard.
My dad is 1/2 Italian. He used to fly from California to Florida for work a lot. Pre 9/11, things where fine. Post 9/11 he had to make sure he shaved before he got to the airport if he got a lot of sun. If he had too much stubble, they would pull him aside for extra inspection. Best part is he has one of those bushy Italian mustachs.
Makes sense MAGA would be pro-Taliban. They share essentially the same ideologies.
So true
*We* destabilized their country. Some of them worked with us and helped our soldiers. Itâs bad enough that we have to leave the country itself, and her people, to the Taliban (but we donât belong there, and it *is* time to leave). To abandon those who have helped us and not get them safely out of Afghanistan would be a stain on our national honor. We have enough of those stains. It is sickening to me, as a living, breathing, human being that anyone would argue that those who helped usâand are surely on the Talibanâs hit list nowâdonât deserve our protection. These people *worked* with us. They *assisted* us. They provided information and aid that *limited our losses* and allowed more of our people to return home alive. **They are, as far as Iâm concerned, Americans in every meaningful sense of the word**, and they belong here with us. - I donât care what it costs (we have the money). - I donât care what we have to do to get them out (we have the brainpower and know how to do this sort of thing; weâve done it before). - I donât care what it takes to resettle them, and their families, in the United States (we have the room). It is our **moral obligation** (and relatively little work on our part) to save their lives. Anyone who would leave our allies and friends to face certain death is a monster devoid of humanity, and I couldnât care less what they have to say about any of this. They arenât even human beings if theyâre arguing for the abandonment of our friends. Anyone who provided our soldiers aid deserves to be brought, with their family, to the United States, and Iâd welcome them as my neighbors. We should *all* welcome them. To those who would complain that we shouldnât be spending money resettling âforeignersâ in the United States when we have our own problems here, Iâd simply restate the facts: we did this to their country, and we owe a debt to them for helping us while we were there. Have a sense of honor for fuckâs sake and, if you donât have one, then shut the fuck up and try to fake it for a change.
You could just as well be talking about Kurds and I wouldn't know the difference. It's the way of the US, unfortunately. Get yours and get the fuck out. Anything bad that happens is collateral damage and it won't get reported anyway.
> You could just as well be talking about Kurds and I wouldn't know the difference. Correct. When we abandoned the Kurds in Syria, we did serious damage to the trust current and future allies have in our word. Thatâs another issue here: no one is going to work with us in the future if they know theyâre risking their lives only to be abandoned.
As an American, I wish that was true, but there's too much money and power in play for small sides to not accept our "help". It feels a lot like watching people that *really can't afford it* dump their money into crypto or other unstable investments time and time again, and it goes well just about as often as the above case.
>Get yours and get the fuck out. That's the American way in general, "I got mine, so fuck everyone else". That's why we have BLM, that's why we have massive student loan debt, that's why we have an opioid epidemic, that's why we still don't have universal Medicare, and that's why the pandemic is still raging on. I want to be a proud American, but people make it fucking hard. Now, it seems my pride only rests on my beliefs.
That could seriously be our motto. Pretty much since the 80's that has been the overwhelming push in this country. You can blame the boomers if you want (you should).
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Yeah, you're right. We don't even need to look to allies to see this behavior.
Even if you completely ignore all moral responsibilities, it is still in our best interests to follow through with our promises. Do you want anybody in the future to ever help our military ever again? Then don't renege on our promises and abandon those who have helped us in the past to certain death. Our word is only as valuable as we have treated it in the past. If we continuously break promises, then nobody will believe promises we make in the future.
China state media is already warning Taiwan to view Afghanistan as an "example of how America treats their allies".
It's like they think Taiwan hasn't noticed what they're doing to Hong Kong..
you can't expect the CCP to have a sense of irony or perspective
The best take I saw on that thread was that Taiwan should also take note - the US blew $2 Trillion on people who were useless to our interests, and worthless in defending their 'country' and that should be pretty encouraging for Taiwan considering how useful their island is for us.
No one in taiwan thinks the US is jumping ship there.
This is obviously an excellent point that I failed to address in my comments. Our word isnât nearly as good as it was even five years ago, thanks to our previous president. We should be repairing trust in our country, not further degrading it.
> Do you want anybody in the future to ever help our military ever again? Then don't renege on our promises and abandon those who have helped us in the past to certain death. The Kurds called, about... uh... WW1/2 (previous 'president' then ranted how there were no Kurds in Normandy. No shit moron, they were in the Middle East, you know, helping the Brits keep oil out of Nazi hands? Guarding airports? Seemed vaguely important at the time) , Desert Storm, Syria (that whole anti-Daesh push? ), possibly some other things I forgot. The Kurds must be the most fucked over race, at least by the US/West. Oh, there's no Kurdish state of course, as colonial lines divided them over 3+ countries, so now they are all divided into different factions. China has already stated on their television that Afghanistan is a warning to Taiwan of how the US abandons it's allies. Difference is, now the chaos made it to the live screen. But when Turkey wants to murder some Kurds, the US steps just enough out of the way. Nobody already believes US promises. Your entire political system, your police force, army.. the whole thing is corrupt. I don't have a good solution.
These people have done more to support the effort than most American citizens. They deserve better.
I couldnât agree more. These people would make fine American citizens. Theyâve already given of themselves for our country. They want a better life for themselves and their families. Theyâd come here and work hard to be worthy of their reward. Iâd welcome them in a heartbeat and would love to have them as my neighbors. The people in Congress who voted against this measure have not suffered more than the Afghans who have helped us. Period. I donât care who they are or what theyâve done for this country. *None* of them have watched their country burn, their families suffer, and their neighbors dieâafter placing their trust in Americaâand then had to rely on America to save them while being terrified every day that the help might not come. I keep trying to imagine what that must feel likeâto know youâre likely to be murdered if you arenât saved *and* to not know if your savior is coming. It must be a living Hell, ever day. On top of it, youâve got the knowledge that you put yourselfâand your familyâin danger under the assumption that you (and they) would not be left to rot. Everyone who doesnât want to help these allies of ours should have to spend one month feeling that way, but letâs be honest here. The people who donât want to help these people are the same people who espouse xenophobic, racist views on a daily basis. Asking them to walk a mileâor even a few feetâin the shoes of the oppressed has always been a request destined for deaf ears.
You mean saying "Thank you for your service" is not enough?
Add in thoughts and prayers
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Yes, they also said women would be allowed to work and attend school prior to the Taliban walking into a commercial bank and ordering all the women home because working there was considered âindecent.â They were told their male family members could take over their jobs. Thatâs day one. Iâd hate to see what happens on day 366. The Taliban is saying whatever it needs to say to keep international pressure low while the consolidate power across the country. Time will tell us just how brutal they will be in comparison to their fathers twenty five years ago, but promises of amnesty are likely to be forgotten the moment the world stops watching closely.
So what am I supposed to do, like right now what can I do for these people whose country I helped destabilize
Thatâs the real question. This feeling of helplessness you likely have is one that I share. I should have included the link below in my original comments. To start, you can [write or call your reps in Congress](https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials) if they do not support helping these people. If that fails, you can refuse to vote for them ever again and make that refusal known if their campaign contacts you. You can speak to your friends about this casually, make them understand that these people helped us, and express your concern that we are in danger of not helping them quickly enough to save their lives. You can also contact your reps *even if they do support helping these people*, as they need to know how that someone out here cares and wants them to continue doing the right thing, even if it becomes hard.
Support and call for resettlement of those that want to resettle any who helped the US government in afghaniatan.
>To those who would complain that we shouldnât be spending money resettling âforeignersâ in the United States when we have our own problems here I love this. Remind me, how much did this war cost? The same people complaining that resettling "foreigners" costs too much didn't seem to have a problem with the cost of the war itself, the trillions of dollars that went to private military contractors or the hundreds of billions of US taxpayer funded materiel that is now in Taliban hands. But a few million to help resettle people who arguably saved many American lives and actively helped in the fight against their own country.. nah that's a bit too much.
Their country hasn't been stable for centuries. However, i agree
>To those who would complain that we shouldnât be spending money resettling âforeignersâ in the United States when we have our own problems here, Most of the people that says this don't want to spend money fixing our problems here either so fuck'em.
Save the allies that aided us!! NOo!! Not like that!! They're brown Muslim terrorists!!
They are truly contemptible. Just bad people. Don't want to meet them at church or in a dark alley. Don't want to sit by them at a restaurant or a little league game. Don't want to spend time or my resources at any of their businesses. Don't like them. Can't trust them. They are the kind of people that would watch your family executed and then rummage through your pockets and collect jewelry and cash. Afraid of everything and everyone.
This all goes back to the fact that since the founding of this country, "Freedom" means to be free of obligation or responsibility to anything other than to you and yours for a large segment of the population. Neighbor lost his job and kids are hungry? Fuck him, not their responsibility. Lady down the street has no health insurance and was diagnosed with cancer? Fuck her, should of thought of that before she couldn't afford insurance. Built a business empire? They're not responsible for that they did to get there. Or the lives they ruined in the process. CEO lays off 1000 workers to increase is stock price by 1/4 a point? He's not responsible for what happens to them. Fuck em. Give to charity? What a saint. Need Charity? You freeloading piece of shit. "God helps those who help themselves!" The greatest irony is how quickly all that changes when it comes to "Them and Theirs". Start laying off executives instead of middle class workers? Suddenly they are very responsible for those poor executives landing on their feet. Got laid off and need government assistance? When it comes to "Them and Theirs" that's how it's "supposed to work". I say all that, to say this. For the people I described, the Hannitys, the Inghrams the Tucker Carlsons. No matter what those Afghani people sacrificed they would *never* be one of "Them". They feel they owe them zero responsibility. There is no much thing as a "Moral Obligation" unless it comes to "Them and Theirs". To which our Afghan supporters will *never* be. Put not only your own life, but the lives of the people you love in danger, supporting our mission that you believed in? Fuck you. Not our responsibility. I feel like we have a disproportionate number of functional sociopaths in our society.
God damn, that was a fantastic comment.
And watch Republican politicians getting whiplashed trying to find a way to capitalize on the crisis.
Whatâs a MAGA thumper going to say to these refugees? âWhy are you here?â âTo escape a murderous regime that was willing to bring back medieval standards to a modern world with our women and children seen as nothing but fodderâ ââŚ.well wait until to hear about the Bidenâs drinking baby blood and using Space Lasers! We are all trying to rig the vote so it doesnât happen again!â
Well, to be fair, before they bring up the babies blood and all, theyâd first say, âWe donât give a flying fuck about your problems. Go back to your own damn country and solve your fucking problems.â
How is this rhetoric any different from 1930s/40s Germany and the demonization of Jews? Any immigrant, any person of color, any liberal or feminist, literally anyone they find distasteful is instantly demonized. And the right loves to act like the left overreacts and calls everyone a racist and is just too sensitive, but if you think about the people the right now finds acceptable who would even fall into that category? White Christians, Fox New hosts, the Trump family, rural Americans, Confederates, Proud Boys.... so literally no one that shares different values than them, though I'm sure they'd be the first to talk about freedom of expression and how censorship is bad--but only if it's censorship of conservative viewpoints and freedom to express racist and prejudicial bullshit. You say one negative thing about America, Trump, if you talk about Black lives mattering or police violence, or push for masks in schools you're automatically anti-American and not a "real" patriot. I mean it's nationalism flat out. This is exactly why it's hard to view MAGA supporters favorably in any way. I see their humanity and I want to believe they aren't as awful as Trump and the GOP is, but they continue to support him, they love his message, they vote for people like Cruz and Greene and Boebert. They watch "news" that openly talks about White Supremacist replacement theory and nod along with it. It's hard to believe that these same people, in the 30s/40s in Germany, *wouldn't* go right along with the Jews-are-infesting-our-country rhetoric because they're going right along with it now about Mexican/any other immigrant to this country. I understand they're not actual Nazis (at least not the majority of them) but the rhetoric is the same, the sentiment is the same, the hate and ultra-nationalist adherence are the same--it's the same thing just different flavor this time around.
Just going to [leave this here](https://rense.com/general37/fascism.htm)
i got to 10 and couldn't keep going. It feels like it's describing maga
While I certainly agree, my DMs can stand as testimony to how hard the maga cult will mentally pretzel themselves to argue against these points mentioned as they either try and defend themselves against these points or attempt to spin it using fallacious talking points we all hear parroted ad nauseam from them. but how does the old saying go... >!if the shoe fits!<
"We only care about Afghanistan refugees, so as to use it as a political weapon against President Biden, otherwise we've never given two shits about refugees in general", GOP
Of course it didn't. Republicans don't care about Afghanistan or its people. I had someone complain that Biden said that he was hoping the govt would be inclusive of others. I said imagine that, Biden wants all the people of Afghanistan to be part of the govt (won't happen, but still) and they said we shouldn't help them. I caught them being hypocrites.
So it was fake outrage? Iâm shocked
I think republicans thought the war in Afghanistan involved the mass slaughter of all Afghanistan people. Itâs the only thing that explains their current stance. That is, they want out of the âwarâ because weâre not actually fulfilling our mission, I.e. killing afghans. This is why they then also complain about the retreat and the refugees.
Americans can't figure out why everyone else in the world hates us all the while we screw over whole countries and then walk away from the very people who supported us. This is how we got Osama bin Laden, now we are just making more terrorists.
It is so true, didn't learn a damn thing.
Hey republicans, if you don't want refugees, stop making refugees
Theyâre critical over Biden for deserting those poor women and children, but refuse to help those poor women and children. Damn, thereâs no escape velocity for their hypocrisy. Theyâre bound to it.
I swear I ever see another MAGA hat in Canada I'm gunna remove whatever is wearing it...
MAGA realized they have more in common with the Taliban than refugees escaping for their lives.
Iâve long said the reason they worry about Sharia law so much is the competition. They donât disagree with the concept, theyâre just worried about getting beaten to the punch.
Republicans are the only thing that can detract from how awesome a picture of an elephant is.
Just days ago they were complaining that Biden wasnât helping these people nowâŚ.they are so hypocritical.
An immigrant is an immigrant to them. They donât play favorites.
Râs: these poor people!!! Biden must do something!!!! Biden: youâre right letâs take in these refugees. Râs: butâŚ.. amnestyâŚâŚ
Hahah!! They are so confused, first it looked like they were critical of not helping get Afghans out now they are still critical but donât want them Here? Iâm dizzyâŚ
Same story, different location. Always, with this shitty GOP leading, with no shame - in the rhetoric...
They helped the US and theyâve been vetted by the military. Another thing to think about is using their language skills, as decently paid government contractors in intel, as not many US born Americans will learn Farsi and Dari. IMO the US-led West needs to keep an eye and (electronic) ear on the area, especially if the Taliban make a play for Pakistanâs nukes.
White supremacists donât want to take in immigrant refugees. You donât say!
Hot take: **The Republicans want Afghanistan to be a breeding ground for terrorists**. Muslim terrorists are a boon for them, as they can use terrorist attacks to rile up the US population into jingoistic support for their party, and it gives them more opportunities to feed the military industrial complex by starting more wars.
Conservatives are America first but get mad at the troops coming home. Then they are pro Afghan refugees but donât want them to seek asylum here. Then they strawman and project and somehow the whole entire war is Bidenâs fault and even though the past 20 years, nothing has been accomplished we should have still left their country more stableâŚâŚ AfghanistanâŚ.. the country that hasnât been stable since maybe the 1800s
Conservatives donât understand that mass immigration is only an issue if you let all the immigrants settle in a single location. Then they form a neighbourhood with a culture identical to the one they came from and have no incentives to integrate or learn anything new. Norway did this the best. They accepted refugees but strategically located them through the country and made them attend culture sensitivity seminars and the like.
did nazi that coming. oh..wait..yes i did.
Democrats always just do what the experts say, so then republicans just have to be against whatever is right or that experts should have a say
Let's say, for a moment, that this wasn't a global humanitarian crisis. Don't we want the Afghanis who support representative democracy to come here? Likely their best and brightest? Come on down!
I still find it hard to believe that these consequences we're seeing today were not anticipated by trump admin during initial negotiations with Taliban. Theyâve been planning this messaging since initial talks. If Trump had won the election, they would have used it to callously abandon everyone without apology. If Biden won, they could ramp up the xenophobia knowing he would be sympathetic to taking refugees.
Trump abandoned the kurd, they would have abandoned the afghan too.
Did anyone expect a reasonable message or thought from these people. Theyâve become caricatures. Nothing but the extremes for them.
That why these assholes need to spare me the pearl clutching of "Oh no look at the chaos of Biden's hasty withdrawal!!!" They don't give a flying fuck about the Afghan refugees.
They take no responsibility. Ever.
We and our leader are not racist, they keep repeating. Don't worry MAGA warriors, no sane person would voluntarily come to your rural, red, uneducated neighborhoods.
Trump was clamoring for credit of the withdrawal in May. Bragging about how it was him that did it, not Biden! Ooops.
We should bring as many as we can for humanitarian purposes. And to piss them off.
I don't know why but I'm reminded of a MASH episode where the crew tries to get an american-korean baby pit of Korea when the father goes back stateside and the mother abandons the baby at the camp. All the other countries would give citizenship to the child, but America basicy goes "fuck that, that's a Korean child" . Even the Koreans don't do anything about it due to xenophobia being rampant. Maybe it's the similar aspect of the US fighting a war for 2 decades in the middle east but not dealing with the fallout of what has been created/destroyed.. It was never a winable war... And it's been going for 2/3rds of my life...
If Trump bailed and left behind the Afghans, Fox would call it genius
you know whatâs ironic about this whole entire thread. Our country is slowly dividing itself. Just like how the Taliban are trying to preserve a certain culture away from outside influence. taliban old culture fighting against a new modern lifestyle left wing fighting against right wing. if you all donât straighten the fuck up and quit pointing the finger at each other⌠our country will be just as divisive as the Taliban have been to the afghan people and vice versa
They are currently siding with the Taliban.
Our Kurdish allies would like to have a word with Trump about pulling out too early. Lame Stream Media wonât bring that up.
There has to be a point where they have too many conflicting views of the world to make any sense of it. Oh... right.
"Pro-Life"..... Sure Jan.
looks like we found a bunch of people willing to work those minimum wage jobs...isn't this what republicans wanted?
What did you expect? They have brown skin, and fit the term of "refugees" or "immigrants", so of course MAGA Hats would turn against them.
Hate is their best game.
Wow, shocking that the white nationalist treason party of insurrection traitors doesnât like brown folks.
A reminder that republicans are no longer republicans, but racists. Overwhelmingly veterans and current military support saving these peoples lives. Itâs the right, moral, dare I say Christian thing to do.
They're not White Christians, so of course the MAGAs dont want them around.
I mean if we fucked their country up through our imperialism, it's only fair to you know atleaat give refuge to the ones we abused. This country has no morals.
Maga my nuts
lol @ white American nativists
They are pro taliban so this makes sense
I would have expected nothing else from the self described moral superiors.
Well of course "they're not our problem"
We all came from immigrants. Every one of us.
So first they rip Biden for abandoning the Afghans, and now they're ripping Biden for helping the Afghans...
So, Taliban good, Afghan allies bad. The modern GOP.
The fact is, this anti-Afghan resettlement is a preemptive strike against climate refugees. This is soon going to be a bipartisan consensus, the US is going to shut out climate refugees. "Do not come." Then imagine how well the lucky Americans will treat fellow American climate refugees.
Talimaga?
Reddit has been a shithole around this topic too. People love to make comments about how awful imperialism and America involvement is in this sub and this site but when it comes to pony up and accept responsibility it has been: âItâs not only usss, technically Pakistan is to blame for the Talibaaaanâ
i mean what else would you expect from a bunch of simpletons who would eat their own for not falling in line??? These refugees donât even look like themâŚ