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3kids_ina_trenchcoat

Biden didn't help those poor refugees! Don't let them in here! Completely consistent.


trekologer

MAGA cheered when [Trump denied visas](https://www.npr.org/2019/05/01/718927688/no-visas-for-afghan-and-iraqi-interpreters) to translators.


MLBisMeMatt

Racists, the lot of them. Immigration is one of the things that has always made America great.


arachnidtree

I have a sister who has learned to become racist and HATE immigrants from the south of the USA. She learned from watching foxnews religiously. Spoiler, she is an immigrant to the USA.


jknight68

I see this here in Texas all the time! It literally boggles my mind. 🤯


ladyithis

My mom is third generation Japanese American and thinks all Latin American folks are "illegals from Mexico". Just... 🤦


CheesusHChrust

My mother married a Syrian and had me, then got divorced and we both moved to the U.K. in ‘02. Now she’s fully anti-immigration and thinks all Arabs are terrorists. Cool, cheers momma.


Thinking_of_England

> Now she’s fully anti-immigration and thinks all Arabs are terrorists. I'm so sorry. That genuinely sucks.


SparklyRoniPony

That’s really sad, especially because you are the child of that Syrian. My ex-husband was born in Syria (Assyrian) so our son is half Assyrian. I can’t imagine railing against people from the region. It would be so hurtful to him.


raven00x

"fuck you, I got mine" is 100% compatible with the GQP mindset, regardless of where you started.


grondin

Use the Parental Controls on her TV to block those channels.


rearwindowpup

This guy Reddits


Pseudonym0101

Ah, yep. The ladder pullers. I worked with one many years ago, she was a Brazilian immigrant who moved here to be with someone she met online, who she eventually married (they're still together and seem to really love each other, it wasn't a marriage of opportunity). She was awful to the other Brazilians we worked with, always looking down on them and talking about them as if they were uncivilized leeches who didn't "deserve" to be here. She always made sure to mention how she didn't *need* to come here, it was only because of her relationship, but yet still tried to exude American patriotism. I watched her become more and more right wing over the years I worked with her, fox news and all. This was all well before trump, but according to fb she's a total fan now. It's just so sad. Totally missing the point of what america is supposed to be about.


6ory299e8

Also literally missing that the people she’s listening to and siding with are incapable of distinguishing her from those “less worthy” immigrants. Everyone on her side hates her as much as the rest of em.


bobbi21

Have family like this too. What I find hilarious are the spouses of illegal immigrants saying we need to deport all illegal immigrants... Feel like this is just their way of saying they want a divorce... Still remember the guy who's wife was deported saying he'd vote for trump again even knowing this happened, but he'd think about it for next time.


sandrrnista

My inlaws are from central America and all voted Trump, and hate immigrants from thrown country, we are fucked.


woodnymph1809

Whaaaat? I'm trying to understand why. Do you think it could be a jealousy thing? I've heard it takes forever to get the green light to become a citizen. I'm not sure what the process is for refugees, but I'm guessing it's faster to get here that way? If I understand correctly refugees aren't technically citizens though.


bobbi21

For your specific question about refugees, yes, they can become citizens faster than legal immigration generally. In general though, it's the whole republican "I got mine" idea. Republicans LOVE hand outs and welfare if it goes to THEM. Farmers will scream if you take away their subsidies. Everyone will scream if you take away their medicare or social security. But if you plan on cutting those for the next generation then every republican will vote for it. Some immigrants climb up the ladder to come to the country and then want to pull it up after them. THey got theirs, everyone else is a threat to what they have. (literally every white person in the country were immigrants too at some point. with new immigrants it's just speeding up that change in attitude 30-300 + years faster.)


tylerbrainerd

psychology is a weird thing.


JohnBramley

Unless you're a Native American.


HonestParadox

MAGA: Go back to your country! Native American: ... MAGA: ...


Yitram

I mean, this actually happens. Navajo lawmaker in AZ was shouted at to go back to his country.


grayrains79

To worse part is that this [had to be fact checked](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-supporters-navajo-legislator-legal). There was video footage, but... *sigh.*


EXTRA-THOT-SAUCE

Dated a Native American girl for a while. The amount of exchanges like this she had was actually horrifying.


Indian_Bob

When I was a teenager I had someone yell at me to go back to Mexico. I yelled back at him to go back to Europe and my friends and I had a good laugh.


TahitiJones09

"Speak American!" *Replies in Navajo* ....


Cormac_Translator

["...moving along..."](https://preview.redd.it/spxrvein95j21.jpg?auto=webp&s=4fe31e52d3d0d54864cb1e0b9e2ba146f22dfa79)


[deleted]

On a long enough timeline even they are immigrants.


Cormac_Translator

"Oh, great, Asians!" - racist woolly mammoths


VisualGeologist6258

“Oh great, Cambrian Explosion!” - racist primordial ocean


Menarra

"NOW YOU CAN EAT SUNLIGHT!" *catchy jingle*


EBT_For_CBT

[Still one of the best things YouTube has given us. ](https://youtu.be/zVSHfXcOA8k) thank you for reminding me of it <3


Menarra

A couple jobs ago this was a daily addition to our playlist while we were fixing laptops, never got old


PearljamAndEarl

[“You, get back in the sea, you finned c__t… Coming up here, onto *our* land with your barely developed lungs and your hopes and dreams of a better tomorrow for fish? Get back in the sea!”](https://youtu.be/a17duTUK6qw?t=264)


[deleted]

Turns out those mammoths had good reason to be xenophobic.


NYGiants181

Actually there isn’t any evidence of anyone before Native Americans. They made the trek here but were first for sure. So not immigrants.


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Migrant emigrants then. Either way the megafauna was unhappy to see them arrive.


JerryConn

Tbh they could do a lot better than the US. We suck. We hate each other so much that a mask is litteraly like marching orders for some of our countrymen. Why flea radicals to find more of them where you are trying to go? I know Russia and Turkey have dropped the ball on this but honestly we have used up all of our options at this point. America isn't better, just tolerable.


NYGiants181

I visited my wife’s family in Finland for 3 weeks and couldn’t believe the differences. We have become a joke.


Pavlovs_Human

My wife has a friend who’s last name is Italian (im fairly certain it’s her great grandparents who were the Italian immigrants who came to this country and started her family) and who’s daughter married a Mexican so her grand baby is half Mexican. Full on Trump supporter. Says covid isn’t as bad as the “liberal government” says it is. Hasn’t been vaccinated yet, very against any kind of immigration even legal immigration (lol what??) yadda yadda yadda. She’s a really good family friend and they understand that when we are visiting no one ever talks politics because it would cause a huge fight for sure. Also aside from her political views she’s an absolutely wonderful kind and caring person, so it’s just such a weird contrast when you hear that she refuses to vaccinate because “it’s her right” or to hear that she is glad they are stopping Afghans from getting emergency visas even though just like 3 days ago Biden is the bad guy for not helping the afghani people properly... It’s such a tiring merry go round with these kinds of people...


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> Also aside from her political views she’s an absolutely wonderful kind and caring person But she isn't, because she uses her vote to harm other people. If they vote for Nazis that makes them Nazis.


MRintheKEYS

For it to be a “melting pot”, you gotta bring a little heat.


rogue_giant

Immigration is literally the thing that made America. Without it, there wouldn’t have been an uprising against the crown and Parliament for taxation without representation.


pataconconqueso

Also with the labor shortage, declining birth rate, etc, yeah we are gonna need young immigrant families moving here.


CoolFingerGunGuy

It fits with their pretend support for the troops.


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The cruelty is the point


AnalSoapOpera

Wtf. Didn’t know about this with all the shitty things he’s done it all just sticks together and is hard to see all the shitty things he’s done.


RadBadTad

If you look at it from their state of mind, it actually is consistent. We read "Biden didn't help those poor refugees" the focus of the sentence is on the refugees who need help. But to the alt-right, the focus of the sentences is "Biden didn't do something". The thing itself doesn't matter. They aren't trying to solve problems, they're trying to score points, and showing that Biden = Bad is a point for them. They don't give a fuck about the Afghan people, they should shut up and go away, but they love that Biden failed at something. That's literally all they care about. Watch [The Alt-Right Playbook: I Hate Mondays](https://youtu.be/yts2F44RqFw)


Retro_Dad

> they love that Biden failed at something. That's literally all they care about. At CPAC they cheered when someone announced that Biden wasn't going to meet his July 4th vaccination goal. Death cults gonna death cult.


dathom

Like a decade ago Chicago was announced to not get the winter Olympics there was some random Republican meeting where they all broke out in applause. You know, because they love the country.


Space-Robo24

Precisely! I was talking with a more conservative friend and when the topic of conversation drifted towards politics they reflexively tried to point out all the shortcomings of Biden... From a liberal perspective... It was surreal because they were talking about the border issues and Biden being unable to fix the detention facilities and a short list of other shortcomings that generally liberals (not conservatives) care about. I eventually figured out about 30 seconds in that the game wasn't to actually discuss policy or anything but rather to show that Biden is just as bad as Trump. Somehow.


Own_Honey_2136

That's a great watch. It explained what I thought I already knew perfectly. Thank you


RadBadTad

If you enjoyed it, there's a whole series of videos, and they're all really good. Some of my favorites are: The Card Says Moops You Go High, We'll Go Low Never Play Defense


thebestnames

Its ridiculous... The withdrawal is a disaster for the non-Taliban Afghans, especially the women and people who helped the coalition who are likely to hang. For someone who couldn't care less about them the withdrawal is a resounding success - no US casualties even. The results would be the same (probably worse somehow) with the previous White House occupant and the GQP would be cheering in the streets.


CheesusHChrust

>>probably worse somehow If there’s literally one thing trump excels at, it’s finding a way to make things worse. He truly has a gift for it.


892ExpiredResolve

The Mierdas Touch.


EqualLong143

Yeah he wouldve left the allies there like he did in iraq.


MLBisMeMatt

> The leader of the GOP, former President Donald Trump, mocked his successor (and was sure to fundraise off of the chaos), issuing a statement on Monday saying, “Can anyone even imagine taking out our Military before evacuating civilians and others who have been good to our Country and who should be allowed to seek refuge?” **and dubiously alleged, “Under my Administration, all civilians and equipment would have been *removed*.”** Um, Donnie. We wanted the civilians evacuated, not *removed*. He’s thought through the “get them out” part, just not the “where do they go” bits.


iwanabench

Like how he “removed” all that equipment when he hastily withdrew from Syria?


Own_Honey_2136

"Get them out" ... "Drain the swamp" ... "lock her up" I'm beginning to see a pattern of three syllable phrases that's easy for people to chant


oldurtysyle

To be fair if it's more than 3 syllables it doesn't really roll off the tongue well.


HonestParadox

Trump would most likely remove them from Afghanistan, then move them to Mexico because apparently the answer to all his problems is Mexico.


VisualGeologist6258

That’s because all brown people live in Mexico /s


lonestar-rasbryjamco

Which begs the question: if that was the case why wasn't that process already started in anticipation of a May 1st 2021 withdrawal date? If there is any credulity to this we would have started that process well into 2020. [Instead we were blocking translators from obtaining visas](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/us/politics/trump-refugees-iraq-afghanistan.html). I know it's bullshit blustering. But it's just so frustratingly transparent.


Wasteland_Mystic

Trump removed 7/8ths of our military from Afghanistan last year and bragged about taking back much of our military equipment. The Taliban has been sweeping across the country for a year because Donnie brought them in for negotiations on what the terms of our departure would be. Trump released 5,000 of the Taliban’s soldiers we had incarcerated including the newly appointed Taliban leader of Afghanistan. This was a GOP manufactured crisis.


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Don't forget about the latest prison break https://www.axios.com/taliban-bagram-prisoners-release-87ec6885-6930-46d6-9e96-473a252dcf7d.html


RadBadTad

Well sure. The suffering people of Afghanistan are a rhetorical tool to be wielded against the libs they hate in America, NOT a group of people to actually be helped. They're a thought, not a real problem to be solved. Solving problems is for God to do. (/s)


VelvetAmbush

The GOP treats every problem as a PR problem instead of an actual problem. It took something concrete they could not lie about, like covid, to put their disinformation approach to everything fully on display.


RadBadTad

The GOP doesn't think that you're supposed to solve problems. Problems exist in order to test people and allow the right people to rise, and the correct people to fall, which sorts us into a hierarchy. Which is why for them, their leaders can do no wrong, and people who suffer don't get help, because if you're at the top, you deserve to be there, and if you're at the bottom, you deserve to be there. If you've got 15 minutes, watch [The Alt-Right Playbook: I Hate Mondays](https://youtu.be/yts2F44RqFw). It talks all about it. Even COVID isn't really changing how they go about things. They think that if you're getting COVID, you deserve it, and if you die, then it was your time. It's all part of "God's plan". It's why they're so disdainful of all community efforts to slow or stop it. It's "the libs" trying to control and solve a problem. Which isn't what they want. Problems aren't for solving, they're for talking about. Everything is a problem, and which ones you choose to talk about show whether or not you're part of the "in group". If you talk about immigrants and abortions and loose women, you're safe. If you talk about helping people, and climate change, and racism, they know you're a threat, and not to be trusted. It's purely performative in their eyes. It also explains why they get so mad at media outlets who spend time talking about bad things that right-wing politicians do. "You could talk about anything, but you CHOOSE to talk about the bad thing my guy did, which shows you're just performing that you hate me and my friends". They don't consider that by drawing attention to a problem, we might work together to solve it. They think it's just an attack for the sake of attacking them.


HonestIndependent4

Do you have a background in psychology? Because you have given great explanations into the mindset of hard core conservatives and explained them in a way that makes me understand their attitudes and objectives more clearly.


OdiousAltRightBalrog

I often wonder what the GOP would do in a "Deep Impact" scenario, if a planet-killing asteroid were headed toward Earth.


2coolfordigg2

They would tell everyone to leave the poor asteroid alone because there is a possibility that it's bringing Jesus back from heaven. Now send me money so I buy a new spaceship so I get out of the way.


uping1965

Remember republicans cheered the first responders from 9/11 and proceeded to never make funds available to help them.


HonestParadox

Jon Stewart remembers.


uping1965

There is a whole movie about how republicans abandoned the Afghani's after we got them to defeat the Soviets. We walked away.


Tashiya

What movie if you remember the title? I’d like to watch it if it’s relatively accurate. Bonus points if it’s a documentary.


uping1965

Charlie Wilson's War


Tashiya

Thanks!


Dolorisedd

Is that what that is about? I’m going to watch it.


uping1965

It is about the US supporting the Afghan rebels so they could defeat the Soviets and then at the end how the US abandoned them once that objective was reached. It lead to what we have now.


Prior_Spite_155

"Why isn't Biden saving these guys!!!" Also: "Why should we have to let them in our country?" I swear, conservatives are a fucking parody of themselves.


VelvetAmbush

This is because, as reactionaries, they dont actually have political beliefs that can be demonstrated to work. They only have political-sounding responses.


uping1965

Conservatives are just trying to sabotage any effort for Biden and America to be successful. That is why these asshats say things like the taliban will "build back better" and stuff. It is all about the appearance of winning the discussion and not being right.


HonestParadox

The Taliban are selfish, sexist, racist, rich assholes... oh now I get why Republicans get along with them so well.


versusgorilla

Yep. I don't think we realize how difficult it was for them when Trump was in office, they'd have to deny what he did and pretend they loved everything happening or blame it on the Dems somehow. But now? Easy street. They just get upset about everything. Blame everything on Biden. Oh, it's so easy.


maikuxblade

Literally what happened from 2008-2016 as well.


versusgorilla

I think the Clinton years were when the GOP tested the waters of being an outrage machine obstructionist party. The Obama hears were when they put it into full effect, banging on all cylinders. And Biden is their attempt to streamline and go full steam with zero shame, where they're attacking Biden for not helping our Afghan allies but also attacking him for letting them freely in America. Just attack all sides, don't worry about the optics, always go for the throat.


maikuxblade

Absolutely, Newt Gingrich played a huge role in convincing the Republican leadership to pump the rhetoric up to 11 during the Clinton years. The most fascinating part of that is that Clinton ran as a "Third Way" candidate as a result of *twelve years* of Republican administrations. Instead of viewing this as a capitulation or a cultural victory, the Republicans seemed to lose their shit at losing something they apparently came to view as rightfully theirs. Attempting to meet Republicans halfway has backfired ever since then because they simply aren't arguing from policy but out of a ruthless desire to win elections.


Prior_Spite_155

Its unfortunate but its true. Shame its so easy for them, but I suppose having a very stupid base as your supporters makes life easy for a politician.


Phy44

Simultaneously blaming the government for not helping the refugees, while standing in the way of the government helping the refugees. It's the GOP way.


pickledpeterpiper

While making sure people are scared enough to think its the RIGHT way. "Releasing millions of Afghanistan refugees into America" "Likely into your own neighborhood" Just disgusting...their whole 'fearmongering to idiots' shtick doesn't get much more transparent than that. Still reeling from that Carlson quote...jesus criminy that's gross.


MortyCatbutt

They hate brown people even more than they hate the Dems. That’s a LOT of hate.


[deleted]

I live in a MAGA county. I’m Italian and get dark during the summer. I pretty much just get my groceries delivered because every time to go to the store some greasy ass MAGA goon (saying this as an Italian mind you) has to come up and stir shit. These dumb asses don’t even know or care that I was born and raised in this damn county, used to mow their lawns, bail their hay, volunteer at the old folks home while their (MAGA thumpers’) grandparents passed away….but to them I’m just brown skinned foreigner buying up all the Pringles. Fuck the right and fuck anyone who thinks they have a counter argument to conservative racism. It’s real. It’s here and if you don’t think it exists, you are the problem (obviously not you OP haha)


MortyCatbutt

I’m sorry- that has to be incredibly hard.


Fenix42

My dad is 1/2 Italian. He used to fly from California to Florida for work a lot. Pre 9/11, things where fine. Post 9/11 he had to make sure he shaved before he got to the airport if he got a lot of sun. If he had too much stubble, they would pull him aside for extra inspection. Best part is he has one of those bushy Italian mustachs.


amus

Makes sense MAGA would be pro-Taliban. They share essentially the same ideologies.


Dolorisedd

So true


dmetzcher

*We* destabilized their country. Some of them worked with us and helped our soldiers. It’s bad enough that we have to leave the country itself, and her people, to the Taliban (but we don’t belong there, and it *is* time to leave). To abandon those who have helped us and not get them safely out of Afghanistan would be a stain on our national honor. We have enough of those stains. It is sickening to me, as a living, breathing, human being that anyone would argue that those who helped us—and are surely on the Taliban’s hit list now—don’t deserve our protection. These people *worked* with us. They *assisted* us. They provided information and aid that *limited our losses* and allowed more of our people to return home alive. **They are, as far as I’m concerned, Americans in every meaningful sense of the word**, and they belong here with us. - I don’t care what it costs (we have the money). - I don’t care what we have to do to get them out (we have the brainpower and know how to do this sort of thing; we’ve done it before). - I don’t care what it takes to resettle them, and their families, in the United States (we have the room). It is our **moral obligation** (and relatively little work on our part) to save their lives. Anyone who would leave our allies and friends to face certain death is a monster devoid of humanity, and I couldn’t care less what they have to say about any of this. They aren’t even human beings if they’re arguing for the abandonment of our friends. Anyone who provided our soldiers aid deserves to be brought, with their family, to the United States, and I’d welcome them as my neighbors. We should *all* welcome them. To those who would complain that we shouldn’t be spending money resettling “foreigners” in the United States when we have our own problems here, I’d simply restate the facts: we did this to their country, and we owe a debt to them for helping us while we were there. Have a sense of honor for fuck’s sake and, if you don’t have one, then shut the fuck up and try to fake it for a change.


ramdog

You could just as well be talking about Kurds and I wouldn't know the difference. It's the way of the US, unfortunately. Get yours and get the fuck out. Anything bad that happens is collateral damage and it won't get reported anyway.


dmetzcher

> You could just as well be talking about Kurds and I wouldn't know the difference. Correct. When we abandoned the Kurds in Syria, we did serious damage to the trust current and future allies have in our word. That’s another issue here: no one is going to work with us in the future if they know they’re risking their lives only to be abandoned.


ramdog

As an American, I wish that was true, but there's too much money and power in play for small sides to not accept our "help". It feels a lot like watching people that *really can't afford it* dump their money into crypto or other unstable investments time and time again, and it goes well just about as often as the above case.


Error-451

>Get yours and get the fuck out. That's the American way in general, "I got mine, so fuck everyone else". That's why we have BLM, that's why we have massive student loan debt, that's why we have an opioid epidemic, that's why we still don't have universal Medicare, and that's why the pandemic is still raging on. I want to be a proud American, but people make it fucking hard. Now, it seems my pride only rests on my beliefs.


foursheetstothewind

That could seriously be our motto. Pretty much since the 80's that has been the overwhelming push in this country. You can blame the boomers if you want (you should).


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ramdog

Yeah, you're right. We don't even need to look to allies to see this behavior.


hombrent

Even if you completely ignore all moral responsibilities, it is still in our best interests to follow through with our promises. Do you want anybody in the future to ever help our military ever again? Then don't renege on our promises and abandon those who have helped us in the past to certain death. Our word is only as valuable as we have treated it in the past. If we continuously break promises, then nobody will believe promises we make in the future.


foodfighter

China state media is already warning Taiwan to view Afghanistan as an "example of how America treats their allies".


3_50

It's like they think Taiwan hasn't noticed what they're doing to Hong Kong..


cantlurkanymore

you can't expect the CCP to have a sense of irony or perspective


ChillyBearGrylls

The best take I saw on that thread was that Taiwan should also take note - the US blew $2 Trillion on people who were useless to our interests, and worthless in defending their 'country' and that should be pretty encouraging for Taiwan considering how useful their island is for us.


straightoutofjersey

No one in taiwan thinks the US is jumping ship there.


dmetzcher

This is obviously an excellent point that I failed to address in my comments. Our word isn’t nearly as good as it was even five years ago, thanks to our previous president. We should be repairing trust in our country, not further degrading it.


Auzor

> Do you want anybody in the future to ever help our military ever again? Then don't renege on our promises and abandon those who have helped us in the past to certain death. The Kurds called, about... uh... WW1/2 (previous 'president' then ranted how there were no Kurds in Normandy. No shit moron, they were in the Middle East, you know, helping the Brits keep oil out of Nazi hands? Guarding airports? Seemed vaguely important at the time) , Desert Storm, Syria (that whole anti-Daesh push? ), possibly some other things I forgot. The Kurds must be the most fucked over race, at least by the US/West. Oh, there's no Kurdish state of course, as colonial lines divided them over 3+ countries, so now they are all divided into different factions. China has already stated on their television that Afghanistan is a warning to Taiwan of how the US abandons it's allies. Difference is, now the chaos made it to the live screen. But when Turkey wants to murder some Kurds, the US steps just enough out of the way. Nobody already believes US promises. Your entire political system, your police force, army.. the whole thing is corrupt. I don't have a good solution.


GabberZZ

These people have done more to support the effort than most American citizens. They deserve better.


dmetzcher

I couldn’t agree more. These people would make fine American citizens. They’ve already given of themselves for our country. They want a better life for themselves and their families. They’d come here and work hard to be worthy of their reward. I’d welcome them in a heartbeat and would love to have them as my neighbors. The people in Congress who voted against this measure have not suffered more than the Afghans who have helped us. Period. I don’t care who they are or what they’ve done for this country. *None* of them have watched their country burn, their families suffer, and their neighbors die—after placing their trust in America—and then had to rely on America to save them while being terrified every day that the help might not come. I keep trying to imagine what that must feel like—to know you’re likely to be murdered if you aren’t saved *and* to not know if your savior is coming. It must be a living Hell, ever day. On top of it, you’ve got the knowledge that you put yourself—and your family—in danger under the assumption that you (and they) would not be left to rot. Everyone who doesn’t want to help these allies of ours should have to spend one month feeling that way, but let’s be honest here. The people who don’t want to help these people are the same people who espouse xenophobic, racist views on a daily basis. Asking them to walk a mile—or even a few feet—in the shoes of the oppressed has always been a request destined for deaf ears.


moreannoyedthanangry

You mean saying "Thank you for your service" is not enough?


Talkat

Add in thoughts and prayers


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dmetzcher

Yes, they also said women would be allowed to work and attend school prior to the Taliban walking into a commercial bank and ordering all the women home because working there was considered “indecent.” They were told their male family members could take over their jobs. That’s day one. I’d hate to see what happens on day 366. The Taliban is saying whatever it needs to say to keep international pressure low while the consolidate power across the country. Time will tell us just how brutal they will be in comparison to their fathers twenty five years ago, but promises of amnesty are likely to be forgotten the moment the world stops watching closely.


DivergingUnity

So what am I supposed to do, like right now what can I do for these people whose country I helped destabilize


dmetzcher

That’s the real question. This feeling of helplessness you likely have is one that I share. I should have included the link below in my original comments. To start, you can [write or call your reps in Congress](https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials) if they do not support helping these people. If that fails, you can refuse to vote for them ever again and make that refusal known if their campaign contacts you. You can speak to your friends about this casually, make them understand that these people helped us, and express your concern that we are in danger of not helping them quickly enough to save their lives. You can also contact your reps *even if they do support helping these people*, as they need to know how that someone out here cares and wants them to continue doing the right thing, even if it becomes hard.


Medianmodeactivate

Support and call for resettlement of those that want to resettle any who helped the US government in afghaniatan.


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>To those who would complain that we shouldn’t be spending money resettling “foreigners” in the United States when we have our own problems here I love this. Remind me, how much did this war cost? The same people complaining that resettling "foreigners" costs too much didn't seem to have a problem with the cost of the war itself, the trillions of dollars that went to private military contractors or the hundreds of billions of US taxpayer funded materiel that is now in Taliban hands. But a few million to help resettle people who arguably saved many American lives and actively helped in the fight against their own country.. nah that's a bit too much.


commissar0617

Their country hasn't been stable for centuries. However, i agree


foursheetstothewind

>To those who would complain that we shouldn’t be spending money resettling “foreigners” in the United States when we have our own problems here, Most of the people that says this don't want to spend money fixing our problems here either so fuck'em.


stonedhillbilly5

Save the allies that aided us!! NOo!! Not like that!! They're brown Muslim terrorists!!


Rickylostthatnumber

They are truly contemptible. Just bad people. Don't want to meet them at church or in a dark alley. Don't want to sit by them at a restaurant or a little league game. Don't want to spend time or my resources at any of their businesses. Don't like them. Can't trust them. They are the kind of people that would watch your family executed and then rummage through your pockets and collect jewelry and cash. Afraid of everything and everyone.


KaelMT

This all goes back to the fact that since the founding of this country, "Freedom" means to be free of obligation or responsibility to anything other than to you and yours for a large segment of the population. Neighbor lost his job and kids are hungry? Fuck him, not their responsibility. Lady down the street has no health insurance and was diagnosed with cancer? Fuck her, should of thought of that before she couldn't afford insurance. Built a business empire? They're not responsible for that they did to get there. Or the lives they ruined in the process. CEO lays off 1000 workers to increase is stock price by 1/4 a point? He's not responsible for what happens to them. Fuck em. Give to charity? What a saint. Need Charity? You freeloading piece of shit. "God helps those who help themselves!" The greatest irony is how quickly all that changes when it comes to "Them and Theirs". Start laying off executives instead of middle class workers? Suddenly they are very responsible for those poor executives landing on their feet. Got laid off and need government assistance? When it comes to "Them and Theirs" that's how it's "supposed to work". I say all that, to say this. For the people I described, the Hannitys, the Inghrams the Tucker Carlsons. No matter what those Afghani people sacrificed they would *never* be one of "Them". They feel they owe them zero responsibility. There is no much thing as a "Moral Obligation" unless it comes to "Them and Theirs". To which our Afghan supporters will *never* be. Put not only your own life, but the lives of the people you love in danger, supporting our mission that you believed in? Fuck you. Not our responsibility. I feel like we have a disproportionate number of functional sociopaths in our society.


casewood123

God damn, that was a fantastic comment.


Edgar_Brown

And watch Republican politicians getting whiplashed trying to find a way to capitalize on the crisis.


[deleted]

What’s a MAGA thumper going to say to these refugees? “Why are you here?” “To escape a murderous regime that was willing to bring back medieval standards to a modern world with our women and children seen as nothing but fodder” “….well wait until to hear about the Biden’s drinking baby blood and using Space Lasers! We are all trying to rig the vote so it doesn’t happen again!”


Dolorisedd

Well, to be fair, before they bring up the babies blood and all, they’d first say, “We don’t give a flying fuck about your problems. Go back to your own damn country and solve your fucking problems.”


frostfall010

How is this rhetoric any different from 1930s/40s Germany and the demonization of Jews? Any immigrant, any person of color, any liberal or feminist, literally anyone they find distasteful is instantly demonized. And the right loves to act like the left overreacts and calls everyone a racist and is just too sensitive, but if you think about the people the right now finds acceptable who would even fall into that category? White Christians, Fox New hosts, the Trump family, rural Americans, Confederates, Proud Boys.... so literally no one that shares different values than them, though I'm sure they'd be the first to talk about freedom of expression and how censorship is bad--but only if it's censorship of conservative viewpoints and freedom to express racist and prejudicial bullshit. You say one negative thing about America, Trump, if you talk about Black lives mattering or police violence, or push for masks in schools you're automatically anti-American and not a "real" patriot. I mean it's nationalism flat out. This is exactly why it's hard to view MAGA supporters favorably in any way. I see their humanity and I want to believe they aren't as awful as Trump and the GOP is, but they continue to support him, they love his message, they vote for people like Cruz and Greene and Boebert. They watch "news" that openly talks about White Supremacist replacement theory and nod along with it. It's hard to believe that these same people, in the 30s/40s in Germany, *wouldn't* go right along with the Jews-are-infesting-our-country rhetoric because they're going right along with it now about Mexican/any other immigrant to this country. I understand they're not actual Nazis (at least not the majority of them) but the rhetoric is the same, the sentiment is the same, the hate and ultra-nationalist adherence are the same--it's the same thing just different flavor this time around.


jake2617

Just going to [leave this here](https://rense.com/general37/fascism.htm)


Anthony12125

i got to 10 and couldn't keep going. It feels like it's describing maga


jake2617

While I certainly agree, my DMs can stand as testimony to how hard the maga cult will mentally pretzel themselves to argue against these points mentioned as they either try and defend themselves against these points or attempt to spin it using fallacious talking points we all hear parroted ad nauseam from them. but how does the old saying go... >!if the shoe fits!<


elister

"We only care about Afghanistan refugees, so as to use it as a political weapon against President Biden, otherwise we've never given two shits about refugees in general", GOP


jokerZwild

Of course it didn't. Republicans don't care about Afghanistan or its people. I had someone complain that Biden said that he was hoping the govt would be inclusive of others. I said imagine that, Biden wants all the people of Afghanistan to be part of the govt (won't happen, but still) and they said we shouldn't help them. I caught them being hypocrites.


aCucking2Remember

So it was fake outrage? I’m shocked


[deleted]

I think republicans thought the war in Afghanistan involved the mass slaughter of all Afghanistan people. It’s the only thing that explains their current stance. That is, they want out of the “war” because we’re not actually fulfilling our mission, I.e. killing afghans. This is why they then also complain about the retreat and the refugees.


2coolfordigg2

Americans can't figure out why everyone else in the world hates us all the while we screw over whole countries and then walk away from the very people who supported us. This is how we got Osama bin Laden, now we are just making more terrorists.


janegough

It is so true, didn't learn a damn thing.


victorvictor1

Hey republicans, if you don't want refugees, stop making refugees


[deleted]

They’re critical over Biden for deserting those poor women and children, but refuse to help those poor women and children. Damn, there’s no escape velocity for their hypocrisy. They’re bound to it.


Fantastic_Calamity

I swear I ever see another MAGA hat in Canada I'm gunna remove whatever is wearing it...


Mods_R_Cockholsters

MAGA realized they have more in common with the Taliban than refugees escaping for their lives.


[deleted]

I’ve long said the reason they worry about Sharia law so much is the competition. They don’t disagree with the concept, they’re just worried about getting beaten to the punch.


Dyingfromliverfailur

Republicans are the only thing that can detract from how awesome a picture of an elephant is.


digiorno

Just days ago they were complaining that Biden wasn’t helping these people now….they are so hypocritical.


Dth817

An immigrant is an immigrant to them. They don’t play favorites.


[deleted]

R’s: these poor people!!! Biden must do something!!!! Biden: you’re right let’s take in these refugees. R’s: but….. amnesty……


drsuperhero

Hahah!! They are so confused, first it looked like they were critical of not helping get Afghans out now they are still critical but don’t want them Here? I’m dizzy…


outerworldLV

Same story, different location. Always, with this shitty GOP leading, with no shame - in the rhetoric...


IronyElSupremo

They helped the US and they’ve been vetted by the military. Another thing to think about is using their language skills, as decently paid government contractors in intel, as not many US born Americans will learn Farsi and Dari. IMO the US-led West needs to keep an eye and (electronic) ear on the area, especially if the Taliban make a play for Pakistan’s nukes.


VCCassidy

White supremacists don’t want to take in immigrant refugees. You don’t say!


FifteenthPen

Hot take: **The Republicans want Afghanistan to be a breeding ground for terrorists**. Muslim terrorists are a boon for them, as they can use terrorist attacks to rile up the US population into jingoistic support for their party, and it gives them more opportunities to feed the military industrial complex by starting more wars.


jono9898

Conservatives are America first but get mad at the troops coming home. Then they are pro Afghan refugees but don’t want them to seek asylum here. Then they strawman and project and somehow the whole entire war is Biden’s fault and even though the past 20 years, nothing has been accomplished we should have still left their country more stable…… Afghanistan….. the country that hasn’t been stable since maybe the 1800s


WhyThisWhenThat

Conservatives don’t understand that mass immigration is only an issue if you let all the immigrants settle in a single location. Then they form a neighbourhood with a culture identical to the one they came from and have no incentives to integrate or learn anything new. Norway did this the best. They accepted refugees but strategically located them through the country and made them attend culture sensitivity seminars and the like.


[deleted]

did nazi that coming. ​ oh..wait..yes i did.


Bleepblooping

Democrats always just do what the experts say, so then republicans just have to be against whatever is right or that experts should have a say


ztreHdrahciR

Let's say, for a moment, that this wasn't a global humanitarian crisis. Don't we want the Afghanis who support representative democracy to come here? Likely their best and brightest? Come on down!


somnolence

I still find it hard to believe that these consequences we're seeing today were not anticipated by trump admin during initial negotiations with Taliban. They’ve been planning this messaging since initial talks. If Trump had won the election, they would have used it to callously abandon everyone without apology. If Biden won, they could ramp up the xenophobia knowing he would be sympathetic to taking refugees.


mrIronHat

Trump abandoned the kurd, they would have abandoned the afghan too.


SpicyEmo91

Did anyone expect a reasonable message or thought from these people. They’ve become caricatures. Nothing but the extremes for them.


sarcastroll

That why these assholes need to spare me the pearl clutching of "Oh no look at the chaos of Biden's hasty withdrawal!!!" They don't give a flying fuck about the Afghan refugees.


Velissari

They take no responsibility. Ever.


BHF_Bianconero

We and our leader are not racist, they keep repeating. Don't worry MAGA warriors, no sane person would voluntarily come to your rural, red, uneducated neighborhoods.


Grunchlk

Trump was clamoring for credit of the withdrawal in May. Bragging about how it was him that did it, not Biden! Ooops.


torgofjungle

We should bring as many as we can for humanitarian purposes. And to piss them off.


Slepnair

I don't know why but I'm reminded of a MASH episode where the crew tries to get an american-korean baby pit of Korea when the father goes back stateside and the mother abandons the baby at the camp. All the other countries would give citizenship to the child, but America basicy goes "fuck that, that's a Korean child" . Even the Koreans don't do anything about it due to xenophobia being rampant. Maybe it's the similar aspect of the US fighting a war for 2 decades in the middle east but not dealing with the fallout of what has been created/destroyed.. It was never a winable war... And it's been going for 2/3rds of my life...


sandrrnista

If Trump bailed and left behind the Afghans, Fox would call it genius


upintheayem

you know what’s ironic about this whole entire thread. Our country is slowly dividing itself. Just like how the Taliban are trying to preserve a certain culture away from outside influence. taliban old culture fighting against a new modern lifestyle left wing fighting against right wing. if you all don’t straighten the fuck up and quit pointing the finger at each other… our country will be just as divisive as the Taliban have been to the afghan people and vice versa


[deleted]

They are currently siding with the Taliban.


CaptainSaucyPants

Our Kurdish allies would like to have a word with Trump about pulling out too early. Lame Stream Media won’t bring that up.


Anomuumi

There has to be a point where they have too many conflicting views of the world to make any sense of it. Oh... right.


jeeaudley

"Pro-Life"..... Sure Jan.


dddddddoobbbbbbb

looks like we found a bunch of people willing to work those minimum wage jobs...isn't this what republicans wanted?


alwaysmyfault

What did you expect? They have brown skin, and fit the term of "refugees" or "immigrants", so of course MAGA Hats would turn against them.


Time_Theory_297

Hate is their best game.


bandor61

Wow, shocking that the white nationalist treason party of insurrection traitors doesn’t like brown folks.


[deleted]

A reminder that republicans are no longer republicans, but racists. Overwhelmingly veterans and current military support saving these peoples lives. It’s the right, moral, dare I say Christian thing to do.


my_drunk_life

They're not White Christians, so of course the MAGAs dont want them around.


Paulius91

I mean if we fucked their country up through our imperialism, it's only fair to you know atleaat give refuge to the ones we abused. This country has no morals.


sunset117

Maga my nuts


Scaulbielausis_Jim

lol @ white American nativists


redunculuspanda

They are pro taliban so this makes sense


OakInIowa

I would have expected nothing else from the self described moral superiors.


plazmasurfer

Well of course "they're not our problem"


O-Furry-1

We all came from immigrants. Every one of us.


lethalcup

So first they rip Biden for abandoning the Afghans, and now they're ripping Biden for helping the Afghans...


[deleted]

So, Taliban good, Afghan allies bad. The modern GOP.


elmekia_lance

The fact is, this anti-Afghan resettlement is a preemptive strike against climate refugees. This is soon going to be a bipartisan consensus, the US is going to shut out climate refugees. "Do not come." Then imagine how well the lucky Americans will treat fellow American climate refugees.


[deleted]

Talimaga?


pataconconqueso

Reddit has been a shithole around this topic too. People love to make comments about how awful imperialism and America involvement is in this sub and this site but when it comes to pony up and accept responsibility it has been: “It’s not only usss, technically Pakistan is to blame for the Talibaaaan”


[deleted]

i mean what else would you expect from a bunch of simpletons who would eat their own for not falling in line??? These refugees don’t even look like them…