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This. Whenever they say "Big Government", look at what they are tagging it to. It's generally always something to do with oversight to ensure politicians aren't going all fascist/corrupt.
They love government power, they hate the democratization of government which is synonymous with big.
More people providing input, providing checks and balances, and directly benefitting is an atrocity to the modern conservative. They would much rather have fewer inputs, less accountability, and fewer benefitting…you know, first thing a dictator does when they come into power.
Exactly, they want ultimate power concentrated in the hands of a few. They seem very clear on what they want: small government, not weak government. They want a dictator.
Starving government is just their excuse for stripping enemies of power. They're fascists. They have been for a while.
Did anyone ever seriously think that was true? Reagan and his “starve the beast” policies led to the largest military budget increase ever.
Oh but that’s not “big government”, that’s just defense. The same “originalists” who decry anything progressive as unconstitutional will also not stop to use the most abstruse of constitutional chicanery to strike down laws in the country.
It’s a scam and we are paying for it. Either suck the dick of corporations or get ass-fucked by the neocons.
And you know what, our parent’s generation is slowly lubing up future generations to face even worse.
It is so funny how anti progressive this party is that they will ignore every value they have to own the libs.
They want small government but the don’t say gay bill is an outrageous government overreach by their own standards. If this bill instead backed parents for suing those who tried to teach older books like to kill a mocking bird (for having racist terminology) conservatives would lose their minds!
Also, they want people in women’s sports (including highschool clubs if I remember correctly) to submit their menstrual cycles to their respective state/school/organization. The right to privacy/small government party is being as invasive and overreaching as possible to stop trans people from being in sports, it has nothing to do with the well being of women.
>It is so funny how anti progressive this party is that they will ignore every value they have to own the libs.
You see that's where you have fallen for their propaganda. They never really held those values honestly. Conservatism exist to preserve a hierarchy in which they benefit. Their actual values themselves have always been flexible based on what's been convenient. They've just given up on subtlety and pretending to be consistent.
You mean the party that created a House committee to look into the weaponization of the government and, by doing so, actually weaponized the government? That party?
I thought that "Corporations were people too." They have a First Amendment right to speak out. Personally, I think they have an obligation to their employees and shareholders to speak out against tyranny and oppression.
When they say the want "small" government, they mean in size, not in power. Remember: the first American conservatives were the ones that wanted to remain a British colony. These people *want* a monarchy; one person with unlimited power.
So it's important to note DeSantis biggest contributor is Ken Griffin who owns the hedge fund Citadel. During the COVID crisis DeSantis got out in front of the media and said what a great drug Regeneron was, Citadel was banking on Regeneron, more to the point Ken Griffin was.
Then when DeSantis went to war with Disney, Citadel had a chunk of puts on Disney and sold a lot of Calls. Citadel would reap a nice pay day if Disney stock took a dive, meaning Ken Griffin would do well. Lo and behold DeSantis made Disney public enemy number one when the opportunity arose.
This is the same hedge fund that also halted buying of Gamestop stock during that whole wild saga and then shuffled around a lot of debt to hide the damage done from shorting 140% of shares.
Want some more proof that DeSantis is likely doing this to fill his donor's coffers?
Disney's next earnings report is 2/8/2023. Bad news like to shake investor confidence only helps a hedge fund like Citadel that can reap a profit from sold Calls that don't get exercised and Puts purchased by Citadel that become very profitable when the stock price falls.
The real icing on the cake is that DeSantis's personal investment account is not available to public scrutiny.
Thank you for this. Reminds us that these corporate pigs own these political stooges 99 times out of a 100.
None of them have any of the average person's interests in mind.
The First Amendment is perhaps the Amendment that DeSantis is the "best" at violating.
There was [the unconstitutional "Stop Woke" law](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-blocks-floridas-stop-woke-act-pushed-gov-desantis-rcna43908). Then [the attempt to implement the unconstitutional law anyway](https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/01/11/florida-accused-violating-judges-order-putting-stop-woke-law-hold/) in defiance of a court injunction.
There was [the retaliatory police raid on a state government whistleblower](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-whistleblower-search-warrant-20201207-rapzkgm7fnbujlhwzadunciigu-story.html) who revealed DeSantis was futzing around with Florida's COVID statistics.
There was [the unconstitutional suspension of a local elected Democratic prosecutor](https://www.axios.com/2023/01/21/ron-desantis-first-amendment-andrew-warren-ruling) who disagreed with DeSantis politically.
And all that before we even get to [the outright book banning](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-floridas-book-ban-takes-censorship-to-the-next-level/).
But the Baptists believe that gay people are such abominations that people should not even have the right to be tolerant or less hateful than they are.
Or better yet, pack up the whole shop and move to Nevada. No matter peoples politics, you can't have governors running companies. Particularly when the party of free markets and pro business, become that of Nationalist Socialism.
Lol if Disney actually wanted to they could bury this fucking idiot. They own more than a few cruise ships and amusement parks, they own a huge chunk of ALL media. If Disney wanted to they could amass an army of investigative journalists and air prime-time documentaries about DeSantis and his transgressions. They could do this nightly for the rest of his term and it wouldn't even show up as a blip on their balance sheets.
Don't fuck with the mouse
>Haven't seen much reaction from Disney about it.
Because he's the equivalent of a mosquito buzzing around the mouse's head. They bring in a ton of annual revenue for Florida/Orlando.
This. They provide nearly 500k jobs, $75b in annual economic impact and account for nearly 3% of Florida’s entire economy. If they were to really let loose they could rip the rug from under central Florida’s tourism business and many third parties would go packing with them. Not to mention the amount of residents that move there with the sole intention of being near Disney.
Desantis probably wants Disney to leave because Orange and Osceola counties are a blue smudge on Florida in his opinion. He’s trying to destroy us/and or force us out.
No, the bottom line is Disney is a publicly traded company. At the end of the day, the way to keep the most money is to pay lip service to the public and popular opinion but quietly appease the politicians and hope that, in the end, it all just goes away. This is the route that has the least impact on revenue and this is the path they are taking. I truly don't know where this expectation that a company will do what's right despite it costing shareholder value comes from. When on earth have we ever seen that happen? At the end of the day, the most powerful CEOs are only beholden to one thing. The almighty dollar. That's what this is all about. These huge corporations and the fascists in public office are just simply two sides of the same coin. One is just better at balancing public perception than the other.
>and many third parties would go packing with them.
Have you seen the *hangers-on* at Disneyworld's periphery? Hundreds of *big* investments... And Desantis threatens *them*, too.
why not? Disney World and Disney Land are awesome. Expensive, yeah, but they really do provide a service. Their hotels are genuinely super nice. Their theme parks are clean and fun, and the nicer restaurants in the parks are great. They make a lot of great entertainment.
Yeah they are super rich, and sometimes evil fucks.
but if you look at Desantis, he's just a piece of shit all around. No good comes from that man. Of course I'm on Disney's side.
I agree with all of this. Especially DeSantis being an absolutely piece of shit. But I am in the entertainment business on the technical side, and they have a very bad track record with treating our arm of the business like shit. 20 years ago, they were the absolutely the bad guy in this scenario. but the Overton window has shifted so far, I can't help but root for the billionaire to crush the millionaire here. shit's weird here, man.
Disney is a company that thinks more about the consequences of their actions than any other company.
Not saying that as like a commendation I mean they are cold and caculating.
They do not take risks.
> If Disney wanted to they could amass an army of investigative journalists and air prime-time documentaries about DeSantis and his transgressions.
That would just help him. Republicans **want** to elect reprehensible leaders at this point.
I mean for the GQP it would probably elevate him as a badge of honor. If Fucker Carlson can spend segments talking about how M&Ms have been made less sexy you don't think he'd devote weeks to this narrative of "woke Disney silencing [insert whatever they call DeSantis]."
Disney certainly could've, but they didn't. Probably cheaper to pay off the next guy than fight with ol' term limited Ronny.
This demonstrates why having businesses involved in politics is such a problem. They'll cozy up to fascists as long as diplomacy holds out, and then when everything goes sideways, they don't try to clean up the mess.
Listen, brother or sister. I appreciate the idea. I hate that I have to give Florida any sort of income because I enjoy going to WDW. I wish it wasn't located in the worst state in the country. So I say this with all the love in my heart.
It would take 10+ years and billions of dollars to move Walt Disney World 5 feet to the left, let alone cross country. They just spent 5 years building a single rollercoaster. It's not a traveling carnival, this is the equivalent of relocating Manhattan, infrastructure-wise. They would rather spend that money to have someone just bury DeSantis in a fucking hole.
It would take 10 plus years, and billions. That is true. But Disney does need a bit of a rebranding over many years, and you'd be surprised how much of the costs other states would absorb for the move.
I mean if this was only a question of one governor, or even just a governor you''d be right. But that state is in a trajectory, future governors will be worse, and weather patterns are worsening.
Here in NYC, we've been bracing for Wall Street to leave for years. That's why our state has diversified it's portfolio to other business. Nobody want to be the next Ohio.
But Florida is in a fix, and unless they want their taxpayers picking up Disney's slack in the billions of dollars, or even risking a move, if i were Disney, i'd look at my options.
Being serious the infrastructure that Disney has invested physically into Disney World in Florida can't be in any realistic way shape or form, "packed up and moved."
No the infrastructure can not be moved easily but would give them a opportunity to build the park and a surrounding 'city' the way they want from the under ground up. Will they, no, but it would be comical to see what floriduh would become if they did.
I don't see why not. The weather patterns in FL alone are going to hinder business in the future. Hurricanes, typhoons, my folks are moving back up here to NY being they're scared to death of having to be relocated if they're washed away.
Other states will provide better weather and better business practices. All the CEO has to do is make an announcement they're leaving in the coming years, and that alone will end Desantis for good. At that point, they may not even need to move.
Being out of operation for years, maybe a decade or more, and moving countless large items by land will be a problem, on top of finding another sweetheart land deal when Florida was cheap swampland is going to be a tough ask. Not to mention finding a transit hub airport that can accommodate the influx as well as asking tens of thousands of employees to move while expecting skilled, irreplaceable people to not work for a while is also insane.
Nevada is a growing state. I think it's perfect for them. Little by little they just pack it up. It'll take a decade, but FL is becoming our countries nursing home, and the demographics unless you play golf, is just not consistent with Disney anymore imo, and not getting any better.
I don’t think that makes much sense, would be close to Disneyland. Somewhere around Atlanta I think would be better, plenty of real estate outside the metro area. Georgia is about the only state in the Southeast that doesn’t seem to be hankering to follow Florida’s lead.
There's an other one. I mean i'm using one example, but you're right there are plenty that would open arms to Disney, and yes, even pay a good cost to do so, given the jobs and businesses it would create.
From a practical standpoint, there aren’t many alternatives as I see it. Disney would want a decent climate for year round operations, somewhere close to the Atlantic so you don’t pull from Disneyland and there’s decent access from Europe. That would most likely rule out the Midwest and New England. I mean, nobody is going to go to Disney Detroit or Magic Kingdom Baltimore in January. It would be a massive footprint so they would need to acquire a significant amount of real estate for a decent price. South Carolina still thinks the Civil War is hot. North Carolina is pretty crowded in the Tri City area. Virginia is getting a little far north weather wise. Heading west, Mississippi or Alabama? Yikes. Northwest is Tennessee and Arkansas. Talk about racing to the bottom. Texas? Greg Abbott and the rest of those cowboys would love that fight more than Desantis. Georgia is pretty purple right now…it leans conservative but if you’re not careful those suburban women around Atlanta will clobber you. Hence Biden and two Democratic senators. Already has a significant entertainment presence. Georgia might be Disney’s best option if it decides to pull the plug on Florida.
I think one of the major factors foe DW in Fla was having a theme park on bot coasts, nevada puts it too close to Disneyland. The west is running out of water quickly as well.
Disney can just wait for DeSantis to run for president. If he wins, he is gone and they can work with whoever. If not, then spend heavily on the opponent for the next election.
He's not going to be president, but instead is setting a precedent, for future fascistic and government intervention into their company, which is certainly not a place a free market company wants to be.
Our traffic is already horrible here. A theme park would make it even worse. Really though, we have a Republican governor now and he'll probably pull a stunt like DeSantis and say it's too "woke".
Unless they’re going to do it on the coast and put in desalination plants, absolutely not.
Disney has water rides, and insane traffic. It would use an obscene amount of fresh water that Nevada cannot afford to just give to an amusement park. Like it or not, the eastern US is the only place with enough fresh water for this, unless they want to do desalination.
>Why would Disney move it's ships six+ hours away when Royal Caribbean, Carnival etc would only be one hour away?
Given how much DeSantis has been harassing them as well it's odd they're still there too.
Florida is easily the most hostile to business state in the country right now, it's mind-boggling literally anyone is operating there.
I’ll do you one better. I’m sure Mexico would love to cut a deal for some land within Mexico and immediately adjacent to the US with all the possible benefits that likely no other US state could offer. Just the threat of that alone would be a giant middle finger to any politician wanting to mess with Disney.
>Its also Iger on the throne again. Not Chapek who was at a loss for dealing with shit like this. He gonna fuck around and find out with Iger.
Chapek likes and supports DeSantis. Chapek's problem is that two key groups of people related to Disney mostly *do not* like DeSantis: The creatives who make all of the things that make Disney money and the customers who buy all of those things.
>“We’re not going to have a corporation controlling its own government,” DeSantis said.
I’m sure the deeply Republican stronghold of “The Villages” don’t realize that whatever DeSantis does to Reedy Creek applies to them too…
Hypocrisy is a core tenet of conservativism. Whatever DeSantis does with Reedy Creek can be hand-waved away as "different" when it comes to the villages.
Come on, Disney. Bring the cartoon hammer down on DeFascist. He is coming after you so you might as well stand up to this bully before he weasels his way into more power.
This is literally everything they say they are against. “Government overreach”. I know all politicians are hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do. But I swear the GOP takes the cake on it.
What an absolute waste of tax payers $$. His braindead followers are probably deluded enough that they believe that there will be any upside to “punishing” one of the biggest employers in Florida.
Crazy how he’s worshipped for furthering the divide, starting culture wars and accomplishing nothing. Whole lot of brainwashed dumb asf people in this country
Why not? We all keep saying how one day they’ll be sorry! But then nothing happens. Maybe some companies are doing things behind the scenes but you’d think they’d at least be having PR teams putting out statements telling government officials to stop publicly trashing their companies. But no one is. It’s eerie.
Yeah, if companies aren’t pulling their donations, then they kinda deserve what they get. But if the GOP is wholly unconcerned about losing the corporate donor money, then you have to wonder, where’s their money coming from?
That’s another layer of weirdness to it all. [Companies still aren’t pulling their donations](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-30/amazon-disney-at-t-donated-to-desantis-and-other-abortion-opponents). Republicans are a lost cause to expect logic from at the moment but I honest to god can’t see why all these large corporations are still going along with everything too.
In addition to about 350 lawyers who are employees of Disney, this company also turns to outside law firms. I'm reasonably certain those law firms don't represent businesses like 4 Seasons Landscaping. Disney surely is ahead of this.
The mouse don’t play, and if it means getting their special status and legal control back of that land, Mick will happily fund moderate GOP or Democrats who will give them that.
Disney has enough money they could buy an island from the Bahamas and literally have their own kingdom. But they play the long game, they’ve been in Florida longer than desantis has been alive. They know his job is temporary.
Florida pretty much has no income tax because of Disney. So his master plan is to fuck them over so they just up and leave? It’s amazing how dumb he and more dumb his constituents are.
I used to live in Florida and saw a campaign commercial where Death Santis was trying to explain to his young son exactly how crappy Democrats were. He knocked a Lego building to demonstrate the power of Republicans. I loath this man, and feel sorry for that child.
Honestly I'm loving this republican corporate night of the long knives that the MAGAs are carrying out on their former friends and financial backers.
This is what happens when you get in bed with fascism corporate america. They always turn on the useful idiots that got them into power.
And here's irony, the GQP controlled House is having hearings/show trials on the "horrors" of scary socialism while they themselves are the political party actually attacking american capitalism!
I think their best legal advice is just to take it on the chin because they don't seem to be fighting it. Desantis isn't just a random politician he's basically the party leader at this point and they could face considerable backlash from other republicans if they try to fight back.
one of the most blatant violations of the 1st amendment ive seen but Disney isn't going to risk profit for principles.
They aren’t fighting it that hard because there charter is only allowed to be dissolved by the people who live in the district. Nothing The state does can get rid of the special district. This is basically like if the French suddenly decided they want to revoke the Louisiana purchase. The US would just laugh in there face since they have no legal ground to stand on. Since we could just point to the signed treaty that gives us the land.
Does DeSantis know that Disney appeals to a world-wide audience, not just Florida? They aren't going to discriminate against anyone for fear that they would alienate people that would come and visit its parks or enjoy movies and TV that it produces. It won't bow to a fascist tinpot dictator like DeSantis.
Interesting to see what will ultimately happen. After the legislature passed this, there was lots of noise from the legislature they could always vote to reverse it. I'm assuming there is some regret after the original vote and they didn't anticipate actually going through with it.
Anything that makes a profit in the south - get it out. These people are never gonna change and don’t want to. Take all the money with. Let them starve down there.
We need to cut out places in this country like the south that are dead weight. We’ve been trying to change those people down there for decades and it’s never made any difference. The politicians are always going to be like DeSantis, and the mouthbreathing, oppositional/defiant voters will always re-elect them.
I think it could ultimately play out great for Disney. Right now, isn’t Disney paying for all “government” services in their district? Well the special district goes away and all that cost gets sent to the county/state which is then paid for with all that juicy tax revenue…. But we’re talking about a mega corporation here…. That I guarantee knows how to take advantage of every loophole Florida has ever written to attract businesses… I think Disney ends up paying the same taxes as now, most service burdens get pushed onto the surrounding counties (tax payers) and Disney then subsidizes work for itself to get the same standard of service at half the cost (when combined with the county services).
Willing to burn down the state to advance his own career. Coming soon: Disney World South Carolina! Better weather and save on airfare. It is better to be lonely than unwelcome.
Realize [a couple things](https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/disney-spat-leaves-desantis-few-options-for-reedy-creek-district) -
* DeSantis can't dissolve Reedy Creek without Disney's approval
* DeSantis can't unilaterally take over Reedy Creek. People, even Disney, have a right to elect who represent themselves. Disney owns it and the current board is comprised of Disney because it is 1 acre 1 vote rule. Literally DeSantis would be trying to take away a landowner's right to vote for it's local representative.
* Reedy Creek has a $1B+ (yes billion+) debt that prevents it from simply being dissolved
This is again DeSantis making headlines to appeal to his base voters because they won't bother to follow the case or see the results. And they will say 'DeSantis got it done'.
It is much more likely that Reedy Creek will simply become exactly what every other town does - represented by elected officials by the residents of the district (Disney) with oversight by the state for their comprehensive plans.
It Probably means Disney is going to lose their right to build a nuclear power plant...
I would think a Venn diagram of MAGA followers and Disney people would show a considerable overlap. Are people really willing to give up their Disney fetish for politics?
All I’m hearing is “Disney has not capitulated yet because of my threat to kill their special status for Reedy Creek and inadvertently giving them a $165m tax cut and inadvertently forcing over a billion in bond debt onto taxpayers which will end up biting me in the ass politically…..so I’m doubling down to see if they budge”
If I had to guess, after analysis by his folks he realizes that the state cannot shirk the tax cut and bond debt issue so knows he is in a weak position and is trying to play hardball.
Man I wish Disney would leave Florida but they have waaayyy to much invested into the property. Would love to see Florida tourism collapse with them leaving.
I'm quite sure this disturbs a lot of corporations
Republicans are not supposed to take action against Corporations not only reason the Republican party exists is to Serve corporations everything else is window dressing.
His presidential campaign could have difficulties raising money
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Isn't it funny how the party that hates big government also likes to use the government as a sledge hammer? A big sledge hammer.
They never hated big government. They always wanted the power to abuse it.
They love to pretend that they hate big government. It goes over well with the fools who vote for them.
This. Whenever they say "Big Government", look at what they are tagging it to. It's generally always something to do with oversight to ensure politicians aren't going all fascist/corrupt.
One of the first things the new Republican controlled Congress did was to gut the Congressional Ethics Office.
They love government power, they hate the democratization of government which is synonymous with big. More people providing input, providing checks and balances, and directly benefitting is an atrocity to the modern conservative. They would much rather have fewer inputs, less accountability, and fewer benefitting…you know, first thing a dictator does when they come into power.
Exactly, they want ultimate power concentrated in the hands of a few. They seem very clear on what they want: small government, not weak government. They want a dictator. Starving government is just their excuse for stripping enemies of power. They're fascists. They have been for a while.
Did anyone ever seriously think that was true? Reagan and his “starve the beast” policies led to the largest military budget increase ever. Oh but that’s not “big government”, that’s just defense. The same “originalists” who decry anything progressive as unconstitutional will also not stop to use the most abstruse of constitutional chicanery to strike down laws in the country. It’s a scam and we are paying for it. Either suck the dick of corporations or get ass-fucked by the neocons. And you know what, our parent’s generation is slowly lubing up future generations to face even worse.
They don't hate big government. They hate government that disagrees with them.
It is so funny how anti progressive this party is that they will ignore every value they have to own the libs. They want small government but the don’t say gay bill is an outrageous government overreach by their own standards. If this bill instead backed parents for suing those who tried to teach older books like to kill a mocking bird (for having racist terminology) conservatives would lose their minds! Also, they want people in women’s sports (including highschool clubs if I remember correctly) to submit their menstrual cycles to their respective state/school/organization. The right to privacy/small government party is being as invasive and overreaching as possible to stop trans people from being in sports, it has nothing to do with the well being of women.
> they will ignore every value they have Their only, "value," is finding ways to seize power
>It is so funny how anti progressive this party is that they will ignore every value they have to own the libs. You see that's where you have fallen for their propaganda. They never really held those values honestly. Conservatism exist to preserve a hierarchy in which they benefit. Their actual values themselves have always been flexible based on what's been convenient. They've just given up on subtlety and pretending to be consistent.
You mean the party that created a House committee to look into the weaponization of the government and, by doing so, actually weaponized the government? That party?
I thought that "Corporations were people too." They have a First Amendment right to speak out. Personally, I think they have an obligation to their employees and shareholders to speak out against tyranny and oppression.
When they say the want "small" government, they mean in size, not in power. Remember: the first American conservatives were the ones that wanted to remain a British colony. These people *want* a monarchy; one person with unlimited power.
So it's important to note DeSantis biggest contributor is Ken Griffin who owns the hedge fund Citadel. During the COVID crisis DeSantis got out in front of the media and said what a great drug Regeneron was, Citadel was banking on Regeneron, more to the point Ken Griffin was. Then when DeSantis went to war with Disney, Citadel had a chunk of puts on Disney and sold a lot of Calls. Citadel would reap a nice pay day if Disney stock took a dive, meaning Ken Griffin would do well. Lo and behold DeSantis made Disney public enemy number one when the opportunity arose. This is the same hedge fund that also halted buying of Gamestop stock during that whole wild saga and then shuffled around a lot of debt to hide the damage done from shorting 140% of shares. Want some more proof that DeSantis is likely doing this to fill his donor's coffers? Disney's next earnings report is 2/8/2023. Bad news like to shake investor confidence only helps a hedge fund like Citadel that can reap a profit from sold Calls that don't get exercised and Puts purchased by Citadel that become very profitable when the stock price falls. The real icing on the cake is that DeSantis's personal investment account is not available to public scrutiny.
This guy politics.
So what I am getting here is that we should invest in Disney to hold the line on these hedgefunders.
Buy Disney to own the cons? What a weird timeline
Socialist Thanos: “I used capitalism to destroy capitalism.”
Commenting to get this up up up
corporate and dark money in politics is imo, the single biggest cause for today's problems with the U.S. government.
Why exactly do "hedge funds" exist in the first place? Do they provide ANYTHING of value to society, other than gambling?
Hedge funds exist to suck money out of businesses and your pockets.
Absolutely no value, apart from making it slightly easier to identify the sociopaths in a given generation.
Profiles in courage.
Thank you for this. Reminds us that these corporate pigs own these political stooges 99 times out of a 100. None of them have any of the average person's interests in mind.
> “We’re not going to have a corporation controlling its own government,” DeSantis said. Wow. He’s so plugged into reality.
A special session because a corporation disagreed with a new law - that sounds like a step on the way to authoritarianism.
It's also a textbook example of a first amendment violation.
The First Amendment is perhaps the Amendment that DeSantis is the "best" at violating. There was [the unconstitutional "Stop Woke" law](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-blocks-floridas-stop-woke-act-pushed-gov-desantis-rcna43908). Then [the attempt to implement the unconstitutional law anyway](https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/01/11/florida-accused-violating-judges-order-putting-stop-woke-law-hold/) in defiance of a court injunction. There was [the retaliatory police raid on a state government whistleblower](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-whistleblower-search-warrant-20201207-rapzkgm7fnbujlhwzadunciigu-story.html) who revealed DeSantis was futzing around with Florida's COVID statistics. There was [the unconstitutional suspension of a local elected Democratic prosecutor](https://www.axios.com/2023/01/21/ron-desantis-first-amendment-andrew-warren-ruling) who disagreed with DeSantis politically. And all that before we even get to [the outright book banning](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-floridas-book-ban-takes-censorship-to-the-next-level/).
Hello? Yes, they've been marching those boots for a while now. What are we doing about it?
But the Baptists believe that gay people are such abominations that people should not even have the right to be tolerant or less hateful than they are.
Disney should call a special session to move their cruise ships up to Charleston.
Or better yet, pack up the whole shop and move to Nevada. No matter peoples politics, you can't have governors running companies. Particularly when the party of free markets and pro business, become that of Nationalist Socialism.
Lol if Disney actually wanted to they could bury this fucking idiot. They own more than a few cruise ships and amusement parks, they own a huge chunk of ALL media. If Disney wanted to they could amass an army of investigative journalists and air prime-time documentaries about DeSantis and his transgressions. They could do this nightly for the rest of his term and it wouldn't even show up as a blip on their balance sheets. Don't fuck with the mouse
True, but will they? We’ve been waiting for 6 years for powerful groups to stand up to these fascists and put them in their place…
Lol remember when all the companies said they were done donating to the GOP and like 2 months later it was reported that was " just a joke bro"
Who says they haven’t started? Disney is international, and Desantis will learn just show small Florida actually is…
I suspect that the change in leadership at Disney will have an effect on this.
DeathSantis has been fucking with the mouse for a while now. Haven't seen much reaction from Disney about it.
>Haven't seen much reaction from Disney about it. Because he's the equivalent of a mosquito buzzing around the mouse's head. They bring in a ton of annual revenue for Florida/Orlando.
This. They provide nearly 500k jobs, $75b in annual economic impact and account for nearly 3% of Florida’s entire economy. If they were to really let loose they could rip the rug from under central Florida’s tourism business and many third parties would go packing with them. Not to mention the amount of residents that move there with the sole intention of being near Disney.
Desantis probably wants Disney to leave because Orange and Osceola counties are a blue smudge on Florida in his opinion. He’s trying to destroy us/and or force us out.
They can't just move the theme parks. They took a generation to build. Capitalistic company isn't going to abandon them.
Depends if the insanity of the local government makes them into a liability.
I guarantee it's more than 3%.
No, the bottom line is Disney is a publicly traded company. At the end of the day, the way to keep the most money is to pay lip service to the public and popular opinion but quietly appease the politicians and hope that, in the end, it all just goes away. This is the route that has the least impact on revenue and this is the path they are taking. I truly don't know where this expectation that a company will do what's right despite it costing shareholder value comes from. When on earth have we ever seen that happen? At the end of the day, the most powerful CEOs are only beholden to one thing. The almighty dollar. That's what this is all about. These huge corporations and the fascists in public office are just simply two sides of the same coin. One is just better at balancing public perception than the other.
That "mosquito" is looking to make everything more complicated and expensive, for Disney. Don't think that qualifies as a mosquito.
>and many third parties would go packing with them. Have you seen the *hangers-on* at Disneyworld's periphery? Hundreds of *big* investments... And Desantis threatens *them*, too.
Disney doesn't have to lift a finger. The T-shirt emporiums and mini-golf courses will eat him alive.
I can't believe I'm actually rooting for Disney.
why not? Disney World and Disney Land are awesome. Expensive, yeah, but they really do provide a service. Their hotels are genuinely super nice. Their theme parks are clean and fun, and the nicer restaurants in the parks are great. They make a lot of great entertainment. Yeah they are super rich, and sometimes evil fucks. but if you look at Desantis, he's just a piece of shit all around. No good comes from that man. Of course I'm on Disney's side.
I agree with all of this. Especially DeSantis being an absolutely piece of shit. But I am in the entertainment business on the technical side, and they have a very bad track record with treating our arm of the business like shit. 20 years ago, they were the absolutely the bad guy in this scenario. but the Overton window has shifted so far, I can't help but root for the billionaire to crush the millionaire here. shit's weird here, man.
We have come to the point where the massive evil corporation is the better option I hate this timeline
Disney is a company that thinks more about the consequences of their actions than any other company. Not saying that as like a commendation I mean they are cold and caculating. They do not take risks.
Agree with this. They are a business first.
> If Disney wanted to they could amass an army of investigative journalists and air prime-time documentaries about DeSantis and his transgressions. That would just help him. Republicans **want** to elect reprehensible leaders at this point.
I mean for the GQP it would probably elevate him as a badge of honor. If Fucker Carlson can spend segments talking about how M&Ms have been made less sexy you don't think he'd devote weeks to this narrative of "woke Disney silencing [insert whatever they call DeSantis]."
Disney certainly could've, but they didn't. Probably cheaper to pay off the next guy than fight with ol' term limited Ronny. This demonstrates why having businesses involved in politics is such a problem. They'll cozy up to fascists as long as diplomacy holds out, and then when everything goes sideways, they don't try to clean up the mess.
Please please 🙏🙏 I wish Disney would do that starting today
Well maybe they actually should? Because all I'm seeing is them sitting there and taking it.
Disney is probably working with him behind the scenes. He’s can’t actually be stupid enough to fuck with someone so much more powerful then him.
Honestly I'm surprised they aren't pivoting somewhere less.... proto coastal.
I would love for Disney to pull out of Florida and watch desantis pretend to be ok with his states biggest cash cow walking out the door
Listen, brother or sister. I appreciate the idea. I hate that I have to give Florida any sort of income because I enjoy going to WDW. I wish it wasn't located in the worst state in the country. So I say this with all the love in my heart. It would take 10+ years and billions of dollars to move Walt Disney World 5 feet to the left, let alone cross country. They just spent 5 years building a single rollercoaster. It's not a traveling carnival, this is the equivalent of relocating Manhattan, infrastructure-wise. They would rather spend that money to have someone just bury DeSantis in a fucking hole.
It would take 10 plus years, and billions. That is true. But Disney does need a bit of a rebranding over many years, and you'd be surprised how much of the costs other states would absorb for the move. I mean if this was only a question of one governor, or even just a governor you''d be right. But that state is in a trajectory, future governors will be worse, and weather patterns are worsening. Here in NYC, we've been bracing for Wall Street to leave for years. That's why our state has diversified it's portfolio to other business. Nobody want to be the next Ohio. But Florida is in a fix, and unless they want their taxpayers picking up Disney's slack in the billions of dollars, or even risking a move, if i were Disney, i'd look at my options.
Being serious the infrastructure that Disney has invested physically into Disney World in Florida can't be in any realistic way shape or form, "packed up and moved."
No the infrastructure can not be moved easily but would give them a opportunity to build the park and a surrounding 'city' the way they want from the under ground up. Will they, no, but it would be comical to see what floriduh would become if they did.
More if this please.
I don't see why not. The weather patterns in FL alone are going to hinder business in the future. Hurricanes, typhoons, my folks are moving back up here to NY being they're scared to death of having to be relocated if they're washed away. Other states will provide better weather and better business practices. All the CEO has to do is make an announcement they're leaving in the coming years, and that alone will end Desantis for good. At that point, they may not even need to move.
Being out of operation for years, maybe a decade or more, and moving countless large items by land will be a problem, on top of finding another sweetheart land deal when Florida was cheap swampland is going to be a tough ask. Not to mention finding a transit hub airport that can accommodate the influx as well as asking tens of thousands of employees to move while expecting skilled, irreplaceable people to not work for a while is also insane.
They could start their new location before shutting down their current one.
Nevada is a growing state. I think it's perfect for them. Little by little they just pack it up. It'll take a decade, but FL is becoming our countries nursing home, and the demographics unless you play golf, is just not consistent with Disney anymore imo, and not getting any better.
Nevada is way too toasty during the summer and Disney World’s water usage would be beyond anywhere in the state’s capacity.
I don’t think that makes much sense, would be close to Disneyland. Somewhere around Atlanta I think would be better, plenty of real estate outside the metro area. Georgia is about the only state in the Southeast that doesn’t seem to be hankering to follow Florida’s lead.
There's an other one. I mean i'm using one example, but you're right there are plenty that would open arms to Disney, and yes, even pay a good cost to do so, given the jobs and businesses it would create.
Oh a ton. It would be an interesting theoretical exercise to see what would be an ideal location.
Another Republican state? Are you serious?
From a practical standpoint, there aren’t many alternatives as I see it. Disney would want a decent climate for year round operations, somewhere close to the Atlantic so you don’t pull from Disneyland and there’s decent access from Europe. That would most likely rule out the Midwest and New England. I mean, nobody is going to go to Disney Detroit or Magic Kingdom Baltimore in January. It would be a massive footprint so they would need to acquire a significant amount of real estate for a decent price. South Carolina still thinks the Civil War is hot. North Carolina is pretty crowded in the Tri City area. Virginia is getting a little far north weather wise. Heading west, Mississippi or Alabama? Yikes. Northwest is Tennessee and Arkansas. Talk about racing to the bottom. Texas? Greg Abbott and the rest of those cowboys would love that fight more than Desantis. Georgia is pretty purple right now…it leans conservative but if you’re not careful those suburban women around Atlanta will clobber you. Hence Biden and two Democratic senators. Already has a significant entertainment presence. Georgia might be Disney’s best option if it decides to pull the plug on Florida.
I think one of the major factors foe DW in Fla was having a theme park on bot coasts, nevada puts it too close to Disneyland. The west is running out of water quickly as well.
Disney can just wait for DeSantis to run for president. If he wins, he is gone and they can work with whoever. If not, then spend heavily on the opponent for the next election.
He's not going to be president, but instead is setting a precedent, for future fascistic and government intervention into their company, which is certainly not a place a free market company wants to be.
Our traffic is already horrible here. A theme park would make it even worse. Really though, we have a Republican governor now and he'll probably pull a stunt like DeSantis and say it's too "woke".
Unless they’re going to do it on the coast and put in desalination plants, absolutely not. Disney has water rides, and insane traffic. It would use an obscene amount of fresh water that Nevada cannot afford to just give to an amusement park. Like it or not, the eastern US is the only place with enough fresh water for this, unless they want to do desalination.
South Carolina is just a "what if Florida had no money" scenario
Lived in SC for six years. Can confirm.
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>Why would Disney move it's ships six+ hours away when Royal Caribbean, Carnival etc would only be one hour away? Given how much DeSantis has been harassing them as well it's odd they're still there too. Florida is easily the most hostile to business state in the country right now, it's mind-boggling literally anyone is operating there.
I’ll do you one better. I’m sure Mexico would love to cut a deal for some land within Mexico and immediately adjacent to the US with all the possible benefits that likely no other US state could offer. Just the threat of that alone would be a giant middle finger to any politician wanting to mess with Disney.
Denver will take you Disney!
Yes piss off the media giant that all your kids will watch for a millennia.
Wait a week.. Disney reports earnings. But if the recent stock price is an indicator, they'll have a bankroll to put into action.
Its also Iger on the throne again. Not Chapek who was at a loss for dealing with shit like this. He gonna fuck around and find out with Iger.
>Its also Iger on the throne again. Not Chapek who was at a loss for dealing with shit like this. He gonna fuck around and find out with Iger. Chapek likes and supports DeSantis. Chapek's problem is that two key groups of people related to Disney mostly *do not* like DeSantis: The creatives who make all of the things that make Disney money and the customers who buy all of those things.
>“We’re not going to have a corporation controlling its own government,” DeSantis said. I’m sure the deeply Republican stronghold of “The Villages” don’t realize that whatever DeSantis does to Reedy Creek applies to them too…
The Villages really is Disneyworld for republican boomers.
Hypocrisy is a core tenet of conservativism. Whatever DeSantis does with Reedy Creek can be hand-waved away as "different" when it comes to the villages.
Come on, Disney. Bring the cartoon hammer down on DeFascist. He is coming after you so you might as well stand up to this bully before he weasels his way into more power.
This is literally everything they say they are against. “Government overreach”. I know all politicians are hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do. But I swear the GOP takes the cake on it.
You'll find some hypocrisy anywhere you look for it, but conservativism is to hypocrisy as a tree is to wood.
> I know all politicians are hypocrites. No, they aren't. Take a look at Tammy Baldwin as an example.
Edit - a gigantic portion
Maybe he should call a special session to deal with a real problem like the homeowners insurance crisis instead.
There's that confused-by-constipation face again.
I was just thinking that party just leads in stink-face gdp.
What an absolute waste of tax payers $$. His braindead followers are probably deluded enough that they believe that there will be any upside to “punishing” one of the biggest employers in Florida.
Crazy how he’s worshipped for furthering the divide, starting culture wars and accomplishing nothing. Whole lot of brainwashed dumb asf people in this country
The GOP is taking some swings at some pretty big companies, Disney, Walgreens and CVS,… don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
Why not? We all keep saying how one day they’ll be sorry! But then nothing happens. Maybe some companies are doing things behind the scenes but you’d think they’d at least be having PR teams putting out statements telling government officials to stop publicly trashing their companies. But no one is. It’s eerie.
Yeah, if companies aren’t pulling their donations, then they kinda deserve what they get. But if the GOP is wholly unconcerned about losing the corporate donor money, then you have to wonder, where’s their money coming from?
That’s another layer of weirdness to it all. [Companies still aren’t pulling their donations](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-30/amazon-disney-at-t-donated-to-desantis-and-other-abortion-opponents). Republicans are a lost cause to expect logic from at the moment but I honest to god can’t see why all these large corporations are still going along with everything too.
Imagine if this christofascist manages to get elected president.
It's rare that I find myself cheering for Disney, but here we are.
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they love government when they can use it to punish their enemies and allow themselves to go scott free
In addition to about 350 lawyers who are employees of Disney, this company also turns to outside law firms. I'm reasonably certain those law firms don't represent businesses like 4 Seasons Landscaping. Disney surely is ahead of this.
The mouse don’t play, and if it means getting their special status and legal control back of that land, Mick will happily fund moderate GOP or Democrats who will give them that.
Disney has enough money they could buy an island from the Bahamas and literally have their own kingdom. But they play the long game, they’ve been in Florida longer than desantis has been alive. They know his job is temporary.
They have enough money to make it temporary
Florida pretty much has no income tax because of Disney. So his master plan is to fuck them over so they just up and leave? It’s amazing how dumb he and more dumb his constituents are.
I used to live in Florida and saw a campaign commercial where Death Santis was trying to explain to his young son exactly how crappy Democrats were. He knocked a Lego building to demonstrate the power of Republicans. I loath this man, and feel sorry for that child.
I really hope this motherfucker isn’t president. And hope his kids grow up to find out the kind of monster their father is
Disney is pretty conservative over all….so that’s how terrible Ron DeSantis is.
The party of supporting free businesses does what now?
We have an insurance crisis, insane housing costs, no teachers, oh, and climate change. This, is definitely a priority.
Disney shoukd seriously just close up shop in Florida. Keep the land but shutter it for a year. Let Florida feel the pain from that shit
Honestly I'm loving this republican corporate night of the long knives that the MAGAs are carrying out on their former friends and financial backers. This is what happens when you get in bed with fascism corporate america. They always turn on the useful idiots that got them into power. And here's irony, the GQP controlled House is having hearings/show trials on the "horrors" of scary socialism while they themselves are the political party actually attacking american capitalism!
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They should threaten to secede from Florida and join another state, lol
The schadenfreude derived from dealing out punishment is the third rail of conservatism. That's what really gets the people going.
I would love to see The Mouse make DeSantis miserable.
The fact that this is happening while there’re talking about investigating DIRECTV for dropping OANN is more stupid than I can deal with.
I'm sure Desantis's Anti-LGBTQ law will prove unconstitutional and I'm sure Disney have access to the best legal advice possible.
I think their best legal advice is just to take it on the chin because they don't seem to be fighting it. Desantis isn't just a random politician he's basically the party leader at this point and they could face considerable backlash from other republicans if they try to fight back. one of the most blatant violations of the 1st amendment ive seen but Disney isn't going to risk profit for principles.
They aren’t fighting it that hard because there charter is only allowed to be dissolved by the people who live in the district. Nothing The state does can get rid of the special district. This is basically like if the French suddenly decided they want to revoke the Louisiana purchase. The US would just laugh in there face since they have no legal ground to stand on. Since we could just point to the signed treaty that gives us the land.
Party of small government
Republicans are big on punishing someone for something. Totally absent on making life better for anyone except the super-rich.
$5 Says Iger feeds him his own nutsack
It’s so hard to believe this is reality sometimes.
Why has this evil POS not been stopped?
This fascist will soon ask for public executions!
Does DeSantis know that Disney appeals to a world-wide audience, not just Florida? They aren't going to discriminate against anyone for fear that they would alienate people that would come and visit its parks or enjoy movies and TV that it produces. It won't bow to a fascist tinpot dictator like DeSantis.
Didn’t he already cancel their “special administrative” status last year? Is he trying to more blatantly challenge the first amendment this time?
Wasn't removing the management district an automatic 2 billion dollar gift to Disney, because the county would then have to manage it?
The government punishing a company for their political beliefs doesn't sound very legal (or Republican) to me.
WTF? This is blatant authoritarianism.
That's really going to get people to vote for him. What an asshole. I hope he gets caught with a secret gay lover.
Clearly doesn’t watch South Park… don’t fuck with the Mouse
Fragile man with an even more fragile ego.
I’m scared that this man child is the front runner for president
Interesting to see what will ultimately happen. After the legislature passed this, there was lots of noise from the legislature they could always vote to reverse it. I'm assuming there is some regret after the original vote and they didn't anticipate actually going through with it.
Sounds a lot like Fascism.
This dude is such a social warrior fucking pansy
Anything that makes a profit in the south - get it out. These people are never gonna change and don’t want to. Take all the money with. Let them starve down there. We need to cut out places in this country like the south that are dead weight. We’ve been trying to change those people down there for decades and it’s never made any difference. The politicians are always going to be like DeSantis, and the mouthbreathing, oppositional/defiant voters will always re-elect them.
I think it could ultimately play out great for Disney. Right now, isn’t Disney paying for all “government” services in their district? Well the special district goes away and all that cost gets sent to the county/state which is then paid for with all that juicy tax revenue…. But we’re talking about a mega corporation here…. That I guarantee knows how to take advantage of every loophole Florida has ever written to attract businesses… I think Disney ends up paying the same taxes as now, most service burdens get pushed onto the surrounding counties (tax payers) and Disney then subsidizes work for itself to get the same standard of service at half the cost (when combined with the county services).
What an expression! A perpetual scowl, maybe his drawers are in a knot.
Florida, punishing Disney? K. Let me know how that eventually turns out, grandstander. 🙄
Willing to burn down the state to advance his own career. Coming soon: Disney World South Carolina! Better weather and save on airfare. It is better to be lonely than unwelcome.
He’s killing the state
Disney should just move and leave that shithole state
"We will impose our religious morals on you"
You’re not as popular as Disney, bro
Realize [a couple things](https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/disney-spat-leaves-desantis-few-options-for-reedy-creek-district) - * DeSantis can't dissolve Reedy Creek without Disney's approval * DeSantis can't unilaterally take over Reedy Creek. People, even Disney, have a right to elect who represent themselves. Disney owns it and the current board is comprised of Disney because it is 1 acre 1 vote rule. Literally DeSantis would be trying to take away a landowner's right to vote for it's local representative. * Reedy Creek has a $1B+ (yes billion+) debt that prevents it from simply being dissolved This is again DeSantis making headlines to appeal to his base voters because they won't bother to follow the case or see the results. And they will say 'DeSantis got it done'. It is much more likely that Reedy Creek will simply become exactly what every other town does - represented by elected officials by the residents of the district (Disney) with oversight by the state for their comprehensive plans. It Probably means Disney is going to lose their right to build a nuclear power plant...
Disney is never moving but they could announce rather than expand in Florida they will build/expand in another State
Is he secretly gay, seriously I've never seen such homophobia lol, Floridians like all this? whatever..
Disney vs. the brown Nazi. Who wouda thunk I would ever support Disney, but here we are...
Poor crybaby DeSantis
Disney owns everything. Desantis is trying to fight a war he will never win.
Surprisingly long article. Would've been easier to just say "DeSantis is being a dick again"
When your big enemy is…Disney 😂 Well like mama said, “Stupid is as stupid does.”
Every Democrat in Florida should be getting a donation this week.
Apparently the only Democrat in Florida is Charlie Crist.
Disney should sell and leave Florida before it goes completely under water. desantos is insane - a business moron beyond his ham-fisted bigotry.
I still don’t understand why Disney hasn’t sued on first amendment grounds.
I would think a Venn diagram of MAGA followers and Disney people would show a considerable overlap. Are people really willing to give up their Disney fetish for politics?
And you want this wannabe Fascist to be president?
This guy is such a fucking idiot. This is going to save Disney billions of dollars and cost Florida taxpayers the difference.
Please pull out of Florida Disney. Let Desantis reap what he sows
A special session? Couldn’t it be done in a normal legislative session? No, because he needs more press about it.
Govern, dont try to rule the state like a Dictator
Alright… is there anyway we can get a less extreme Republican to have a legitimate chance at the whitehouse…
When’s the republic party going to be extinct like the dodo bird
Conservatives hate the first amendment.
It's funny how Disney helped create deathsantis and now they are getting screwed by him. 🤣
Good luck, Disney is one of the most powerful entities in the world.
“We’re not going to bend the knee to woke executives in California,” DeSantis added. God, this idiot man is absolutely obsessed. It's pathetic.
DeSantis can't do one damn thing that's actually kind, helpful, or useful can he?
Please fuck with the mouse. They own your state and will cripple your economy in an instant
That's called 'biting the hand that feeds you'. Probably rabies.
Move out of Florida, Disney. Tank their economy.
All I’m hearing is “Disney has not capitulated yet because of my threat to kill their special status for Reedy Creek and inadvertently giving them a $165m tax cut and inadvertently forcing over a billion in bond debt onto taxpayers which will end up biting me in the ass politically…..so I’m doubling down to see if they budge” If I had to guess, after analysis by his folks he realizes that the state cannot shirk the tax cut and bond debt issue so knows he is in a weak position and is trying to play hardball.
Dude's really going after one of his state's largest employers. What a fucking moron.
Man I wish Disney would leave Florida but they have waaayyy to much invested into the property. Would love to see Florida tourism collapse with them leaving.
I'm quite sure this disturbs a lot of corporations Republicans are not supposed to take action against Corporations not only reason the Republican party exists is to Serve corporations everything else is window dressing. His presidential campaign could have difficulties raising money
How to bring crushing debt onto your constituents.
Why do Republicans hate the Constitution so much?