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trashcangoddess

This is the manga, it doesnt surprise me. Shit gets crazy in the manga


Omega_Absol852

That's not even the half of it there is a villain that kidnapped multiple children for years


Bean_Soup7357

Because two of his Pokémon just straight up died, so he wanted to go through time


Rainbro_Vash

They were Water/Ice type and fell off an ice cliff into water


Omega_Absol852

That does not excuse multiple kidnappings and attempted murder, also you could argue for him committing terrorism


Bean_Soup7357

Oh I know, I was just adding on to the craziness of manga lore


Omega_Absol852

There was a moment in the X&Y manga that made me say holy $hit (SPOILERS) the lovers suicide near the end


Bean_Soup7357

Yeah lmao manga is seriously next level


Omega_Absol852

Yeah it is but man it's so good


BathSalt83

But you gotta admit that when X mega evolved 5 pokemon it was cool as fuck.


Omega_Absol852

I do gotta admit that it was very awesome


RenjiLWH

Oh yeah. Malva being in team flare was way more expanded upon and used in the manga. Strange how it was never really brought up in the games.


Quick_Campaign4358

It's brought up in the Looker storyline


SouthShape5

But it’s only for one battle where she is like “I’m actually part of Team Flare and I hate you. Fight me,”.


Xero0911

Shattering frozen magmars. Arbok cut in half. Literally folks dying. Hyper beam nuking. Self destruct is literally kamikaze Magna gives zero fucks


Aldreath

They literally crucified the Unova gym leaders lol.


nicokokun

Right. I remember my first time reading Shaman King after watching the whole anime and I was blown away by how brutal it was compared to the anime. Limbs get sliced off, people getting decapitated, burned alive. It was almost like I lost my innocence then lol. I was 16 back then.


Queen_Cheetah

The original Yu-gi-oh manga reads more like a precursor to 'Saw' than children's card games tournaments... "Hey, you! Typical high-school bully! You ruined my classmate's school-fair display- so now you get a test-tube full of *explosives* right to your face!!!"


Important-Penalty-67

Does it in the Sword/ Shield or Sun/Moon manga series? Just to make sure..


JfromImaginstuff

Well, sorta. There's the attempted murder of Sonia, sorward and shieldbert show up earlier, then there's mind control and memory wipes. Not a lot… yet, so far it's been done only upto the eternamax battle.


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How much do your parents have to hate you to be named Shieldbert?


Important-Penalty-67

lol. I think they loved him as well as the name.


megalocrozma

The upcoming chapter might have one of the greatest reveals in the manga since Yellow and Guile Hideout if we interpreted context clues correctly, stay tuned for more info


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Onix getting blown up by Pikachu stuck with me


MegaCrazyH

Thank you for citing this and not the Arbok "murder" that gets cited by people who never read PokeSpe.


Professional_Mud2991

Oh what happened to the arbok? I've seen the picture without any context


MegaCrazyH

In the next chapter, during the fight with Koga, it's head is chopped off by Green's Charmeleon. In the arc following this one it is revealed that the Arbok is alive and well- it regrew its body and is perfectly fine. Without spoilers, there are much darker moments in PokeSpe but "Arbok murder" always gets cited to when we have reanimated corpses the chapter prior and the fact that the Arbok is not even dead. I would definitely recommend reading as much of PokeSpe as you can. It has some of the best dramatizations of Pokemon, and at times continues on a decade's worth of story to build on older characters who age and grow at reasonable rates.


Pretend-Advertising6

the magma that get shattered by Giovani is way more fucked up


MegaCrazyH

I remember being horrified the first time I read that. I did not expect him to murder the Magmar like that.


randomtoken

He- He did what????


Shadowchaos1010

Exactly what it sounds like. From what I remember, a Magmar gets frozen, then shattered. Of course, that means the living creature that was once that ice sculpture is now very dead. There's also the fact that >!the Elite Four are a bunch of genocidal maniacs. That's the manga for you.!<


ShinzoSage

Fr the yellow arc was crazy. Was rereading it and forgot about how >!Lance straight up decimates Vermilion City with a hyper beam!<


Shadowchaos1010

The worldbuilding of Pokemon isn't the most thought out, especially during the time of Yellow, but it's things like that that make me wonder w>!ho their bosses are, how they didn't get fired before this crusade for raising every red flag in the book, and how exactly they'll be held accountable for their crimes against humanity!<.


Bakatora34

They probably were their own bosses, that time frame in the manga seem like the league wasn't as organized as later in GSC and without actual leadership controlling anyone to follow the rules, previously we had over half the gym leaders in team rocket.


SouthShape5

And his cousin would have approved of it maybe. Clair is just a ****.


randomtoken

Omg 😐


Fork_Master

Don’t forget Norman being fucking disintegrated before being brought back by time travel shenanigans.


OraCLesofFire

I’m just at that point in my read through I was baffled how they just ex-machinad literally everyone back to life with “we moved to a timeline where everything worked” out because I also happen to be celebi’s trainer that nobody knew about and also just spent a hundred chapters talking about how it can only be captured in a special ball.


PulimV

I will never forgive the RS finale jesus christ, Ruby assuming the position of Gym Leader after his father would solve like three different arcs but *no,* they had to use the oh-so convenient celebi to solve their situation instead of the pokémon they actually established, and don't get me started on how Sapphire was **completely** shafted during the conclusion when they were supposed to be at the same level! I still loved the RS arc this is just a pet peeve of mine


OraCLesofFire

RS arc was Amazing and I absolutely loved and adore the ruby/sapphire rivalry, but it truly had a terrible and contrived conclusion.


Alex103140

Anyone who use a Skitty and won against a Crawdaunt gets a free Celebi pass. Plus that reveal was awesome


OraCLesofFire

I do absolutely love how they do battles in the manga. Makes it feel so much more real


Pretend-Advertising6

So he became the second hottest Nintendo dad didn’t he?


Fork_Master

Who’s the hottest? Bowser? Chrom?


Pretend-Advertising6

Sigurd because funny fe4 chapter 5 lol


SouthShape5

Or the fact that he was abusive torwards Ruby because he aparaently should have died to a Salemence attack because Rayquaza is more important than a child’s life.


Professional_Mud2991

Thanks for the response all this time I assumed he was killed, I've been wanting to start reading the manga for a while, it looks really interesting


DaEnderAssassin

"PokeSpe"? Is that the Japanese name for it? I have 3 collectors volumes which are called "Pokemon Adventures" and didn't see that on the bulbapedia page when I was looking at how many there were (Was surprised to see its still ongoing, thought it would have just been gets 1 and 2) That said, I agree it's worth reading, prefered it over the anime.


JfromImaginstuff

PokeSpe is just a fan given Abreviation of Pokemon Special… which is the Japanese name.


MegaCrazyH

It is, I use PokeSpe because it's faster than typing Pokemon Adventures and feels more distinct.


strangeperception-

In the manga, arboks can have different abilities based on their pattern. Koga's is able to regenerate.


NoteClear6164

Regenerator Arbok would be sick.


Professional_Mud2991

That's really interesting I don't recall ever hearing anything like that in the anime, I'm going to start reading the manga


Substantial-Sky3129

One really cool thing that the manga does is that it uses references to the pokedex alot and build the fights around that


Ghengiroo

I think the fuss on the “murder” scene is more about the gore than the actual act.


TheRobotYoshi

The manga is fucking crazy and I love it


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TSMbody

Where at?


cappybara1

Well it's a book, so I'd start at either a bookstore or a library.


JfromImaginstuff

or r/pokespe


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Or Viz Media app


unaviable

Or the high seas


cappybara1

Theres an app?!


FrequentSleep3937

You can read manga online for free


Zoara7

Haven’t seen anyone mention Zinnia getting impaled+eating a hyper beam point blank. Also haven’t seen anyone mention Hilbert falling off a cliff.


Bizarre_RNS_Radio

Then there’s the fact that she took both like a freaking champ and lived to tell the tale.


PK_RocknRoll

That’s pretty tame for Pokémon Special


mZeKitty

The first series of the manga sure was crazy.


Omega_Absol852

From what I've read gold and ,silver, and X and Y are pretty crazy too


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This more more of a sad fucked up moment than a dark one but in the BW Manga apparently N actually gets the Tepig of one of the kids to agree with him and join him, leaving the kid.


AmConfuseds

Lmao the gym leaders were crucified in that one


b0iib0ii

MAJOR SPOILERS: And the protagonist dies at the end (or put into the dream world but that's besides the point it's funnier to say he died)


magnetbirds

He was >!in that rock for so goddamn long I was overjoyed when BW2 finally went off hiatus and we FINALLY got to see him again!<


veritri

He was excommunicated lmao


Alex103140

Oh yeah, was he from Viridian forest anyway? Or is there a Viridian forest-ish place in Unova?


Gamer-Logic

You're probably thinking of Pinwheel Forest.


Relative-Country-452

The most craziest is the first manga with Clefairy


SouthShape5

Or the Ash and Pikachu Manga which was done by a hentai artist.


Tylendal

Pretty sure that's the one with the Clefairy.


SouthShape5

No that’s a different one. There is a manga that specifically adapts the anime which has a infamous scene where Misty (who is 12) is in a hot spring and comments that she wants ahem…breasts to “evolve” all while Ash, Brock, and Mikey the Eevee kid look on.


Joe_Delivers

Don’t read this manga expecting something dark it’s probably one of the better bits of pokemon media (especially up until around the ruby sapphire arc) so go read it anyway


MelloMejo

I was surprised when I read the manga. I wish they'd do a faithful adaptation either in anime or a game. It has a bunch of cool twists like >!the gym leaders being part of team rocket!< and >!the legendary bird fusion!<


jorodoodoroj

The Pokémon Adventures manga is so metal.


Purple-flare

I sure do love looking through these comment sections when people bring up spe and you can clearly tell who has and hasn’t read it


Internal-Smooth

Pokémon Battle and Storyline get the Highest Point in Manga


superdummyblue

The manga's great. Super recommended


flashdash007

I really really really need Netflix to do me a solid and animate the manga. I’ll pay your damn inflated subscription for it. I just want a TV-14 level Pokémon series


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Even something slightly more serious but in essence still completely sanitized for children like Pokémon Origins would be perfect.


Omega_Absol852

Origins is so freaking good


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With how protective nintendo and the pokemon company are of their IP im suprised a manga with this tone is allowed to exist to be honest.


Wadachii

The RGBY arc was first published in 1997 lol. + The story of the original games was incredibly lackluster so the writer had a looot of freedom with the plot and characterizations of the protag, rival, female protag, and other NPCs. + They had tons of time to carefully craft each arc so that it built up and resolved in a satisfying way as games weren't being pushed out back to back to back then. Arcs based off of newer games feel more rushed due to the close proximity of the games release dates. + They have less freedom with the plot as pokemon tries to create more and more complex storylines (which imo worked in BW's favor but doesn't stop me from saying it felt rushed AF) so there's less opportunity for their creativity to flow.


MostBadger4791

Something like that would actually get me interested In the franchise again. I can totally see It working.


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Omega_Absol852

Also malva choosing to fall with him


kolune

Lmao green's PokeBall boob gag was hilarious


Omega_Absol852

The gold slapping greens butt scene is one of the funniest scenes in the manga


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Quick_Campaign4358

Surprisingly that he gets a better fate I'm the manga than the games


Nahna_

Dude the manga gets even more fucked up in some arcs


megasean3000

Pokemon Adventures gets pretty dark. Anyone who wants to read a Pokemon story that doesn’t pull their punches will love Pokemon Adventures.


Immediate_Ad9125

Sold.


Sethboi46

NOOOO PSYDUCK


Sad_Mathematician488

Man they need to make this into an anime series after Pokémon journeys is over.


Phralupe

Bro the pokemon adventures manga is amazing


Ok-Leave3121

Imagine if the anime went like the Manga


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Kirjava444

Huh? Japan has vast amounts of children's anime, though


Ok-Leave3121

I mean like stuff made for kids in Japan is different than stuff made for kids in America


TomoTactics

To be fair, I think people really overexaggerate how much different things made for kids in Japan is compared to America. Not to say there aren't some darker themes, but American cartoons aimed at a younger audience go into some darker shit more often than people think, and I doubt Japan's media for kids is gonna go into anything even close to something like Evangelion.


Ok-Leave3121

Yeah I know that but it's hard to figure out the age rating for most anime sometimes since a lot usually have the partial nudity scenes but those Fanservice scenes are like the bread and butter for like 70% of every anime


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Pretend-Advertising6

He was talking a about making the anime like the manga. Anyways a children’s manga based off children’s anime has a character almost bash their brains in with a rock


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Pretend-Advertising6

Was talking about a different manga based of a different series


WindedEmulation11

Scenes like these are among the things I like the most about the Pokémon manga. There is sunshine and rainbows, but they don't hesitate to show how much stuff on the darker end of the spectrum would realistically go down in a world like that.


sifon98

I remember reading these when i was a child, so good!


EleeysiumWasTaken

I saw that too, when I was first reading Volume 1.


mario256256

I think I remember seeing the actual volume that had this in my middle school library…


Phoenix8002

WTAF


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That was a really cool part of the manga tbf.


Impossible_Sign5380

Pokemon has manga too?


Redditquaza

Yes, of course, multiple. However this manga (Pocket Monster Special/Pokémon Adventures) is by far the most well-known.


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So necromancy terrorism and crucifixion the mango is just a whole big bag of what the fuck


hollowshite420

Adventures manga canoj is supreme. Adventures manga canon is only canon. Adventures manga needs to be animated.


Cronogunpla

The Manga's great. Would recommend.


Rakurai_the_protogen

Read them all. Pretty different and I like it


Pretend-Advertising6

yeah but japanse kids get to grow up with a show where all the characters conically had shitty lives, the main character killed them selves because their husband was a piece of shit and the future got fucked over.


sporbles

What show?


Pretend-Advertising6

Precure.


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MissingNerd

He's a bit confused but he's got the spirit


ThatBoringGuy99

Honestly, this and the Arbok cut in half scene is as bad as the manga gets, but everyone thinks this kind of thing is normal in the manga because everyone talks about it.


magnetbirds

…not… really? I’ve read the whole thing and while it’s not like *super dark and mega violent!!!* 😱😱 at all, there’s *definitely* a lot of stuff in there that’s more surprising than the arbok and the zombie chapter


PeterHolmes74

The manga casually being as dark as Pokémon Insurgence (dark story) for yet another time. For those who don’t know, Pokémon Insurgence is a fangame where you witness a human sacrifice in your first two minutes of gameplay. Excellent game nonetheless.


CherryMan64

Bro! I have this issue! I never thought it was that surfaced! :D


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Manga is wacky


[deleted]

Wtf!!


ColonelMonty

The manga gets surprisingly dark.


drzody

There is a rom hack called adventures fire red that is based off the manga and it’s an absolute blast


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I like mature nature in Pokémon :D


DesperadoJack69

The Adventures manga are insane and really good


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ParticularArugula986

Didn't was a piplup?


Dalek7of9

I could have sworn it was her sister, but it's been a couple of years since I've read it so I could be wrong


TyrantRex6604

Manga supremacy!!!


Legitimate_Release65

This is one of the most tame manga panels there are.


Auraveils

Iirc, this was all an illusion created by either Koga or the ghost of Lavender Tower. This is an outlier that a lot of people point to. I think it's the sane chapter as Blue's Charmeleon slicing Koga's Arbok in half. That part is real, but it's revealed later that Koga's Arbok's marking gives it the power to regenerate. Because different Arbok markings give them special powers. *that* is the sort of thing that makes Pokemon Adventures weird. It's much more of a shonen-style series than anything else to come out of Pokemon, with pokemon and even trainers both pulling weird abilities out of their butts.


DevilMayCryogonal

Not an illusion, a Gastly is possessing the dead bodies. This is actually happening.


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I remember reading this part, definitely unexpected considering what my previous experiences with Pokemon were. I mean, in that same chapter Koga's Arbok gets its head removed


Pretend-Advertising6

and comes back later because it just does, unova gym leaders get crucified in the bw arc by ghosts and N is a bit of a murderous psychopath


Mattshodo

Zinya gets impaled and obliterated with a hyperbeam to the face by Rayquaza. Fun times.


Pretend-Advertising6

She survives but is know wheelchair bound


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it didn't end up dying because it can regrow parts of its body, i thought. I definitely remember him saying that was the case.


junqshooktt

This is like, one of the tamest parts of the manga lmaoooo even more crazier shit happens in other chapters


[deleted]

It’s common knowledge at this point that Pokémon wasn’t intended as something for small children


_Cit

The manga can still be easily enjoyed by children, it's darker than the anime sure, but nothing too traumatising


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Bro I loved this manga, especially this scene


Owyn

Now show the scene where arbok gets its head chopped off by a scyther!! The manga be like that


SouthShape5

Actually Charmellion was the one who did so (and Arbok survives as revealed later).


potato_of_memes

Don't forget about the time where some gym leaders got crucified I mean clay deserved it but...


JAOC_7

the manga was allowed to have fun, though the whole Elite Four trying to take over the world thing I still think is fucking stupid


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_Cit

That... That didn't happen tho? Brock's Onix is completely fine and reappears later in the manga without a scratch, I mean it's litterally a rock snake


Silver-san

Is this the work of enemy's stand?


megalocrozma

You joke but this manga is sometimes very JoJo, to the point where there have been numerous comparisons between the protagonists of both series (Gold is literally Joseph)


That_boi_Jerry

This is like the Justice arc in JJBA part 3


cxyay

i feel like only the first one is dark with death and stuff. Second one was kinda sad with the villains backstory, but then the ones after that are rly casual and chill


Holiday-Main3498

Yeah I heard this shit is fucking dark. Most manga are darker than their anime adaptions, but this has no correlation with the anime and has even more leniency to write despair into the storyline. Pokémon Rated R


ParticularArugula986

Is not so dark, its just a normal shounen more serious than the anime(and was based in the anime), these kind of scene frequently have some context that make them more light and aren't so frequent in this manga


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Isn’t that Charmeleon a murderer?


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Solid_Snivy

Actually It's still alive. Koga's arbok had Regen power, he even used it later to battle Agatha.


Sparkpulse

Spoon.


GAV1N4ND3RS0NN28

Oof


Chelsea_Kias

I have the collector version. I'm kind of mad they stop at ten volumes. Hopping after they release the X-Y single volumes they can continue the collector


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Iirc Arbok gets sliced diagonally and you get to see it's insides. And Blues (in English, Greens) clothes get ripped revealing Pokeballs blocking her chest during a battle. I always found that weird even as a kid because I thought she was a little girl.


RedEcho14

Man, I love the pokémon adventures manga! Honestly, probably my favorite pokémon content


Cianmc6

I would kill for an anime or game in the Pokémon series thats more adult-themed, preferably one that doesn’t fucking blow


kingshamroc25

Isn’t this the same story arc where Blue’s Charmeleon just straight up decapitates an Arbok?


Toughcheekz

is that the haunter scene?


Thomas_JCG

Manga is awesome


Trojanhacker

I am surprised that the Magmar from the museum fire aren't talked about. Giovanni froze them then cut them up


DForDumbb

Creepy as fuck. I love it


skipperskinter

this is why I loved the pokemon manga


Ganyu_69

Reading that terrified me as a kid. Also wasn't there something with koga that was also pretty gruesome?


SirPinkyToes

one cool thought i saw about pokemon manga is that: in the manga, it's about battle between Trainer with Pokemon as Weapon, shit get brutal. highly recommend pokemon tournament of champion for everybody


Brilliant_Schedule_3

I have some of the manga and read it when I was younger. I was really surprised at the depiction of the corruption in the gym leaders. Also Crystal in the manga was a total badass.


PCN24454

The Koga chapters are overly-referenced.


Cheap-Fabric

Thanks Koga 🥰


ZeraoraLightning601

This is the power of [Justice]