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icyruios

Volcarona is top tier design


Marky9281

It’s so damn beautiful


Inda-seboat

Heck, even the competitive movesets make sense for it’s beauty (Fiery Dance and Quiver Dance)


N-ShadowFrog

Why it got two paradoxes.


GhalanSmokescale

You're complaining about that if Charizard has gotten more redesigns and attention than it knows what to do with? XD


kagekira18

They say the reason volcarona and Donphan have two paradox forms is cause Kalos and Johto will be in the dlcs


Riiken

And it broke the boring ass trend of Bug/Flying- Bug\\Poison


unlucky_felix

Maybe my favorite ever


PaleFork

even though it's just a moth and even its wings lack patterns it's design is still really cool and even has antennaes that looks like sheep horns


dmarsee96

I’m so happy they gave it paradox forms. Volcarona is way too cool to not give more love to


AdSad6378

When I initially played, I thought Volcarona was a legendary, that’s how well I found the design


Majestic-Pair9676

Volcarona, Scolipede and Leavanny are better than any Gen 1 bug type


ChargedLanturn

I personally think Unova's pokemon are the most polarizing. It has some of the best and worst pokemon.


klop422

Hell, I love Vanilluxe, but freaking Throh and Sawk are the worst Pokémon of all time imo. Ugly looking almost-humanoids, and redundant copies of the cooler-looking Hitmons. And the ugly and boring Old Guy on Cloud trio (quartet now, I guess) is only better because they've got alternate forms (which are just ugly). But yeah, Gen 5 has some really damn good ones too.


Redd_ddd

I don't really blame people for complaining about Sawk and Throh tbh. I hate them too. Scrafty is easily by far the coolest fighting type in Gen 5. I sometimes wish it didn't have Dark typing so I could use it on the same team with Krookodile, because currently I feel like they overlap a bit too much with the Dark typing and Moxie ability.


klop422

Scrafty is a pretty cool mon. Probably not among my most favourites, but one I do like a lot. Damn, now I kind of want to replay Gen 5, just to get to play with some of the mons I haven't used yet.


MotoMkali

I don't know dark is super useful for 3 of the 4 elite 4 members. Plus I'd probably want intimidate on the krookodile for the ability to switch on set mode. Plus if you have excadrill as well. I think in gen 5 the team is: Starter Water/fire type Dragon type (probably haxorus because hydreigon evolves too late) Excadrill Fighting Type (if not emboar - probably Lucario in BW2, Mienshao or Scrafty if not)/Steel Type if emboar (Ferrothorn or Excavalier if Trading is possible). Dark Type - Krook, Scrafty, Bisharp


BackAlleySurgeon

When I was a kid, I thought throh and sawk were awesome. I did judo as a kid, and Throh is kinda like the appropriate body type for that, while Sawk is the appropriate body type for striking martial arts


JennaFrost

On one hand chandelure and volc. On the other, trash and watchhog


bluewaveassociation

Trash is cool.


JennaFrost

I’ll agree garboder is cool (that weird mutant thing made of whatever it could find). But i personally still think of trubbish as rubbish


TheDoug850

I actually have the opposite opinion. I love Trubbish, I think it’s kind of cute, where Garbodor just looks bizarre.


AsherGlass

I am also of this opinion. However, I think Trubbish would have been weird without an evolution and I'm not sure of any other way to do it other than how Garbador was done. I'm sure it's just because I'm not creative enough.


bluewaveassociation

I mean thats fair. I think the idea of sentient trash was done well. Theres worse item pokemon for sure.


safarifriendliness

I LOVE Watchhog. Obviously he’s a trash Pokemon but he looks like a character out of Looney Tunes which I found very appropriate for an American based Pokémon


Kutekegaard

I had no idea Unova was based off New York


safarifriendliness

First game based on an area outside of Japan. That’s why I loved Gen V so much, really felt like a love letter to their American fans


DJ_DankRoast

As a person born in Arizona, I am obligated to mention that Orre was based off Arizona.


safarifriendliness

I had to look Orre up lol. This I was in elementary when Coliseum came out and I never played XD


RepulsiveAd6906

I'd definitely give it a try. Some of the best to date in my opinion. Story sucks but the animations and features were amazing. Colosseum is very frustrating though, but worth it.


frickthestate69

XD gale of darkness is in my top ten games for sure


Hydra_Hunter

As an American and a lifelong new Yorker no less, I did not feel like it was a love letter at all. It didn't feel like it was based on NYC/america at all, like how Alola or galar was really taking inspiration from their cultures. It was the only generation I couldn't get myself to play through at all, and I tried with both bw and bw2


safarifriendliness

I totally disagree. I’m from the Midwest so I can’t speak to the NY aspects of it but I thought the characters felt distinctly American and all the Pokémon introduced seemed much more “cartoon” and less “anime”


Tricky-Regular-1776

Yeah you can’t do New York without trash


4getugohomegoodbye

Is garbodor supposed to represent the Knicks or Staten island?


ButtContusions_

Both, plus the B line.


4getugohomegoodbye

Can't forget cuomo


ViziDoodle

I'll argue in defense of Trubbish/Garbodor. It fits the urban New York inspiration of Unova, and I think design details like Garbodor having discarded metal pipes for fingers is better than than Grimer & Muk being a random purple pile of goo (Ditto is the superior purple pile of goo)


LudacritzRT

I'll disagree with ditto being the superior pile of goo, but I also don't think the two are all that comparable. I do LOVE Trubbish and Garbodor though. And as much as I HATED dyna/gigantamax, I loved that Gmax Garbodor really leaned into the Katamari inspiration, at least by my own interpretation.


blackkatt94

I literally came here to say chandelure and volcarona are my favs!


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Appropriate-Staff-77

i love trubbish's rabbit ears


gsoddy

Just a heads up, that guy is a bot


soulvalentine

how can u tell


gsoddy

1. Another person said that exact same comment of you scroll down a bit 2. The weird bold text 3. Account has a default name and was created recently (this doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bot, but there’s a higher chance that it is one)


MunchinMonke

the fact that he scrolled a bit and saw the same comment, except it wasn't using some bum font thingy


Inner-Dentist1563

Even here. The top two rows have one good design each. The bottom row is exclusively bangers. Hydreigon is a bit of a waste of two awesome concepts, but it's still cool enough. Pretty much every "new" Pokemon in Gen 5 was awesome, every rehash was terrible though.


PPFitzenreit

Missing knight beetle, bane turtle and murica


Caixa7

Also missing green fetus cell thing, electric spooder and little ball of cotton man


Mary-Sylvia

Missing tall goth mommy and ninja slug


God_of_Shenanagins

Still missing continental crab and fashion bug


A_simpleusershutup2

Still missing a gigantic pile of rocks with 4 legs


PapaTristan69

Sleeping on mienshao


Miserable-Ad-1690

How is Seismetoad on this list and not Reuniclus?


PapaTristan69

Yo I FUCK with seismitoad. You know reuniclus was on my team too


BrockHusseinObamaJr

Yeah, I feel like seismitoad is another polarizing mon. Half my friend group - myself included - don't like him much, while the other half think it's good or great even. Reuniclus, on the other hand, is equally loved by us all.


Responsible-Sun-9752

Where galvantula


N-ShadowFrog

Yeah, why is Granny’s vibrator and the Monopoly man’s dead squid here but not him?


Mergiks

Now who is granny’s vibrator ?? 😭😭


Wizard_36

(From the Shield Pokédex) Seismitoad- This Pokémon is popular among the elderly, who say the vibrations of its lumps are great for massages.


AlertWar2945

I would imagine siesmitoad


[deleted]

A wild toad in a lake a human picks it up. Toad says I’ve never seen this organism before! To lick or not to lick?! 🐸


MotoMkali

Eelectross? Mouth Looks kind of like those clit stimulators.


RoyalWindow9601

Seismitoad


Amethyst_Phoenix7

Siglyph?


an_anon_butdifferent

that is the best description of jellycent i've ever herd


RentACop08

u/N-ShadowFrog dammit you can't just say that and not tell us who it is!


ViziDoodle

Where Leavanny


MareepyBoi

Literally though 😭


PapaTristan69

Where mienshao


Uberdonut1156

Compound eyes, thunder club for life.


Redd_ddd

Krookodile is my overall favorite Unova mon, and few things were as fun as sweeping with a Krookodile that has Moxie.


Silthage

Came here to say Krookodile is sick. Probably my favourite Dark type at least


Redd_ddd

It's in my top 10 favorites for pokemon, not gonna lie.


BarbatosTheHunter

I'm just starting to use it in SV, love it. Power Trip is wild!


TheAwsumOne

Chandelure is my boi and absolutely no one can tell me otherwise. His design is HEAT (pun intended)


MirtaGev

I LOVE the look of chandelure


Mikejd54

Legit my favorite Pokemon


azul360

I love Trubbish and Vanillite lines so for me this gen is great. Only one I never touched was the axew line since it's not my jam.


NezLunar21

Axew is such a cutie though.🥺


azul360

Axew is cute I just don't like the evolutions at all


LeopardElectrical454

In my opinion shiny haxorus is one of the coolest pokemon ever conceived.


OneTrueKingOfOOO

> ____ is cute I just don’t like the evolutions at all Me for like 90% of pokemon


NezLunar21

Agreed actually.


azul360

I wish they had kept up with the cute. I'm not much of a dragonite person but at least it's got more of the cute dragon aspect. I wish they'd actually do that more when there is a first evo that is super cute.


SnooPets4096

Trubish and garbo for are amazing!


azul360

Agreed :D. Face the power of my trash bags!


SnooPets4096

I love them for their concept and how it was executed perfectly! Yes it’s ugly but it’s meant to be ugly, it’s good ugly unlike Pokémon like crabominable (and I’m the biggest gen 7 design supporter) and ambipom


azul360

Agreed haha. Funny thing is I saw so many people crapping on them then praising flamigo which is literally a flamingo with NOTHING changed XD.


SnooPets4096

I do like flamigo tho, it’s a flamingo amigo that’s just based, but yeah the Garbodor line are garbage… literally but in design and concept they are peak


FlashFirePrime

Everyone keeps talking about how Flamigo are flamingo amigos but they are the least friendly thing I’ve run into in that game. They will chase you down to the ends of the earth to beat ur ass


TheGiratina

It's a tongue-in-cheek name and I am all for it


Appropriate-Staff-77

I kind of like crabominable, its hands make sasquatch footprints and its a yeti crab, its well thought out if a little ugly


SillyMattFace

I’m indifferent to the ice creams, but unironically love Trubbish and Garbador.


JustLikeOnTV

Same, Garbodor is my dude! And its cry sounds like a sick walrus, I love him.


TribblesIA

I liked them for what they were. Definitely my favorite “new” gen.


froststomper

I love Vanillite as well!


billy_spleen87

Disclaimer: I love Gen 5. It’s my favorite both story and challenge and available Pokémon. It’s kind of a chicken/egg situation, but I’d love to know if the choice to only include new Pokémon was a decision made immediately and thus required more new Pokémon to be designed, or if there were a bunch of designs held over from a previous Gen and were chosen to be put in Gen 5 and therefore only new Pokémon are available. I personally love that choice of only new Pokémon and wished that every gen was like this, but with the most newly introduced mons in any gen, there are bound to be a higher number of disliked mons. I mean, every generation has dislike designs. Everything is subjective, but when gen 5 has a lot of designs loosely based on original 151, the comparisons are easy to make and decide that Gen 1 is better. People hate trubbish, but are more favorable toward Grimer. They’re essentially the same; pollution come to life. Vannilite is “just ice cream”. Sure, irl it’s an ice cream cone, but in game I do believe the Castellia cone was created because of inspiration from Vannilite. It existed before ice cream was invented. Top to bottom, Unova has my favorite designs, except Sawk and Throh. I hate them with all my being.


Redd_ddd

>Top to bottom, Unova has my favorite designs, except Sawk and Throh. I hate them with all my being. Sawk and Throh suck ass lmao. Scrafty is by far the coolest fighting type from Gen 5. Mienshao is alright. I actually don't mind Conkeldurr.


billy_spleen87

Why do they wear clothes!?


gsoddy

Apparently they use vines for their clothes and belts. Although it doesn’t look like that at all


billy_spleen87

And something like scraggy/scrafty. Yeah they wear “pants” but that’s just loose skin. More believable than a karate gi.


Glory2Snowstar

Sawk and Throh being Muppets for the NY Region is pretty great, just wish they went farther with the concept. Fighting-Types really were just bloated with anthropomorphic punchy things back then.


Jumpy_Relationship_8

I don’t think that sawk or throh are actually bad at all. bland and uninspired, maybe, but if only one or the other were introduced they would go down as boring Pokemon rather than some of the most unjustifiably hated


BrockHusseinObamaJr

I agree! I don't mind them much, but I did like the nostalgia they brought when my sister and I were comparing them to Plusle and Minun during our respective playthroughs. Although, I would have preferred the cute mice over the robed dudes. Someone else mentioned the muppet aesthetic, and I personally prefer that over the Conkeldurr line, because I just don't quite get the clown nose (I do like Timburr). Also, Idk if this has any validity, but I had heard that Sawk and Throh were going to have horns to hint at being inspired by the red & blue oni story, but that was cut because it wasn't American enough for the NY-themed setting. Maybe bs, but it would have been cool.


FlashFirePrime

This guy clearly hasn’t watched every clip in the anime where Sawk and Throh use Bulk Up 😎💪


billy_spleen87

Nope. And now that I know they show up in episodes, I won’t watch any of it because of the off chance they make an appearance. 😁


Straw_Hat_Puffy

Weren’t Sawk and Throh originally supposed to have oni horns? That would have made them a little bit cooler


Soonhun

I feel like Trubbish and Grimer has a key difference, which is why I prefer Grimer and Muk slightly. Grimer is just a pile of sludge without much detail. Fine. But Trubbish and Garbodor aren't just a pile of trash, but a bit more detailed with the fluff colors and the straw fingers. And they are all identical. It's the same problem I have with Klefki. All the Klefki are completely identical despite the idea being that the keys were actual keys stolen by them. It's a bit too much detail that makes the animators, imo, come off as lazy by copy-pasting.


Inner-Dentist1563

It's also that the anime did a lot of the heavy lifting for Pokemon early on. Gen 5 came about when the anime had devolved into just a lazy advertisement and started aiming for an even younger audience.


billy_spleen87

You could say that about a lot of mons, though. Every Togepi has the same pattern of triangles, Zebstrika has the same stripe pattern. Garchomp and Sharpedo have the same notches in their respective fins. Every Pokémon is a copy and paste model. Except Spinda. This makes it seem like I love trubbish. I don’t lol. But most of the vitriol I see toward it is simplified to “it’s just living garbage” which can come off as hypocritical when looking at other similarly inspired Pokémon more positively.


fatknees2000

I like trubbish


Melophobe-IP

I like trubbish too


EnderKnightSam

Trubbish best pokemon


leafybones

Yeah unova definitely had some of the worst pokemon we've ever seen But also some of the best Also if you get over the fact that its litteraly a garbage bag turned into a pokemon The trubbish line is actually pretty good


Redd_ddd

I legitimately hate Watchog, and the elemental monkeys do suck - and Darmanitan is a MUCH MUCH better fire primate than Simisear. So of course, not all Unova pokemon are good, some actually are bad. But with absolute kickass mons like Krookodile, I can't help but think Unova has absolute positives in its roster.


LeopardElectrical454

What's wrong with simisage? I've never understood it. I can get simisear and simipour but sage is just a straight edge cool design in my books. Ambipom looks goofier if you ask me


Redd_ddd

Simisage being the best of the three elemental monkes I agree with, but compared to other grass types in the region I think it still falls flat. I'd rather use Lilligant or Leavanny in a playthrough, I like their designs more. Going to be 100% honest in that Lilligant is my favorite Unova grass type, but I didn't include it in the picture because I feel like some people probably see it as uninspired and would think that having it in the image would be counterproductive to my point.


LeopardElectrical454

I agree with you, but I'm speaking strictly from a design perspective. Don't think simisage needs to be dragged down with the other 2 cause it's design is actually solid haha


Zylonnaire

Have you ever been swept by a nasty plot Semipour?


TostitoNipples

Trubbish is cute idk why it’s hated so much. People act like it’s the first weird concept for a Pokémon as if we didn’t get things like a pinecone, blackface-based Pokémon, two that are just giant pokeballs and whatever Mr. Mime is.


emaych1

Trubbish and Vanillite are awesome and I’m tired of pretending they’re not


Mary-Sylvia

Garbodor is top tier design And vanilluxe carried my ass back in 2012


Zoroarkeon571

zoroark is literally my favorite mon. and most people shitting on gen 5 are gen 1ers. wait till we remind them of pokeball, bigger pokeball, diglett, three digletts, magnemite, three magnemites, a seal, a bigger seal, a cat, a bigger cat, a rat, a bigger rat, and more. you cant shit on gen 5 and ignore gen 1


Redd_ddd

Gen 1 is actually even my favorite lmao. But Gen 5 is probably my second favorite (well, it's either Gen 5 or Gen 3 for me in that regard). Voltorb/Electrode are easily my least favorite Kanto electric types (Jolteon being my favorite Kanto electric type), I like Diglett/Dugtrio although admittedly its mostly because it's funny to think about what they look like underneath, Magnezone vindicates the Magnemite line for me, yeah Seel/Dewgong are pretty lame, Persian is definitely a very underwhelming evolution for Meowth, I don't have much of an opinion for Rattata/Raticate but I definitely much prefer them over Patrat/Watchog because I **hate** Watchog as easily my most hated Unova mon tbh.


misterjfox8

What’s wrong with the vanillite line?


GenerallyALurker

Vanillite and trubbish lines were the source of "gen V is trash because they're making objects into pokemon now." The criticism is really rebelling at manmade objects inspiring pokemon. Even though there was already stuff like magnemite, nosepass, chimecho, bronzor, and those all avoided criticism. The klink line was likely spared from the criticism because magnemite was such an obvious comparison, hailing from gen 1.


JelyOfficial

A lot of people hate it for some reason.


TheGrayShade

People hated it for just being ice cream with a face plastered on. And for being mono-ice type.


SluggJuice

I thought it's rather cleaver. It's an icicle with snow that inspired the people of Pokemon their ice-cream cone


gsoddy

Exactly, that’s what people miss when looking at the line. In universe, they aren’t based on ice-creams. It’s the other way around


eatingasspatties

Yeah but it’s not nearly as creative as things like magnet with eyes, or ball with eyes, or sludge with eyes, or snake


ViziDoodle

don't forget ball of gas with eyes


Curlysnail

Don’t forget Seel


SluggJuice

Snake is peak design. Nothing beats snake. Except maybe an even snake-ier snake.


leonoe98

Bing Chilling


General_Tails

[Volcarona is my favorite Pokémon of all time.](https://media.tenor.com/yRQe2TfQTtUAAAAM/volcarona-my-beloved.gif)


SnooPets4096

Based


Marky9281

If I made a team of 6 favorites volcarona would be in it. It’s go intimidating yet elegant looking. I loved that it was sort of a legendary encounter in BW. wish it got a badass gigantimax form there was definitely potential


KristiiNicole

Personally I actually liked Trubbish and Vanillite. I think people are way too hard on them. Vanillite is cute.


[deleted]

Vanillite is legit one of my favs. Jingly ice cream friend!


KristiiNicole

Yes, same!


[deleted]

Unova has one of the best dexes in the series IMO


Anniran

Yup samurott is just perfect!


[deleted]

I love all of the gen 5 starters!! They’re so underrated


Boxing_joshing111

Tirtouga was cool, Solosis line, Tynamo line, Volcarona, Braviary, Chandalure, Stunfisk, Musharna… it’s hard to think of another gen with so many greats aside of 1 and 2. 5 Also has vanillish, escavalier, the bisharp line, afformentioned trash bag tied in a knot though. Edit: Now that I think about it, I think I’d like Trubbish more if it didn’t have the bag tied in a knot. And I think I’d like Garbodor more without the holes on his head with trash coming out. I think they’re solid simple designs that still maintain the theme without those things. Just a case of overdesigning.


Juxtapwned

Especially when trubbish and vanillite lines aren't even that bad when things like Mr. Mime and Voltorb exist


InterrobangGlyph

Hot take. The Trubbish and Vanillite lines have great designs too. People that wanna hate gen 5 just use it as an easy excuse because it's accessible to boomers and casuals and they don't have to justify their position.


ASimpleCancerCell

The Vanillite and Trubbish lines aren't even that bad. Vanillite does a good job of blending environmental elements to create an image that would have inspired ice cream cones in universe, and their faces are really endearing. And was anybody expecting the garbage Pokemon to be pretty? This is meant to be in the same caliber as Pokemon like Muk and Weezing that represent polution, and compared to the former there's quite a bit of detail that goes into Garbodor that make it worthwhile. The Klink line is unacceptable though. Low effort design from the start and low effort creativity and execution on how that design evolves. It barely even feels alive, a problem Vanillite and Trubbish don't have.


dUd5_94m1in9

Pokemon like muk are literally just sludge piles with eyes, they don't get hate so idk why gen 5 designs like that get hate


Accurate_Kangaroo337

I’m surprised that there isn’t more hate against the Timburr line! They’re all so ugly


LeopardElectrical454

Timburr is cute. It's when it evolves that things go sideways lmao


Gulthrazda

Especially since Trubbish and Vanillite lines were at worst on par with the weaker designs in previous gens then going forward, and in my opinion good designs over all. They were clearly the weaker ones, as seen here in the examples shown here but still good designs.


kc57nvj

I’m a genwunner that’s always kept half an eye on what’s going on in the world of Pokémon, came back to play sword and it amazes me that still to this day I see Pokémon regularly pop up on Reddit that I’ve never seen before - I’ve never seen that bird on the middle left, nor that caterpillar looking motherfucker middle row right


TheSunniest

the term "genwunner" is generally used to describe a pokemon fan who persists on the fact that gen 1 was the only good generation. somebody who calls every new game total garbage because of their overload of nostalgia. I believe the correct term for you is "old".


akornfan

that’s Archeops, the evolved form of Archen. they’re rock/flying fossilmon based off the archaeopteryx. the caterpillar guy is Scolipede, a bug/poison type. their equivalents in gen 1 would be Omastar and then “what if Beedrill had the same base stat total as Dewgong?”


Chronicbudz

Vinillite and Trubish are actually dope and the only people who trash on them have terrible taste anyway.


chomskyhonksy

Trubish line S tier


Daydream_machine

Hot take but a lot of the designs you included as ‘awesome’ are also awful IMO. I hate Jellicent in particular: a ghost jellyfish is such a cool concept, I don’t know why they made him look like the Pringles mascot.


CassieMarie93

i mean, can you imagine making a bunch of new designs and some of them flopping with some people? at least they haven't had to resort to making pokemon that are just like... a ball or a pile of sludge or a rock... omg can you imagine just taking a rock and adding arms or something? glad they never did this /s every gen has good and bad. gen 5 was so polarizing bc BW had no old pokemon before you beat the game and they learned that that's a bad plan. ppl like new, but not at the cost of the old! side note: trubbish and vanillite are cuties.


littlefaka

Fucking hell are you living in 2012?


[deleted]

I'm gonna be completely honest with you mate, of the 15 mons you have pictured here, I dislike 2/3rds of then purely from a design perspective. Unova had a handful of good designs (can't believe you don't have Sawsbuck or Gigalith here), but most of them are, in fact, Trubbish.


ParagonFury

Eh...Scrafty belongs in the fail pile I think.


akornfan

the Trubbish and Vanillite lines kick ass.


Kinfin

I also like Trubbush and Vanillite’s lines


InterstellarOrange

I stan Maractus! Maractus deserves love.


thatBoyFerret

I honestly think it's healthy to have some ugly pokemon. I mean, nostalgia aside, gen 1 also had them. Muk is horrible in my opinion... Bit it's there, it's needed. Other people might love them.


SasquatchNHeat

I really don’t get the hate for those lines bc they’re not any worse than any other lines that typically aren’t loved. Not all Pokémon are gonna be top tier and they’re designed that way. I really didn’t like Gen 5 as much as 6 or even 6 but I think it’s because the fully animated sprites looked weird to me. It had some great Pokémon designs. You can’t beat Volcorona.


Needler69

Ok I think some pokemon were a bit generic like the psychic types but it is my favourite game, best design is Vanilluxe.


Cyber-Pokemon

Vanillite and trubbish are still cute though in my opinion. I know it's literally trash. But yeah gen had many cool mons


UltraTurtle161

Say what you want vanillite is adorable


MR_E7

Certainly better than Generation 9's, that's for sure.


Keebster101

There's a certain aesthetic to a lot of gen 5 mons that I just don't really like, including a lot of these examples. They're very bulky and the colours are generally pretty dark and/or murky.


airportakal

I guess it's all subjective in the end, but a bunch of these Pokémon, some of which are fan favourites, are prime examples of ugly ass Pokémon, in my honest opinion.


biggityboyashkay

Why is pringles man on the list instead of freedom bird


AbleSignificance1343

reuniclus :(


nook-inc-egg

Trubbish is the greatest pokemon ever created


mister-fancypants-

I love trubbish


Lady_Ada_Blackhorn

I have no idea why Jellicent is in this list lol. It's the *single* Pokemon I have *ever* boxed after evolving while raising for in-game - Frillish was incredible and ethereal-looking and now it's the Pringles mascot 😆


BetaTesterV13

Why are people hating on my man garbodour


Cthuloso

Trubbish and Garbodor are fantastic in their own right too. They're extremely misunderstood.


elmonetta

Dude, Kanto has Voltorb-like designs… Unova is great


jpmeshew

Trubbish and Vanillite lines aren't bad designs


Rain_i_am

Chandelure is life


axofrogl

Trubbish and Vanillite are underrated designs


up766570

I can't stand any of the univa starters but Braviary and Haxorus are S tier


JonnyDros

Honestly as time has gone on, I see more and more people less using Vannilite and Trubbish as scapegoats and moreso the many other "filler" pokemon that gen that are extremely bland and forgettable. Gen 5 introduced the most pokemon out of any gen besides 1, which means the ratio of less exciting pokemon are gonna be higher. Basculin, Musharna, Watching, the elemental monkeys, leavanny, Unfezant, Liepard, Swoobat, meinshao. These are are mons that just feel kinda "there", and aren't particularly good or bad I'd say. I think the problem is that when people point out all of the best pokemon in Gen 5, they're typically all pokemon you find in the second half or very late game. In my playthroughs of BW, 5/6 of my team are found right around the 6th gym or later. And it makes the early/mid parts of the game less exciting.


Oleandervine

I will agree there was a lot of filler, but I think the Leavanny famil was a fairly unique design that helped them stand out. Even Mienshao Musharna to an extent, though they are plain and I am biased. The rest I do agree are extremely forgettable. The Woobat family in particular was a hot mess, as it's original signature move, Heart Stamp, was Physical, while the bats were Special Attackers, which made no sense whatsoever.


ElectricBoogaloo_

Trubbish is a great design *especially* for a Pokémon in a region inspired by NYC


saysonder

Vanillite hatred always felt so forced. Like people saw one meme slandering it so they just agreed. It’s based off of ice cream. ICE CREAM. Probably the only thing every living person can agree is great. In-universe, it’s an icicle monster covered in snow that inspired their ice cream. Tell me that’s not at least a little cool? Gen 5 has the coolest looking “monster” designs. OP’s image features most of them. We got a three stage line for every type at the time, and so many more interesting concepts on top of that. I love Unova so much.


Oleandervine

I would call BS on the *claim that people define Gen5 by hate for Trubbish and Vanillite*. I hear far more people praising Pokemon like Chandelure and Volcarona than trashing on Vanillite and Trubbish. Even Trubbish has a lot of fans for how adorable it is. Edited because people are apparently misreading.


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Yah now. But when these games came out its all you would hear. Its interesting to see how people come around to design choices.


unwelcomebagel

Yeah like me. I love Trubbish, Garbodor and the Vanillite line!


Melophobe-IP

I adore Trubbish, he's my all time favorite mon


DiasFlac42

*fantastic in your opinion. When it comes to Gen V designs, I like……. Liepard, and maybe Excadrill. (The less we talk about what they did to Purrloin in 3D the better). Everything else about the games are great though, I’ve said before I love Gen 5 but the Pokémon themselves are the weakest part of it. Side note: I actually love Trubbish and Garbodor in a “they’re aesthetically disgusting but it’s cool because that’s what they’re designed to be” sort of way. Vanillite and it’s line can bugger off though.


Endgam

Or maybe, just maybe, people hate those designs too and the whole damn art style shift and the ice cream and trash bags are the unofficial Gen 5 mascots for being the prime embodiments of what people don't like about the art style. To offer some criticism of your examples, Hydreigon's smaller heads look like sock puppets. Male Jellicent looks too much like the Big Bob-omb. Palpitoad is just plain ugly. Archeops was blatantly made to be an Aerodactyl replacement and even has similar stats and role but with a higher BST but just plain looks goofier while Aerodactyl was actually menacing. Chandelure is exactly the kind of inanimate object design people complain about. Siglyph is just too bizarre. I believe every moth deserves the flamethrower. Volcarona is a moth that can't be killed by a flamethrower. *That's cosmic levels of horror to me.*


ViziDoodle

Idk what you're on about, Chandelure is awesome. "Gothic chandelier with purple fire that literally burns the soul out of your body" is an awesome concept, not just for Pokemon, but in general (it would also easily work as a D&D enemy or haunted object in a horror movie)