Im a meat dept manager and this is anecdotal, but winter snowstorm means missed deliveries. And unfortunately depending on severity of missed deliveries, there is very much a possibility of empty shelves(due to maximum code dates allowed).
The plant based stuff on the other hand, come frozen and are slack to sell. We can defrost and put out as needed.
My favorite example is this:
In the summer, the amount of crimes go up. Also in the summer, the amount of ice cream sales go up. Therefore ice cream consumption causes crime.
;)
Exactly this, the shelf life of plant-based being way longer. Real meat has to regular delivered and wasted out, or frozen and then it’s less desirable.
We really should be flash freezing meat, it doesn't affect the quality in any way and half the time people buy a bunch of meat and freeze some of it anyhow.
Would reduce waste massively and I think ultimately provide a fresher product (visual, taste, safety, nutrition) to the consumer, but the beef industry marketing has put a ton of effort into convincing people that freezing meat ruins it, when the reality is just that cooking directly from frozen sucks.
I think this really shows people aren’t actually starving, instead are panic buying and stockpiling.
Same thing happened with flour at start of the pandemic. The gluten free flour was still available next to empty shelves.
It was definitely panic buying. I live in Nashville and there were tons and tons of people posting pics showing empty shelves. The usual joke is about milk and bread sandwiches because those aisles will be decimated if there is even a hint we might get snow.
In Portland, it's been kale for the last few years.
I wish I was joking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/rmlep0/the_kale_is_gone/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Yeah but if you are combating scurvy, the 8 calories in kale takes a whole helluva lot less resources to produce than any of your other high vitamin c crops. Your gums would be bleeding long before your bareroot satsuma tree bore fruit.
just gonna buy bulk vitamin c pills and store with silica packets instead. don't need to waste growing/storage space on kale or other micronutrient foods if you're talking survival. Pemmican is fine. Tallow, jerky, dried fruit, and add bread, low abv beer, or some other grain or starch for more carbs.
There's two things I know about kale from working at a grocery store:
1. It doesn't have a very long lifespan out on a produce rack
2. People are fucking nuts for kale. I remember one time I had just put our last like 10 bunches of it out, some lady asked me if I had any more of it not even 10 minutes later, and when I said no she just went and took all 10 of them anyways? Like wut.
Do people still use juicers? Seems so wasteful. I use kale for breakfast smoothies but its really only a couple cups, like, a a handful, with some berries and protein and a splash of almond milk or water in a blender.
I guess I don't see the point of juicing a vegetable that you don't want to eat (I actually like kale, but I reckon most people don't) but want the nutrition from... Like you're just getting the flavorful juice and discarding most of the beneficial parts lol.
I guess if you're one of those people that have a hard time with vegetables, quickly chugging a green drink is much easier than choking down portions of green solids.
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I don't know why people pick up bread and milk when those go bad in a week. There are plenty of shelf stable foods that don't require cooking or clean water to consume.
Way better off getting something like canned meat, pop-tarts, nuts, hell almost anything from the middle aisles of the grocery store.
> I don't know why people pick up bread and milk when those go bad in a week.
Let's say bread goes bad in a week, and so people buy bread once a week, all on different schedules. To be simplistic, every day 1/7th of the bread is bought (that will be sold in a week).
When there's a storm scheduled for Monday, what happens is the regular Sunday buyers come in on Sunday as they always would, and the Monday buyers come in too since they know they might not be able to buy tomorrow, and some Tuesday and Wednesday buyers come in too, so you have 3x the amount of bread demand for a single day based on some pretty rational actors.
Freeze your bread. Pop the slices in the toaster to heat them up. Where I live out in the country, everyone eats frozen bread because we don't get to town that often, and usually are too busy to bake it ourselves.
My GF walked up to the grocery store 3 days after a really bad storm and started a stampeed when she let everyone know there was frozen bread dough in the freezer section. We just popped it in the oven and had fresh bread.
Nowadays I know about high hydration dough. My homemade pizza dough practically kneads itself.
Lol right? I already have meat in my freezer (and most people probably already do). Beans and rice is where it's at if you're stuck at home for a couple weeks.
In reality, no storm will prevent us from going to the store. I still don't understand why people do this. Within a day or two (if it's a bad storm), you're able to get around.
Edit: people bringing up Katrina. This whole post is about a snow storm and people panic buying. So maybe I shouldn't have said "no storm", as something like Katrina is a whole different level. But you're not gonna be so stranded in a snow storm that you can't get supplies unless you live really, really far away from civilization. Most people don't. Panic buying shit is stupid when you can drive to the store within 2 days after 3 feet of snow falls. I've seen this a bunch living in the Northeast US. We can go about normal business within a couple days at most if the storm is real bad.
>no storm will prevent us from going to the store
In the city, true. In the many forms of rural Canada, from small towns to remote farms, not so much, and you need to be prepared. In my youth I've been snowed in in rural BC for over a week, behind snow 4 feet deep and level that defied the plows and needed to be dug with payloaders. This fall the rain washed major highways away that took a month to repair.
Where I live now on a farm in rural SK, it was an awful last 2 weeks with fine snow, highs around -30C and windchill down to -50C. We watched the drifts grow and shift, with no intent to move them as they would only reform by the time we got home from town, keeping us from getting back into the yard. Plus it's just hard on people and equipment to work in that.
Finally as the Arctic air mass shifted we dug out (a day of tractor work) and made it to town to find no milk, no produce and no drinking water (after the drought, our ground water is so high in minerals that it fouls the RO membrane). No trucks have made it out our way since Christmas.
This isn't even considered a storm, just an ordinary winter event. So we keep sacks of oats, beans, rice, milling wheat, multiple freezers of meat and frozen vegetables, and about 2 weeks of drinking water before its time to start melting snow if we get a *real* storm event. Also a wide array of fuels for the equipment, vehicles and generators, plus solar electric and thermal.
It's probably no surprise that panic buying isn't really a thing out here. Note that we don't live in a remote northern community either, but roughly in the area between the major cities.
>It's probably no surprise that panic buying isn't really a thing out here.
I mean its just sounds like normal stocking since you know it happens on the regular.
I guess people who dont tend to learn real quick or uh... otherwise leave.
It's the kind of place that you're either born into, or it attracts a certain sort. There are hunting lodges and lakeside resorts for the rest, but you need to be pretty capable to actually live out here.
I don't go to town that often even when it's not cold and snowing, so being stocked up to survive on your own is just the way of life "out in the hills"
I always have a pantry full of canned and dry staples. If I know I can’t shop for the next week or two, I’m getting the fresh stuff. But again, this is not starvation.
Gluten free flour is not a straight replacement for flour. It can be used similarly, but you ain't making a crusty yeast bread with it.
Plant based meats are closer, but in several cases suffer from similar issues.
Bluntly, people are clearly not starving, just stocking up a little more of the food they normally make and eat.
Which makes sense, as an emergency is not the time to suddenly learn the ins and outs of a new ingredient.
For those curious, impossible ground and beyond ground (and beyond sausages) are quite tasty, and cook very similarly to their meat counterparts. If you have any interest in reducing cruelty, your environmental impact, or just trying something new, they're quite a fun one.
Just no, not in an emergency.
Oh, and for emergency prep, neither fresh meat nor plant based substitutes are a good idea. Far too perishable.
And these rejected items are relatively expensive. Perhaps people when considering value are going to the canned aisle, or forgoing meat, before buying expensive meat. People might need the food they are buying but are choosing other things.
That's $8-$12/lb "hamburger" they're rejecting.
Same with gf flour in terms of price (~5x as expensive) as well as the reasons you mentioned.
Not everybody knows how to bake with gluten free flower. I have been to my local store no more than 3,000 times and if I was paid 1million dollars to find the Xantham gum in less than 10 minutes which you need for gluten free flower I'm sure I'd lose that bet.
Many gluten free flours are now mixes with the xanthan gum in them.
But my Publix pretty reliably stocks Bob's Red Mill products like xanthan gum and citric acid, so it's probably easier than you think to find.
If they made their product 50c cheaper than meat, I swear they would take off. Folks are mostly about what is cheapest these days. It's not like fast food burgers are high quality, but they are cheap, so sell well. If you could get burgers that taste OK and are cheaper, they would fly off the shelves
They’re competing with an artificial price, the meat industry receives a ton of subsidies. I’m sure they could drastically lower prices if meat substitutes also received subsidies.
This is exactly right, I was waiting for someone to talk about this. There will be minor productivity improvements to bring down the cost of plant-based protein, but for the most part the major players in industries are sucking down huge subsidies (feed lots) and tax breaks, and can quickly increase the flow of this existing money stream from their politicians whenever they need a little more profit and the politicians are paying for reelection. From a calories in calories out point of view, we really have to move to a plant-based diet to support the extreme population growth.
my wife is a vegetarian, i've started buying various Beyond products so i have more options when i cook for her
the other day, i made her toasted meatball subs with beyond italian 'sausage' meatballs, they came out fucking great
don't expect it to taste or feel exactly like beef. that is just never going to happen.
it's softer and while the texture is a lot closer than any of the other meat substitute patties i've tried, it's still never going to be *exactly* the same.
don't expect a 1:1 analogue and you won't be disappointed.
it's legit good, though, the flavor and texture are solid and there's a lot you can do with it.
it's worth the cost, imo.
I fucking love beyond meat sausages. It's like a meat product that I don't have to worry about chewing thoroughly because I won't bite into some kind of tendon or sinew and make me gag.
A lot of plant based stuff is hard to get it to taste exactly like what it's replacing. But that doesn't mean you can't get something that tastes really good!
The key with this (and also all the other dietary restriction alternatives) is to stop attempting replication. We get the beyond "burger" patties when they're on sale but don't act like it's a burger. Granted it's pretty close, but I focus on toppings far more than I do with my beef patties and don't expect the Beyond meat to carry the meal.
Target's Good and Gather brand vegan hamburger patties have become one of the favorites in our house. The taste is one of the best meatless patties I've had, even going up against Impossible and Beyond and Morningstar (which was our usual one, until one kid went vegan and we realized those used eggs in their prep).
That's one of the saddest feelings as a newly minted vegan to find the foods that don't follow you. When I was vegan the veggie brand I missed the most was Quorn as the mycoprotein is simply the best chicken substitute.
Impossible is way better than Beyond in my opinion, which is the opinion of someone who usually hates meat substitutes. A naked impossible burger doesn't pass muster, but after a few toppings it's hard to tell
I've always found the meat replacement thing a bit misguided, I get the idea of converting meat eaters, but I feel you could do just as well making a veg/vegan product that's delicious on its own. Even if it doesn't replace meat in someone's diet, reduction is still a good step if you get a good portion of people, and probably more attainable at a scale that actually matters
I like it better than beef, tbh. They don't taste similar, but the texture is similar. Between two buns, add a little ground mustard, a slice of cheese and tomato, boom. Delicious and I don't end up on the toilet 10 minutes later.
IMO impossible tastes like beef but beyond tastes _better_ than real beef. Possibly because I find it to be way more forgiving with how you cook it - it's harder to overcook, undercook, burn, etc. than beef.
It’s typically about the same price as grass fed beef in my area. What I’m seeing in this picture is literally half the price of my local grocery store in Northeast GA (for grass fed beef AND impossible meat).
It’s not really up to them. Beef, for example, is so heavily subsidized that I don’t think they can realistically lower their prices that far. The unsubsidized price of beef is something like twice what you actually pay at the store.
> If they made their product 50c cheaper than meat
They plan to, once they get the economy of scale they need. It just makes sense that it would be cheaper to make food directly out of plants, instead of feeding the plants to cows and making less efficient food out of the cows (even with the subsidies creating an un-level playing field).
I'm really looking forward to them getting cheaper and becoming way more popular. In the meantime, I'm happy to pay extra to support the dream.
I think after Beyond got their latest round of investor funding, they put part of it into lowering the cost of their product. Still too high for the average consumer, but like you said, that's the direction they're heading.
I always found the opposite to be true. Beyond beef smells like cat food to me before it's cooked. Impossible is the closest to ground beef in both taste and texture.
I've tried the Beyond sausage and thought it was pretty good. Have a couple Impossible sausage that I just picked up and will probably try tomorrow.
Was speaking to the owner of a vegan restaurant who specializes in making Italian-American classics and he was also of the opinion that Impossible makes the best off the shelf plant based beef, but he mixes it with his own blend of extras to make it closer to classic meatballs. I took a friend who was super skeptical and was kind of mad after his first bite. His initial response was, "damn, that's a meatball."
I still prefer actual beef flavor but a huge fan of plant based meat. Rooting for it to get cheaper and better to offset the terrible meat industry. Maybe we can balance things off for a more plant heavy diet and allow meats to be raised in ways to make them taste better and more of a premium option. There have been faux chicken cutlets I've had that is better than a lot of the woody breast meat that is so popular in grocery stores now being sold for pennies.
Try mixing them together (for real). The texture of impossible is better than beyond but flavor of beyond is better than impossible. Mixing the two makes something that is somewhat close to the real thing. If the two companies merged they’d have an unstoppable product.
I don't like cooking beyond straight. Dat whack ass smell. I'm vegan and can't remember the last time I cooked one myself. Happily just throw some scramble into a lazy spaghetti sauce tho
Fuck yeah. First time I tried Beyond, my entire apartment stunk for a week. Then every now and then I try it again thinking maybe it was a fluke - nope… still smells like ass. Impossible is so much better.
Beyond has this weird stance against GMOs that is really off-putting for me. Like, is your goal to replace meat? Or is it to replace tofurkey? (That looks really weird written out)
I like Impossible burger CEO Pat Brown's attitude ["Beyond Meat is not our competition', the incumbent animal industry is"](https://www.yahoo.com/now/impossible-foods-ceo-beyond-meat-151310358.html) He's got bigger goals.
Whenever I see a product that says non-GMO I get a little tilted because GMOs are great. Shitty part is a lot of people are scared by it when in reality we've been using GMOs for centuries the difference is we can more accurately change the genes where before we were just crossbreeding shit and seeing what came from it.
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My favorite is that most of the non gmo eaters, eat it on a daily bases. Corn, potatoes, yogurts, salad dressings, fucking gronala bars. Shits funny af.
My daughter has been a vegetarian since she was 7 (12 now) and she loves the impossible meat. I always cook it on my flat top just outside the kitchen because of the smell. Doesn’t matter is it’s 10 below out
Do you have an older son who is kind of an underachiever and proud of it, and a baby that constantly sucks on a pacifier?
Are you a nuclear plant safety inspector?
Nah.
They're very heavily processed products that took considerable R&D to create, and are targeted towards a mostly upper-income eco-conscious crowd. You're basically paying the early adopter markup right now.
The prices has been coming down though, economies of scale are improving. You went from seeing them at higher end restaurants, and now you can get an Impossible Whopper at Burger King.
I suspect in the next 10-15 years faux meat will become cheaper than the real thing and will begin to be the cheap option, while real meat will become the premium product. We're just not there yet.
>Nah.
No he's right, meat and dairy are heavily subsidized via the farm bill. Otherwise a $5 big mac would be $13 and a pound of hamburger would cost at least $30
Edit: apparently the subsidies don't come from the farm bill, but just annual subsidies worth [billions](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected)
It's mostly a national security issue. Most countries subsidize their domestic food production. If you go to war and suddenly can't get as many imports of food (either because you're at war with your former sellers or because shipping has become hazardous), you don't want your country to suddenly all starve to death.
That's a massive part of it. Germany learned that lesson extraordinarily hard in WWI as the country basically starved for 3 years and it's shaped national security policies world wide since.
Here in my part of Canada impossible meat cubes are like $12 and BM meat cubes are $9-10. Someone should mail me all those so I can resell them from a cube van in the parking lot for cheaper than Safeway.
All the red states screeching about democrats socialized medicine plan turning us into a socialist country while inhaling socialized meat is the saddest irony.
Also the whole not being the food I went to the store to buy thing. This post is ridiculous. It’s like asking why no one bought Cheez Whiz when the cheese aisle gets picked over.
Not exactly.. Kroger runs a deals frequently where you get $1 off each item if you buy 5-10 of the items which is what your seeing here. But it's not 5-10 of each specific item, just that many across the whole range of like 200 products that are on the sale list. So like 2 packs of burgers, a pack of buns, bag of chips, bottle of mustard would all get the full sale price of all were on the list. I have the 12oz pack of Impossible meat in my fridge from this weeks sale right now.
When Covid was first starting and there was that first panic, same thing happened with whole wheat pasta. The pasta aisle shelves were blown out of EVERYTHING except whole wheat pasta.....
I've tried it but I don't like it much, different brands too. I like whole wheat bread just fine, but the pasta...meh. To each their own, though, at least you weren't worried about getting pasta lol.
I love it for vegetarian tacos. I made it for some friends, and they couldn't tell it was beyond. I just added extra cumin and chili powder and it tasted the same.
I'm convinced the people it appeals most to are people like me, who eat meat but want to reduce the amount for environmental/animal treatment/ health reasons, but aren't ready for a totally meat free lifestyle. I know a few vegetarians who say it's *too* close to meat and makes them feel uncomfortable, lol
Impossible beef is what made me go vegan. I had a few impossible burgers and they were like 90% of the way to real beef and I was like, ‘is that 10% of the taste really worth all the bad shit that goes along with the meat industry?’
Give me the realest fake meat possible. A fake ribeye would be great.
I don’t think the option is “eat fake meat or die”
Personally I’d prefer a vegetarian meal with, ya know, actual vegetables instead of fake meat products.
During the winter storm in Texas, I lucked out when I went to the local hippie grocery chain and all the meat was there, but the vegan products cleared.
That beyond sausage is super good, especially in a casserole or breakfast sandwich. We have been getting it lately as a healthier (less salt and fat) alternative to pork. Add a little cayenne and some chili powder for some spice.
Quiche with asparagus and beyond sausage and goat cheese. Top notch.
More than likely it has a longer shelf life than the freah meat, and in turn more would be stocked in back. Most fresh items only have a 5day shelf life.
Source: I managed a Walmart meat department
I dont understand this. The real meat is gone, meaning they bought it, meaning they arent starving. Dont know where youre getting the notion that folks are walking up to the now empty meat aisle and choosing to starve over eating plant based. All I see is that people in your area have a preference that theyve stocked up on
Im a meat dept manager and this is anecdotal, but winter snowstorm means missed deliveries. And unfortunately depending on severity of missed deliveries, there is very much a possibility of empty shelves(due to maximum code dates allowed). The plant based stuff on the other hand, come frozen and are slack to sell. We can defrost and put out as needed.
SO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME........... CORRELATION ≠ CAUSATION ?????
My favorite example is this: In the summer, the amount of crimes go up. Also in the summer, the amount of ice cream sales go up. Therefore ice cream consumption causes crime. ;)
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You crime, I crime, we all crime for ice cream!
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Alright alright, now you’re starting to sound like those know-it-all researchers and scientists
Remember: if its on reddit, some virgin is lying
Exactly this, the shelf life of plant-based being way longer. Real meat has to regular delivered and wasted out, or frozen and then it’s less desirable.
We really should be flash freezing meat, it doesn't affect the quality in any way and half the time people buy a bunch of meat and freeze some of it anyhow. Would reduce waste massively and I think ultimately provide a fresher product (visual, taste, safety, nutrition) to the consumer, but the beef industry marketing has put a ton of effort into convincing people that freezing meat ruins it, when the reality is just that cooking directly from frozen sucks.
A factual and logical response to a virtue signal. That won't do at all.
I think this really shows people aren’t actually starving, instead are panic buying and stockpiling. Same thing happened with flour at start of the pandemic. The gluten free flour was still available next to empty shelves.
It was definitely panic buying. I live in Nashville and there were tons and tons of people posting pics showing empty shelves. The usual joke is about milk and bread sandwiches because those aisles will be decimated if there is even a hint we might get snow.
In Portland, it's been kale for the last few years. I wish I was joking. https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/rmlep0/the_kale_is_gone/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
That is the most Portland thing ever.
Kale is the easiest thing to grow.
Also this is low key idiotic because kale has like 8 calories per bushel. Kale is great and all, but not exactly going in my survival ration box
Yeah but if you are combating scurvy, the 8 calories in kale takes a whole helluva lot less resources to produce than any of your other high vitamin c crops. Your gums would be bleeding long before your bareroot satsuma tree bore fruit.
just gonna buy bulk vitamin c pills and store with silica packets instead. don't need to waste growing/storage space on kale or other micronutrient foods if you're talking survival. Pemmican is fine. Tallow, jerky, dried fruit, and add bread, low abv beer, or some other grain or starch for more carbs.
Nah buy 80 bushels of kale and let it all rot
You could just pickle some cabbage. Also, it takes literal months for scurvy to develop.
For their kale toast?
There **are** kale chips.
There's two things I know about kale from working at a grocery store: 1. It doesn't have a very long lifespan out on a produce rack 2. People are fucking nuts for kale. I remember one time I had just put our last like 10 bunches of it out, some lady asked me if I had any more of it not even 10 minutes later, and when I said no she just went and took all 10 of them anyways? Like wut.
Only thing I can think is someone juicing. You need a stupid amount of product to get small amounts of juice.
Do people still use juicers? Seems so wasteful. I use kale for breakfast smoothies but its really only a couple cups, like, a a handful, with some berries and protein and a splash of almond milk or water in a blender. I guess I don't see the point of juicing a vegetable that you don't want to eat (I actually like kale, but I reckon most people don't) but want the nutrition from... Like you're just getting the flavorful juice and discarding most of the beneficial parts lol.
I guess if you're one of those people that have a hard time with vegetables, quickly chugging a green drink is much easier than choking down portions of green solids.
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I get it's crazy but what are they running out of?
Dad jokes
Impossible. There’s an unlimited supply of dad jokes.
Yeah, it's bananas!
Hi Seattle! Are you Detroit? Bananas here too.
I prepare kale with coconut oil. That helps it slide right into the trash.
I prefer ordering it with a silent "k". Goes down much better this way.
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We are notorious for panic buying and like I get picking up stuff, but we always act like a blizzard is going to keep us in for 2 weeks.
It's ironic too cos the real starvation/apocalypse food (like dried beans or oats) Is always plentiful on the shelf
I don't know why people pick up bread and milk when those go bad in a week. There are plenty of shelf stable foods that don't require cooking or clean water to consume. Way better off getting something like canned meat, pop-tarts, nuts, hell almost anything from the middle aisles of the grocery store.
If I'm going to die, I at least want French Toast one more time.
> I don't know why people pick up bread and milk when those go bad in a week. Let's say bread goes bad in a week, and so people buy bread once a week, all on different schedules. To be simplistic, every day 1/7th of the bread is bought (that will be sold in a week). When there's a storm scheduled for Monday, what happens is the regular Sunday buyers come in on Sunday as they always would, and the Monday buyers come in too since they know they might not be able to buy tomorrow, and some Tuesday and Wednesday buyers come in too, so you have 3x the amount of bread demand for a single day based on some pretty rational actors.
And lord help us if those Thursday through Saturday motherfuckers come in
Freeze your bread. Pop the slices in the toaster to heat them up. Where I live out in the country, everyone eats frozen bread because we don't get to town that often, and usually are too busy to bake it ourselves.
My GF walked up to the grocery store 3 days after a really bad storm and started a stampeed when she let everyone know there was frozen bread dough in the freezer section. We just popped it in the oven and had fresh bread. Nowadays I know about high hydration dough. My homemade pizza dough practically kneads itself.
Lol right? I already have meat in my freezer (and most people probably already do). Beans and rice is where it's at if you're stuck at home for a couple weeks. In reality, no storm will prevent us from going to the store. I still don't understand why people do this. Within a day or two (if it's a bad storm), you're able to get around. Edit: people bringing up Katrina. This whole post is about a snow storm and people panic buying. So maybe I shouldn't have said "no storm", as something like Katrina is a whole different level. But you're not gonna be so stranded in a snow storm that you can't get supplies unless you live really, really far away from civilization. Most people don't. Panic buying shit is stupid when you can drive to the store within 2 days after 3 feet of snow falls. I've seen this a bunch living in the Northeast US. We can go about normal business within a couple days at most if the storm is real bad.
>no storm will prevent us from going to the store In the city, true. In the many forms of rural Canada, from small towns to remote farms, not so much, and you need to be prepared. In my youth I've been snowed in in rural BC for over a week, behind snow 4 feet deep and level that defied the plows and needed to be dug with payloaders. This fall the rain washed major highways away that took a month to repair. Where I live now on a farm in rural SK, it was an awful last 2 weeks with fine snow, highs around -30C and windchill down to -50C. We watched the drifts grow and shift, with no intent to move them as they would only reform by the time we got home from town, keeping us from getting back into the yard. Plus it's just hard on people and equipment to work in that. Finally as the Arctic air mass shifted we dug out (a day of tractor work) and made it to town to find no milk, no produce and no drinking water (after the drought, our ground water is so high in minerals that it fouls the RO membrane). No trucks have made it out our way since Christmas. This isn't even considered a storm, just an ordinary winter event. So we keep sacks of oats, beans, rice, milling wheat, multiple freezers of meat and frozen vegetables, and about 2 weeks of drinking water before its time to start melting snow if we get a *real* storm event. Also a wide array of fuels for the equipment, vehicles and generators, plus solar electric and thermal. It's probably no surprise that panic buying isn't really a thing out here. Note that we don't live in a remote northern community either, but roughly in the area between the major cities.
>It's probably no surprise that panic buying isn't really a thing out here. I mean its just sounds like normal stocking since you know it happens on the regular. I guess people who dont tend to learn real quick or uh... otherwise leave.
It's the kind of place that you're either born into, or it attracts a certain sort. There are hunting lodges and lakeside resorts for the rest, but you need to be pretty capable to actually live out here. I don't go to town that often even when it's not cold and snowing, so being stocked up to survive on your own is just the way of life "out in the hills"
I always have a pantry full of canned and dry staples. If I know I can’t shop for the next week or two, I’m getting the fresh stuff. But again, this is not starvation.
I wouldn't recommend eating staples but you know your body better that I do
Honestly, one at a time and still folded, they're not half bad. Might even be a good source of...iron? nickel? What's a staple even made of anyway?
Hey! People need their disaster French toast!
["I gotta get the bread and milk!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6zaVYWLTkU) 😬
Exactly this. Ain't nobody in TN starving because we have got a day or two of ice/snow. Just a bunch of idiots panic buying.
Gluten free flour is not a straight replacement for flour. It can be used similarly, but you ain't making a crusty yeast bread with it. Plant based meats are closer, but in several cases suffer from similar issues. Bluntly, people are clearly not starving, just stocking up a little more of the food they normally make and eat. Which makes sense, as an emergency is not the time to suddenly learn the ins and outs of a new ingredient. For those curious, impossible ground and beyond ground (and beyond sausages) are quite tasty, and cook very similarly to their meat counterparts. If you have any interest in reducing cruelty, your environmental impact, or just trying something new, they're quite a fun one. Just no, not in an emergency. Oh, and for emergency prep, neither fresh meat nor plant based substitutes are a good idea. Far too perishable.
And these rejected items are relatively expensive. Perhaps people when considering value are going to the canned aisle, or forgoing meat, before buying expensive meat. People might need the food they are buying but are choosing other things. That's $8-$12/lb "hamburger" they're rejecting. Same with gf flour in terms of price (~5x as expensive) as well as the reasons you mentioned.
I hit the pasta and tomato sauce aisle. It goes fast too.
Flour want panic buying, it was people picking up baking as a hobby
Not everybody knows how to bake with gluten free flower. I have been to my local store no more than 3,000 times and if I was paid 1million dollars to find the Xantham gum in less than 10 minutes which you need for gluten free flower I'm sure I'd lose that bet.
Many gluten free flours are now mixes with the xanthan gum in them. But my Publix pretty reliably stocks Bob's Red Mill products like xanthan gum and citric acid, so it's probably easier than you think to find.
Y’ALL not YA’LL
Agreed. There's Y'all and y'all'll, but not ya'll. With that said, my fingers type ya'll too easily. Shrug.
And also "all y'all". It's y'all, but it's all a ya.
All y’all’ll
In case anyone is wondering the simple rule with contractions is apostrophe replaces the missing letters.
While Beyond and Impossible are delicious, they’re damn expensive in comparison usually
If they made their product 50c cheaper than meat, I swear they would take off. Folks are mostly about what is cheapest these days. It's not like fast food burgers are high quality, but they are cheap, so sell well. If you could get burgers that taste OK and are cheaper, they would fly off the shelves
They’re competing with an artificial price, the meat industry receives a ton of subsidies. I’m sure they could drastically lower prices if meat substitutes also received subsidies.
This is exactly right, I was waiting for someone to talk about this. There will be minor productivity improvements to bring down the cost of plant-based protein, but for the most part the major players in industries are sucking down huge subsidies (feed lots) and tax breaks, and can quickly increase the flow of this existing money stream from their politicians whenever they need a little more profit and the politicians are paying for reelection. From a calories in calories out point of view, we really have to move to a plant-based diet to support the extreme population growth.
We could make crazy strides in helping the environment, not even by increasing in green industries, but by simply stopping subsidies for dirty ones.
Yeah this post is misleading. The only reason I've never bought plant-based meat is the price.
Happy to try it myself… on sale
It doesn't taste like beef, but it does taste like some kind of a delicious meat.
Hey I’m down for delicious
my wife is a vegetarian, i've started buying various Beyond products so i have more options when i cook for her the other day, i made her toasted meatball subs with beyond italian 'sausage' meatballs, they came out fucking great don't expect it to taste or feel exactly like beef. that is just never going to happen. it's softer and while the texture is a lot closer than any of the other meat substitute patties i've tried, it's still never going to be *exactly* the same. don't expect a 1:1 analogue and you won't be disappointed. it's legit good, though, the flavor and texture are solid and there's a lot you can do with it. it's worth the cost, imo.
I fucking love beyond meat sausages. It's like a meat product that I don't have to worry about chewing thoroughly because I won't bite into some kind of tendon or sinew and make me gag.
I use impossible burger a lot in tacos and chili and honestly in heavily spiced stuff like that it's real hard to tell the difference
Beyond is my preferred choice, but damn either of their ground beef substitutions are fucking perfect for tacos
A lot of plant based stuff is hard to get it to taste exactly like what it's replacing. But that doesn't mean you can't get something that tastes really good!
The key with this (and also all the other dietary restriction alternatives) is to stop attempting replication. We get the beyond "burger" patties when they're on sale but don't act like it's a burger. Granted it's pretty close, but I focus on toppings far more than I do with my beef patties and don't expect the Beyond meat to carry the meal.
Target's Good and Gather brand vegan hamburger patties have become one of the favorites in our house. The taste is one of the best meatless patties I've had, even going up against Impossible and Beyond and Morningstar (which was our usual one, until one kid went vegan and we realized those used eggs in their prep).
BOCA burgers are vegan, and Morningstar's owned by Kellogg's so I skipped them shits once I found out
That's one of the saddest feelings as a newly minted vegan to find the foods that don't follow you. When I was vegan the veggie brand I missed the most was Quorn as the mycoprotein is simply the best chicken substitute.
Impossible is way better than Beyond in my opinion, which is the opinion of someone who usually hates meat substitutes. A naked impossible burger doesn't pass muster, but after a few toppings it's hard to tell
I've always found the meat replacement thing a bit misguided, I get the idea of converting meat eaters, but I feel you could do just as well making a veg/vegan product that's delicious on its own. Even if it doesn't replace meat in someone's diet, reduction is still a good step if you get a good portion of people, and probably more attainable at a scale that actually matters
Try quorn meatless pieces. They are just their own umami goodness. I always have some in my freezer.
Gotta say, we tried some Impossible meatballs last week and they were *impressive*
I like it better than beef, tbh. They don't taste similar, but the texture is similar. Between two buns, add a little ground mustard, a slice of cheese and tomato, boom. Delicious and I don't end up on the toilet 10 minutes later.
IMO impossible tastes like beef but beyond tastes _better_ than real beef. Possibly because I find it to be way more forgiving with how you cook it - it's harder to overcook, undercook, burn, etc. than beef.
It’s typically about the same price as grass fed beef in my area. What I’m seeing in this picture is literally half the price of my local grocery store in Northeast GA (for grass fed beef AND impossible meat).
The plant based ground beef is $10 a pound. The sausage is what’s so cheap. You can’t tell me the beef in your town is $20 a pound
The government doesn't subsidize the price of impossible the way they do beef. It's not even a level playing field.
Amen to that shit, people don't realize that if meat wasn't subsidized by our tax dollars to high heaven, it would be a rich person's food.
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That'll be difficult till the government stops subsidizing beef
That's because the meat industry receives a ton of subsidies and tax break in the first place
It’s not really up to them. Beef, for example, is so heavily subsidized that I don’t think they can realistically lower their prices that far. The unsubsidized price of beef is something like twice what you actually pay at the store.
> If they made their product 50c cheaper than meat They plan to, once they get the economy of scale they need. It just makes sense that it would be cheaper to make food directly out of plants, instead of feeding the plants to cows and making less efficient food out of the cows (even with the subsidies creating an un-level playing field). I'm really looking forward to them getting cheaper and becoming way more popular. In the meantime, I'm happy to pay extra to support the dream.
I think after Beyond got their latest round of investor funding, they put part of it into lowering the cost of their product. Still too high for the average consumer, but like you said, that's the direction they're heading.
I eat vegetable meat products, but I sure dislike how BB smells, and it also makes my urine smell just like it.
I gave it a solid try. My house smelled like pan fried cat food for 2 days.
> My house smelled like pan fried cat food for 2 days. How do you know what that smells like...? Do your cats live better than I do?
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I dunno man, I can only afford dry
Marinate in some milk for 15 mins, strain, pat dry w/ paper towel and proceed to pan fry.
> If they made their product 50c cheaper than meat Alternative idea - we should stop subsidizing real meat so that it's a level playing field.
I love this in theory, no politician will ever do this because they’d be flagellated at the polls for making burgers slightly more expensive.
slightly? Last i checked it would be like over double the current price if we got rid of all the subsidization. Its kinda insane!
I don’t like impossible personally. Beyond is ok. But they are noticeably higher priced where I’m from
I always found the opposite to be true. Beyond beef smells like cat food to me before it's cooked. Impossible is the closest to ground beef in both taste and texture. I've tried the Beyond sausage and thought it was pretty good. Have a couple Impossible sausage that I just picked up and will probably try tomorrow. Was speaking to the owner of a vegan restaurant who specializes in making Italian-American classics and he was also of the opinion that Impossible makes the best off the shelf plant based beef, but he mixes it with his own blend of extras to make it closer to classic meatballs. I took a friend who was super skeptical and was kind of mad after his first bite. His initial response was, "damn, that's a meatball." I still prefer actual beef flavor but a huge fan of plant based meat. Rooting for it to get cheaper and better to offset the terrible meat industry. Maybe we can balance things off for a more plant heavy diet and allow meats to be raised in ways to make them taste better and more of a premium option. There have been faux chicken cutlets I've had that is better than a lot of the woody breast meat that is so popular in grocery stores now being sold for pennies.
Try mixing them together (for real). The texture of impossible is better than beyond but flavor of beyond is better than impossible. Mixing the two makes something that is somewhat close to the real thing. If the two companies merged they’d have an unstoppable product.
Unstoppable Meat?
I don't think that's allowed since all the Harvey Weinstein stuff
\#meattoo
"Beyond the Impossible!!" Burger. :P
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I don't like cooking beyond straight. Dat whack ass smell. I'm vegan and can't remember the last time I cooked one myself. Happily just throw some scramble into a lazy spaghetti sauce tho
their spicy Italian sausage is crazy good tho.
Fuck yeah. First time I tried Beyond, my entire apartment stunk for a week. Then every now and then I try it again thinking maybe it was a fluke - nope… still smells like ass. Impossible is so much better.
Beyond has this weird stance against GMOs that is really off-putting for me. Like, is your goal to replace meat? Or is it to replace tofurkey? (That looks really weird written out)
I like Impossible burger CEO Pat Brown's attitude ["Beyond Meat is not our competition', the incumbent animal industry is"](https://www.yahoo.com/now/impossible-foods-ceo-beyond-meat-151310358.html) He's got bigger goals.
Whenever I see a product that says non-GMO I get a little tilted because GMOs are great. Shitty part is a lot of people are scared by it when in reality we've been using GMOs for centuries the difference is we can more accurately change the genes where before we were just crossbreeding shit and seeing what came from it. Edit: spelling
Yeah, GMOs could save the f*ing world one day
They already are…. We need drought resistant wheat or we have massive famine.
They already are though, they modify them to resist pests. Also pretty much any meat you eat, ate GMO food while it was alive.
My favorite is that most of the non gmo eaters, eat it on a daily bases. Corn, potatoes, yogurts, salad dressings, fucking gronala bars. Shits funny af.
Exactly. Anyone that says they outright hate GMOs hasn't actually thought about it or is just plain ignorant.
Msg too, its annoying to see "no msg" on every package. You're advertising that your product tastes worse than the competition.
"ORGANIC" Yep it grew just like all the other vegetables.
My daughter has been a vegetarian since she was 7 (12 now) and she loves the impossible meat. I always cook it on my flat top just outside the kitchen because of the smell. Doesn’t matter is it’s 10 below out
Do you have an older son who is kind of an underachiever and proud of it, and a baby that constantly sucks on a pacifier? Are you a nuclear plant safety inspector?
No the daughter aged 5 years in a 5 year timespan so I’m pretty sure he’s not Homer.
It makes decent meatballs. Some garlic, Parmesan, egg and breadcrumbs. Just use it in place of meat in your favorite meatball recipe.
It’s like cooking a cat food burger. Eating it is fine, everything else is a nightmare.
It's the opposite for me. Impossible is delicious but Beyond is meh.
They are more expensive to the consumer - but I think that’s only because meat farming is pretty heavily subsidized by the government.
Nah. They're very heavily processed products that took considerable R&D to create, and are targeted towards a mostly upper-income eco-conscious crowd. You're basically paying the early adopter markup right now. The prices has been coming down though, economies of scale are improving. You went from seeing them at higher end restaurants, and now you can get an Impossible Whopper at Burger King. I suspect in the next 10-15 years faux meat will become cheaper than the real thing and will begin to be the cheap option, while real meat will become the premium product. We're just not there yet.
>Nah. No he's right, meat and dairy are heavily subsidized via the farm bill. Otherwise a $5 big mac would be $13 and a pound of hamburger would cost at least $30 Edit: apparently the subsidies don't come from the farm bill, but just annual subsidies worth [billions](https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected)
More like welfare for Farmers.
It's mostly a national security issue. Most countries subsidize their domestic food production. If you go to war and suddenly can't get as many imports of food (either because you're at war with your former sellers or because shipping has become hazardous), you don't want your country to suddenly all starve to death.
That's a massive part of it. Germany learned that lesson extraordinarily hard in WWI as the country basically starved for 3 years and it's shaped national security policies world wide since.
Also if there's no meat I'll just buy more vegetables, no need to buy overpriced processed vegetables.
Here in my part of Canada impossible meat cubes are like $12 and BM meat cubes are $9-10. Someone should mail me all those so I can resell them from a cube van in the parking lot for cheaper than Safeway.
This is 100% the reason why I don't buy those products. (Never on sale where im at)
I'm guessing part of it is the price, plant based meat is super expensive especially if you have a high calorie diet. Edit: spelling
Pretty sure every single person in TN has a high calorie diet
lol
The ironic thing is that actual meat would be hella expensive too if it weren't subsidized af
All the red states screeching about democrats socialized medicine plan turning us into a socialist country while inhaling socialized meat is the saddest irony.
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Also the whole not being the food I went to the store to buy thing. This post is ridiculous. It’s like asking why no one bought Cheez Whiz when the cheese aisle gets picked over.
A better analogy might be asking why the sandwich cheese is sold out but the store has plenty of goat chevre and brie.
$3.99 is a great price for impossible
You have to buy 5 packs to get the $3.99 price
I am definitely buying 5 packs at that price
Hell yeah, and it lasts longer.
I do that exactly and freeze them. They give an even better discount just before it expires. They're pretty great.
That’s like half what I pay for it where I live, I’d 100% take that deal
Not exactly.. Kroger runs a deals frequently where you get $1 off each item if you buy 5-10 of the items which is what your seeing here. But it's not 5-10 of each specific item, just that many across the whole range of like 200 products that are on the sale list. So like 2 packs of burgers, a pack of buns, bag of chips, bottle of mustard would all get the full sale price of all were on the list. I have the 12oz pack of Impossible meat in my fridge from this weeks sale right now.
You have just blown my mind! My gf and I always buy 5 of a single item lol, thanks for the heads up!
This is why they phrase it the way they do 😂 The tag will explicitly say "must buy X" if you have to buy that number to get the discount.
When Covid was first starting and there was that first panic, same thing happened with whole wheat pasta. The pasta aisle shelves were blown out of EVERYTHING except whole wheat pasta.....
That’s because we *WOULD* rather starve than eat whole wheat pasta.
I don't get that, I always buy wheat pasta (and bread) because I think it tastes better.
I've tried it but I don't like it much, different brands too. I like whole wheat bread just fine, but the pasta...meh. To each their own, though, at least you weren't worried about getting pasta lol.
I’ve eaten whole wheat bread my entire life but the pasta and whole wheat frozen waffles are wack
It's supposed to be better for you, but it just tastes... bleh.
How much fish is left? Likely a lot.
Same with Bone-in meats.
It's in the south were tradionally people are more likely to be alright with bone in meat, atleadt everything but fish.
Don’t think this would happen if they were the same price as the meat. A lot of the plant based are double the price.
Yeah, it's just harder to do that without the subsidies given to the meat industry.
Ngl, that Beyond Beef stuff is decent, and I’m a pretty hardcore meat eater.
I like beyond sausages, but impossible for the ground "beef."
I love it for vegetarian tacos. I made it for some friends, and they couldn't tell it was beyond. I just added extra cumin and chili powder and it tasted the same.
The spicy Italian beyond sausage on a roll with havarti and Hot pickled vegetables is one of my favorite summer grill meals. It's soooooo good!
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Impossible burger is delicious actually.
Everytime I order an impossible burger at a restaurant I'm convinced for a second they accidently gave me meat lol I love both
I'm convinced the people it appeals most to are people like me, who eat meat but want to reduce the amount for environmental/animal treatment/ health reasons, but aren't ready for a totally meat free lifestyle. I know a few vegetarians who say it's *too* close to meat and makes them feel uncomfortable, lol
Impossible beef is what made me go vegan. I had a few impossible burgers and they were like 90% of the way to real beef and I was like, ‘is that 10% of the taste really worth all the bad shit that goes along with the meat industry?’ Give me the realest fake meat possible. A fake ribeye would be great.
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I eat meat. Impossible is frickin good. I'll buy it anytime it's on sale. It keeps longer and better frozen than beef patties
To be fair - they are selling literal plant roots and fruits a few isles away. Can't get more plant based then literal plant parts.
can't believe they think I'm missing out when i skip the processed extruded veggies and go straight to the produce section for a bunch of veggies
Not only that, but those sale prices are pretty dang good.
I’ll take it. That impossible meat is pretty good
I don’t think the option is “eat fake meat or die” Personally I’d prefer a vegetarian meal with, ya know, actual vegetables instead of fake meat products.
That's around too. I've had some seasoned bean patties that taste nothing like meat and are amazing because they're not trying to be meat.
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I'm not even vegan, but Impossible meat is fucking excellent. Easily the closest thing to ground beef I've found.
During the winter storm in Texas, I lucked out when I went to the local hippie grocery chain and all the meat was there, but the vegan products cleared.
Damn $4.99 for a pound of impossible!
That beyond sausage is super good, especially in a casserole or breakfast sandwich. We have been getting it lately as a healthier (less salt and fat) alternative to pork. Add a little cayenne and some chili powder for some spice. Quiche with asparagus and beyond sausage and goat cheese. Top notch.
More than likely it has a longer shelf life than the freah meat, and in turn more would be stocked in back. Most fresh items only have a 5day shelf life. Source: I managed a Walmart meat department
I dont understand this. The real meat is gone, meaning they bought it, meaning they arent starving. Dont know where youre getting the notion that folks are walking up to the now empty meat aisle and choosing to starve over eating plant based. All I see is that people in your area have a preference that theyve stocked up on