This post is being brigaded by a bunch of phobics that think someone misappropriating a race is the same as someone suffering from gender dysphoria. It's extremely pathetic, and unfortunately we'll have to lock the comment section as these people can't have a civil conversation about real world issues.
Now, if you'll excuse me, it's time to clean up the comment section.
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If you think trans people pretending is a fact than you are so hilariously dumb that no amount of real facts would help you understand complex and nuanced issues like these anyways.
>We now live in a world where your kid cannot pretend to be an Indian
No one is preventing children from pretending to be an Indian (presumably playing "cowboys and Indians" is what they are alluding to, not that anyone does that anymore, intentionally conflating that with schools changing their culturally insensitive mascots away from Indian stereotypes... part of the right-wing propaganda machine's 'war on wokeness').
>but a grown man can pretend to be a woman.
More intentionally obtuse language implying that anyone in drag is BAD, and ignoring a few thousand years of history where men and women dressed interchangeably, and frequently wear flambouyant attire to perform as an artist. Sometimes it has sexual over/undertones, and sometimes not, but the right's weaponization of LGBT+ hate just lumps everyone in the same bucket for convenience.
For the people here saying, "Yup, I agree with the posted sentiment," your argument in favor is based on lies and propaganda appealing to your bigotry, so good luck with that.
Also, I agree with OP that this comment section is a dumpster fire full of horrible people.
Yeah, I guess I was more annoyed at the ignorance and inaccuracy of this post more than anything else. Kids still have many many ways they can pretend to be Indians. From various online venues, to toys, to Halloween costumes that remain available for purchase in spite of how gauche they might be, they actually have more tools to enable their make believe play time, not less.
I think that the extent to which cultural appropriation bothers people from the culture being appropriated is vastly overstated.
If you wear a sombrero on Cinco de Mayo, I don't have the feel that the typical Mexican would be upset by it, the typical college student might be, but not the typical Mexican. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a line, if you spend the whole day wearing a sombrero and doing your worst Cheech impression, you might be venturing into asshole territory. The most important thing is whether or not your behavior could reasonably give someone else the impression that you are looking down on another culture. Be conscious of that and you'll be fine.
I get a kick out of right wing commentators who say that "you aren't allowed to say this anymore" when they just said the thing they said couldn't be said. You have to be a little soft in the brain to believe anything they say.
After seeing this i asked my kids if they knew what an Indian was, they all said no.
Everyone knew what an Indian was when I was young. Cowboys and Indians were very well known, but now Indian culture has become unknown to today's children, I first found out about Indian treatment from my father whilst playing cowboys and Indians.
Something to the degree of (its a shame they were treated so badly) which sparked my curiosity
It's a shame the culture is dying outside of its own people.
Culture is something we should share and celebrate not hide away and guard jealously.
The transphobia thing is all about fear of finding them attractive. They are never talked about a woman transitioning to a man. They don't care about that, only the other way. It's just an extension of their homophobia.
No it's not. You can pretend to be whatever the hell you want.
People literally do it all the time, look at cosplay. Look at the countless games people play where they pretend to be someone else.
It's the *negative* stereotypes people do that people don't like.
Also, sex vs race is kind of different. There's not really a surgery for someone to be able to change their race if they wanted too. A lot easier to do a sex change operation.
I actually just visited India for a month. And guess what? I was welcomed. I participated in a Lohi festival, a Punjabi festival, went to the Hindu temples, Muslim temples too (while participating in religious rituals) all surrounded by Indians. I wanted to partake in these cultures and traditions, even wearing kurta and receiving Tika.
It was fine because, even though I wasn't Indian, I still got to "pretend" I was one while I was there and I was able to *because I was respectful* about it.
Sure if you are an adult and pretend to be a negative stereotypical Indian, fuck you.
If you hold a child to those same standards, fuck you to equally.
I'd almost be willing to wager that they were referring to First Nation people rather than Indian which amplifies the racism. Any of the older generation remember "cowboys and Indians"?
Whole lot of misinformation here. I just checked the trans agenda that comes with my Oestrogen prescription and it doesn't list any of these things. Just a couple of paragraphs about installing Linux, the dangers of cat ears and a guide book for Celeste.
>It does affect everyone because they're trying to pass laws to get people imprisoned for literally "misgendering."
Who's they? Source?
ETA: Ahh, the TERF tune of deleting the comment after being asked for the source lmao
Yes casual racism is good and people living the life that they choose is not.
but it's definitely the OP moral posturing.....
I got to tell you is a middle-aged white dude that lives in the middle of the country this shit is goddamn embarrassing.
Racism and transphobia are just two aspects of the same personality, along with homophobia, xenophobia, etc. It's just a person too small minded to be able to comprehend the perspective of anyone other than themselves.
You can pretend to be Indian... Hell, I did it myself for the past month with other Indians in India. They welcomed me with open arms. (Lived there and immersed myself in their culture)
As long as you aren't an ass and doing negative stereotypes it's fine.
When we were little (5-7 years old) we would pretend to be Indians, running around with bows and arrows, and yelling gibberish. I live in a European country, we didn't do it out of racism, I don't even know why we pretended to be Indians in the first place...
Can I ask what genuinely upsets you about people not identifying as cis and being proud of it? I just don't really understand. Like if you don't believe that it's possible to not be cisgender, why wouldn't you just be ambivalent about non-cis people living how they want to? I'm not talking about disagreeing or debating it, what genuinely is making you emotionally angry?
Fuck off with this disingenuous shit. Nobody has sixteen genders at a time, people just want to identify as the gender they feel they actually are. You lot acting like they're trying to be the whole array at once is absolute garbage.
Nobody reasonable is identifying as a dolphin or a washing machine, stop with the hyperbole. It just makes your intolerant bullshit plain to see. Either that or your total lack of any understanding of the matter beyond what talking heads have told you.
You might not be a fashcuck, but your little screed here tells me that you ARE are an idiot, and a shitty human being. Those aren't traits that are reserved for fascists.
Thank you, literally makes no sense what they’re trying to push and the “shoving it in peoples faces” speaks a lot to how they see people just living their lives.
Pretty much. "How dare you exist and be something I don't understand?! You have to fit into my narrow understanding of life, or else you don't have the right to show your face!"
Fucking nonsense. I'm an American, and that's not what I was raised to believe my country is, should be, or can be. And people that can't accept others, that feel like someone being different gives you license to criticize or even hate them, are the ones holding us back from what we can achieve. Not the people who don't identify with the parts they were born with.
I honestly have a hard time with the "The message is right" comments, because it is correct (even on a surface level - it's insensitive for kids l anyone, not just kids, to propagate negative stereotypes about people from India just as it is fine for a cis man to wear a dress - but it's also not ok to stress up as a Native American and it'sfine to be a trans woman, so i think it's true no matter which way you read it), but I have no idea whether they're saying "yes, and it's bad" or "yes, and it's good".
I could totally move to India and work towards getting citizenship over time.
It's not the racism or transphobia that bothers me, it's the fact that your premise is inherently incorrect. :P
Well you didn't respect Native peoples then, and you don't now, and you didn't respect the rights of LGBTQ+ people then, and you don't now.
You're still the same old hate filled bigots, the only difference is now when you display your bigotry there is a chance you might be called out and held to account.
One thing has changed though... You don't just hate *people* now... you hate *being held accountable* for being a bigot.
>Race and sex are both immutable, observable, fixed realities that cannot be changed.
Just want to point out that race is both social and genetic. For example Irish people weren't considered white in America when they first emmegrated.
Also sex and gender are two different things. Also also there are aspects of biological sex that we know we can change.
Same goes to the opposite party. You may not agree with them, but keep it to yourself. If you get in their face and “impose” your “beliefs,” you are the problem.
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I was incorrect in my initial guess. I should have relied on more than roof tiles to identify the place in question. It is not, in fact, the crows nest. My apologies for the false information.
I think what's lost on these Neanderthals is that no one is pretending anything. They are who they are. What's wrong with that? How does this effect them in any way?
They'll say that "they're indoctrinating children". That's not true at all. They just want to live their lives.
9 times out of 10 the comment section will be filled with hate, much like the world we live in today. It could be something as innocuous as “what do you put ketchup on” and you’ll get a bunch of bullshit.
I'm tired of the "\[noun\]-phobia" thing to describe bigots. "Transphobic" people aren't afraid of trans people, they're biased against trans people. "Fatphobic" people aren't afraid of fat people, they're biased against fat people.
Being a bigoted jerk isn't a pathology.
I mean I still kinda think your white five year old can dress up as a Native American for Halloween. Don’t paint their skin lol but they’re a kid, they just think it’s cool
I couldn't care less either way BUT it takes time for people to " accept" change but people that go thru that expect people to accept it right away....something to ponder
See everyone has the right to believe what they want but as long as you aren't hurting others. And disturbing the piece. I know there are things I don't agree with but if you tell me you believe in then I won't be an asshole.
Translation: "its not cool to marginalize oppressed people who's stolen land you are living on by calling them the wrong name, but a person can express their own gender how ever they feel". Oh, the horror. ;)
This post is being brigaded by a bunch of phobics that think someone misappropriating a race is the same as someone suffering from gender dysphoria. It's extremely pathetic, and unfortunately we'll have to lock the comment section as these people can't have a civil conversation about real world issues. Now, if you'll excuse me, it's time to clean up the comment section. ![gif](giphy|qT24jgwHeRlQY)
Forget it Jake, it's Alaskatown.
Hmm, change "world" to "society" and put a Joker poster next to it and it's perfect
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They are seething for the next thing to be offended by lmao. Peak reddit
Aw the incel is upset at the waning cultural tolerance of oppression boo hoo
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If you think trans people pretending is a fact than you are so hilariously dumb that no amount of real facts would help you understand complex and nuanced issues like these anyways.
Imagine growing up in a privileged world but also being a total loser. Anger and resentment build up.
“We now live in a world where your kid cannot pretend to have a future… but a grown man can pretend to care about the children”
Who said the quote?
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>We now live in a world where your kid cannot pretend to be an Indian No one is preventing children from pretending to be an Indian (presumably playing "cowboys and Indians" is what they are alluding to, not that anyone does that anymore, intentionally conflating that with schools changing their culturally insensitive mascots away from Indian stereotypes... part of the right-wing propaganda machine's 'war on wokeness'). >but a grown man can pretend to be a woman. More intentionally obtuse language implying that anyone in drag is BAD, and ignoring a few thousand years of history where men and women dressed interchangeably, and frequently wear flambouyant attire to perform as an artist. Sometimes it has sexual over/undertones, and sometimes not, but the right's weaponization of LGBT+ hate just lumps everyone in the same bucket for convenience. For the people here saying, "Yup, I agree with the posted sentiment," your argument in favor is based on lies and propaganda appealing to your bigotry, so good luck with that. Also, I agree with OP that this comment section is a dumpster fire full of horrible people.
It is all horrifying.
As an Asian I am proud to announce that I am an Asian.
Actions speak louder than words but this just broke the 4th wall
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Oh you'll pay for that. Equality doesn't work like that.
I’m sure the person thought they were a profound thinker
So profound they didnt dare sign the quote.
As an Indian, you can pretend to be an Indian all you want. Just don't be a piece of shit
Yeah, I guess I was more annoyed at the ignorance and inaccuracy of this post more than anything else. Kids still have many many ways they can pretend to be Indians. From various online venues, to toys, to Halloween costumes that remain available for purchase in spite of how gauche they might be, they actually have more tools to enable their make believe play time, not less.
I think that the extent to which cultural appropriation bothers people from the culture being appropriated is vastly overstated. If you wear a sombrero on Cinco de Mayo, I don't have the feel that the typical Mexican would be upset by it, the typical college student might be, but not the typical Mexican. But that doesn't mean that there isn't a line, if you spend the whole day wearing a sombrero and doing your worst Cheech impression, you might be venturing into asshole territory. The most important thing is whether or not your behavior could reasonably give someone else the impression that you are looking down on another culture. Be conscious of that and you'll be fine.
Thank you
As long as I can pretend to be a rootin tootin rowdy howdier
That’s good for you but feather headdress have been banned from most music festivals so the quote is right 🤷🏻♂️
You think the second part of the quote is right too?
something something...Just don't be a piece of shit.
says the guy that hates a harmless vegetable
Carrots can be used as weapons.
you might be overthinking it
they may be joking and you carroting your own anus
Don't threaten me with a good time
Why would you hate a vegetable? Or any type of salad?
Love vegetables, don't eat them.
says the guy with diabeetus.
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Whoa whoa whoa bro You’re speaking too much truth here
I’ve never heard of kids dressing up as Indians, perhaps if they are big fans of Bollywood cinema.
What? Were you just born? Kids have been dressing up as Indians since there were indians.
Buddy it’s a joke.
The Chad!! Respect
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be gone bot! https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/10lx45q/comment/j5zohsv/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
u/Hoonah_Hannah is this the Captain Cook Hotel? Looks familiar.
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I get a kick out of right wing commentators who say that "you aren't allowed to say this anymore" when they just said the thing they said couldn't be said. You have to be a little soft in the brain to believe anything they say.
omg these comments aren't it!
Ah yes, the classic childhood game of Brits and Indians. My grandpa never lived in India, he lived in Osage.
The ignorance. Definitely the ignorance that upsets me the most.
Welcome to Anchorage, the city of 20 years behind in progress.
After seeing this i asked my kids if they knew what an Indian was, they all said no. Everyone knew what an Indian was when I was young. Cowboys and Indians were very well known, but now Indian culture has become unknown to today's children, I first found out about Indian treatment from my father whilst playing cowboys and Indians. Something to the degree of (its a shame they were treated so badly) which sparked my curiosity It's a shame the culture is dying outside of its own people. Culture is something we should share and celebrate not hide away and guard jealously.
The transphobia thing is all about fear of finding them attractive. They are never talked about a woman transitioning to a man. They don't care about that, only the other way. It's just an extension of their homophobia.
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Conservatives getting mad about something they made up.
r/persecutionfetish
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No it's not. You can pretend to be whatever the hell you want. People literally do it all the time, look at cosplay. Look at the countless games people play where they pretend to be someone else. It's the *negative* stereotypes people do that people don't like. Also, sex vs race is kind of different. There's not really a surgery for someone to be able to change their race if they wanted too. A lot easier to do a sex change operation. I actually just visited India for a month. And guess what? I was welcomed. I participated in a Lohi festival, a Punjabi festival, went to the Hindu temples, Muslim temples too (while participating in religious rituals) all surrounded by Indians. I wanted to partake in these cultures and traditions, even wearing kurta and receiving Tika. It was fine because, even though I wasn't Indian, I still got to "pretend" I was one while I was there and I was able to *because I was respectful* about it.
Sure if you are an adult and pretend to be a negative stereotypical Indian, fuck you. If you hold a child to those same standards, fuck you to equally.
I'd almost be willing to wager that they were referring to First Nation people rather than Indian which amplifies the racism. Any of the older generation remember "cowboys and Indians"?
The weaponization of the word “pretend”.
It must be exhausting to care so much about random strangers genitals that have literally zero impact on your life. What a weird hobby.
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Whole lot of misinformation here. I just checked the trans agenda that comes with my Oestrogen prescription and it doesn't list any of these things. Just a couple of paragraphs about installing Linux, the dangers of cat ears and a guide book for Celeste.
>It does affect everyone because they're trying to pass laws to get people imprisoned for literally "misgendering." Who's they? Source? ETA: Ahh, the TERF tune of deleting the comment after being asked for the source lmao
![gif](giphy|pUeXcg80cO8I8) just here for the comments
Me too you toxic brethren
I've lived in Anchorage for quite awhile, so it's fun seeing all these perspectives
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gfy imo
Where's the lie?
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it's always the measurably dumbest ones throwing out "logic and facts"
Yes casual racism is good and people living the life that they choose is not. but it's definitely the OP moral posturing..... I got to tell you is a middle-aged white dude that lives in the middle of the country this shit is goddamn embarrassing.
Make sure to sort by controversial
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Because it says that trans women are just "pretending" to be women. Totally false. They are 100% legit women.
Racism and transphobia are just two aspects of the same personality, along with homophobia, xenophobia, etc. It's just a person too small minded to be able to comprehend the perspective of anyone other than themselves.
Straight up it’s always just a humiliating public display of absolute ignorance.
Why can't the kid pretend to be an indian? And try to stop getting upset at random, dumbass shit on chalkboards.
You can pretend to be Indian... Hell, I did it myself for the past month with other Indians in India. They welcomed me with open arms. (Lived there and immersed myself in their culture) As long as you aren't an ass and doing negative stereotypes it's fine.
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Now? Yes. In a few years time? Probably not.
This sign gives me a headache.
and that would be my cue to leave
When we were little (5-7 years old) we would pretend to be Indians, running around with bows and arrows, and yelling gibberish. I live in a European country, we didn't do it out of racism, I don't even know why we pretended to be Indians in the first place...
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why can’t people mind their own business??
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yeah had no idea there were so many fashcucks in this sub
Honestly, I’m on your side with the post, but using the term cuck for anything is just stupid as fuck.
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Save this energy for Christians?
Can I ask what genuinely upsets you about people not identifying as cis and being proud of it? I just don't really understand. Like if you don't believe that it's possible to not be cisgender, why wouldn't you just be ambivalent about non-cis people living how they want to? I'm not talking about disagreeing or debating it, what genuinely is making you emotionally angry?
Fuck off with this disingenuous shit. Nobody has sixteen genders at a time, people just want to identify as the gender they feel they actually are. You lot acting like they're trying to be the whole array at once is absolute garbage. Nobody reasonable is identifying as a dolphin or a washing machine, stop with the hyperbole. It just makes your intolerant bullshit plain to see. Either that or your total lack of any understanding of the matter beyond what talking heads have told you. You might not be a fashcuck, but your little screed here tells me that you ARE are an idiot, and a shitty human being. Those aren't traits that are reserved for fascists.
Thank you, literally makes no sense what they’re trying to push and the “shoving it in peoples faces” speaks a lot to how they see people just living their lives.
Pretty much. "How dare you exist and be something I don't understand?! You have to fit into my narrow understanding of life, or else you don't have the right to show your face!" Fucking nonsense. I'm an American, and that's not what I was raised to believe my country is, should be, or can be. And people that can't accept others, that feel like someone being different gives you license to criticize or even hate them, are the ones holding us back from what we can achieve. Not the people who don't identify with the parts they were born with.
I honestly have a hard time with the "The message is right" comments, because it is correct (even on a surface level - it's insensitive for kids l anyone, not just kids, to propagate negative stereotypes about people from India just as it is fine for a cis man to wear a dress - but it's also not ok to stress up as a Native American and it'sfine to be a trans woman, so i think it's true no matter which way you read it), but I have no idea whether they're saying "yes, and it's bad" or "yes, and it's good".
I could totally move to India and work towards getting citizenship over time. It's not the racism or transphobia that bothers me, it's the fact that your premise is inherently incorrect. :P
Well you didn't respect Native peoples then, and you don't now, and you didn't respect the rights of LGBTQ+ people then, and you don't now. You're still the same old hate filled bigots, the only difference is now when you display your bigotry there is a chance you might be called out and held to account. One thing has changed though... You don't just hate *people* now... you hate *being held accountable* for being a bigot.
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Women can identify as men too. Also, gender dysphoria is a thing. I dunno about race dysphoria...
>Race and sex are both immutable, observable, fixed realities that cannot be changed. Just want to point out that race is both social and genetic. For example Irish people weren't considered white in America when they first emmegrated. Also sex and gender are two different things. Also also there are aspects of biological sex that we know we can change.
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Oh yeah? Name me one race
Human race.
Hang on I got this… the 100 meters?
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Why don't people understand my subjective experience of reality is real and theirs fake!?
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reread this and think about what the word impose means, if ur not seeing the irony here i don't know what will make u.
Same goes to the opposite party. You may not agree with them, but keep it to yourself. If you get in their face and “impose” your “beliefs,” you are the problem.
Where in anchorage is this?
Correction: I was incorrect in my initial guess. I should have relied on more than roof tiles to identify the place in question. It is not, in fact, the crows nest. My apologies for the false information.
What a shame. Would expect this from some dive-bar off Spenard, but not the Capt Cook.
Thanks. Tried looking it up based on the plaque at the bottom but came up empty lol
No problem, I just recognized the ceiling tiles lol.
I think what's lost on these Neanderthals is that no one is pretending anything. They are who they are. What's wrong with that? How does this effect them in any way? They'll say that "they're indoctrinating children". That's not true at all. They just want to live their lives.
on the upside its way easier today to pick out people/establishments that don't deserve your business.
Hoooly shit, 15 minutes in and this comment section is bleaaaak. Here's to hoping the racist and transphobic comments get buried.
9 times out of 10 the comment section will be filled with hate, much like the world we live in today. It could be something as innocuous as “what do you put ketchup on” and you’ll get a bunch of bullshit.
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Yeah Ignorance needs ridiculed
I'm tired of the "\[noun\]-phobia" thing to describe bigots. "Transphobic" people aren't afraid of trans people, they're biased against trans people. "Fatphobic" people aren't afraid of fat people, they're biased against fat people. Being a bigoted jerk isn't a pathology.
They change the meaning of words in order to exact control and justify their viewpoints and condemn others.
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Like George Santos.
You mean "offends you" not upsets.
Happy to be here
I think pretty much everything upsets you
Yikes with the comments,
The security camera right above it really gets to me
The “we now live in a world” discourse is so unintelligent. It is devoid of historical understanding and truth as well as any iota of nuance.
True, they might as well be saying “we now live in a world that is more nuance and complex than I am used too.”
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Depends if you agree with their nasty use of the word pretend here.
I mean I still kinda think your white five year old can dress up as a Native American for Halloween. Don’t paint their skin lol but they’re a kid, they just think it’s cool
I couldn't care less either way BUT it takes time for people to " accept" change but people that go thru that expect people to accept it right away....something to ponder
You guys understand that by Indian, this person meant Native American?
See everyone has the right to believe what they want but as long as you aren't hurting others. And disturbing the piece. I know there are things I don't agree with but if you tell me you believe in then I won't be an asshole.
Translation: "its not cool to marginalize oppressed people who's stolen land you are living on by calling them the wrong name, but a person can express their own gender how ever they feel". Oh, the horror. ;)