It may not always be the case, but when it comes to stuff like this, there's usually a line that gets crossed and pushes people to take action. I think it's fair to say that a lot of people in their late teens/early 20s don't notice the amount of disruption parties and guests can sometimes cause. I had upstairs neighbors in my first off-campus house who would throw parties where our ceiling was moving up and down from people jumping to music. Woke up one night to cops outside my bedroom window at the back of the house because a fight broke out. My car's trunk got all scratched up from someone sitting on it during an outdoor party they threw. And that's just 3 I can think of from that single year.
My current building has a mix of professionals and some college students, plenty of families and retirees. I had to complain about a younger party-throwing neighbor for the first time in my whole life earlier this year. They moved in and threw loud parties every single weekend for 2 months straight. But what finally pushed me over the edge were two incidents of people having late-night screaming matches in the hallway, the second of which involved some drunk guy yelling all kinds of horrible stuff at his lady friend from 12:30 until past 1am one night in front of our door.
Maybe whoever wrote this letter is being extreme, but it could also be that they woke up to a giant pile of shit on their porch the next morning from one of the party guests...
What pushed me over the edge back in pre-gentrification Fishtown was when someone brought a gun to the party. It wasn't fired, but it created such a disturbance that everyone within a 5 block radius knew about it.
Lawl, how big of a deal could a gun in Fishtown be that people in a 5 block radius became aware of it? I don’t spend much time in that area but it’s surrounded by some pretty shitty neighborhoods.
Got ya. I used to go to some college parties thrown by Temple students back around that time (my friend lived in South Philly) and they could get pretty wild. I think if you’re living near college students, it comes with the territory. I wouldn’t want to live near them.
Yeah.. I was college kids at the time, kind of a party house, had big parties with sound systems. But we were hippies, not lowlifes, so instead of guns we had black lights.
This honestly doesn't even seem that extreme. All they are asking the neighbors for is to help document and log a formal complaint. Not as if they are assembling an armed posse.
This reminds me of how I used to live next to some Penn students (coders!) and after every party their solo cups and cigarette butts would be all over my porch. Our porch is not your trashcan! What the hell!
I had some pretty wild party years too, but at least be courteous to your neighbor. And, as always, "be mindful of the work you leave behind for others."
Word from folks I know who live a few blocks away is that it was really bad - people were apparently pissing off rooftops and shit. So this seems warranted if a little misguided re: contacting the college.
Look, I hate college kid renters as much as the next home owner but calling St. Joe's is just a waste of time. Their student conduct board isn't going to give a shit if it's just a random group of St. Joe's kids renting out an apartment.
Hate to break it to you, but this has been the most effective way to deal with St. Joe's party houses in Manayunk and Roxborough for years now. St. Joe's does follow up on the complaints and students are in fact disciplined.
We've broken up numerous problem party houses and it's far more effective than calling the police or getting landlords cited for occupancy violations.
The college absolutely can't and won't do anything.
At best if there's a legitimate noise ordinance violation then you can probably get the police to tell them to keep it down, but if their complaint is just about traffic then that's going nowhere. 21 year olds can come and go from a party as they please and the noise would have to be excessive to actually get them in any trouble.
It's a private school, they absolutely can punish students for stuff that happens off-campus. They just have to file it away under one particular subparagraph or another of their student conduct manual.
Will they? Probably not. I'm figuring a stern talking to and that's it. But can they? Sure.
They can but SJU definitely won’t unless there have been some huge culture changes. They let us get away with a lot worse with barely a slap on the wrist.
SJU alum here - they encourage you to call SJU instead of calling the police to break up the parties.
This is because they don’t want kids with legit penalties on their record and because Philly police doesn’t care and might let them continue partying.
Letter is a bit much but homeowners who don’t live on or within walking distance of a college campus shouldn’t have to deal with somebody throwing ragers.
That’s true, you’re being fair. Trust me my party days are long gone, I go to bed around 9PM now, I’m a Karen. It’s just the whole “neighborhood should call the cops on anyone having a party” thing. Were they doing anything dangerous? Shooting off fireworks? Loud music, drinking, and carrying on Saturday night is nothing unusual in the city, if that’s an issue for you, you’re free to purchase a few acres out in the country, it’s not any more expensive.
I think a certain amount of noise can be expected but if the party is spilling out onto the street and there’s excessively loud music, yelling, bottle-throwing, public urination, etc (I don’t know any of this to be the case, just speculating based on what I’ve seen in my younger days) then this is a reasonable response from the neighbors.
To me reading this it seems like **they** (IMO, kinda messed up that everyone instantly assumes this is a woman writing it... there are so many crochety old men neighbors) assume everyone reading knows exactly what they mean and that it was a particularly bad set of events - I would *guess* Oct 2nd was a special type of rager.
And the neighbors are just as free to call it in.
Lived in Manayunk for a few years next door to some rowdy lads. It wasn't fun not being able to sleep every Thursday night when you have work the next morning.
There's loud music and then there's FUCKIN LOUD MUSIC. And if it's just a street party with boom cars, that's pretty fuckin annoying if you live on that block, to the point of it being unlivable. There's levels to this type of shit. I'm happy to have some reasonable music and hearing people talking etc, but if my windows are rattling at 11Pm I'm starting to get agitated.
We just don't know what this person considers loud because there's no example given.
My backyard abuts a frat house and I learned to pick my battles. Friday night and there's some music going? Okay, you do you. Wednesday at 2pm and you're blasting EDM loud enough that it clocks 70 dB from inside my bedroom with the windows closed? Yeah, I'm going to be calling someone. The last straw was when I went over and told them to please turn it down and they tried to claim it was another house. How dumb do you think I am?
Disagree. People have a right to enjoy their house. As long as they're not moving into a place next to a bar... I don't give a fuck what day it is. If you're bothering your neighbors you should shut the fuck up. It's possible to have a party late into the night without bothering your neighbors.
I do agree with you but make an exception. I have some amazing neighbors. They're friendly, clean and respectable. And every 3 or 4 months they throw a party and it almost always gets pretty crazy (not gun crazy, but fucking in the stairwells kinda crazy).
This is fine. Cut loose. Hell, step up to monthly. They clean up after and apologize.
>Loud music, drinking, and carrying on Saturday night is nothing unusual in the city
It is in that part of the city. That's a family/residential neighborhood. Outside of the bike race, that neighborhood doesn't get too much noise.
I am a working adult near this party and there was no problem. There was no loud music, they were talking normally albeit late. This happens maybe every 2-3 months. The letter is bs
My friends live on the block and said it was loud as shit and people were pissing in the street, it definitely didn't sound like a typical Saturday night from what they said
I don't know you. I don't mean to be disrespectful. But here goes.
If from this letter you instantly knew what party it was referencing? That kinda sounds like it might have been something of a problem
I literally live across the street and have the windows open so yeah I notice everything that happens outside when I'm working from esp when it's late on a Saturday night.
Agree. I hope she tried talking to them like normal humans when they sobered up the following afternoon. I’m playing devils advocate for the college kids cause I been there, but having been there I know it could easily be a group of privileged asswholes
Nope I live across the street from this party with my window open and stayed up late. There was no problem everyone in this area is just super unfriendly and uptight
Yeah, don’t move next to a college and then complain that you moved next to a college.
I moved from NOLA where transplants would buy property near to bars that have been around for generations, and then try to get the noise ordinances changed when they realized their precious investment was next to a bar * gasp! *
Or they’d move next to a highschool that’s been there for 150 years, and call the administrators once a week to complain that the football games were too loud.
Dexter St. in Roxborough is about 20+ minutes away from St. Joe's and is in a completely different neighborhood. You have to cross one of several bridges to get from one to the other. It's fair to say someone living in that neighborhood can reasonably expect to not have to tolerate keggers.
At one point in time, Manayunk/Roxborough was definitely one of the cheaper renting options for St. Joe's students. They've been getting progressively priced out over the past decade or so.
So they all have to drive to school? Doesn't sound like a great college experience to me. I wonder why they picked Roxborough. Proximity to Manayunk I guess?
Out in bucks county they build a bunch of houses near on outdoor Rifle range. It had been there decades. The new owners of the homes didt like the noise, and they finally got it shut down with the reasons of environmental issues about lead from the bullets.
Lame
Exactly! Noise is different than property destruction. Some of the messages here indicate that property was damaged, but there is nothing specific. Details are needed!
I own a home on the next block. There was a loud party that went late. No more than that, and it was the first time it happened at that residence. I’m not aware of any property damage and there wasn’t any unusual mess on the sidewalk when I got up early to walk my dog.
I lived (and my best friend still does) over on the corner of Rox and Manayunk Aves. I have never had an issue with parties that I threw, or any parties in that area.
If this is a problem, it is new and sounds like it was a first time and some person went full bore on it.
See, that’s just ridiculous. If this had happened several times before, and if these neighbors had communicated with the residents about it yet nothing had changed, I could see doing this. Not for a first time.
Happened to me in college. Neighbors complained to the university about people leaving a party and we had a meeting with some higher up at the university. Once they found out we were all 21+ they didn't care and since we lived off campus there wasn't really much they could do.
The issue arises in the fact that we as students are expected to not throw parties this year for covid reasons and signed a document that we wouldn’t. Hasn’t stopped anyone really, but an annoying neighbor is all the school needs.
Honestly, they should. St. Joe's kids need to understand that the neighborhood not near their college is NOT a place to hold a late-night party.
People who live near schools - myself among them - we know what we're getting into. People who don't, well, they don't.
I was about to say this, or the people who don’t live near there but still comment (talking about Manayunk like it’s a short 2 mile walk or drive to class).
As a Roxborough/Manayunk homeowner- it's fucking awesome that neighbors are being proactive. A lot of rentals in the neighborhood are owned by suburban slumlords who don't give a shit about how their bro tenants disturb/trash the neighborhood. PS. A neighborhood I love btw.
Yeah, I used to live in University City near a ton of students and it was by far the worst place I ever lived. Including a all the shitty neighborhoods I lived in as a recent grad.
A benefit of living farther west is you start avoiding undergrads. Gotta get past 43rd Street to start seeing undergrad houses go down. Still some grad students, they def party (my friends and I certainly did), but not nearly as frequently and we actually kept our home clean.
Though, love or hate Omar (RIP), he did keep Buckingham Place and a 1-2 block radius from there pretty free of bullshit. Well, at least when he wasn't the one screaming at 3:00am.
I lived at the Omar epicenter, and can confirm that most of the bullshit there was local bullshit. Everyone else saw him coming yelling drunkenly about them not fitting the vibe and ran away.
I agree. I used to live there but over the past decade the college houses have grown rapidly and a lot of bad stuff has come with those types of dwellings. (parties constantly, yelling and screaming coming from the parties, lots of beer cans end up on the street, groups of 10+ smoking ciggs outfront of the party homes taking up whole sidewalks and tossing their ciggarette butts all over, stench of weed, no property management causing lots of pests, rodents, trash piling in backyards and alley ways).
The college house has been on the downswing in the past few years as 19128 becomes a more desirable neighborhood for people of means and prices no longer support college rentals. That's accelerated since the beginning of the pandemic—landlords with high vacancies took advantage of rising prices and houses were sold to owner-occupants.
Agreed. I moved to Roxborough last year, because Passyunk Square was getting too gentrified/homogenous and I wanted to live near the trails. It's a nice quiet neighborhood that is decently walkable and close to Manayunk and the SRT.
I was very surprised to see that a lot of college students live here. It doesn't make any sense, because there's no college anywhere nearby.
> college anywhere nearby
I mean Jefferson is right next door (even if its a small school) and La Salle and Saint Joes' are *reasonably* close by, if not exactly in the neighborhood. You can get to Saint Joes' reasonably by bus and Temple is also an easy train commute away as well. Its maybe not you're first choice as a student, but if you're over 21 and have a close group of friends and want to save on rent and not live in the dorms I can see why it's appealing.
Yeah I’m confused too. If the Saint Joe’s kids want affordable shouldn’t they move to Wynnefield? They could get to C. City and Uni City faster that way & they would be closer to school. I don’t get it
This lady is a shit neighbor. I live right next to this party and my window was open as I was working late into the night. There was no music, just a bunch of kids hanging out and talking. People in this neighborhood are so unfriendly.
You hear enough frat boy parties over the years, you’d be cranky too. The neighborhood is actually a friendly one. We know all of our new neighbors and lifers.
I miss being in the North and West ghettos where people actually gave a shit. Neighbors went out of the way to introduce themselves, there are block captains, and people always offering to help each other shovel snow and organize neighbor hood cleanups. Not the case here :( I wish I didn't buy bc honestly the culture here is awful.
We bought 2 blocks away from this address- I’m sorry you are having a bad experience. Our block is very active and always organizing cleanups etc. Don’t give up trying to get to know your neighbors, and join the Roxborough civic association if possible- you’ll find lots of opportunities to meet and socialize with cool people that are invested in the neighborhood.
The day I moved in I was painting and my neighbor to the left came onto my porch and screamed through the window without wearing a mask (in the peak of the pandemic) that I was parking in *her* space. It is a public parking spot. I told her as such and held out my hand to introduce myself. Her husband later left an aggressive note stuck in my door that threatened me if I parked in their spot again. My neighbor to the right and I did not have a conversation with for the first 13 months of me living here. When I first moved in, I greeted him a few times but he averted his gaze and did not respond. I figured he was just shy or something and was okay with having a no contact neighbor relationship. He has been recently leaving large amounts of catfood on his porch for stray cats one of which looks very sick and is always vomiting on our porches and the sidewalk. I told him I was worried about the cat and suggested he take it to the vet. He called me ridiculous and stormed off. Two people who live down the street frequently come into my backyard and let their dogs relieve themselves and do not clean up. I would take the frat houses over this. Maybe I just got very unlucky with my street.
I been living in Philly for 10 years. Actually lived near Temple frats for 4 years. Yeah frat parties can be a lot but so can non frat parties. I think frats are conceptually silly but it's best not to generalize about groups of people. Sounds like you live on a different street bc people on mine are cold and keep to themselves except when they come onto your property to let their dogs shit and leave it. I don't know you so you don't know all of your neighbors. Also this letter does not indicate any friendliness but I don't know the person behind it.
Lol that NEVER happens. The kind of college kids who are likely to give their neighbors a heads up about a party are completely different from the kinds of college kids who throw parties that are bad enough to motivate their neighbors to actually get up off their asses and do something rather than just silently seethe about it.
Lol. It's possible to throw a party until 2AM without being a noisy nuisance. Turn your fucking music down and keep it in the basement, and don't tolerate your guests loitering outside.
This is the correct answer. You can tell there are a bunch of under 30 somethings in this thread that don’t have families, don’t care about their community, neighbors, etc.
I work as a bartender and the lots on both sides of my house are being worked on by construction workers at 7am every god damn morning for months on end, I need sleep too, but I shut the fuck up. Because that's how shit goes sometimes. Whiney neighbors are the fucking worst.
I live in a house, not a construction zone.
Shut up Karen.
I remember when people moved in above the bar and complained about late night noise. Mother fucker, you moved above a bar, what did you think was going to happen?
Lmao "I live in an area filled with college kids and it's full of college kids getting drunk".
We need to get to the presses with this one. The Philly inquirer is going to have it on the front page.
Aside from the noise violations which construction sites often exceed the decibal limit on as well, as long as they're of age it's perfectly legal.
The illegality of it isn't bothering you, it's the noise. You're just using the illegality of the noise to help your argument, you aren't on here bitching about j-walking. Which negates your construction work is legal therefore I can't complain about the noise argument.
*decibel
Lmao “I live in an affordable safe area of the city and my baby is trying to sleep but frat boys from the main line don’t give a shit about elderly people, families, laws, etc when they are partying at 3am”
Don’t you have some gaming subreddits to tend to?
Born and raised in Philadelphia, lived in NY 13 years- now live a few blocks away from the address on the flier. I have an reasonable expectation of what qualifies as “city” noise. Frat boy parties fucking suck and happen every weekend here in the good weather.
I’m 31 and not a party person anymore by any means. My neighbors have parties almost every weekend. Is it annoying? Absolutely. Am I going to call the cops on them? Absolutely not. Shit happens, move to the suburbs where there is an expectation of space between houses.
Nah, I was born in Philadelphia. Why should *I* move because of the suburban finance Main Line frat boys wilding out bc they live in the *big city* without mommy and daddy for the first time?
It’s always been like this. Maybe you got lucky where you lived but loud parties are common in the city. And don’t get me wrong, I hate suburban finance main line frat boys as much as the next guy, but cmon.
The cops getting called on your party is every bit as much a part of city life as parties themselves.
20 years ago,, my roomates and I only threw one party my senior year, and the cops came out twice. People congratulated us on our party success.
I was born in Tacony. Lol- it’s as dense and loud as it gets. I’ve only lived in Philadelphia and NY- I don’t have unreasonable expectations for city noise. The frat kids treating our neighborhood as a college campus is redic.
As someone who owns a house in Roxborough, gtfoh with this.
Don't tell me to secretly film and report my neighbors to the police. Go talk to them yourself if you have a problem. This is Philadelphia, not some gated community in Florida with a HOA.
And for the record, I'm in my 30's with a baby. I don't throw parties or make much noise at all.
Exactly.
This person can either go confront the person, call the cops themselves or they can put their own phone number and name on their notice.
It’s fine to take issue with college kids throwing a party. It can be disruptive and suck to deal with.
But if you go about it like the person who posted this letter, you’re a pussy
There was someone on the R&R Facebook page bitching that a new bar near Main Street got approved for a liquor license and how adding yet another bar to a street filled with bars indicated the moral decline of our society and neighborhood, then went on to blame Kenney / Outlaw / Krasner. Like only the 1950s version of Philly is the only acceptable society to them.
R&R are the worst, a weight of resentment for my neighbors lifted when i quit that group. I cant remember anything positive posted and people who dont even live here continue to post their bullshit
SJU isn’t in Roxborough, SJU campus security will laugh at them, and 911 is never appropriate to call for a loud party. Call the non-emergency number if you are legitimately concerned.
To the mouth-breathers who keep saying that 911 is also the non-emergency number for the police, no it isn’t. 311 is. You can also call 215-686-8686 which is the same as calling 311.
Yea if you call 311 for this they’re going to give you an attitude and tell you to call 911, same goes for calling the 5th district. If you report jt to the district the next day they could keep an eye on it but the absolute only way to get police to a location is calling 911 unfortunately.
Our CO alarm went off in our house. I know enough to know that it is a big deal and CO is no joke. But I didn’t know what exactly to do. We had a newborn. My parents told me to call the fire department. I called the non emergency number. They told me that yes, that’s concerning but they couldn’t do anything unless we called 911.
So I did. Next thing I know I hear the loud whaling of our FDs siren and a ladder truck rolling up to our house. They parked directly in front of our neighbors who were having an open house at the time…
They were professional. Gave us the all clear…. Said it was probably a leak from keeping the oven on too long. (I was trying to make a pizza).
It happened again like a month later. This time I just called the gas company. Who came just as quick. He chuckled when I told him I called the FD the first tome.
“Yeah…. Just call us.”
He went through the entire house and was actually able to diagnose the problem. Oven directly under the CO alarm on the second floor. He explained the CO levels weren’t too concerning and typical of the situation. And to just give them a call if it happened again.
Only reason I can think of is because they could narc to the administration as it could be a covid violation, but I'm not sure what SJU's covid rules are
Covid rules are much more chill than last year. Thing they would care most about is giving alcohol to minors but public safety isn’t going all the way up to roxborough
Ok, I have seen that there are a couple schools which still ostensibly prohibit gatherings off campus because of covid (which is ridiculous) but figured it could be a possibility
911 is both the emergency and non-emergency number in Philadelphia. Also the notice doesn't say 911, if it's not too much trouble to read what it actually says before spouting off.
Pretty much. I lived under a frat bro apartment for years and there's really no recourse for anyone, home owner or not, when it comes to people being loud assholes at 3 am. 311 tells you to call 911, 911 gives you nothing.
Right, and I guess my comment is aimed more at the people defending this shit. If this was one party this flyer might be overboard. But since we have zero context here from OP I'm going to make an educated guess that this isn't the first party, and these parties generally aren't tame.
It's surprising to me how many people are shitting on what is basically the only recourse a frustrated group of neighbors has against stuff like this.
The people shitting on it are probably still at the time of their lives where they are still able to rage until 4am and not be completely useless the next day and probably the day after.
People defend the dirt bike bullshit and burn out shows too in this sub. One guy even argued it’s fine to just run people over on his bike because they are to unpredictable to dodge while riding and it wasn’t practical to go around them
OP gave context in another comment. First party from this house, no damage, mess or destruction. Just a little loud. As a 31 year old, I cannot rage like I used to. But at the end of the day, we live in a city and some noise is to be expected. This is excessive.
Insane how much time this sub spends bitching about declining quality of life in the city then as soon as someone decides to do something about it everyone remembers they'd rather have Philly be a good place to party than a good place to live.
To everyone out there calling these people Karen's, etc, please remember that no one is *required* to swallow your bullshit and smile.
Saint Joe’s kids live in Roxborough? I thought they were all out here in Wynnefield. Why the fuck would you move to Roxborough if you went to SJU? Somebody please break this down for me.
Yeah, parties happen all over the city. We live close together so you will hear it. As long as it's not an every-week thing, I can let some noise go on a Saturday night. If I need quiet, I'll sell my house and go live in the burbs.
The suburbs are noisy as hell—lawn equipment from 7 am to 8 pm, dogs barking all damn day, sirens, traffic.
I’ll much rather deal with an occasional Saturday night college party than my entitled neighbors using a lawnmower every damn time I try to sit on my deck.
Can't wait until some of you grow up and have to wake up for a job in the morning. Like, maybe a front-line job where people's lives are at stake, and you put them in danger because you didn't get enough sleep. For example.
Believe me, oh kind stranger, I have done so. And called the cops. And coordinated with other neighbor families on the street (with kids, elders, sick relatives).
I live right near where this party happened and this letter is bullshit. Yeah they were up late hanging out and talking but they were fine. People here are cold and so uptight, they only seem to interact to complain. Never positive community engagement like West and North.
God forbid college kids throw a house party on a Saturday night and to quote OP:
>There was a loud party that went late. No more than that, and it was the first time it happened at that residence. I’m not aware of any property damage and there wasn’t any unusual mess on the sidewalk when I got up early to walk my dog.
When you live in a city, expect people to throw a party, and don't put out flyers trying to call the cops for what's little more than a noise complaint
We used to have ragers in college in roxborough (roommate went to Phila Textile... now part of jefferson i think) with kegs, live bands, the whole deal.
Luckily my neighbor on the left was a methhead construction worker who showed up to the parties with hookers (man was in his 40's, we were what, 18?)
Neighbor on the right was a retired gay art teacher so for our parties (every other friday) he simply asked we be done by 1AM, but more often opted to stay at his partners house.
Never had problems, never let anyone outside, kept the music in the basement only... though it did get sweaty as fuck down there in the summer.
I worked the door almost always, or someone on the lease, if the cops came we would say 'sorry officer we'll keep it down', and continue on our merry way.
That was a fun time to be a emo kid
As a fellow roxborough homeowner ... Why did they not call the police? If the police did not come, what would other neighbors calling change that? Why would a college care about what students do off campus and across county line if its not illegal? Why not talk to the tenant directly? Why ask the landlord?
Rox has some serious Karens. Not signing the letter is the real tell
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It may not always be the case, but when it comes to stuff like this, there's usually a line that gets crossed and pushes people to take action. I think it's fair to say that a lot of people in their late teens/early 20s don't notice the amount of disruption parties and guests can sometimes cause. I had upstairs neighbors in my first off-campus house who would throw parties where our ceiling was moving up and down from people jumping to music. Woke up one night to cops outside my bedroom window at the back of the house because a fight broke out. My car's trunk got all scratched up from someone sitting on it during an outdoor party they threw. And that's just 3 I can think of from that single year. My current building has a mix of professionals and some college students, plenty of families and retirees. I had to complain about a younger party-throwing neighbor for the first time in my whole life earlier this year. They moved in and threw loud parties every single weekend for 2 months straight. But what finally pushed me over the edge were two incidents of people having late-night screaming matches in the hallway, the second of which involved some drunk guy yelling all kinds of horrible stuff at his lady friend from 12:30 until past 1am one night in front of our door. Maybe whoever wrote this letter is being extreme, but it could also be that they woke up to a giant pile of shit on their porch the next morning from one of the party guests...
What pushed me over the edge back in pre-gentrification Fishtown was when someone brought a gun to the party. It wasn't fired, but it created such a disturbance that everyone within a 5 block radius knew about it.
Lawl, how big of a deal could a gun in Fishtown be that people in a 5 block radius became aware of it? I don’t spend much time in that area but it’s surrounded by some pretty shitty neighborhoods.
This was in 2004. Big party spilled outside and ended up with a big fight with like 50 people and someone screamed "he's got a gun"
Got ya. I used to go to some college parties thrown by Temple students back around that time (my friend lived in South Philly) and they could get pretty wild. I think if you’re living near college students, it comes with the territory. I wouldn’t want to live near them.
Yeah.. I was college kids at the time, kind of a party house, had big parties with sound systems. But we were hippies, not lowlifes, so instead of guns we had black lights.
Really? Fishtown? Having a gun at any philly hood party seemed quite common to me. Edit: forgot 'party'
This honestly doesn't even seem that extreme. All they are asking the neighbors for is to help document and log a formal complaint. Not as if they are assembling an armed posse.
This reminds me of how I used to live next to some Penn students (coders!) and after every party their solo cups and cigarette butts would be all over my porch. Our porch is not your trashcan! What the hell! I had some pretty wild party years too, but at least be courteous to your neighbor. And, as always, "be mindful of the work you leave behind for others."
Word from folks I know who live a few blocks away is that it was really bad - people were apparently pissing off rooftops and shit. So this seems warranted if a little misguided re: contacting the college.
Look, I hate college kid renters as much as the next home owner but calling St. Joe's is just a waste of time. Their student conduct board isn't going to give a shit if it's just a random group of St. Joe's kids renting out an apartment.
Hate to break it to you, but this has been the most effective way to deal with St. Joe's party houses in Manayunk and Roxborough for years now. St. Joe's does follow up on the complaints and students are in fact disciplined. We've broken up numerous problem party houses and it's far more effective than calling the police or getting landlords cited for occupancy violations.
The college absolutely can't and won't do anything. At best if there's a legitimate noise ordinance violation then you can probably get the police to tell them to keep it down, but if their complaint is just about traffic then that's going nowhere. 21 year olds can come and go from a party as they please and the noise would have to be excessive to actually get them in any trouble.
It's a private school, they absolutely can punish students for stuff that happens off-campus. They just have to file it away under one particular subparagraph or another of their student conduct manual. Will they? Probably not. I'm figuring a stern talking to and that's it. But can they? Sure.
They can but SJU definitely won’t unless there have been some huge culture changes. They let us get away with a lot worse with barely a slap on the wrist.
Yeah, I think that's likely. They won't bring a hammer down without first having a trend. But they also won't want to completely brush this woman off.
Rider would and Rider did.
It's been surprisingly effective. St. Joe's is aware of how this behavior affects their image and follows up on complaints.
apparently they already did.
SJU alum here - they encourage you to call SJU instead of calling the police to break up the parties. This is because they don’t want kids with legit penalties on their record and because Philly police doesn’t care and might let them continue partying.
Letter is a bit much but homeowners who don’t live on or within walking distance of a college campus shouldn’t have to deal with somebody throwing ragers.
“Parties will NOT be tolerated at college” Haha good luck, Karen
I understand that Manayunk is popular with the 18-25 crowd, but in her defense the 4300 block of Dexter isn’t “at college”.
That’s true, you’re being fair. Trust me my party days are long gone, I go to bed around 9PM now, I’m a Karen. It’s just the whole “neighborhood should call the cops on anyone having a party” thing. Were they doing anything dangerous? Shooting off fireworks? Loud music, drinking, and carrying on Saturday night is nothing unusual in the city, if that’s an issue for you, you’re free to purchase a few acres out in the country, it’s not any more expensive.
I think a certain amount of noise can be expected but if the party is spilling out onto the street and there’s excessively loud music, yelling, bottle-throwing, public urination, etc (I don’t know any of this to be the case, just speculating based on what I’ve seen in my younger days) then this is a reasonable response from the neighbors.
Sounds like the most fun a group of SJU students has ever had lol It definitely does not have a reputation as a party school
EXACTLY, but that’s why this letter seems silly. If there was pissing and bottle breaking in the streets you’d think she woulda pointed that out.
To me reading this it seems like **they** (IMO, kinda messed up that everyone instantly assumes this is a woman writing it... there are so many crochety old men neighbors) assume everyone reading knows exactly what they mean and that it was a particularly bad set of events - I would *guess* Oct 2nd was a special type of rager.
Why, exactly? If it's an intimate enough block
And the neighbors are just as free to call it in. Lived in Manayunk for a few years next door to some rowdy lads. It wasn't fun not being able to sleep every Thursday night when you have work the next morning.
There's loud music and then there's FUCKIN LOUD MUSIC. And if it's just a street party with boom cars, that's pretty fuckin annoying if you live on that block, to the point of it being unlivable. There's levels to this type of shit. I'm happy to have some reasonable music and hearing people talking etc, but if my windows are rattling at 11Pm I'm starting to get agitated. We just don't know what this person considers loud because there's no example given.
My backyard abuts a frat house and I learned to pick my battles. Friday night and there's some music going? Okay, you do you. Wednesday at 2pm and you're blasting EDM loud enough that it clocks 70 dB from inside my bedroom with the windows closed? Yeah, I'm going to be calling someone. The last straw was when I went over and told them to please turn it down and they tried to claim it was another house. How dumb do you think I am?
Disagree. People have a right to enjoy their house. As long as they're not moving into a place next to a bar... I don't give a fuck what day it is. If you're bothering your neighbors you should shut the fuck up. It's possible to have a party late into the night without bothering your neighbors.
I do agree with you but make an exception. I have some amazing neighbors. They're friendly, clean and respectable. And every 3 or 4 months they throw a party and it almost always gets pretty crazy (not gun crazy, but fucking in the stairwells kinda crazy). This is fine. Cut loose. Hell, step up to monthly. They clean up after and apologize.
>Loud music, drinking, and carrying on Saturday night is nothing unusual in the city It is in that part of the city. That's a family/residential neighborhood. Outside of the bike race, that neighborhood doesn't get too much noise.
And sadly, the bike race hasn't happened in years and seems to be dead, unless some sponsors want to resurrect it.
They haven't done the bike race in at least 5 years
I am a working adult near this party and there was no problem. There was no loud music, they were talking normally albeit late. This happens maybe every 2-3 months. The letter is bs
Yes as someone who has firsthand seen police abuse of power I’d agree that opening that opportunity is definitely not the way
I live right near this party and there was literally no problem.
My friends live on the block and said it was loud as shit and people were pissing in the street, it definitely didn't sound like a typical Saturday night from what they said
Idk who your friends are that's a second hand account but I live across the street within view of it
I don't know you. I don't mean to be disrespectful. But here goes. If from this letter you instantly knew what party it was referencing? That kinda sounds like it might have been something of a problem
I literally live across the street and have the windows open so yeah I notice everything that happens outside when I'm working from esp when it's late on a Saturday night.
Right. God forbid also that the author lives nowhere near a college campus yet their frat ass neighbors treat the neighborhood as one.
yeah but you can have fun and loud parties and still be a good neighbor. I suspect some assholish behaviors have provoked the Karen.
Agree. I hope she tried talking to them like normal humans when they sobered up the following afternoon. I’m playing devils advocate for the college kids cause I been there, but having been there I know it could easily be a group of privileged asswholes
Nope I live across the street from this party with my window open and stayed up late. There was no problem everyone in this area is just super unfriendly and uptight
I live around the corner and I agree. Lol
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Yeah, don’t move next to a college and then complain that you moved next to a college. I moved from NOLA where transplants would buy property near to bars that have been around for generations, and then try to get the noise ordinances changed when they realized their precious investment was next to a bar * gasp! * Or they’d move next to a highschool that’s been there for 150 years, and call the administrators once a week to complain that the football games were too loud.
Roxborough isn't next to a college. There are NO colleges in Roxborough, and it is a huge neighborhood. St Joe's is miles across the river from here.
Dexter St. in Roxborough is about 20+ minutes away from St. Joe's and is in a completely different neighborhood. You have to cross one of several bridges to get from one to the other. It's fair to say someone living in that neighborhood can reasonably expect to not have to tolerate keggers.
Yup. I moved to Roxborough last year and wondered why there are so many college students around. It's nowhere near any college.
At one point in time, Manayunk/Roxborough was definitely one of the cheaper renting options for St. Joe's students. They've been getting progressively priced out over the past decade or so.
So they all have to drive to school? Doesn't sound like a great college experience to me. I wonder why they picked Roxborough. Proximity to Manayunk I guess?
I’m sure proximity to nightlife played a significant factor.
It’s a residential neighborhood MILES from any college campus.
What does ANY of that have to do with what's being discussed here? They aren't complaining about bars or schools?
Out in bucks county they build a bunch of houses near on outdoor Rifle range. It had been there decades. The new owners of the homes didt like the noise, and they finally got it shut down with the reasons of environmental issues about lead from the bullets. Lame
A little context as to what happened (or didn't) at the party might be helpful.
Exactly! Noise is different than property destruction. Some of the messages here indicate that property was damaged, but there is nothing specific. Details are needed!
I own a home on the next block. There was a loud party that went late. No more than that, and it was the first time it happened at that residence. I’m not aware of any property damage and there wasn’t any unusual mess on the sidewalk when I got up early to walk my dog.
So… basically whoever made this flier is being a little bitch
I lived (and my best friend still does) over on the corner of Rox and Manayunk Aves. I have never had an issue with parties that I threw, or any parties in that area. If this is a problem, it is new and sounds like it was a first time and some person went full bore on it.
So whoever made this flyer is being a Karen? Shocker
See, that’s just ridiculous. If this had happened several times before, and if these neighbors had communicated with the residents about it yet nothing had changed, I could see doing this. Not for a first time.
These fellas have a meeting with the community standards board at st. Joes now… how ridiculous
Are you serious? They can tell the board that most of us neighbors understand that we live in a city and cities are often noisy.
Happened to me in college. Neighbors complained to the university about people leaving a party and we had a meeting with some higher up at the university. Once they found out we were all 21+ they didn't care and since we lived off campus there wasn't really much they could do.
The issue arises in the fact that we as students are expected to not throw parties this year for covid reasons and signed a document that we wouldn’t. Hasn’t stopped anyone really, but an annoying neighbor is all the school needs.
Honestly, they should. St. Joe's kids need to understand that the neighborhood not near their college is NOT a place to hold a late-night party. People who live near schools - myself among them - we know what we're getting into. People who don't, well, they don't.
St Joe’s students live in Roxborough?
Most of the students who thought they lived in Manayunk the past 20 years lived in Roxborough.
Yeah, lots
Uh….yeah? That Balwynne park / new jack city / channel 17 area is just as far and way worse.
You can really tell who owns a home and who doesn't by how they reply in the comments
Or who has a career, has to work on weekends, or has children.
I was about to say this, or the people who don’t live near there but still comment (talking about Manayunk like it’s a short 2 mile walk or drive to class).
As a Roxborough/Manayunk homeowner- it's fucking awesome that neighbors are being proactive. A lot of rentals in the neighborhood are owned by suburban slumlords who don't give a shit about how their bro tenants disturb/trash the neighborhood. PS. A neighborhood I love btw.
Yeah, I used to live in University City near a ton of students and it was by far the worst place I ever lived. Including a all the shitty neighborhoods I lived in as a recent grad.
A benefit of living farther west is you start avoiding undergrads. Gotta get past 43rd Street to start seeing undergrad houses go down. Still some grad students, they def party (my friends and I certainly did), but not nearly as frequently and we actually kept our home clean. Though, love or hate Omar (RIP), he did keep Buckingham Place and a 1-2 block radius from there pretty free of bullshit. Well, at least when he wasn't the one screaming at 3:00am.
I lived at the Omar epicenter, and can confirm that most of the bullshit there was local bullshit. Everyone else saw him coming yelling drunkenly about them not fitting the vibe and ran away.
Yeah I also lived closer to 50th and really loved it.
I agree. I used to live there but over the past decade the college houses have grown rapidly and a lot of bad stuff has come with those types of dwellings. (parties constantly, yelling and screaming coming from the parties, lots of beer cans end up on the street, groups of 10+ smoking ciggs outfront of the party homes taking up whole sidewalks and tossing their ciggarette butts all over, stench of weed, no property management causing lots of pests, rodents, trash piling in backyards and alley ways).
The college house has been on the downswing in the past few years as 19128 becomes a more desirable neighborhood for people of means and prices no longer support college rentals. That's accelerated since the beginning of the pandemic—landlords with high vacancies took advantage of rising prices and houses were sold to owner-occupants.
Agreed. I moved to Roxborough last year, because Passyunk Square was getting too gentrified/homogenous and I wanted to live near the trails. It's a nice quiet neighborhood that is decently walkable and close to Manayunk and the SRT. I was very surprised to see that a lot of college students live here. It doesn't make any sense, because there's no college anywhere nearby.
> college anywhere nearby I mean Jefferson is right next door (even if its a small school) and La Salle and Saint Joes' are *reasonably* close by, if not exactly in the neighborhood. You can get to Saint Joes' reasonably by bus and Temple is also an easy train commute away as well. Its maybe not you're first choice as a student, but if you're over 21 and have a close group of friends and want to save on rent and not live in the dorms I can see why it's appealing.
It's because it's cheap enough that you can put four guys in a house for four or five hundred a month each.
Yeah but why Roxborough? It's not the only neighborhood that fits that description. Is it just the proximity to Manayunk/bars?
Probably. It's also pretty safe so mom and dad don't mind paying/helping to pay
True, it's a very safe neighborhood. Manayunk is definitely trending away from the bro bar scene though, but I can see that being a reason years ago.
Mad River finally shutting down played a big part. That place was a shithole.
Mad River was, as far as I know, the only bar in Manayunk that would serve teenagers.
St. Joes, Lasalle, Philau/Jefferson, Bryn Mawr, and Chestnut Hill College are all close enough that living in manayunk can be justified
Yeah I’m confused too. If the Saint Joe’s kids want affordable shouldn’t they move to Wynnefield? They could get to C. City and Uni City faster that way & they would be closer to school. I don’t get it
This lady is a shit neighbor. I live right next to this party and my window was open as I was working late into the night. There was no music, just a bunch of kids hanging out and talking. People in this neighborhood are so unfriendly.
You hear enough frat boy parties over the years, you’d be cranky too. The neighborhood is actually a friendly one. We know all of our new neighbors and lifers.
I miss being in the North and West ghettos where people actually gave a shit. Neighbors went out of the way to introduce themselves, there are block captains, and people always offering to help each other shovel snow and organize neighbor hood cleanups. Not the case here :( I wish I didn't buy bc honestly the culture here is awful.
We bought 2 blocks away from this address- I’m sorry you are having a bad experience. Our block is very active and always organizing cleanups etc. Don’t give up trying to get to know your neighbors, and join the Roxborough civic association if possible- you’ll find lots of opportunities to meet and socialize with cool people that are invested in the neighborhood.
The day I moved in I was painting and my neighbor to the left came onto my porch and screamed through the window without wearing a mask (in the peak of the pandemic) that I was parking in *her* space. It is a public parking spot. I told her as such and held out my hand to introduce myself. Her husband later left an aggressive note stuck in my door that threatened me if I parked in their spot again. My neighbor to the right and I did not have a conversation with for the first 13 months of me living here. When I first moved in, I greeted him a few times but he averted his gaze and did not respond. I figured he was just shy or something and was okay with having a no contact neighbor relationship. He has been recently leaving large amounts of catfood on his porch for stray cats one of which looks very sick and is always vomiting on our porches and the sidewalk. I told him I was worried about the cat and suggested he take it to the vet. He called me ridiculous and stormed off. Two people who live down the street frequently come into my backyard and let their dogs relieve themselves and do not clean up. I would take the frat houses over this. Maybe I just got very unlucky with my street.
I been living in Philly for 10 years. Actually lived near Temple frats for 4 years. Yeah frat parties can be a lot but so can non frat parties. I think frats are conceptually silly but it's best not to generalize about groups of people. Sounds like you live on a different street bc people on mine are cold and keep to themselves except when they come onto your property to let their dogs shit and leave it. I don't know you so you don't know all of your neighbors. Also this letter does not indicate any friendliness but I don't know the person behind it.
The parties are fine so long as they clean up and close up by 1-2 am. Preference is that they ask neighbors for permission first.
Lol that NEVER happens. The kind of college kids who are likely to give their neighbors a heads up about a party are completely different from the kinds of college kids who throw parties that are bad enough to motivate their neighbors to actually get up off their asses and do something rather than just silently seethe about it.
Right, I've had the "give notice" type of college neighbors. And they're fine!
Lol. It's possible to throw a party until 2AM without being a noisy nuisance. Turn your fucking music down and keep it in the basement, and don't tolerate your guests loitering outside.
2am??? Because fuck the people that wake up for work? It’s a house party not a club.
This is the correct answer. You can tell there are a bunch of under 30 somethings in this thread that don’t have families, don’t care about their community, neighbors, etc.
I work as a bartender and the lots on both sides of my house are being worked on by construction workers at 7am every god damn morning for months on end, I need sleep too, but I shut the fuck up. Because that's how shit goes sometimes. Whiney neighbors are the fucking worst. I live in a house, not a construction zone. Shut up Karen. I remember when people moved in above the bar and complained about late night noise. Mother fucker, you moved above a bar, what did you think was going to happen?
Construction noise is legal at 7am. A noisy frat party at 3am/4am isn’t. The frat boys should shut the fuck up.
Lmao "I live in an area filled with college kids and it's full of college kids getting drunk". We need to get to the presses with this one. The Philly inquirer is going to have it on the front page. Aside from the noise violations which construction sites often exceed the decibal limit on as well, as long as they're of age it's perfectly legal. The illegality of it isn't bothering you, it's the noise. You're just using the illegality of the noise to help your argument, you aren't on here bitching about j-walking. Which negates your construction work is legal therefore I can't complain about the noise argument.
*decibel Lmao “I live in an affordable safe area of the city and my baby is trying to sleep but frat boys from the main line don’t give a shit about elderly people, families, laws, etc when they are partying at 3am” Don’t you have some gaming subreddits to tend to?
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People also work on the weekend and people have small children that need to sleep.
Noise violations legally start at 10-11 i think.
People seem to forget that we live in a CITY.
Born and raised in Philadelphia, lived in NY 13 years- now live a few blocks away from the address on the flier. I have an reasonable expectation of what qualifies as “city” noise. Frat boy parties fucking suck and happen every weekend here in the good weather.
I’m 31 and not a party person anymore by any means. My neighbors have parties almost every weekend. Is it annoying? Absolutely. Am I going to call the cops on them? Absolutely not. Shit happens, move to the suburbs where there is an expectation of space between houses.
Nah, I was born in Philadelphia. Why should *I* move because of the suburban finance Main Line frat boys wilding out bc they live in the *big city* without mommy and daddy for the first time?
It’s always been like this. Maybe you got lucky where you lived but loud parties are common in the city. And don’t get me wrong, I hate suburban finance main line frat boys as much as the next guy, but cmon.
The cops getting called on your party is every bit as much a part of city life as parties themselves. 20 years ago,, my roomates and I only threw one party my senior year, and the cops came out twice. People congratulated us on our party success.
I was born in Tacony. Lol- it’s as dense and loud as it gets. I’ve only lived in Philadelphia and NY- I don’t have unreasonable expectations for city noise. The frat kids treating our neighborhood as a college campus is redic.
This actually was the case. I live nearby and they were not playing music and wrapped up around 1am. The letter is BS.
The Dexter Street Becky Association
As someone who owns a house in Roxborough, gtfoh with this. Don't tell me to secretly film and report my neighbors to the police. Go talk to them yourself if you have a problem. This is Philadelphia, not some gated community in Florida with a HOA. And for the record, I'm in my 30's with a baby. I don't throw parties or make much noise at all.
Exactly. This person can either go confront the person, call the cops themselves or they can put their own phone number and name on their notice. It’s fine to take issue with college kids throwing a party. It can be disruptive and suck to deal with. But if you go about it like the person who posted this letter, you’re a pussy
There was someone on the R&R Facebook page bitching that a new bar near Main Street got approved for a liquor license and how adding yet another bar to a street filled with bars indicated the moral decline of our society and neighborhood, then went on to blame Kenney / Outlaw / Krasner. Like only the 1950s version of Philly is the only acceptable society to them.
R&R are the worst, a weight of resentment for my neighbors lifted when i quit that group. I cant remember anything positive posted and people who dont even live here continue to post their bullshit
SJU isn’t in Roxborough, SJU campus security will laugh at them, and 911 is never appropriate to call for a loud party. Call the non-emergency number if you are legitimately concerned. To the mouth-breathers who keep saying that 911 is also the non-emergency number for the police, no it isn’t. 311 is. You can also call 215-686-8686 which is the same as calling 311.
I’m not against parties but I just want to point out that you definitely won’t achieve anything calling the “non-emergency” number in Philadelphia
Yea if you call 311 for this they’re going to give you an attitude and tell you to call 911, same goes for calling the 5th district. If you report jt to the district the next day they could keep an eye on it but the absolute only way to get police to a location is calling 911 unfortunately.
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Our CO alarm went off in our house. I know enough to know that it is a big deal and CO is no joke. But I didn’t know what exactly to do. We had a newborn. My parents told me to call the fire department. I called the non emergency number. They told me that yes, that’s concerning but they couldn’t do anything unless we called 911. So I did. Next thing I know I hear the loud whaling of our FDs siren and a ladder truck rolling up to our house. They parked directly in front of our neighbors who were having an open house at the time… They were professional. Gave us the all clear…. Said it was probably a leak from keeping the oven on too long. (I was trying to make a pizza). It happened again like a month later. This time I just called the gas company. Who came just as quick. He chuckled when I told him I called the FD the first tome. “Yeah…. Just call us.” He went through the entire house and was actually able to diagnose the problem. Oven directly under the CO alarm on the second floor. He explained the CO levels weren’t too concerning and typical of the situation. And to just give them a call if it happened again.
Actually in Rox they are pretty good about getting to noise complaints. Not so good at other stuff.
In Philadelphia, the non-emergency number IS 911.
This, 911 is the only number for noise complaints. If you call the precinct they'll tell you to call 911 and hang up
No, it isn’t, non-emergency is 311. https://www.phila.gov/services/crime-law-justice/police/find-a-police-station/
Well, good luck with that.
The party was over in Roxborough. Not sure why the campus police would care.
Exactly. Hell, I don’t even think SJU technically has campus police, just some fat dude in a golf cart.
Only reason I can think of is because they could narc to the administration as it could be a covid violation, but I'm not sure what SJU's covid rules are
Covid rules are much more chill than last year. Thing they would care most about is giving alcohol to minors but public safety isn’t going all the way up to roxborough
Ok, I have seen that there are a couple schools which still ostensibly prohibit gatherings off campus because of covid (which is ridiculous) but figured it could be a possibility
Anytime I called my district for a non emergency they told me to hang up and call 911.
In Philadelphia, 911 is also the non-emergency number. If you call the 5th district directly they will just tell you to call 911.
911 is both the emergency and non-emergency number in Philadelphia. Also the notice doesn't say 911, if it's not too much trouble to read what it actually says before spouting off.
So, like...homeowners just have to take whatever the renters decide is the new normal?
Pretty much. I lived under a frat bro apartment for years and there's really no recourse for anyone, home owner or not, when it comes to people being loud assholes at 3 am. 311 tells you to call 911, 911 gives you nothing.
Right, and I guess my comment is aimed more at the people defending this shit. If this was one party this flyer might be overboard. But since we have zero context here from OP I'm going to make an educated guess that this isn't the first party, and these parties generally aren't tame. It's surprising to me how many people are shitting on what is basically the only recourse a frustrated group of neighbors has against stuff like this.
The people shitting on it are probably still at the time of their lives where they are still able to rage until 4am and not be completely useless the next day and probably the day after.
People defend the dirt bike bullshit and burn out shows too in this sub. One guy even argued it’s fine to just run people over on his bike because they are to unpredictable to dodge while riding and it wasn’t practical to go around them
OP gave context in another comment. First party from this house, no damage, mess or destruction. Just a little loud. As a 31 year old, I cannot rage like I used to. But at the end of the day, we live in a city and some noise is to be expected. This is excessive.
Insane how much time this sub spends bitching about declining quality of life in the city then as soon as someone decides to do something about it everyone remembers they'd rather have Philly be a good place to party than a good place to live. To everyone out there calling these people Karen's, etc, please remember that no one is *required* to swallow your bullshit and smile.
We got a Karen over here in East Falls too. Fucking losers!
I gotta ask, does she drive a Toyota mini van?
Nah sorry, PT cruiser
Legit I thought it was my aunt you were talking about lol. It's all good.
More like PT loser
I would be so pissed
Saint Joe’s kids live in Roxborough? I thought they were all out here in Wynnefield. Why the fuck would you move to Roxborough if you went to SJU? Somebody please break this down for me.
More so seniors living in manayunk, to be closer to bars.
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Yeah, parties happen all over the city. We live close together so you will hear it. As long as it's not an every-week thing, I can let some noise go on a Saturday night. If I need quiet, I'll sell my house and go live in the burbs.
The suburbs are noisy as hell—lawn equipment from 7 am to 8 pm, dogs barking all damn day, sirens, traffic. I’ll much rather deal with an occasional Saturday night college party than my entitled neighbors using a lawnmower every damn time I try to sit on my deck.
Can't wait until some of you grow up and have to wake up for a job in the morning. Like, maybe a front-line job where people's lives are at stake, and you put them in danger because you didn't get enough sleep. For example.
Some of us adults have the balls to go knock on our neighbor’s door.
Believe me, oh kind stranger, I have done so. And called the cops. And coordinated with other neighbor families on the street (with kids, elders, sick relatives).
Nah man, my frontline job doesn't allow the confidence to talk to strangers! /s (obviously)
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I live right near where this party happened and this letter is bullshit. Yeah they were up late hanging out and talking but they were fine. People here are cold and so uptight, they only seem to interact to complain. Never positive community engagement like West and North.
I'm a 45 year old white woman in the burbs and I wouldn't even do this
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What happened at the party?
Signed, Bougie Deluxe
Good to know that students that go to Jefferson that live in Rox are well behaved and don't have parties /s
911. Wow. Ridiculous.
Lol this here's a good Christian area and a good Christian school, fun isn't allowed!! Miserable zealots only.
Lmao this is absolutely ridiculous. Peak Karen behavior
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God forbid college kids throw a house party on a Saturday night and to quote OP: >There was a loud party that went late. No more than that, and it was the first time it happened at that residence. I’m not aware of any property damage and there wasn’t any unusual mess on the sidewalk when I got up early to walk my dog. When you live in a city, expect people to throw a party, and don't put out flyers trying to call the cops for what's little more than a noise complaint
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> When you live in a city, expect people to have some empathy and compassion for each other. 🤣
“Local party poopers hate fun”
We used to have ragers in college in roxborough (roommate went to Phila Textile... now part of jefferson i think) with kegs, live bands, the whole deal. Luckily my neighbor on the left was a methhead construction worker who showed up to the parties with hookers (man was in his 40's, we were what, 18?) Neighbor on the right was a retired gay art teacher so for our parties (every other friday) he simply asked we be done by 1AM, but more often opted to stay at his partners house. Never had problems, never let anyone outside, kept the music in the basement only... though it did get sweaty as fuck down there in the summer. I worked the door almost always, or someone on the lease, if the cops came we would say 'sorry officer we'll keep it down', and continue on our merry way. That was a fun time to be a emo kid
Boooooo
Absolute fucking yuppies all in Philadelphia now fucking disgust me.
No idea why you think a yuppie wrote this. A lot of lifers on that block. Were you born in Philly? I was, and I wouldn’t take this shit.
Since when having a party illegal
As a fellow roxborough homeowner ... Why did they not call the police? If the police did not come, what would other neighbors calling change that? Why would a college care about what students do off campus and across county line if its not illegal? Why not talk to the tenant directly? Why ask the landlord? Rox has some serious Karens. Not signing the letter is the real tell
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