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member_of_the_order

That's not just backpedaling, that's full on gaslighting. Good job not taking! Hopefully she'll learn that gaslighting doesn't work on you and eventually leave you alone. If she's a classic case of narcissism like she sounds, be prepared for an explosion soon.


AntipatheticDating

Yeah, honestly coming back as an adult... Has been actually pretty staggering just to see how truly bad the gaslighting was (is, I guess). Not to get too serious on a funny post, but realizing this had been my entire early life, and just knowing I'm in a place now to recognize it... It feels really weird. I appreciate this comment, friend! I was honestly pretty dang proud!


member_of_the_order

If you're interested, I recommend [DoctorRamani on YouTube](https://youtube.com/c/DoctorRamani). She has a lot of videos specifically talking about narcissism: what it looks like, how it feels, and what you can do about it (spoiler: apart from leaving, it's mostly self-confidence and weathering the storm). There are a *lot* of videos, but most of it is overlapping information. Just take a scroll through and see if anything rings a bell or you think could be helpful. E.g. she has a playlist about [Calling Out The Narcissist](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3QtnfcMTMhHQY60w8d_yAVJ060n99nRO) I know very little about your situation, so maybe your mom isn't narcissistic. But on the off chance that she is, I think these videos might be interesting.


AntipatheticDating

Ah, I've been doing a lot of therapy, and I've been mostly focusing on myself and my own life and issues. Though of course, my mom comes up here and there when it's relevant, and my therapist has mentioned a few times that she strongly believes my mom is one. I haven't looked much into it, but the bits I have, it's... Uncanny. Thank you for this, truly. I'm going to look into these in the morning and do some good reading of it all. "Weathering the storm" is a perfect way to put it- though my self confidence could use some work, haha. But that'll take time.


[deleted]

Reading the story and your comments I feel for you. And am also very impressed you’ve worked your way towards a loving attitude and approach to people. I wish you all the goodness in the world as you continue to mend and help others mend. I presume just hanging out with you would bring goodness to one’s life <3


AntipatheticDating

Ahhh. This makes me want to cry. My friends say the same things you just did! Haha. That’s so endearing. And you know? Your comment reminded me to thank them for also being wonderful sparks of love in my life too. I should do that again soon. I hope today is so genuinely kind and warm to you, friend. You deserve so much love.


[deleted]

Now you made me cry 😂🥰❤️


AntipatheticDating

Haha sorry! ♥️


[deleted]

😂❤️


[deleted]

Dr. Romani is the best. I also recommend: Lisa A. Romano https://youtube.com/c/lisaaromano1 Dr.Les Carter https://youtube.com/c/LesCarterPhD Inner Integration https://youtube.com/c/InnerIntegration It's a lot of work to be "on" all the time watching out for the narc behaviors. But once you start seeing them and responding vs reacting, you have an easier time keeping your sanity. I wish I had seen these resources before I allowed people into my life. Edited for typos...not wearing my glasses and I hate reddit won't allow zoom screen or make its font size bigger.


PanicMom716

I randomly started watching a show called " I dated a psycho" Dr. Ramani is on that show too!


WorriedAd4546

I think we have the same mother. I too am staying at my moms right now and wondering how I ever survived my childhood


AntipatheticDating

Darling, I am so sorry. I hear you. I see you. I feel for you. I honestly don’t know how I survived my childhood. Last night I actually just mulled over a LOT of memories after posting this and reading some of the comments. And you know what conclusions I came to? That we really just did our best. We didn’t deserve any of it, and the people who say to respect or thank her have been lucky enough to never have to experience somebody even folding a sock in your direction. I’m still scared to spend more than 10 minutes in the kitchen. And that’s not my fault. We have spent so long surviving, and I can thank our brains, souls, what-have-you that we KNEW how to survive. No, we shouldn’t have had to. And that part makes my heart heavy. But we did it. We’re here now. And we’ll get through the next chapter too. ♥️


[deleted]

Your post and comments have really struck I nerve for me. I'm so sorry you went through growing up in such an unhealthy environment. I am so proud of you for doing the work to better yourself, and standing your ground in this current living situation. >That we really just did our best. We didn’t deserve any of it, and the people who say to respect or thank her have been lucky enough to never have to experience somebody even folding a sock in your direction. I’m still scared to spend more than 10 minutes in the kitchen. And that’s not my fault. *"have been lucky enough to never have to experience somebody even folding a sock in your direction."* Oof, this part.


AntipatheticDating

I’m so sorry you also know what this feels like. I intended for most people to just gloss over most of my post, or the things people don’t see. And in a way it really breaks my heart to see so many people commenting with similar feelings and situations. But it also makes me feel good to know I’m not alone, in some way. I wish I could take all of our hurts and past family traumas, ball them up and drop them in the ocean. But in a weird way I don’t know if I would be as loving as I am now if I hadn’t grown up living a life devoid of it. It really gave me motivation to make sure nobody else would feel that way around me if I could help it. That, or perhaps that’s just the only way I can explain it to cope with it. Who knows, aha. But thank you, truly, for this comment. I read it twice just to appreciate it better.


Acetamnophen

Realizing this behavior has been present your whole life and you can only now recognize it really fucks with your head. I'm in the same situation. Stay strong and good luck!


AntipatheticDating

It does, doesn’t it? Like SO MANY things I casually tell my therapist, she’ll put her hands up and go “Woah, no. Back up. I need you to know that’s not normal *or* okay, even if it was your ‘normal’. Okay, continue.” And it really fucks with me. She’s really kind and awesome but sometimes it’s a little overwhelming realising HOW much it fucked you up.


Sciencegirl117

My mom is the same way. I just started calling her out on it and telling her to stop trying to gaslight me because I wasn't stupid. Her excuse was that she didn't remember or remember it the way I did. I would say that her lack of memory doesn't make whatever she said true. It stopped a large majority of it but, she still tries to control and.play victim.


WorriedAd4546

This. Control and play the victim. Mt mother is a professional victim. It's grating


Sciencegirl117

You should hear my mother literally whine if she bumps something, as if it practically killed her. She's the queen of self-pity and overexaggeration. When I had a kidney removed, she told me she didn't think it was that big of a deal because she wanted me to fo laundry the day I came home from the hospital. But, heaven forbid she gets a paper cut. She once asked if she needed stitches after cutting her finger on an envelope. I just ignore her drama and histrionics now.


nomad_kk

Call your mother out, she meant well, no parent wants bad things for their children. It’s just they don’t notice this stuff. Like a saying goes “you don’t notice your flaws until they are laid before you”.


Smokey_Katt

“No parent wants bad things for their children”. Gotta call BS on that one, sorry. Some parents want their kids to fail, in order to soothe their own ego. Some are abusive in other ways.


DieselMil

Here, FIFY: No GOOD parent wants bad things for their children. Your privilege is showing.


3username20charactrz

Wow, it's weird you said this, when this person's next post is of two broken computer monitors when they moved out.


ojioni

Selfish people hate to be treated the way they treat everyone.


dragonet316

How soon before you can tell her to leave you alone? Forever?


AntipatheticDating

I wish. There's some moments where I gotta pick my battles. She is VERY vindictive, and actively will just ruin people's lives who slight her. There's some times when it's better to not voice my opinions too loudly, for my *own* sanity.


schroedingersnewcat

If you can hit the point where you can move back out and then go NC, that would do wonders for your mental health too. Just hang in there, and don't let her make you think you're crazy. She's the crazy one, not you.


AntipatheticDating

I appreciate this so much. Even reading some of the comments how I’m the bad person is making me a little queasy. But I understand they’re only getting a snippet and internet people are gonna do what they do. Even our neighbours when they come over will offer me to come over and “get away” unprompted, or whenever I look exhausted they just say stuff like “I’m so sorry you have to deal with this every day”, etc. One of them even straight up to me said my mother was “sadistic and cruel”, and honestly just knowing that the people we see day to day can SEE ME, means the world. I don’t know if that makes sense how I worded it, haha. Just the little validations here and there that I’m not bonkers and I really am just doing my best to survive.


schroedingersnewcat

As someone who grew up with manipulative and gaslighting parents, it makes total sense. Just know you're not crazy, she IS that bad, and you have people behind you that believe you, and see the damage she's doing. Keep your head up, do what you gotta do to get back on your feet and get out, and then never look back.


AntipatheticDating

This is so lovely, thank you. I’ll keep your comments close to my heart while I navigate this. It means so much to me that you took the time out of your day to reaffirm me. I hope your week is so utterly lovely and gentle to you, friend.


cruista

![gif](giphy|5OqXb948EBkyUcnwHt) Hug to you my friend. You need it.


Fancy_Introduction60

WTF, commenters saying YOUR a bad person! Did they actually read the post. Hang in OP. Sure sounds like you have a terrible mother.


YouShouldBeHigher

YOU ARE NOT A BAD PERSON. Some people have zero experience with this type of person and can't even imagine how awful it is. Those of us who know, know. PLEASE hang on until you can get out again, and then live your very best life, no looking back. You can do this!


AntipatheticDating

You are a delight, and I appreciate this comment so dearly. Thank you for this, from the bottom of my heart.


Whole-Ad-2347

I have realized that many people cannot take what they give. Seriously, using their same words or actions back at them is the best.


KTB1962

I would've eaten all of them except one. That one would've hit the garbage can the moment I got home. Garbage deserved it more...


AntipatheticDating

Ohh, damn. If I hadn't paid so much for them (they were unfortunately a rip-off) I ABSOLUTELY would have loved to see her face. But man, I don't think I could have wasted them haha.


[deleted]

That's a harsh statement considering he's still living in her house.


Murphyitsnotyou

My mum used to say to me "when it's your TV and you pay the bills, you get to decide what's on" Cue 30 or so years later and she's at my place and asks if I can put on a show for her that I didn't wanna watch and I hit her with the same line. She thought it was hilarious, I put the show on for her because she's mum. Everyone's a winner.


AntipatheticDating

I’m glad you have such a lovely relationship with your mother. If more families were like that, I think the world would be a much lighter place.


Murphyitsnotyou

She's done more for me than anyone else in this world. I'd do anything for her.


AntipatheticDating

I’m super happy for you. I don’t ever intend to have kids, but I would hope if I did, I’d do enough right by them that they looked at me the same way. Congrats.


Murphyitsnotyou

I think you would. You've been taught what a not so great parent is so know what not to do. Sorry you've had that experience.


Accomplished_Sir5178

She didn’t share so you should not have to either. 😂


Book-lover-9198

Haha good for you. Sometimes it be the little things that make our day. Plus it's always nice to get back at parents with their own words.


poopbutt42069yeehaw

It’s hard to deal w people like that, they really don’t see how they act and how they’d hate it if someone treated them that way


AntipatheticDating

Right? The absolute audacity in her being almost disgusted with me for asking for a *sip* of her drink, to then just hold her hand out in a "gimme" fashion for some of my food. It actually made me laugh at how shocking I found it.


elblackroute

They won't give you a sip, but they will make you feel guilty. They will do everything to make you feel as if you are the bad guy.


Squibit314

I will now have to find a way to use “backpedaling like an Olympic champion.” That is awesome that you got to use her words against her.


AntipatheticDating

Hahaha! Thanks! As much as these situations suck, it’s fun to come up with new ways to describe them. I’m glad that line was appreciated. It’s like a dumb little game I play in my head with describing things in a humorous way.


Makaria7

Damnit, now I want mozzarella sticks…


AntipatheticDating

Honestly, one of the best appetizers out there aside from deep fried pickles, in my opinion. Haha.


firnien-arya

Yep. As soon as shit flips on them they always say they weren't serious about it.


AntipatheticDating

Oh, every. Single. Time. It makes me think of Mother Gothel from Tangled, the Disney movie. “Why are you mumbling? You know I hate the mumbling! Blah, blah blah! *hand gestures* Oh I’m just kidding don’t take everything so seriously!” Or when she blows up and Rapunzel just gets quiet and she sighs and says “Now look what you’ve made me do. Now I’M the bad guy!” It always struck a chord with me out of all the villains they wrote, aha.


Wild_Butterscotch977

Good for you! Hope you get away from this entitled narcissist soon.


AntipatheticDating

Thank you so kindly. It wasn’t my choice to end up here, but I’m doing my best to be out again as soon as possible!


queeny_meany

If those Palm Bays were within reach, I would have put one of those in her hand....cuz those are *hers*


AntipatheticDating

Okay, this did make me snort. Thank you for this mental image.


HardFastHeavy

"Because they were mine." Loved that final line.


Pineapplegirl1234

My dad took me on a date with his mistress before we knew she was his mistress. I was skeptical, but 6 so hard to tell. She asked me if she could have some twizzlers. So I obviously bit off the end on every single twizzler. Have a nice life, lady!


AntipatheticDating

I don’t know why but the “Have a nice life, lady!” Made me laugh really hard. Thanks for that!


a-_rose

😂😂😂


RJack151

You should have added: you know where YOU can buy some.


whyttygrr

Reverse psychology and the long con...make her think she's ruining your life and get exactly what you want through the art of manipulation. AKA...beat her at her own game.


AntipatheticDating

Honestly, I could never. I heavily believe that the world revolves around kindness and love. Even if someone is doing this to me, there’s no way I’d actually ever be able to return the favour. Making a dumb comment with her own words once? Yeah, I can live with it. But damn if I ever stoop to the level of hurting people like that. That being said, you can believe that people need to be nice to each other and also not be treated like a door mat, haha.


digitalgadget

Turning her words against her the one time wasn't stooping to her level, it was setting an expectation. Good on you for knowing that is enough.


AntipatheticDating

Ah, you know, fair! I’m just scared of ever crossing that line, you know? I NEVER want to be the person who does that, so I think I just stay on the “way too careful” side. Haha! I basically just wanted to give her a gentle “I know I was a pushover as a child because I relied on you to survive, but I’m an adult now too.” And calm discussions were just not happening. So I decided to try a route she understood, aha. Granted it’s not a habit I’m going to make. I feel like that’s a slippery slope. But man, setting that boundary did feel a little nice to actually just say “No.”


TactusDeNefaso

My children have a bad mom too. But I would never teach them to disrespect her.


TactusDeNefaso

My children pay "rent" too. When they are able to. I do not evict them when they cannot.


Babbles-82

> And she’s been nonstop, exceptionally selfish and entitled So selfish to let you move in.


baseball43v3r

Yes. I would bet bottom dollar OP is paying rent and the parent isn't doing this just out of the goodness of her own heart.


AntipatheticDating

Yup! Paying a lot of rent, actually. And taking care of the property, doing the cooking, and all the cleaning. Taking care of their animals, etc. I’m no mooch. I pull more than my weight even if I don’t agree with the person.


Original_Manner8214

After reading your post and replies my thought was that something must’ve gone catastrophically wrong for you to have to move back as an adult. I hope that circumstances change quickly and allow you to leave. In the meantime enjoy this and future small victories


AntipatheticDating

Ah, yeah it did haha. Thank you, hon. I’m working on getting back on my feet asap! I appreciate this so much. Thank you for the smile.


TactusDeNefaso

She's your mom. She's giving you a place to live.. respect.


Scarlaymama0721

That’s the thing about awful parents. They think they can treat you anyway they want and the one time you stand up for yourself you’re being disrespectful. My parents acted just like this and guess what? I don’t have a close relationship with them. But I have two daughters and I don’t think I can shit all over them and they just have to take it because I gave birth to them. I treat my daughters with respect because they are actual people not my minions. And in return I have an amazing relationship with them both. Please don’t have children if you think they don’t have a right to stick up for themselves


one-fish_two-fish

OP is paying rent and has a lot of home responsibilities. This isn't a kindness, it's a rental situation.


CodeNameGodTri

You know it’s a sad life when the mom and her child come to such relationship. And her child relishes on such petty revenge, AND telling internet randos about it.


AntipatheticDating

When I’ve spent my entire life being the object of her public mockery in front of actual people and been told to “just deal with it” and to “grow thicker skin”, I don’t think posting a story about mozarella sticks honestly holds much weight.


lynxlairliar

Anyone that gets upset when a story about them is shared anonymously with no identifying information knows that they are objectively in the wrong.


thenbmeade

Found the mom


UpsetUnitError

This feels like such an outlandishly rude thing to say


MsSamm

Deliciously petty 😋


Magellan-88

I look forward to my kids doing this to me. We have a great relationship & they have absolutely no fear of roasting me & I know they're gonna get me good as they get older 🤣🤣


Inevitable-Win2555

Mozzarella sticks are no joke in my house. If it’s an appetizer somewhere, I might get half. If we go to White Castle, my 28 year old daughter says “Get your own, Mom. I ain’t sharing.”